Yeah, I live in a state where even if I wanted to vote for Trump,I am fearful Trump will be unpredictable like former California Govrnor Schwartzenegger.I doubt Trump will do what Obama did which is acting like a pansy and paying Iran 400 million dollars.
Yeah I wish would take New York, he took every county here accept Manhattan.I doubt Trump will do what Obama did which is acting like a pansy and p Iran 400 million dollars.
Yeah, I live in a state where even if I wanted to vote for Trump,
Clinton is going to win anyways.
Matthew Munson wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-ovrnor
I am fearful Trump will be unpredictable like former California
ayingSchwartzenegger.I doubt Trump will do what Obama did which is acting like a pansy and
Iran 400 million dollars.
Yeah, I live in a state where even if I wanted to vote for Trump,
Clinton is going to win anyways.
Several `republican' turncoats will get their turn early on as well.
Boehner
and Ryan come to mind.
The Republican Party is self-destructing. It has become the party
of old ideas. A party that clings to an ideology that has long been
discredited and discarded, having a majority in the house only due
to gerrymandering and a very slim majority in the senate that it has
no hopes of retaining.
In the Clinton's case I suspect they will get strung up by their own
Secret
Service guards. The Secret Service can't be looking forward to the
Clinton TR> clan coming back to the White House.
Clinton has to win in order to stay out of jail.
Hussein will issue blanket pardons to those connected with any of her scandals, including her, as he goes out the door.
She's not going to jail. Ever.
The Republican Party is self-destructing. It has become the party
of old ideas. A party that clings to an ideology that has long been
discredited and discarded, having a majority in the house only due
to gerrymandering and a very slim majority in the senate that it has
no hopes of retaining.
Ironically, in my state, the gerrymandering that flipped it from electing mostly Democrats to mostly Republicans was done by Democrats hoping to get rid of the 1 or 2 Republican Reps that kept getting elected. The first election year after they did that, every district but maybe one went Republican, including at least one that had not done so in decades. Although
they got one of those districts back, the one or two districts back before that that were Republican have remainded so for the past 20 year since, as have the others they lost.
Local Democrats get really, really angry when you use the word gerrymander around them. Really, really angry.
Manhattan.and pI doubt Trump will do what Obama did which is acting like a pansy
Iran 400 million dollars.
Yeah, I live in a state where even if I wanted to vote for Trump,
Clinton is going to win anyways.
Yeah I wish would take New York, he took every county here accept
In fact I attended a rally in Albany, NY. It was awesome. When we were walking out it was incredible the amount of people was like what you would see at Times Square on New Years Eve.
Of course there were black protesters, they were calling us Nazi's. I shouted
back. "Women, if I was a Nazi, you would be dead by now!"
What state are you from?
The advantage Trump has is his supporters are very loyal. They
will turn out for him on election day, giving him a chance to win.
I really hope your right Lee, you hear people say I'm so afraid of Trump wondering what he will do.
I hear that people refer to him as a loudmouth.
I hear people say that he will start World War III.
To which I say liberalism is a form of brain dis-order.
Trump is right about the democratic policies is large urban cities, what have these policies done but fail these urban populations, with their schools, roads, economic development. He is very accurate in his comments about that subject.
I want my President to have a voice and even raise it for good of ournation
and its people.
I can guarantee you that the Iranians would not be holding guns to our service members heads, and The U.S.A. would not be providing 400 millionto
the Iranians for anything.
Clinton's entire campaign has been "anti-Trump"
yeah it has.
Lee Lofaso wrote to Tim Richardson <=-
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@MSGID: <57F406A0.49174.dove-deb@vert.synchro.net>
Hello Tim,
Several `republican' turncoats will get their turn early on as well.
Boehner
and Ryan come to mind.
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Hiya DM
Lee Lofaso wrote to Tim Richardson <=-
@VIA: VERT/SPACESST
Who is SPACESST?
They seem to be crossing Fido's Debate to here.
Digital Man wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-
Re: Re: Starting things off.
By: Bill McGarrity to Digital Man on Wed Oct 05 2016 05:04 pm
Hiya DM
Lee Lofaso wrote to Tim Richardson <=-
@VIA: VERT/SPACESST
Who is SPACESST?
Luc Mccarragher (according to my userbase)
They seem to be crossing Fido's Debate to here.
Huh. I haven't noticed any Fido debate messages in this conference.
Digital Man wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-
Re: Re: Starting things off.
By: Bill McGarrity to Digital Man on Wed Oct 05 2016 05:04 pm
Hiya DM
Lee Lofaso wrote to Tim Richardson <=-
@VIA: VERT/SPACESST
Who is SPACESST?
Luc Mccarragher (according to my userbase)
They seem to be crossing Fido's Debate to here.
Huh. I haven't noticed any Fido debate messages in this conference.
Really??? This is what I am getting on my end and it sure looks like it's originatting from SPACESST.
Digital Man wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-
Re: Re: Starting things off.
By: Bill McGarrity to Digital Man on Thu Oct 06 2016 06:30 pm
Digital Man wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-
Re: Re: Starting things off.
By: Bill McGarrity to Digital Man on Wed Oct 05 2016 05:04 pm
Hiya DM
Lee Lofaso wrote to Tim Richardson <=-
@VIA: VERT/SPACESST
Who is SPACESST?
Luc Mccarragher (according to my userbase)
They seem to be crossing Fido's Debate to here.
Huh. I haven't noticed any Fido debate messages in this conference.
Really??? This is what I am getting on my end and it sure looks like it's originatting from SPACESST.
I see that *one* message now that I've looked for it, yes. I sent an
email to the sysop. If it doesn't get fixed, I'll remove the posting access from his QWKnet node.
The advantage Trump has is his supporters are very loyal. They
will turn out for him on election day, giving him a chance to win.
Clinton has a bigger base, but her supporters are not nearly as
committed or loyal. She will have problems with voter turnout on
election day, especially among African Americans. She is overly
cautious, afraid to take risks, less than forthcoming in regards
to telling the truth, and has other character flaws.
Clinton's entire campaign has been "anti-Trump" without ever
giving people a reason as to why they should vote for her.
That is why this race has remained close, and could even doom
Who is SPACESST?
Luc Mccarragher (according to my userbase)
They seem to be crossing Fido's Debate to here.
Huh. I haven't noticed any Fido debate messages in this conference.
Really??? This is what I am getting on my end and it sure looks like it's originatting from SPACESST.
I see that *one* message now that I've looked for it, yes. I sent an email to the sysop. If it doesn't get fixed, I'll remove the posting access from his QWKnet node.
conference.They seem to be crossing Fido's Debate to here.
Huh. I haven't noticed any Fido debate messages in this
like
Really??? This is what I am getting on my end and it sure looks
it's originatting from SPACESST.
I see that *one* message now that I've looked for it, yes. I sent
an email to the sysop. If it doesn't get fixed, I'll remove the
posting access from his QWKnet node.
that's all i see too. not that bad considering that people(wolfe) have dupped up fidonet and dovenet multiple times when 'testing'
It used to be a real problem for new sysops before the "DOVE-" prefix was added to areas by default in Synchronet. It wasn't just DEBATE either, but that was the one I remember running into years and years ago :)
What state are you from?California
Hello Tim,The Clinton's are not coming to The White House, more like The Big House.
Several `republican' turncoats will get their turn early on as well.Boehner
and Ryan come to mind.
The Republican Party is self-destructing. It has become the party
of old ideas. A party that clings to an ideology that has long been discredited and discarded, having a majority in the house only due
to gerrymandering and a very slim majority in the senate that it has
no hopes of retaining.
In the Clinton's case I suspect they will get strung up by their ownSecret
Service guards. The Secret Service can't be looking forward to the Cl clan coming back to the White House.
Clinton has to win in order to stay out of jail. And the electoral college math is in her favor. Not due to immigration, but ratherThere have been numerous news stories about Clinton double sampling and
inner migration. States that were blue are becoming bluer. States
that were red are become redder. States that were purple are going
blue. States that were pink are going red. The migration patterns
become obvious when comparing the presidential elections of 1988
and 2012.
Can Trump win? The Blue Wall is going to be mighty tough to break through. Maybe even impossible, depending on how much teflon coating
the Clinton forces use to paint it.
House. There have been numerous news stories about Clinton double
sampling and further corruption in fixing the election, The Trump Camp
On 10/25/16, Gregory Deyss said the following...http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/10/democratic_oversampling_is_a_dirty_ trick.html
House. There have been numerous news stories about Clinton double sampling and further corruption in fixing the election, The Trump Cam
Have some links?
On 10/25/16, Richard Miles said the following...
On 10/25/16, Gregory Deyss said the following...http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/10/democratic_oversampling_is _a_dirty_ trick.html
House. There have been numerous news stories about Clintondouble
sampling and further corruption in fixing the election, TheTrump Cam
Have some links?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/24/trump_wikileaks_show s_how_cli nton_campaign_rigged_the_polls_by_over-sampling_democrats.ht
ml
Wikileaks speaks about this very issue of oversampling.
There is also a personal element to this.
Knowing what I have heard about this cheating going on with the voting machines not representing the actual votes being cast, I called down
to Troy, NY to the GOP headquarters. I asked them, "how do I validate
my vote?" Information was seemed sound, but then it happened the phone rang back it was the GOP chair that I just spoke with he had some
rather interesting news on two fronts. 1. I filled out the voter registration card for my son, so that he could vote. I did this in the middle of September, this card was received and processed correctly.
Then the GOP tells me that my son contacted them on October 4th and requested a second card but did not select any party. This information
is false he did not contact them whatsoever, he would have no reason
too, because of the card filled out in September. Fraud!! 2. They the
GOP told me that I was not registered to vote because I was
removed due to the fact that they sent out a card to me at my place of residence not my mailing address, they got the card returned to sender
as a result I was taken off the register. So tomorrow October 27, 2016
I am going down there to Troy, New York to the GOP headquarters and
will raise HELL. I will more than likely make national news in the process.
_ _
{ Greg {
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Please make sure this Fidonet echo and your Dovenet "Debate" echo do not have the same echotag (which at the moment I believe they are), which
will cause you to post to both echos even though the same discussion may or may not be happening in both places.
@Message-ID: <58165173.49324.dove-deb@vert.synchro.net>
@WhenImported: 20161030130051-0700 c1e0
@WhenExported: 20161030135205-0700 c1e0
@ExportedFrom: VERT dove-deb 49324
Please make sure this Fidonet echo and your Dovenet "Debate" echo
do not have the same echotag (which at the moment I believe they
are), which will cause you to post to both echos even though the
same discussion may or may not be happening in both places.
Not even remotely possible....
As I do not subscribe to the network of Dovenet.
_ _
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Please make sure this Fidonet echo and your Dovenet "Debate" echo do not have the same echotag (which at the moment I believe they are), which will cause you to post to both echos even though the same discussion may or may not be happening in both places.
Not even remotely possible....
As I do not subscribe to the network of Dovenet.
_ _
{ Greg {
Please make sure this Fidonet echo and your Dovenet "Debate" echo do not have the same echotag (which at the moment I believe they are), which will cause you to post to both echos even though the same discussion may or may not be happening in both places.
Please make sure this Fidonet echo and your Dovenet "Debate" echo do not have the same echotag (which at the moment I believe they are), which
will cause you to post to both echos even though the same discussion may
or may not be happening in both places.
Not even remotely possible....
As I do not subscribe to the network of Dovenet.
@MSGID: <5811BFC4.73.fidonet_debate@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
@REPLY: <58102BBA.72.fidonet_debate@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
@TZ: 40f0
On 10/25/16, Richard Miles said the following...
On 10/25/16, Gregory Deyss said the following...
House. There have been numerous news stories about Clinton double sampling and further corruption in fixing the election, The TrumpCam RM>
Have some links?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/10/democratic_oversampling_is_a_d GD>rty_ trick.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/24/trump_wikileaks_shows_ho GD>_cli nton_campaign_rigged_the_polls_by_over-sampling_democrats.html
Wikileaks speaks about this very issue of oversampling.
There is also a personal element to this.
Knowing what I have heard about this cheating going on with the voting GD>machines not representing the actual votes being cast, I called down to GD>Troy, NY to the GOP headquarters. I asked them, "how do I validate my GD>vote?" Information was seemed sound, but then it happened the phone rang GD>back it was the GOP chair that I just spoke with he had some rather GD>interesting news on two fronts. 1. I filled out the voter registration GD>card for my son, so that he could vote. I did this in the middle of GD>September, this card was received and processed correctly. Then the GOP GD>tells me that my son contacted them on October 4th and requested a second GD>card but did not select any party. This information is false he did not GD>contact them whatsoever, he would have no reason too, because of the card GD>filled out in September. Fraud!! 2. They the GOP told me that I was not GD>registered to vote because I was removed due to the fact that they sent GD>out a card to me at my place of residence not my mailing address, they got GD>the card returned to sender as a result I was taken off the register. So GD>tomorrow October 27, 2016 I am going down there to Troy, New York to the GD>GOP headquarters and will raise HELL. I will more than likely make
national news in the process. _ _
There have been numerous news stories about Clinton double sampling and GD>further corruption in fixing the election, The Trump Camp will be watching GD>like a hawk to make sure that there is no cheating going on.
I suspect if she does win, it will be looked at to make sure that she did GD>not cheat.
Hello Gregory,
On 30 Oct 16 11:29, Gregory Deyss wrote to Nicholas Boel:
@Message-ID: <58165173.49324.dove-deb@vert.synchro.net>
@WhenImported: 20161030130051-0700 c1e0
@WhenExported: 20161030135205-0700 c1e0
@ExportedFrom: VERT dove-deb 49324
Please make sure this Fidonet echo and your Dovenet "Debate" echo
do not have the same echotag (which at the moment I believe they
are), which will cause you to post to both echos even though the
same discussion may or may not be happening in both places.
Not even remotely possible....
As I do not subscribe to the network of Dovenet.
_ _
{ Greg {
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There's all the control lines I found in the message. Everything seems to point to Vertrauen so far. Apologies for thinking it was you, but this message was definitely received in the Dovenet DEBATE echo as well as on Fidonet.
Re: Re: Starting things off.
By: Accession to Gregory Deyss on Sun Oct 30 2016 05:03 pm
Hello Gregory,
On 30 Oct 16 11:29, Gregory Deyss wrote to Nicholas Boel:
@Message-ID: <58165173.49324.dove-deb@vert.synchro.net> @WhenImported: 20161030130051-0700 c1e0
@WhenExported: 20161030135205-0700 c1e0
@ExportedFrom: VERT dove-deb 49324
Please make sure this Fidonet echo and your Dovenet "Debate" echo
do not have the same echotag (which at the moment I believe they
are), which will cause you to post to both echos even though the
same discussion may or may not be happening in both places.
Not even remotely possible....
As I do not subscribe to the network of Dovenet.
_ _
{ Greg {
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There's all the control lines I found in the message. Everything seems to point to Vertrauen so far. Apologies for thinking it was you, but this message was definitely received in the Dovenet DEBATE echo as well as on Fidonet.
It was received here via QWK from a system with the QWK-ID of "MB".
@Message-ID: <5816D006.49329.dove-deb@vert.synchro.net>
@WhenImported: 20161030220054-0700 c1e0
@WhenExported: 20161030225455-0700 c1e0
@ExportedFrom: VERT dove-deb 49329
On 10-30-16, Gregory Deyss said to Nicholas Boel:
Please make sure this Fidonet echo and your Dovenet "Debate" echo
do not have the same echotag (which at the moment I believe they
are), which will cause you to post to both echos even though the
same discussion may or may not be happening in both places.
Not even remotely possible....
As I do not subscribe to the network of Dovenet.
I just thumbed back through the `Dovenet' list, saw the `dovenet
`Debate' echo, and you're there plain as day!
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@h@bRe@n@b: @h@cRe: Starting things off.
@bBy@n@b: @h@cDigital Man @bto @cAccession @bon @cMon Oct 31 2016
01:36 am@n
@H@BRe@N@B: @H@CRe: Starting things off.
@BBy@N@B: @H@CAccession @Bto @CGregory Deyss @Bon @CSun Oct 30
2016 05:03 pm
Hello Gregory,"Debate" echo
On 30 Oct 16 11:29, Gregory Deyss wrote to Nicholas Boel:
@Message-ID: <58165173.49324.dove-deb@vert.synchro.net>
@WhenImported: 20161030130051-0700 c1e0
@WhenExported: 20161030135205-0700 c1e0
@ExportedFrom: VERT dove-deb 49324
Please make sure this Fidonet echo and your Dovenet
believe theydo not have the same echotag (which at the moment I
though theare), which will cause you to post to both echos even
places.same discussion may or may not be happening in both
seems toNot even remotely possible....
As I do not subscribe to the network of Dovenet.
_ _
{ Greg {
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There's all the control lines I found in the message. Everything
point to Vertrauen so far. Apologies for thinking it was you,but this
message was definitely received in the Dovenet DEBATE echo aswell as on
Fidonet.
It was received here via QWK from a system with the QWK-ID of "MB".
A mystic sysop:
Alias : MB
Real Name : Phillip Taylor
Location : Virginia
It was received here via QWK from a system with the QWK-ID of "MB".
A mystic sysop:
Alias : MB
Real Name : Phillip Taylor
Location : Virginia
Thanks for bringing that to light. I didn't see any information on that from the headers I received here. All the headers said was that it was exported from VERT.
Re: Re: Starting things off.
By: Accession to Digital Man on Mon Oct 31 2016 07:50 am
It was received here via QWK from a system with the QWK-ID of "MB".
A mystic sysop:
Alias : MB
Real Name : Phillip Taylor
Location : Virginia
Thanks for bringing that to light. I didn't see any information on that from the headers I received here. All the headers said was that it was exported from VERT.
When you say "here", do you mean a Synchronet BBS? If so, it should say "VERT/MB" as the "from net addr" in the header.
"MB".It was received here via QWK from a system with the QWK-ID of
A mystic sysop:
Alias : MB
Real Name : Phillip Taylor
Location : Virginia
Thanks for bringing that to light. I didn't see any information on
that from the headers I received here. All the headers said was
that it was exported from VERT.
When you say "here", do you mean a Synchronet BBS? If so, it should
say "VERT/MB" as the "from net addr" in the header.
When you say "here", do you mean a Synchronet BBS? If so, it should
say "VERT/MB" as the "from net addr" in the header.
Or SenderNetAddr, depending on how you view the header. e.g.
SenderNetAddr PHARCYDE
Hello Digital,
On 31 Oct 16 12:49, Digital Man wrote to Accession:
When you say "here", do you mean a Synchronet BBS? If so, it should
say "VERT/MB" as the "from net addr" in the header.
Or SenderNetAddr, depending on how you view the header. e.g. SenderNetAddr PHARCYDE
If you go back a few messages when I originally replied to the sender of the message.. I quoted all the control lines that was displayed to me. SMB must contain some extra ones?
@VIA: VERT
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@REPLY: <58173DD5.14500.dove-deb@pharcyde.org>
@TZ: fed4
Hello Tim,
On 30 Oct 16 18:37, Tim Richardson wrote to GREGORY DEYSS:
@Message-ID: <5816D006.49329.dove-deb@vert.synchro.net>
@WhenImported: 20161030220054-0700 c1e0
@WhenExported: 20161030225455-0700 c1e0
@ExportedFrom: VERT dove-deb 49329
On 10-30-16, Gregory Deyss said to Nicholas Boel:
Please make sure this Fidonet echo and your Dovenet "Debate" echo
do not have the same echotag (which at the moment I believe they
are), which will cause you to post to both echos even though the
same discussion may or may not be happening in both places.
Not even remotely possible....
As I do not subscribe to the network of Dovenet.
I just thumbed back through the `Dovenet' list, saw the `dovenet
`Debate' echo, and you're there plain as day!
@MSGID: <58192DE3.79.fidonet_debate@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
@TZ: 40f0
On 10/30/16, Tim Richardson said the following...
Here's another one that is dup'ed in the Dovenet `Debate' echo.
Someone must be downloading it with the wrong qwk name in dovenet that is RM>also here. The file name here that I pick up from Vertrauen is DOVE-DEB RM>whereas the echo tag for this one is DEBATE.
t TR> GD>area somehow making their way into the dovenet debate,There has to be another explaination here of messages written here in
Probably.
I would imagine someone has something configured incorrectly,something TR> GD>along those lines or closely related to that,
I agree. Probably one of those clowns in zone one screwing up again!
Hey! I am in zone 1. :)
Ya know....it could have been that Phillip Taylor's system! I suspected
him right from the first!
I have been already told it was Phillip's system.
No worries, I am glad that the problem was found, and hopefully will be GD>resolved soon. I know it couldn't of been my system, as I do subscribe to GD>dovenet, so there was another explanation.
NOTE: mr tim is a southern way of showing respect to others... it is in no ml>way a derrogatory thing...
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@TZ: 412c
Hello Bill,
On 04 Nov 16 08:11, Bill McGarrity wrote to mark lewis:
It's been resolved. It's Phillip Taylor's system that is causing
the issue.
can you provide details as to the discovery and resolution?
Rob discovered where the cross networking was occuring and I think he dropped Philips system from Dovenet till he took acre of the problem.
If you look over on Dovenet his system ID was "DM".
That paired with the fact that it was Phil Taylor's system, that was NB>probably the only option (dropping his system until it is resolved). Phil NB>most likely did it completely unknowingly and had absolutely no idea it NB>was happening. Then trying to contact him and get it fixed is probably a NB>pretty difficult process. :)
dropped Philips system from Dovenet till he took acre of the problem.
If you look over on Dovenet his system ID was "DM".
That paired with the fact that it was Phil Taylor's system, that was NB>probably the only option (dropping his system until it is resolved).Phil NB>most likely did it completely unknowingly and had absolutely no
Tim Richardson wrote to NICHOLAS BOEL <=-
@VIA: VERT/SPACESST <---------------------------------
@MSGID: <581F5BCA.49360.dove-deb@vert.synchro.net>
On 11-04-16, Nicholas Boel said to Bill McGarrity:
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@REPLY: <581C9564.89.fidonet_debate@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
@TZ: 412c
Hello Bill,
On 04 Nov 16 08:11, Bill McGarrity wrote to mark lewis:
It's been resolved. It's Phillip Taylor's system that is causing
the issue.
can you provide details as to the discovery and resolution?
Rob discovered where the cross networking was occuring and I think he dropped Philips system from Dovenet till he took acre of the problem.
If you look over on Dovenet his system ID was "DM".
That paired with the fact that it was Phil Taylor's system, that was
probably the only option (dropping his system until it is resolved). Phil
most likely did it completely unknowingly and had absolutely no idea it
was happening. Then trying to contact him and get it fixed is probably a
pretty difficult process. :)
Wait a minute...I gotta shell out and check something.........
Ok. Bill must have nailed it. This is the first time in a long time DOVENET doesn't show up in my `AREAS' list.
How it ever got into Fido in the first place is weird. Somebody got something crossed up. I was getting a whole list of DOVENET echoes for
the longest time.
I thought it was something new in Fido since I was a Fidonet regular
(as you know I've been sporadically disconnected), and paid no
attention to it till it came up as a `topic'.
`If at first you don't succeed....try pluggin' it in!'
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