• Greatest Rock Band EVER?!

    From tbirdsradio@VERT to Nightfox on Sat Sep 5 08:47:46 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to Hustler on Thu Sep 03 2015 02:28 pm

    I know this thread was started a while ago, but I figured I'd put my two cents in.. I don't think there is one greatest rock band ever, but I have

    Agreed. I just love music, period. 60's, 70's & 80's are my favs. I was born in the 60's so i was always listening to AM radio. The formats were fairly free form meaning it was acceptable to hear rock, pop, R&B, folk and dance songs together, one right after another. So many great bands/musicians/songs.

    It's a great topic and deep too! So many variables that make bands/musicians great. I liked the fact that you brought up the Doobie Bros. My Dad turned me on to them back in the 70's. I can still see him singing & playing "Long Train Runnin'", on his black Gibson. One of the many great memories of my Dad.

    Anyway...great thread.
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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Tim Wray on Sat Sep 5 08:51:39 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Tim Wray to Nightfox on Fri Sep 04 2015 09:47 am

    Just found "Love over Gold" on CD at a thirft store the other day for only $2.

    What a bargain! My absolute fav Dire Straits album. The memories that thing conjurs up...
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  • From Nightfox@VERT to tbirdsradio on Sat Sep 5 08:06:16 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: tbirdsradio to Nightfox on Sat Sep 05 2015 08:47:46

    It's a great topic and deep too! So many variables that make bands/musicians great. I liked the fact that you brought up the Doobie Bros. My Dad turned me on to them back in the 70's. I can still see him singing & playing "Long Train Runnin'", on his black Gibson. One of the many great memories of my Dad.

    That's one of my favorite Doobies songs. And funny thing about The Doobie Brothers too, it seems that not many people my age know of them - I've mentioned The Doobie Brothers a couple of times to some people and they laughed at their name.

    Nightfox

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  • From Hustler@VERT to tbirdsradio on Sat Sep 5 16:48:17 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: tbirdsradio to Nightfox on Wed Dec 31 1969 23:59:59

    It's a great topic and deep too! So many variables that make bands/musicians great. I liked the fact that you brought up the Doobie Bros. My Dad turned m on to them back in the 70's. I can still see him singing & playing "Long Tra Runnin'", on his black Gibson. One of the many great memories of my Dad.

    Anyway...great thread.
    Best Wishes

    THE DOOBIES! Definetly on my Greatest List. I agree there are many great bands but who gets the title of greatest? If you could only see one band, who would you like to see? Regardless of the year. Ok...Maybe that's a tough one. How about a top 5 list? Led Zeplin is my top pick with..

    2 Grand Funk Railroad
    3 The Allman Bros.
    4 Boston
    5 Black Sabath

    HusTler

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT to tbirdsradio on Sat Sep 5 18:00:02 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: tbirdsradio to Nightfox on Sat Sep 05 2015 08:47 am

    It's a great topic and deep too! So many variables that make bands/musicians great. I liked the fact that you brought up the Doobie Bros. My Dad turned me on to them back in the 70's. I can still see him singing & playing "Long Train Runnin'", on his black Gibson. One of the many great memories of my Dad.

    I saw both the Doobies and Michael McDonald seperately at the Mountain Winery in Saratoga, CA. It's a beautiful outdoor amphitheater in a winery setting, and both bands put on amazing shows.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT to tbirdsradio on Sat Sep 5 18:01:16 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: tbirdsradio to Tim Wray on Sat Sep 05 2015 08:51 am

    Just found "Love over Gold" on CD at a thirft store the other day
    for only $2.


    I used to love thrifting cassettes, unfortunately my new car doesn't have a cassette player. You'd find a ton of 80's stuff and usually get a markdown (a box of cassettes at $.50 a piece? How about you give me $7.50 for the lot...)

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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Nightfox on Sun Sep 6 08:43:33 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to tbirdsradio on Sat Sep 05 2015 08:06 am

    bands/musicians great. I liked the fact that you brought up the
    Doobie Bros. My Dad turned me on to them back in the 70's. I can
    still see him singing & playing "Long Train Runnin'", on his black

    That's one of my favorite Doobies songs. And funny thing about The Doobie Brothers too, it seems that not many people my age know of them - I've mentioned The Doobie Brothers a couple of times to some people and they laughed at their name.

    You know i was lucky to catch the giving a concert on tv maybe 2-3 months ago. Sorry i can't remember the channel or place but they just keep getting better, Nightfox! I was so blown away by the level of musicianship. You know how sometimes it can be a letdown seeing some of your favorite bands perform years later but not these guys. Line-up changes be damned! :) They were so so good. If i catch it again i'll be able to tell you channel, place, etc. Most likely on DVD someplace.

    Speaking of bands that still have it after all these years; just the other night i caught a show on the tube of REO & CHICAGO performing at Red Rock.
    OMG! Just fantastic. Don't have the words. Speaking of laughing, folks will prolly give me a hard time for saying it was a spiritual experience listening. They split time on stage and even combined their talents for the audience by performing each others music together. Again, the vocals and musicianship are top-shelf. These bands appear to be having the time of their lives and they just keep getting better. I'm not sure but i'd guess it'also available on DVD.

    -Best

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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Hustler on Sun Sep 6 09:12:54 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Hustler to tbirdsradio on Sat Sep 05 2015 04:48 pm

    bands/musicians great. I liked the fact that you brought up the Doobie
    Bros. My Dad turned m on to them back in the 70's. I can still see him

    THE DOOBIES! Definetly on my Greatest List. I agree there are many great bands but who gets the title of greatest? If you could only see one band, who would you like to see? Regardless of the year. Ok...Maybe that's a tough one. How about a top 5 list? Led Zeplin is my top pick with..

    OMG, Hustler!, there's just no way i could pick one. Your list is awesome, btw. My buddy and i had tickets in 83 to catch a ZZTOP/Grand Funk Railroad concert. Sadly, GFR was a no show. Never found out why but ZZ Top made up for it! My amigo was so angry GFR didn't show but slowly forgot about it as things progressed. Must have been something in the air. ;) Watching Billy, Dusty, and Frank jam on stage with the incredible flashing light show was simply awesome!

    No mistake, that's one tough question. Just couldn't commit to 5 right now. I know you said "band" but certainly "Hendrix" comes to mind as well as the "Grateful Dead".
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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Poindexter Fortran on Sun Sep 6 09:20:01 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Poindexter Fortran to tbirdsradio on Sat Sep 05 2015 06:00 pm

    Doobie Bros. My Dad turned me on to them back in the 70's. I can

    I saw both the Doobies and Michael McDonald seperately at the Mountain Winery in Saratoga, CA. It's a beautiful outdoor amphitheater in a winery setting, and both bands put on amazing shows.

    Sounds terrific! Michael McDonald's signature sound is undeniable. "Takin'
    It to the Streets", perhaps my favorite McDonald/Doobies song. Then again, pickin' just one seems a travesty! ;)

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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Poindexter Fortran on Sun Sep 6 09:22:35 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Poindexter Fortran to tbirdsradio on Sat Sep 05 2015 06:01 pm

    markdown (a box of cassettes at $.50 a piece? How about you give me $7.50 for the lot...)

    Haha. Love it! I looked for some blanks the other day at Target but came up empty.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT to tbirdsradio on Sun Sep 6 09:07:33 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: tbirdsradio to Nightfox on Sun Sep 06 2015 08:43:33

    That's one of my favorite Doobies songs. And funny thing about The
    Doobie Brothers too, it seems that not many people my age know of
    them - I've mentioned The Doobie Brothers a couple of times to some
    people and they laughed at their name.

    You know i was lucky to catch the giving a concert on tv maybe 2-3 months ago. Sorry i can't remember the channel or place but they just keep getting better, Nightfox! I was so blown away by the level of musicianship. You know how sometimes it can be a letdown seeing some of your favorite bands perform years later but not these guys. Line-up changes be damned! :) They were so so good. If i catch it again i'll be able to tell you channel, place, etc. Most likely on DVD someplace.

    Cool to know they're still going strong. It would be good to catch that.
    My town used to have an annual festival with live music, food vendors, etc., and about 13 years ago, I saw The Doobie Brothers play live there. That was pretty cool, particularly for being able to see them live for the cost of the $15 event admission. :)

    Speaking of bands that still have it after all these years; just the other night i caught a show on the tube of REO & CHICAGO performing at Red Rock. OMG! Just fantastic. Don't have the words. Speaking of laughing, folks will prolly give me a hard time for saying it was a spiritual experience listening. They split time on stage and even combined their talents for the audience by performing each others music together. Again, the vocals and musicianship are top-shelf. These bands appear to be having the time of their lives and they just keep getting better. I'm not sure but i'd guess it'also available on DVD.

    I enjoy seeing bands play each others' music together. And it's gret to see musicians who still really enjoy playing music and performing after all their years doing it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT to tbirdsradio on Sun Sep 6 10:50:40 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: tbirdsradio to Poindexter Fortran on Sun Sep 06 2015 09:22 am

    Haha. Love it! I looked for some blanks the other day at Target but came up empty.

    The last american company making cassette tapes gave up last year - there was an article on NPR.

    I suppose eBay still has them. Lots of crappy normal biad tapes, but CrO2 tapes like SA-90s are expensive!

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  • From HusTler@VERT to tbirdsradio on Mon Sep 7 10:52:47 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: tbirdsradio to Hustler on Sun Sep 06 2015 09:12 am

    OMG, Hustler!, there's just no way i could pick one. Your list is awesome, btw. My buddy and i had tickets in 83 to catch a ZZTOP/Grand Funk Railroad concert. Sadly, GFR was a no show. Never found out why but ZZ Top made up for it! My amigo was so angry GFR didn't show but slowly forgot about it as things progressed. Must have been something in the air. ;) Watching

    Glad to see a fellow fan of Grand Funk. The 3 originals really Rocked. Not many people know they sold out Shea Stadium. Tunes like Inside Looking Out and Heartbreaker sound awesome for a 3 man band. I wasn't impressed when they went commercial with American Band. Mark Farners story about how they went broke is also a tough one. They really did play because they loved to. Oooof. Gime Shelter just came on..L8ta

    HusTler

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  • From Gumbro@VERT to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Sep 8 05:37:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Poindexter Fortran to tbirdsradio on Sun Sep 06 2015 11:50:00


    The last american company making cassette tapes gave up last year - there wa an article on NPR.


    You should be able to get blank tapes from National Audio Company (NAC). There's another manufacturer in the UK, and few others.

    For music on tape, check out Burger Records. There has been a bit of a revival of C-cassettes recently, especially as band merchandise. It was mentioned that people buy cassettes to support a band, even if they have no means to play the cassettes themselves!

    There's something about it.


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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Sep 9 07:33:32 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Poindexter Fortran to tbirdsradio on Sun Sep 06 2015 10:50 am

    Haha. Love it! I looked for some blanks the other day at Target but cam up empty.

    The last american company making cassette tapes gave up last year - there wa an article on NPR.

    Supply and demand. Still, for me it seems strange not being able to buy a pack of blanks at the local store. :(

    I suppose eBay still has them. Lots of crappy normal biad tapes, but CrO2 ta like SA-90s are expensive!

    Gonna have to get a box or two and store.
    Going, going, gone. -Bob Dylan

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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to HusTler on Wed Sep 9 07:41:08 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: HusTler to tbirdsradio on Mon Sep 07 2015 10:52 am

    Glad to see a fellow fan of Grand Funk. The 3 originals really Rocked. Not m

    Likewise, Hustler. "Shinin' on", always gets me fired up! The drums, organ and bass groove are so super bad-ass! Big Deep Purple fan here too. ;)
    -Best

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  • From Mro@VERT to tbirdsradio on Wed Sep 9 19:48:47 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: tbirdsradio to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Sep 09 2015 07:33 am

    Supply and demand. Still, for me it seems strange not being able to buy a pack of blanks at the local store. :(


    I dont think i've used a cassette tape since 1987

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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Mro on Thu Sep 10 10:04:10 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mro to tbirdsradio on Wed Sep 09 2015 07:48 pm

    I dont think i've used a cassette tape since 1987

    Oh man i still pop my old ones in from time to time. Companies like Crosley still incorporate the decks on new models. Love their vintage looking stuff!

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  • From Nightfox@VERT to Mro on Thu Sep 10 12:35:55 2015
    I dont think i've used a cassette tape since 1987

    Did you never record songs from the radio, or make your own mix tapes or
    other audio recordings? I think cassette tapes were still the most
    convenient way to record audio into the mid-late 90s, perhaps until digital recording on PCs got better and storage got cheaper.

    I think the last time I really used a cassette tape was maybe 1992 or 1993. More recently, though (just several ago) I pulled out a few of my cassette tapes because I had some recordings that I wanted to record on my PC in a digital format.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Sep 10 16:10:27 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Thu Sep 10 2015 12:35 pm

    I dont think i've used a cassette tape since 1987

    Did you never record songs from the radio, or make your own mix tapes or other audio recordings? I think cassette tapes were still the most convenient way to record audio into the mid-late 90s, perhaps until digital recording on PCs got better and storage got cheaper.

    yeah i did that pre 87. then cds became popular and they said the prices were going to drop after the cost of manufacturing decreased but it never happened.

    most music tapes cost 8-10 bucks.

    for sound, nothing beats records.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT to Mro on Thu Sep 10 19:47:28 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Thu Sep 10 2015 16:10:27

    for sound, nothing beats records.

    The debate over sound quality of records has been beaten to death.. I personally don't like the pops, crackles, and hissing you get from records. Digital media, such as CD, SACD, and such doesn't have any of that and lasts a lot longer. I've heard some people say that CDs don't sound as warm as records, but my understanding is that (at least theoretically), according to the NyQuist theorem, if the sampling rate is at least double the highest frequency in the audio, a digital recording should be able to faithfully reproduce the same sound that was recorded. So theoretically, a digital recording should be able to capture the same quality of audio that a record has.

    Even so, I had given some thought to possibly buying one of these laser turntables, which plays records using a laser instead of a needle so that the record doesn't get worn out with physical contact:
    http://elpj.com/
    I also imagine that it probably wouldn't have the pops & crackles you typically get with a needle, at least with brand-new records. However, those laser record players are a bit too expensive for me to want to buy one now.

    Nightfox

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  • From HusTler@VERT to tbirdsradio on Fri Sep 11 12:34:26 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: tbirdsradio to HusTler on Wed Sep 09 2015 07:41 am

    Glad to see a fellow fan of Grand Funk. The 3 originals really Rocked.
    Not m

    Likewise, Hustler. "Shinin' on", always gets me fired up! The drums, organ and bass groove are so super bad-ass! Big Deep Purple fan here too. ;) -Best

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    Inside Looking Out is my favorite. I loved the "drug oriented" rock and roll back then. Nothing better than a Black Light with posters and Black Sabbath banging out Iron Man.. DOH!

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  • From Mro@VERT to Nightfox on Sat Sep 12 03:17:24 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Thu Sep 10 2015 07:47 pm

    for sound, nothing beats records.

    The debate over sound quality of records has been beaten to death.. I personally don't like the pops, crackles, and hissing you get from records.

    my records never poped crackled and my record player didnt hiss.
    maybe you guys should treat your records and record player better!

    lasts a lot longer. I've heard some people say that CDs don't sound as
    warm as records, but my understanding is that (at least theoretically),

    that is very correct. i have my mom's janis joplin album and it plays fucking awesome. so much better than cd quality.
    you can just FEEL how much better it is.

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  • From Mike S@VERT to HusTler on Sat Sep 12 03:46:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: HusTler to tbirdsradio on Mon Sep 07 2015 10:52 am

    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: tbirdsradio to Hustler on Sun Sep 06 2015 09:12 am

    OMG, Hustler!, there's just no way i could pick one. Your list is aweso btw. My buddy and i had tickets in 83 to catch a ZZTOP/Grand Funk Railr concert. Sadly, GFR was a no show. Never found out why but ZZ Top made for it! My amigo was so angry GFR didn't show but slowly forgot about i as things progressed. Must have been something in the air. ;) Watching

    Glad to see a fellow fan of Grand Funk. The 3 originals really Rocked. Not m people know they sold out Shea Stadium. Tunes like Inside Looking Out and Heartbreaker sound awesome for a 3 man band. I wasn't impressed when they we commercial with American Band. Mark Farners story about how they went broke also a tough one. They really did play because they loved to. Oooof. Gime Shelter just came on..L8ta

    HusTler

    I saw ZZ Top at Madison Square Garden in 1980! That was a wild concert. I
    went there with a friend, and a girl I was messing around with. After the concert we walked back to my apartment in chelsea (23rd Street & 7th Ave) for
    a bit before I drove them home (to different homes). My all time favorite
    band would have to be Jethro Tull. While many band members have changed over the years the lead singer and guitar player have been with the band since the 1960's, which is a fairly long time! I've been to many Tull concerts, even
    one in 1978 that ened up being recorded for a live album! I don't know if there's such a thing as a 'natural high' but I'm starting to believe there
    is, as I quit drugs & alcohol in 1986 and I've been to many Tull concerts
    since then, yet I can never remember anything about them afterwards!

    -MikeS

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  • From Nightfox@VERT to Mro on Sat Sep 12 11:29:45 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Sep 12 2015 03:17:24

    The debate over sound quality of records has been beaten to death.. I
    personally don't like the pops, crackles, and hissing you get from
    records.

    my records never poped crackled and my record player didnt hiss.
    maybe you guys should treat your records and record player better!

    I simply don't believe that your records have never exhibited any hiss or pops. No matter how well you treat records, the fact that there's a needle physically sliding across the surface of the record will create a little bit of hiss (which is the sound of the needle sliding on the record) and will create some amount of pops and crackles after being played repeatedly over time due to scraping the record. It's unavoiadable that a vinyl record will degrade over time - unless you use a player that uses a laser instead of a needle as in the link I shared in my previous message.

    Here's a video showing close-ups of record groove wear from a record being played multiple times:
    https://youtu.be/J4_GYfPZfq0

    EVERY time I've ever played a record or listened to a recording of a record, I've noticed hiss and pops. Even if it's fairly minor, it bugs me a bit.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT to Nightfox on Sat Sep 12 21:21:14 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sat Sep 12 2015 11:29 am

    my records never poped crackled and my record player didnt hiss.
    maybe you guys should treat your records and record player better!

    I simply don't believe that your records have never exhibited any hiss or pops. No matter how well you treat records, the fact that there's a needle physically sliding across the surface of the record will create a little
    bit of hiss (which is the sound of the needle sliding on the record) and


    my family always kept their records in a dry cold dark place, and they kept the jackets on them. record players always had the glass or plastic covers protecting the playing surface from dust and dirt.

    i played my grandmother's records and i dont recall any annoying pops either.

    i dont recall any sound artifacts except perhaps when there was 'silence' between songs or the beginning or end of a record and that wasnt that bad.

    what i do remember is how warm the sound was from records.

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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Mike S on Sat Sep 12 19:40:02 2015
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    By: Mike S to HusTler on Sat Sep 12 2015 03:46 am

    favorite band would have to be Jethro Tull. While many band members have changed over the years the lead singer and guitar player have been with

    Love JT and Ian. Pussy Willow, Steel Monkey, and Farm on the Freeway are a few of my favs.

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  • From Hustler@VERT to Nightfox on Sun Sep 13 19:34:35 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Thu Sep 10 2015 12:35 pm

    I dont think i've used a cassette tape since 1987

    What's a cassette? ;-)

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  • From Hustler@VERT to Mike S on Sun Sep 13 19:41:04 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to HusTler on Sat Sep 12 2015 03:46 am

    I saw ZZ Top at Madison Square Garden in 1980! That was a wild concert. I went there with a friend, and a girl I was messing around with. After the concert we walked back to my apartment in chelsea (23rd Street & 7th Ave) for a bit before I drove them home (to different homes). My all time favorite band would have to be Jethro Tull. While many band members have

    -MikeS

    Tull! "Snot is running down his nose"

    You guys are showing your age you ol bastards. HA!

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  • From Mike S@VERT to Nightfox on Mon Sep 14 07:43:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sat Sep 12 2015 11:29 am

    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Sep 12 2015 03:17:24

    The debate over sound quality of records has been beaten to death.. I
    personally don't like the pops, crackles, and hissing you get from
    records.

    my records never poped crackled and my record player didnt hiss.
    maybe you guys should treat your records and record player better!

    I simply don't believe that your records have never exhibited any hiss or po No matter how well you treat records, the fact that there's a needle physica sliding across the surface of the record will create a little bit of hiss (which is the sound of the needle sliding on the record) and will create som amount of pops and crackles after being played repeatedly over time due to scraping the record. It's unavoiadable that a vinyl record will degrade ove time - unless you use a player that uses a laser instead of a needle as in t link I shared in my previous message.

    Here's a video showing close-ups of record groove wear from a record being played multiple times:
    https://youtu.be/J4_GYfPZfq0

    EVERY time I've ever played a record or listened to a recording of a record, I've noticed hiss and pops. Even if it's fairly minor, it bugs me a bit.

    Nightfox

    I knew a guy that when he would play a record he would always play it wet. He would actually take a washcloth that was wet, and run it over the entire surface of the record making sure the surface was good and wet (lots of water in the grooves) before playing the record. He swore that it eliminated pops * hiss, etc. He was into classical music, and was a real music snob (he thought rock music was just noise), but whenever I listened to records he played I couldn't hear any pops hiss, etc. so maybe he had something? Have you or
    anyone else ever heard of doing this with records?

    -MikeS

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  • From Mike S@VERT to Hustler on Mon Sep 14 07:55:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Hustler to Mike S on Sun Sep 13 2015 07:41 pm

    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to HusTler on Sat Sep 12 2015 03:46 am

    I saw ZZ Top at Madison Square Garden in 1980! That was a wild concert. went there with a friend, and a girl I was messing around with. After t concert we walked back to my apartment in chelsea (23rd Street & 7th Av for a bit before I drove them home (to different homes). My all time favorite band would have to be Jethro Tull. While many band members hav

    -MikeS

    Tull! "Snot is running down his nose"

    You guys are showing your age you ol bastards. HA!

    HusTler

    I know I'm showing my age. Worse yet, I'm feeling my age! Let me give some advice to you younger folks out there, don't treat your body like it'll last forever, it won't, and the harder you treat it now, the worse it will be when you get older! They say you're only as old as you feel, so in that case, instead of being 55 (my actual age) I'm more like 95! Even my doc says I'm
    his youngest geriatric patient! I had my first heart attack at 40, since then I've had a couple more along with a couple of strokes. The worst part of it
    is the memory loss, I've installed Solaris on over 100 Sun workstations, had
    a SparcServer 2000 setup in my diningroom, used to be an Amiga developer, but now I wouldn't have the first idea how to work an Amiga, nor how to install Solaris! I barely manage to keep my iMac running properly anymore. :(

    Sorry about the long rant, but getting old & sick SUCKS.

    -MikeS

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  • From Mro@VERT to Mike S on Mon Sep 14 16:07:35 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to Nightfox on Mon Sep 14 2015 07:43 am

    eliminated pops * hiss, etc. He was into classical music, and was a real music snob (he thought rock music was just noise), but whenever I listened to records he played I couldn't hear any pops hiss, etc. so maybe he had something? Have you or anyone else ever heard of doing this with records?


    you have to keep your stuff clean. my family would wipe them with a microfiber cloth when taking them out.

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  • From Hustler@VERT to Mike S on Mon Sep 14 15:05:25 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to Hustler on Mon Sep 14 2015 07:55 am

    You guys are showing your age you ol bastards. HA!

    HusTler

    I know I'm showing my age. Worse yet, I'm feeling my age! Let me give some advice to you younger folks out there, don't treat your body like it'll last forever, it won't, and the harder you treat it now, the worse it will be whe you get older! They say you're only as old as you feel, so in that case, instead of being 55 (my actual age) I'm more like 95! Even my doc says I'm his youngest geriatric patient! I had my first heart attack at 40, since the I've had a couple more along with a couple of strokes. The worst part of it is the memory loss, I've installed Solaris on over 100 Sun workstations, had a SparcServer 2000 setup in my diningroom, used to be an Amiga developer, bu now I wouldn't have the first idea how to work an Amiga, nor how to install Solaris! I barely manage to keep my iMac running properly anymore. :(


    Sorry about the long rant, but getting old & sick SUCKS.

    -MikeS

    That's great advice Mike. You're not alone. My heart gave out on me in 2011. Before that my doc told me the same thing. "Your like a 75 year old man" I was 55 (I think). Had the whole deal done, Valve replacement, Artery bypass with pacemaker. I used to be able to do all sorts of networking etc.. Today I'm lucky to remember how to turn the damn thing on. I hate to admit it but all the drugs and alcohol caught up with me. We all have to "pay the piper" at some point. Nobody get's a "free ride". Thanks for the post Mike. Be well. Remember, it over till it's over. Right?
    Peace, I'm out

    HusTler

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  • From Mro@VERT to Hustler on Mon Sep 14 22:40:01 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Hustler to Mike S on Mon Sep 14 2015 03:05 pm

    That's great advice Mike. You're not alone. My heart gave out on me in
    2011. Before that my doc told me the same thing. "Your like a 75 year old man" I was 55 (I think). Had the whole deal done, Valve replacement, Artery bypass with pacemaker. I used to be able to do all sorts of networking
    etc.. Today I'm lucky to remember how to turn the damn thing on. I hate to admit it but all the drugs and alcohol caught up with me. We all have to "pay the piper" at some point. Nobody get's a "free ride". Thanks for the


    my hate keeps me alive.

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  • From Hustler@VERT to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Sep 17 12:56:45 2015
    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Hustler on Invalid Time

    Hustler wrote to All <=-

    I vote goes to Led Zepplin.

    Seconded.




    ... From nothing to more than nothing

    All those in favor?

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  • From metalhead@VERT to Hustler on Fri Sep 18 00:14:00 2015
    All those in favor?

    Maybe 20 years ago I would have agreed, but now, Led Zeppelin has been overplayed too much.

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  • From Hustler@VERT to Mro on Sat Sep 19 11:48:13 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mro to Hustler on Mon Sep 14 2015 10:40 pm

    my hate keeps me alive.

    Whatever floats your boat.

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  • From Hustler@VERT to metalhead on Sat Sep 19 11:58:16 2015
    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: metalhead to Hustler on Fri Sep 18 2015 12:14 am

    Maybe 20 years ago I would have agreed, but now, Led Zeppelin has been overplayed too much.


    Most great rock and roll is "overplayed". You hardly ever heard them on the radio back in the early 70's.

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  • From metalhead@VERT to Hustler on Mon Sep 21 09:43:00 2015
    Most great rock and roll is "overplayed". You hardly ever heard them on the radio back in the early 70's.

    Was that because they were too hardcore at the time? Now, it's almost impossible to hear Slayer or even Megadeth on the radio because people only want to hear the stuff their used to. But why are thy used to what their used to?

    I think the radio stations have some kind of conspiracy with the musicians
    they feature. They are TELLING us which bands we "like" for some reason. They used to tell us to like the Beatles, but now their focusing on ACDC & Rolling Stones. There is money pouring out of the singers' mouths somehow, but to me
    it sounds more like Crows & David Bowie balls.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT to metalhead on Mon Sep 21 12:43:10 2015
    Most great rock and roll is "overplayed". You hardly ever heard them on the radio back in the early 70's.

    Was that because they were too hardcore at the time? Now, it's almost impossible to hear Slayer or even Megadeth on the radio because people only want to hear the stuff their used to. But why are thy used to what their used to?

    I think the radio stations have some kind of conspiracy with the musicians they feature. They are TELLING us which bands we "like" for some reason. They used to tell us to like the Beatles, but now their focusing on ACDC & Rolling Stones. There is money pouring out of the singers' mouths somehow, but to me
    it sounds more like Crows & David Bowie balls.

    There are many people who genuinely like those bands though. I tend to like the Beatles' music, even though I was born after the group split up. I agree with you, though, that there must be some kind of deals between radio stations and music groups to decide which music to play on the radio. Sometimes I wonder why only certain songs become well-known hits - Is it because people really like the song better than the group's other songs, or is it because that's the group's song that the radio stations decided to play the most? It might be a little of both. And a musical group's hit can be a catch-22: It's popular (or rather, infamous) because it's played on the radio a lot, and radio stations play it a lot because it's popular.

    Sometimes I've bought a group's album that contained a particular hit and found that I liked many of the other songs on the album too. But other times, I've found that their well-known hit really was the only song I like on their album.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT to metalhead on Mon Sep 21 16:37:30 2015
    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: metalhead to Hustler on Mon Sep 21 2015 09:43 am


    Was that because they were too hardcore at the time? Now, it's almost impossible to hear Slayer or even Megadeth on the radio because people only want to hear the stuff their used to. But why are thy used to what their used to?


    they played them on the radio.

    i think radio just sucks giant cock. i fucking hate it. whenever i turn it on, it's the same few songs or it's some fuckheads chuckling and playing sound effects(morning shows).

    i'd rather just play some mp3s.

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  • From Hustler@VERT to metalhead on Mon Sep 21 18:10:01 2015
    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: metalhead to Hustler on Mon Sep 21 2015 09:43:00

    Most great rock and roll is "overplayed". You hardly ever heard them
    on the radio back in the early 70's.
    Was that because they were too hardcore at the time? Now, it's almost impossible to hear Slayer or even Megadeth on the radio because people only want to hear the stuff their used to. But why are thy used to what their used to?

    Yea..too hardcore for the general public back then. The 70's were all about sex and drugs and rock and roll. I can remember only gettin a few FM radio stations. Bands like Zepplin were found out in the Mens Room where all the dope was. ;-)

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  • From metalhead@VERT to Nightfox on Tue Sep 22 10:32:00 2015
    up. I agree with you, though, that there must be some kind of deals between radio stations and music groups to decide which music to play on

    I have suspected that, and also I suspect that certain songs have subliminal messages, and that these messages make people buy certain crap.

    Hell's Bells... Helluvagood Cheese? Or "Hmm, that sounds like a crow! I'm gonna buy the new Black Crows CD!" Or depressing sounding songs like "Wild Horses" possibly makes people feel sad, so they buy flowers for someone.
    Maybe that song will be followed by a 1-800-FLOWERS commercial?

    It bothers me because I get stuck driving around a alot, and I wish it could
    be like the old days when I lived in NY and the radio stations had more variety. Especially back in the 80s, they'd play Madonna, and then play Quiet Riot, like they believed it all belonged on the same station - and it was great! Now it's ACDC, Metallica, Rolling Stones, STP, and then repeat, then puke, then repeat again.

    Does STP really have any fans? I mean, do ppl really like that crap? I doubt it!

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  • From metalhead@VERT to Mro on Tue Sep 22 10:37:00 2015
    it on, it's the same few songs or it's some fuckheads chuckling and playing sound effects(morning shows).

    I hate morning shows too! There's a DJ in Albuquerque (Swammy Rob or
    something) and he talks through his nose and it sounds like some serious boogers and hair need to be removed! And the stuff that he says is so stupid.
    I used to enjoy Howard Stern in the morning, but no other host has ever been interesting.

    So, all this hatred for the radio has lead me to listen to the classical station, the pop station, the hip hop station, and the same ol' cds over and over.

    I know that I could kick all radio DJ's asses, entertainmentwise. If I don't have anything interesting to say, I'dbe playing B sides to albums all the
    time.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT to metalhead on Tue Sep 22 09:53:39 2015
    I have suspected that, and also I suspect that certain songs have subliminal messages, and that these messages make people buy certain crap.

    Hell's Bells... Helluvagood Cheese? Or "Hmm, that sounds like a crow! I'm gonna buy the new Black Crows CD!" Or depressing sounding songs like "Wild Horses" possibly makes people feel sad, so they buy flowers for someone. Maybe that song will be followed by a 1-800-FLOWERS commercial?

    I've never thought "Wild Horses" was depressing.. I actually think it's a relaxing
    song, and it has never made me think about buying flowers for someone..

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT to metalhead on Tue Sep 22 16:25:27 2015
    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: metalhead to Nightfox on Tue Sep 22 2015 10:32 am

    and it was great! Now it's ACDC, Metallica, Rolling Stones, STP, and then repeat, then puke, then repeat again.

    Does STP really have any fans? I mean, do ppl really like that crap? I
    doubt it!


    i was thinking about STP. i think they're the van halen [but not as good] of the 90s. they arent good for shit without their original singer, and both the singer and the band members are assholes. they keep trying to find replacements that fall apart.

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  • From Mro@VERT to Nightfox on Tue Sep 22 16:26:12 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to metalhead on Tue Sep 22 2015 09:53 am


    I've never thought "Wild Horses" was depressing.. I actually think it's a relaxing
    song, and it has never made me think about buying flowers for someone..


    it's cause you have assburgers syndrome.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT to metalhead on Tue Sep 22 19:28:25 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to metalhead on Tue Sep 22 2015 09:53:39

    I've never thought "Wild Horses" was depressing.. I actually think it's a relaxing
    song, and it has never made me think about buying flowers for someone..

    I think I was thinking of a different song.. I looked it up and didn't find the song I was thinking of.

    Nightfox

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  • From metalhead@VERT to Mro on Thu Sep 24 19:08:00 2015
    i was thinking about STP. i think they're the van halen [but not as
    good] of the 90s. they arent good for shit without their original

    The only difference is that I'd pay $5 bucks to see Van Halen.

    singer, and both the singer and the band members are assholes. they
    keep trying to find replacements that fall apart.

    They need to take the signal that their careers are over!

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  • From Mike S@VERT to Mro on Tue Sep 29 03:42:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mro to Hustler on Mon Sep 14 2015 10:40 pm

    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Hustler to Mike S on Mon Sep 14 2015 03:05 pm

    That's great advice Mike. You're not alone. My heart gave out on me in 2011. Before that my doc told me the same thing. "Your like a 75 year old man" I was 55 (I think). Had the whole deal done, Valve replacement, Arte bypass with pacemaker. I used to be able to do all sorts of networking etc.. Today I'm lucky to remember how to turn the damn thing on. I hate t admit it but all the drugs and alcohol caught up with me. We all have to "pay the piper" at some point. Nobody get's a "free ride". Thanks for the


    my hate keeps me alive.


    I don't think I could deal with hate all the time, but a healthy dose of it sure helps! I believe in Teddy Roosevelt's line: talk softly (or was it walk softly?) and carry a big stick. I live in Florida, and got a license to carry
    a concealed weapon almost as soon as FL made them available years ago, so my "Big Stick" holds 11 rounds of 45ACP and fits in one of my pockets!

    It's interesting, having a handgun in my pocket has changed how I handle
    myself while out in public, but not in the way you might think. I find that having deadly force available to me has made me much calmer, I tend to look
    at situations where I might have been inclined to 'start something' in the past, and now in those situations I think "is it really worth getting into it over this?" and so far I've only had one situation where I felt threatened enough to pull out my pistol, and the confrontation ended right then without firing a single shot. I don't know if most CCW holders also feel this way or
    if it's only me and a few others that I know, but if it is the majority then the country has nothing to fear from legally licensed gun owners!

    Now how did I get from old age & computers to guns? Sorry for the topic
    drift!

    -MikeS

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  • From Mike S@VERT to Nightfox on Tue Sep 29 04:16:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to metalhead on Mon Sep 21 2015 12:43 pm

    Most great rock and roll is "overplayed". You hardly ever heard them the radio back in the early 70's.

    Was that because they were too hardcore at the time? Now, it's almost impossible to hear Slayer or even Megadeth on the radio because people on want to hear the stuff their used to. But why are thy used to what their used to?

    I think the radio stations have some kind of conspiracy with the musician they feature. They are TELLING us which bands we "like" for some reason. They used to tell us to like the Beatles, but now their focusing on ACDC Rolling Stones. There is money pouring out of the singers' mouths somehow but to me
    it sounds more like Crows & David Bowie balls.

    There are many people who genuinely like those bands though. I tend to like the Beatles' music, even though I was born after the group split up. I agre with you, though, that there must be some kind of deals between radio statio and music groups to decide which music to play on the radio. Sometimes I wonder why only certain songs become well-known hits - Is it because people really like the song better than the group's other songs, or is it because that's the group's song that the radio stations decided to play the most? I might be a little of both. And a musical group's hit can be a catch-22: It' popular (or rather, infamous) because it's played on the radio a lot, and ra stations play it a lot because it's popular.

    Sometimes I've bought a group's album that contained a particular hit and fo that I liked many of the other songs on the album too. But other times, I'v found that their well-known hit really was the only song I like on their alb

    Nightfox


    Actually in the past it was the record label that had deals with the radio stations. Or more correctly with the station's network. With some groups you can also hear a big difference in the recording quality of the songs that are going to become hits (or at least the ones the record label execs hope will
    be a hit) compared to the other songs that are basically 'filler'. It's more apparent back in the 50's & 60's and not as much these days. Janis Joplin is
    a perfect example, if you look at some of her earliest records the 1 or 2
    songs that were top 40 hits were produced much better than the rest of the albun!

    -MikeS

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  • From metalhead@VERT to Mike S on Tue Sep 29 14:34:00 2015
    as much these days. Janis Joplin is a perfect example, if you look at
    some of her earliest records the 1 or 2 songs that were top 40 hits were

    Good point, and all the other tracks sucked really bad too, in general. It's sad to say, but she actually got way more attention than she deserved.

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  • From Mro@VERT to Mike S on Tue Sep 29 15:43:02 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to Mro on Tue Sep 29 2015 03:42 am

    walk softly?) and carry a big stick. I live in Florida, and got a license
    to carry a concealed weapon almost as soon as FL made them available years ago, so my "Big Stick" holds 11 rounds of 45ACP and fits in one of my pockets!

    It's interesting, having a handgun in my pocket has changed how I handle myself while out in public, but not in the way you might think. I find that having deadly force available to me has made me much calmer, I tend to look at situations where I might have been inclined to 'start something' in the


    having a firearm on your person is a false sense of security for most people. someone can charge you from a reasonable distance before you can pull and ready your firearm.

    not only that, but having a license says you have the right to carry one, not use it anytime. you have to have a damn good reason and you can not have it in a place like a bar.

    personally i carry a telescoping baton when i am out and i have a large sum of money on my person. i have not had to use it yet. if i do use it, it's the same as any other deadly weapon. probably easier to throw and get rid of, though :D

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  • From Nightfox@VERT to Mro on Tue Sep 29 15:48:05 2015
    having a firearm on your person is a false sense of security for most people. someone can charge you from a reasonable distance before you can pull and ready your firearm.

    not only that, but having a license says you have the right to carry one, not use it anytime. you have to have a damn good reason and you can not have it in a place like a bar.

    Those two reasons are why I've often thought it would be better to learn a martial art
    rather than carry a gun. However that's easier said than done (and to be honest, I
    have not studied a martial art, although I have often considered it).

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT to Nightfox on Tue Sep 29 19:36:45 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Tue Sep 29 2015 03:48 pm

    Those two reasons are why I've often thought it would be better to learn a martial art
    rather than carry a gun. However that's easier said than done (and to be honest, I
    have not studied a martial art, although I have often considered it).

    here's another thing i learned when getting into krav maga: if you knock someone out... you are responsible for that person.

    even if they are attacking you because they are a drunk jerk, or whatever, if you protect yourself and they become unconscious:

    + a car can run over them,
    + they can have a seizure or other medical episode
    + they can have another person kick them and injure them severely
    + they can be robbed, etc...

    it's your fault because you made that person unconscious.

    it is probably best to just not get into dangerous situations period.

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  • From Mike S@VERT to Mro on Thu Oct 1 00:22:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mro to Mike S on Tue Sep 29 2015 03:43 pm

    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to Mro on Tue Sep 29 2015 03:42 am

    walk softly?) and carry a big stick. I live in Florida, and got a license to carry a concealed weapon almost as soon as FL made them available year ago, so my "Big Stick" holds 11 rounds of 45ACP and fits in one of my pockets!

    It's interesting, having a handgun in my pocket has changed how I handle myself while out in public, but not in the way you might think. I find th having deadly force available to me has made me much calmer, I tend to lo at situations where I might have been inclined to 'start something' in th


    having a firearm on your person is a false sense of security for most people someone can charge you from a reasonable distance before you can pull and re your firearm.

    not only that, but having a license says you have the right to carry one, no use it anytime. you have to have a damn good reason and you can not have it a place like a bar.

    personally i carry a telescoping baton when i am out and i have a large sum money on my person. i have not had to use it yet. if i do use it, it's the same as any other deadly weapon. probably easier to throw and get rid of, though :D


    I will agree, anyone that just gets a license and thinks that makes them 'qualified' to carry a gun probably should NOT carry one! In fact my mother also has a license, but won't carry until she learns how to properly shoot.
    If you carry a gun, and either don't know how to use it, or don't know how to use it well enough that it's use is almost second nature to you, having it
    can turn into a bad thing for you! I'm an NRA certified instructor, but I'm
    not about to teach my own mother! I haven't been carrying for a while as I've been sick, so haven't been able to get out to the range to keep in practice, and practice is everything! Well, knowing what to practice helps too :)

    -MikeS

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  • From Mike S@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Oct 1 00:30:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Tue Sep 29 2015 03:48 pm

    having a firearm on your person is a false sense of security for most people. someone can charge you from a reasonable distance before you can pull and ready your firearm.

    not only that, but having a license says you have the right to carry one, not use it anytime. you have to have a damn good reason and you can not have it in a place like a bar.

    Those two reasons are why I've often thought it would be better to learn a martial art
    rather than carry a gun. However that's easier said than done (and to be honest, I
    have not studied a martial art, although I have often considered it).

    Nightfox


    Have you ever seen the Indiana Jones movie (I forget which one the scene is
    in) where some guy comes doing all sorts of fancy moves, and Ford just pulls out his gun and shoots him? That's a classic, but it's also true. All these people that think that martial arts can take down a person with a gun should watch that clip. One time I saw a Karate class being given in a retirement condo, I could see that go over like a lead balloon, one karate chop and the old geezer breaks his arm! Even my father started wimping out as he got older and started loving mouse guns, 32's 25's and others that would really piss
    off a person if you shot them with them! I'll keep my 45's.

    -MikeS

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  • From Mike S@VERT to Mro on Thu Oct 1 00:56:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Tue Sep 29 2015 07:36 pm

    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Tue Sep 29 2015 03:48 pm

    Those two reasons are why I've often thought it would be better to learn martial art
    rather than carry a gun. However that's easier said than done (and to be honest, I
    have not studied a martial art, although I have often considered it).

    here's another thing i learned when getting into krav maga: if you knock someone out... you are responsible for that person.

    even if they are attacking you because they are a drunk jerk, or whatever, i you protect yourself and they become unconscious:

    + a car can run over them,
    + they can have a seizure or other medical episode
    + they can have another person kick them and injure them severely
    + they can be robbed, etc...

    it's your fault because you made that person unconscious.

    it is probably best to just not get into dangerous situations period.

    I LOVE your last line. There's no doubt it IS best not to get into dangerous situations. Unfortunately, we don't always have the option to aviod them.
    From about 1994 thru 1999 I was the night time dispatcher of a small taxi company, working from 5PM to 5AM. The fleet was split between primarily 3 people that owned most of the cabs, and the drivers came in and dropped off their daily lease money in an envelope, and depending on which of the 3
    owners depended on which draw in the desk the envelope went. That was it for security. As for security for the office itself, that was none existant too, there was a door, but I don't think it'd been closed in 20 years. During the day it wasn't a problem, there was a mechanic fixing cabs, and the boss, and various others always hanging around, but come around 3am, it was just me in
    an 8'x10' room with a TV (no cable) a couple of telephones, a radio to
    dispatch the calls to the cabs, and a desk full of money! Between me & the relief night dispatcher we worked out a method of hanging our guns under the desk, so we could grab them if needed without somebody coming thru the door seeing them. Luckily one of the owners went out into the yard one day and was using a utility pole as a backstop for some target shooting, so the local lowlifes more or less stayed away for the most part. But the point is, no matter what you do, you can't always stay away from danger, sometimes it just comes looking for you!

    -MikeS

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  • From metalhead@VERT to Mike S on Thu Oct 1 04:30:00 2015
    aviod them. From about 1994 thru 1999 I was the night time dispatcher of
    a small taxi company, working from 5PM to 5AM. The fleet was split

    Unrelated question: Did you ever accept bribes from drivers for business?

    Just wondering, because I have driven cab plenty, and I always felt like the suck ups were doing more than sucking up at times, and I have had some 12
    hour shifts where I made $10 for the day.

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  • From Tiny@VERT to Mike S on Thu Oct 1 10:09:22 2015
    Mike S wrote to Mro <=-

    security for the office itself, that was none existant too, there was
    a door, but I don't think it'd been closed in 20 years. During the day

    Our taxi office just got 2 new doors with locks on them! First time ever. Haven't locked them yet though, that kind of change takes time.

    Shawn


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  • From Nightfox@VERT to Mike S on Thu Oct 1 07:28:10 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to Nightfox on Thu Oct 01 2015 00:30:00

    not only that, but having a license says you have the right to carry
    one, not use it anytime. you have to have a damn good reason and
    you can not have it in a place like a bar.

    Those two reasons are why I've often thought it would be better to
    learn a martial art
    rather than carry a gun. However that's easier said than done (and to
    be honest, I
    have not studied a martial art, although I have often considered it).

    Nightfox


    Have you ever seen the Indiana Jones movie (I forget which one the scene is in) where some guy comes doing all sorts of fancy moves, and Ford just pulls out his gun and shoots him? That's a classic, but it's also true. All these people that think that martial arts can take down a person with a gun should watch that clip.

    Yeah, I've seen that. Great scene.
    I was thinking more of situations where someone might physically attack you up close, rather than someone attacking you with a gun. Also, as it has been stated, there are laws about carrying guns and using them in public.
    I've often thought that shooting someone seems a little excessive for things, even if someone is breaking into your house.. My natural inclination would be to try to just give them a good scare so they'd stop and go away, or at least restrain them until police etc. arrive. If someone tries to get in a fight with you, pick your pocket, or even break into your home, does that really mean they deserve to be shot?

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  • From spacesst@VERT to Mike S on Thu Oct 1 10:43:24 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to Mro on Thu Oct 01 2015 00:22:00

    I will agree, anyone that just gets a license and thinks that makes them 'qualified' to carry a gun probably should NOT carry one! In fact my mother also has a license, but won't carry until she learns how to properly shoot. If you carry a gun, and either don't know how to use it, or don't know how to use it well enough that it's use is almost second nature to you, having it can turn into a bad thing for you! I'm an NRA certified instructor, but I'm not about to teach my own mother! I haven't been carrying for a while as I've been sick, so haven't been able to get out to the range to keep in practice, and practice is everything! Well, knowing what to practice helps too :)

    Why it's soo important to have gun ?
    does it's soo dangerous or city does nothing to catch bad guy
    Guns is not to make Garden , its to kill !
    Why "label" Bad guys , are so agresive , They want to survive !
    Why this violence Each others


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  • From Mro@VERT to Mike S on Thu Oct 1 19:24:42 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to Mro on Thu Oct 01 2015 12:22 am

    it can turn into a bad thing for you! I'm an NRA certified instructor, but I'm not about to teach my own mother! I haven't been carrying for a while
    as I've been sick, so haven't been able to get out to the range to keep in practice, and practice is everything! Well, knowing what to practice helps too :)


    also it has a lot to do with personality type. there's people that freeze up, and there's people that ride out the stress and perform through it.

    if someone that freezes up confronts another with a gun, that criminal just might end up getting a better gun or an extra one atleast.

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  • From Mro@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Oct 1 19:27:21 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to Mike S on Thu Oct 01 2015 07:28 am

    inclination would be to try to just give them a good scare so they'd stop and go away, or at least restrain them until police etc. arrive. If
    someone tries to get in a fight with you, pick your pocket, or even break into your home, does that really mean they deserve to be shot?


    well i'm not a nice person. so that answer is yes.

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  • From Mro@VERT to spacesst on Thu Oct 1 19:29:55 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: spacesst to Mike S on Thu Oct 01 2015 10:43 am

    Why it's soo important to have gun ?


    in the united states it's a right our forefathers wanted us to have.
    to protect us from our own government.

    does it's soo dangerous or city does nothing to catch bad guy

    they cant really catch someone unless the criminal is still on site
    waving at them.

    Guns is not to make Garden , its to kill !

    you can make a garden out of bullets if you have enough.

    Why "label" Bad guys , are so agresive , They want to survive !
    Why this violence Each others

    they want to hurt others. i survive by working for a living

    Can i come to your
    house and rape your wife infront of you and take all your money and kick your dog? if you are saying i just want to survive by doing that, then you have something wrong with you.

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  • From Mike S@VERT to Nightfox on Fri Oct 2 00:43:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Nightfox to Mike S on Thu Oct 01 2015 07:28 am

    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to Nightfox on Thu Oct 01 2015 00:30:00

    not only that, but having a license says you have the right to carry >> one, not use it anytime. you have to have a damn good reason and
    you can not have it in a place like a bar.

    Those two reasons are why I've often thought it would be better to
    learn a martial art
    rather than carry a gun. However that's easier said than done (and to
    be honest, I
    have not studied a martial art, although I have often considered it).

    Nightfox


    Have you ever seen the Indiana Jones movie (I forget which one the scen is in) where some guy comes doing all sorts of fancy moves, and Ford ju pulls out his gun and shoots him? That's a classic, but it's also true. All these people that think that martial arts can take down a person wi a gun should watch that clip.

    Yeah, I've seen that. Great scene.
    I was thinking more of situations where someone might physically attack you close, rather than someone attacking you with a gun. Also, as it has been stated, there are laws about carrying guns and using them in public.
    I've often thought that shooting someone seems a little excessive for things even if someone is breaking into your house.. My natural inclination would to try to just give them a good scare so they'd stop and go away, or at leas restrain them until police etc. arrive. If someone tries to get in a fight with you, pick your pocket, or even break into your home, does that really m they deserve to be shot?

    Nightfox

    The problem is, if somebody breaks into your home, how do you know they just want to steal some of your stuff? Maybe they want to rape your wife or daughter? What then? Just give them a good scare and hope that makes them
    stop? You are right, shooting somebody IS excessive unless you're in fear of serious harm to yourself, or another human being. While having a CCW doesn't turn me into a LEO, if I see a guy raping a chick, or beating her bloody, am
    I supposed to just call 911 and sit back and watch the show? I don't think
    so. But then everyone has to decide for themselves how much and what kind of involvment in society they want for themselves.

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  • From Mike S@VERT to spacesst on Fri Oct 2 00:51:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: spacesst to Mike S on Thu Oct 01 2015 10:43 am

    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to Mro on Thu Oct 01 2015 00:22:00

    I will agree, anyone that just gets a license and thinks that makes the 'qualified' to carry a gun probably should NOT carry one! In fact my mother also has a license, but won't carry until she learns how to properly shoot. If you carry a gun, and either don't know how to use it or don't know how to use it well enough that it's use is almost second nature to you, having it can turn into a bad thing for you! I'm an NRA certified instructor, but I'm not about to teach my own mother! I haven been carrying for a while as I've been sick, so haven't been able to ge out to the range to keep in practice, and practice is everything! Well, knowing what to practice helps too :)

    Why it's soo important to have gun ?
    does it's soo dangerous or city does nothing to catch bad guy
    Guns is not to make Garden , its to kill !
    Why "label" Bad guys , are so agresive , They want to survive !
    Why this violence Each others


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    What just happened in OR is a perfect example. If any of those students or maybe even the teacher had a gun maybe less lives would have been lost. Ever wonder why these mass shootings are all done in 'gun free' zones?

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  • From Mike S@VERT to Mro on Fri Oct 2 00:58:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mro to Mike S on Thu Oct 01 2015 07:24 pm

    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to Mro on Thu Oct 01 2015 12:22 am

    it can turn into a bad thing for you! I'm an NRA certified instructor, bu I'm not about to teach my own mother! I haven't been carrying for a while as I've been sick, so haven't been able to get out to the range to keep i practice, and practice is everything! Well, knowing what to practice help too :)


    also it has a lot to do with personality type. there's people that freeze up and there's people that ride out the stress and perform through it.

    if someone that freezes up confronts another with a gun, that criminal just might end up getting a better gun or an extra one atleast.

    This is true. Unfortunately I've had occasion to find out how I react in
    those kind of stress situations, and luckily for me I'm able to function thru the stress. Once the stress is over I fall apart, but during the stress I'm fine.

    -MikeS

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  • From Mike S@VERT to Mro on Fri Oct 2 01:09:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mro to spacesst on Thu Oct 01 2015 07:29 pm


    Can i come to your
    house and rape your wife infront of you and take all your money and kick you dog? if you are saying i just want to survive by doing that, then you have something wrong with you.

    Lets see, come over and rape the wife? Sure, why not.
    Take all my money? Sure, I don't have all that much, and I can get more.
    Kick my dog??? Ok, that's it the gun's coming out... that click you hear is
    me releasing the safety... have you gone yet? :)

    (gotta inject a little bit of humor into this thread)

    -MikeS

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT to Mike S on Fri Oct 2 06:00:16 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to spacesst on Fri Oct 02 2015 12:51 am

    Ever wonder why these mass shootings are all done in 'gun free' zones?

    Because criminals can't be relied on to follow rules?

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  • From Deuce@VERT to Mike S on Fri Oct 2 11:17:24 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to spacesst on Fri Oct 02 2015 12:51 am

    Ever wonder why these mass shootings are all done in 'gun free' zones?

    Only 14% of mass shootings took place in gun=free zones between Janurary 2009 and July 2014.

    Of those that did, there's no evidence that the locations were chosen because it was gun-free.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.everytown.org/images/MassShooting_v7_CS6_WEB.pdf http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings


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  • From metalhead@VERT to Nightfox on Fri Oct 2 21:31:00 2015
    they'd stop and go away, or at least restrain them until police etc. arrive. If someone tries to get in a fight with you, pick your pocket,
    or even break into your home, does that really mean they deserve to be shot?

    There have been home invaders getting shot and killed quite a bit in my city. The only reason I don't own a gun is because of the money that guns cost. I'd shoot to kill an invader any day.

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  • From metalhead@VERT to Mike S on Fri Oct 2 21:43:00 2015
    (gotta inject a little bit of humor into this thread)

    Let me show some gun humor too:

    Have any of you heard about a homeless camper in Albuquerque who got shot by police? It was all over the news, and still is locally here. The video is available on the internet, check out "James Boyd Albuqueruqe."

    The video makes it look like poor little James was defenseless, and the cops killed him without much of a reason. And maybe they did... but.....

    Anyway, protesters loaded the streets downtown (the street - lomas blvd) and they shouted at the police, condemning the killing. Know what? What a bunch
    of dummies....

    So like 2 years later, we come to find out that poor defenseless James Boyd
    was a serial child rapist. <- Now how do they feel about what they were protesting about?

    The 2 cops are facing prison sentences, but I support them 100% and think
    they should be rewarded for what they did, whether it be the key to the city, or free food from Twisters. If I ever see them, I WILL treat them with
    respect.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to metalhead on Fri Oct 2 21:06:30 2015
    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: metalhead to Nightfox on Fri Oct 02 2015 09:31 pm

    they'd stop and go away, or at least restrain them until police etc. arrive. If someone tries to get in a fight with you, pick your pocket, or even break into your home, does that really mean they deserve to be shot?

    There have been home invaders getting shot and killed quite a bit in my city. The only reason I don't own a gun is because of the money that guns cost. I'd shoot to kill an invader any day.

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  • From Mro@VERT to metalhead on Sat Oct 3 04:34:53 2015
    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: metalhead to Mike S on Fri Oct 02 2015 09:43 pm

    So like 2 years later, we come to find out that poor defenseless James Boyd was a serial child rapist. <- Now how do they feel about what they were protesting about?


    where's the info on this? i was looking a bit and couldnt find it anywhere.

    anyways, the guy was a nut and he got into it with police and people his whole life. not a suprise it ended up this way.

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  • From Hustler@VERT to metalhead on Sat Oct 3 09:03:19 2015
    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: metalhead to Mike S on Tue Sep 29 2015 02:34 pm

    as much these days. Janis Joplin is a perfect example, if you look at
    some of her earliest records the 1 or 2 songs that were top 40 hits were

    Good point, and all the other tracks sucked really bad too, in general.
    It's sad to say, but she actually got way more attention than she
    deserved.

    I never liked her. I still don't. I have no idea what the fuss was all about.

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  • From metalhead@VERT to Hustler on Sat Oct 3 18:18:00 2015
    I never liked her. I still don't. I have no idea what the fuss was all about.

    I think some record producer had really bad taste in women, and he wanted a piece o that. :)

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  • From ZeoNet@VERT to metalhead on Sat Oct 3 18:47:06 2015
    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: metalhead to Mike S on Fri Oct 02 2015 21:43:00

    The 2 cops are facing prison sentences, but I support them 100% and think they should be rewarded for what they did, whether it be the key to the city, or free food from Twisters. If I ever see them, I WILL treat them with respect.

    Silly question: Do you think the cops knew at the time that the homeless guy they were shooting at

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  • From ZeoNet@VERT to metalhead on Sat Oct 3 18:49:31 2015
    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: ZeoNet to metalhead on Sat Oct 03 2015 18:47:06

    *was a serial rapist?

    (sorry, my post got cut off)

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  • From Mro@VERT to ZeoNet on Sat Oct 3 20:52:40 2015
    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: ZeoNet to metalhead on Sat Oct 03 2015 06:47 pm

    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: metalhead to Mike S on Fri Oct 02 2015 21:43:00

    The 2 cops are facing prison sentences, but I support them 100% and think they should be rewarded for what they did, whether it be the key to the city, or free food from Twisters. If I ever see them, I WILL treat them with respect.

    Silly question: Do you think the cops knew at the time that the homeless
    guy they were shooting at


    the guy was in a standoff with weapons and he threatened to kill them.

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  • From Mike S@VERT to Deuce on Sun Oct 4 10:40:00 2015
    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Deuce to Mike S on Fri Oct 02 2015 11:17 am

    Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: Mike S to spacesst on Fri Oct 02 2015 12:51 am

    Ever wonder why these mass shootings are all done in 'gun free' zones?

    Only 14% of mass shootings took place in gun=free zones between Janurary 200 and July 2014.

    Of those that did, there's no evidence that the locations were chosen becaus it was gun-free.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.everytown.org/images/MassShooting_v7_CS6_WEB.pdf http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings


    I'll get back to you after I read thru the links you posted. Unlike some
    folks in the pro/anti gun arguement I like to actually read stuff before commenting on it. (and I'm not saying that toward anyone here)

    -MikeS

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  • From metalhead@VERT to ZeoNet on Sun Oct 4 22:30:00 2015
    Silly question: Do you think the cops knew at the time that the homeless guy they were shooting at

    I think they knew about his pedophilia, so that's why one of the cops said he was gonna shoot him in the dick.

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  • From Mro@VERT to metalhead on Mon Oct 5 00:37:41 2015
    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: metalhead to ZeoNet on Sun Oct 04 2015 10:30 pm

    Silly question: Do you think the cops knew at the time that the homeless guy they were shooting at

    I think they knew about his pedophilia, so that's why one of the cops said he was gonna shoot him in the dick.


    i found stuff about him being molested, but nothing about him being a pedophile.

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  • From metalhead@VERT to Mro on Mon Oct 5 13:09:00 2015
    i found stuff about him being molested, but nothing about him being a pedophile.

    I've read about that too, but it's a different news story. It's on koat.com, reported by Royale Da.

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  • From bcw142@VERT to metalhead on Tue Oct 13 17:59:14 2015
    Re: Re: Greatest Rock Band EVER?!
    By: metalhead to Mro on Thu Sep 24 2015 19:08:00

    i was thinking about STP. i think they're the van halen [but not as good] of the 90s. they arent good for shit without their original
    They need to take the signal that their careers are over!
    Not really their carriers, just that band. There's always street corners ;)
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