• Re: Episode 5: Windows 10

    From Mark Hofmann@VERT to Hustler on Wed Dec 23 12:42:09 2015
    I'm all for companies making money. I'm just dissapointed how Microsoft wants to shove Windows 10 down my throat. It was a pain in the arse to completly remove the Windows 10 upgrade from my machine.

    If a company works so hard to force people to upgrade to something like that, it can't be a good thing.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT to Mark Hofmann on Wed Dec 23 17:10:40 2015
    Re: Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
    By: Mark Hofmann to Hustler on Wed Dec 23 2015 12:42:09

    I'm all for companies making money. I'm just dissapointed how
    Microsoft wants to shove Windows 10 down my throat. It was a pain in
    the arse to completly remove the Windows 10 upgrade from my machine.

    If a company works so hard to force people to upgrade to something like that, it can't be a good thing.

    I suppose there are always different ways to look at things. Another perspective is, if a company has made a newer version of one of their products and they're offering it for free (even for a limited time), then why not? Companies don't often offer new versions for free. Apple has been giving away new versions of OS X for free for a while now (of course, it's designed to
    only work on Apple computers), and perhaps Microsoft wanted to try to make a similar move with Windows.

    I suppose newer isn't always better, but I've been running Windows 10 since it came out and have been fairly happy with it overall. I still like the Windows 7 UI better, but Windows 10 isn't bad.

    Also I don't feel like Microsoft is forcing people to upgrade to Windows 10.. Windows Update did start showing the Windows 10 notifications in earlier version of Windows, but I believe users had to choose to take the upgrade or not. At least that's how it was for me - Windows 10 didn't get installed without my approval.

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  • From spacesst@VERT to Mark Hofmann on Wed Dec 23 22:56:14 2015
    Re: Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
    By: Mark Hofmann to Hustler on Wed Dec 23 2015 12:42:09

    I'm all for companies making money. I'm just dissapointed how
    Microsoft wants to shove Windows 10 down my throat. It was a pain in
    the arse to completly remove the Windows 10 upgrade from my machine.

    If a company works so hard to force people to upgrade to something like that, it can't be a good thing.


    Win 10 it's the Worse windows , of all time
    not helping users , bad GUI , Bad Fonction
    i Think they try to control/limit your Life
    it sure i am looking more to MAC

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  • From Nightfox@VERT to spacesst on Thu Dec 24 09:43:40 2015
    Re: Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
    By: spacesst to Mark Hofmann on Wed Dec 23 2015 22:56:14

    Win 10 it's the Worse windows , of all time
    not helping users , bad GUI , Bad Fonction
    i Think they try to control/limit your Life
    it sure i am looking more to MAC

    I don't think it's that bad.. And one thing I think is funny thing is that Windows 10's Task View looks a lot like Mac OS X's Mission Control. I think the taskbar seems to look/function vaguely like OS X's taskbar, too.
    That said, I occasionally use a Mac at work (for some of our iOS & Mac development projects), and I still somewhat prefer Windows 10 over Mac OS. Mac software often lacks some keyboard shortcuts (although they do make use of many keyboard shortcuts). Also, Apple's software development software (XCode) crashes more often than I'd expect from that type of software.. I do like the fact that OS X is based on a variant of BSD, so all the GNU command-line tools etc. are there.

    Nightfox

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  • From Deuce@VERT to spacesst on Fri Dec 25 17:30:40 2015
    Re: Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
    By: spacesst to Mark Hofmann on Wed Dec 23 2015 10:56 pm

    Win 10 it's the Worse windows , of all time

    Still better than Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.

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  • From Deuce@VERT to Nightfox on Fri Dec 25 17:31:43 2015
    Re: Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to spacesst on Thu Dec 24 2015 09:43 am

    I do like the fact that OS X is based on a variant of BSD, so all the GNU command-line tools etc. are there.

    Heh, I'm the exact opposite... I hate that despite being based on a BSD variant, it used the GNU tools instead of the BSD ones.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT to Deuce on Sat Dec 26 07:39:25 2015
    Re: Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
    By: Deuce to spacesst on Fri Dec 25 2015 05:30 pm

    Still better than Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.

    Doesn't boot as fast. :)

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT to Deuce on Sat Dec 26 07:42:31 2015
    Re: Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
    By: Deuce to Nightfox on Fri Dec 25 2015 05:31 pm

    I do like the fact that OS X is based on a variant of BSD, so all the
    GNU command-line tools etc. are there.

    Heh, I'm the exact opposite... I hate that despite being based on a BSD variant, it used the GNU tools instead of the BSD ones.

    I'm surprised Richard Stallman hasn't started a campaign to call it the GNU/Macintosh system. Always entertaining when an interviewer refers to "Linux" and Stallman drives the interview off the rails explaining that's it's more properly called "GNU/Linux".

    How about "Linux kernel with GNO add-ons?"

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Dec 26 11:29:12 2015
    Re: Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Deuce on Sat Dec 26 2015 07:42 am

    How about "Linux kernel with GNO add-ons?"

    "GNO Way!" :-)

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  • From Mro@VERT to spacesst on Sun Dec 27 13:45:42 2015
    Re: Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
    By: spacesst to Mark Hofmann on Wed Dec 23 2015 10:56 pm

    Win 10 it's the Worse windows , of all time
    not helping users , bad GUI , Bad Fonction
    i Think they try to control/limit your Life

    well, win10 isnt so bad, but there's a few things about it calling home that i'm not happy with. the gui is better than win8, that's for sure


    it sure i am looking more to MAC

    yeah ok.

    lemme show you what my friend said the other day.

    12-26-15 [23:31:54] <*******> man what a win for mac haters
    12-26-15 [23:32:22] <*******> i literally had to update my OS to the new osx in order to use the new apple mouse. it's not supported in yosemite or earlier 12-26-15 [23:32:36] <*******> however, it uses the same bluetooth port the same way the old one did
    12-26-15 [23:32:50] <*******> only difference is that it has a built-in battery vs. using AA batteries
    12-26-15 [23:33:08] <*******> it clicks louder too
    12-26-15 [23:33:15] <mro> GAYYYYYY
    12-26-15 [23:33:25] <*******> so maybe i had to have el capitan to support the louder clicking
    12-26-15 [23:33:46] <*******> the issue is that in order to upgrade the OS i have to take out all of my third party RAM and replace it with my OEM apple ram 12-26-15 [23:33:50] <*******> otherwise the OS won't install
    12-26-15 [23:34:04] <*******> i can do normal updates but not from one version to the next
    12-26-15 [23:34:09] <*******> anyway.. stupid shit
    12-26-15 [23:34:09] <mro> dude fuck that
    12-26-15 [23:34:12] <mro> why you using a mac
    12-26-15 [23:34:15] <*******> but i have a mouse that clicks properly now 12-26-15 [23:34:17] <mro> they are cutting off your balls
    12-26-15 [23:34:20] <*******> :D
    12-26-15 [23:34:26] <*******> maybe i like the tingle
    12-26-15 [23:34:37] <*******> i knew you would like the story
    12-26-15 [23:35:00] <*******> now i have to go turn off all the new features that make it a security nightmare heh
    12-26-15 [23:38:41] <*******> the other thing macs do is even if an os upgrade fails, it leaves it in your boot partition so it keeps rebooting to the installer until you recover from backup

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  • From Nightfox@VERT to Mro on Sun Dec 27 15:28:41 2015
    Re: Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
    By: Mro to spacesst on Sun Dec 27 2015 13:45:42

    12-26-15 [23:32:50] <*******> only difference is that it has a built-in battery vs. using AA batteries

    Apple seems to like to make things difficult to service when you need to. I'm sure that built-in battery can't be easily replaced. It's probably a rechargeable battery, but what happens when it stops holding a charge? Apple probably expects you to take it to an Apple service specialist who charges a lot to replace the battery, or just replace the mouse.

    Personally I still prefer a mouse with a cable so that I don't have to worry about replacing its batteries. Usually I don't sit so far away from the computer that I wished I had a wireless mouse/keyboard. I think the only real scenario where a wireless mouse & keyboard are useful is with a smart TV, where you'd sit far enough back from it that you wouldn't want a cable between you and the TV.

    It reminds me of some car stereos I've seen that have a remote control.. What's the use of a remote control when the car stereo is right in front of you? Perhaps for passengers in the back seat?

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT to Nightfox on Mon Dec 28 02:27:50 2015
    Re: Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sun Dec 27 2015 03:28 pm

    Personally I still prefer a mouse with a cable so that I don't have to
    worry about replacing its batteries. Usually I don't sit so far away from the computer that I wished I had a wireless mouse/keyboard. I think the


    i had a nice wireless mouse and keyboard combo. i hate it because the batteries would always die when you needed the keyboard or mouse the most.

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  • From Lith@VERT to Nightfox on Sun Dec 27 22:38:25 2015

    Apple seems to like to make things difficult to service when you need to. I'm sure that built-in battery can't be easily replaced. It's probably a rechargeable battery, but what happens when it stops holding a charge?
    Apple probably expects you to take it to an Apple service specialist who charges a lot to replace the battery, or just replace the mouse.

    Apple has planned obsolescence built into everything they make. It's how they make those enormous profits :-b

    Lith,

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  • From ZeoNet@VERT to Digital Man on Mon Dec 28 15:28:25 2015
    Re: Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
    By: Digital Man to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Dec 26 2015 11:29:12

    "GNO Way!" :-)
    Not sure if I'd rather have it with GNU or GMOs... FSF or Monsanto is a tough choice.

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  • From tracker1@VERT to spacesst on Sat Jan 2 00:49:04 2016
    Win 10 it's the Worse windows , of all time
    not helping users , bad GUI , Bad Fonction
    i Think they try to control/limit your Life
    it sure i am looking more to MAC

    Really, compared to Windows 8, the GUI is much better... imho I liked windows
    7 more, but the rough edges in 7 are better on 10... my only big issue was disabling the stupid web search in two setting locations.

    There's a couple quirks as well.. But overall, I'd rather not have to
    support weird quirks from a windows version from a decade ago, ant the
    browser that came with it.
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  • From tracker1@VERT to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jan 2 00:55:05 2016
    Still better than Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.

    Doesn't boot as fast. :)

    My windows 10 machine boots up pretty damned fast (5-6 seconds, rarely
    reboot), way faster than WFW3.11 on a mid-range desktop when it was new.
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  • From tracker1@VERT to Nightfox on Sat Jan 2 01:00:22 2016
    Personally I still prefer a mouse with a cable so that I don't have
    to worry about replacing its batteries. Usually I don't sit so far
    away from the computer that I wished I had a wireless mouse/keyboard.
    I think the only real scenario where a wireless mouse & keyboard are
    useful is with a smart TV, where you'd sit far enough back from it
    that you wouldn't want a cable between you and the TV.

    It reminds me of some car stereos I've seen that have a remote
    control.. What's the use of a remote control when the car stereo
    is right in front of you? Perhaps for passengers in the back seat?

    LOL, I use a model-m style clicky keyboard and a logitech wired mouse with my MBP at work... The only annoyance is I flipped ctrl/alt/cmd and I can't install software to flip it around in the terminal (so ctrl is in the right place).

    Same keyboard on my desktop...
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  • From tracker1@VERT to Mro on Sat Jan 2 01:02:25 2016
    i had a nice wireless mouse and keyboard combo. i hate it because the batteries would always die when you needed the keyboard or mouse the most.

    Yeah, never fun when your roommate took the last of the batteries and you
    have to find someplace for batteries at 2am when you're working on a
    deadline.
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  • From Ed Vance@VERT to tracker1 on Fri Jan 8 08:33:00 2016
    01-02-16 01:02 tracker1 wrote to Mro about Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
    Howdy! Michael and Mro,

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    i had a nice wireless mouse and keyboard combo. i hate it because the batteries would always die when you needed the keyboard or mouse the most.

    Yeah, never fun when your roommate took the last of the batteries and
    you have to find someplace for batteries at 2am when you're working on
    a deadline.

    When I got a wireless Mouse I left the PS/2 Mouse connected but put it on
    the top of the computer case if I needed to use it when/if the Mouse battery died.

    I'm glad I did, it helps being able to use a Mouse while I'm replacing a battery in the other one.

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  • From tracker1@VERT to Ed Vance on Sun Jan 10 15:01:02 2016
    When I got a wireless Mouse I left the PS/2 Mouse connected but put it
    on
    the top of the computer case if I needed to use it when/if the Mouse
    battery
    died.

    I'm glad I did, it helps being able to use a Mouse while I'm replacing a battery in the other one.

    Now returning to Lurking Mode.

    I just use a corded mouse and keyboard now...

    keyboard: http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/UB40P3A
    mouse: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002B3YCQM

    I'm pretty particular about my input devices... been using unicomp
    keyboards for several years now, switched to the 103-key (Model-M layout
    with windows keys fitted in, without changing the size of the rest) when it
    was available. I don't like their order system, wish they'd just sell
    through Amazon.

    The Logitech mouse is imho the best option today, not my ATF, but close
    enough.
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