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How can you be sure of that. What if you are worshiping the wrong god
and your just making him pissed?

I used to have a tagline that said:

"You did WHAT in my name? - God".

Must put that into my current system. :-)


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Re: PPL These Days
By: metalhead to Tim Wray on Tue Jul 05 2016 10:02 pm

So, adults on a playground range from me to that, and it's hard to find the me's. Not that I'm a completely perfect parent, but I felt really good about the food I gave my kid versus the plastic straw wrapper that other little girl had for lunch.

Ha, wow, that's nuts! I'm more along your lines with my three kids. I don't have to eagle-eye the oldest much anymore (he's 11), but my 7 and 8 year old I keep an eye on.

People are too distracted when their children are in public places at times, far more than I am willing to be, I think. I hope. Haha!

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My favorite is from Homer Simpson:
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're
just making him madder and madder."

Dennis The Meance wanted to know, as he was being taken into church "Why
do I have to get dressed up to come here?? Who am I trying to kid??".

Indeed, we can't pull the wool over God's Eyes...He knows each of us
better than we know ourselves, and none of our thoughts, words, deeds,
motives, etc. are a surprise to Him.

Daryl

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What if you living life by your god's rules infuriates the real only deity? Then, you're in the same position as an atheist: Burning for
all time, because you picked the wrong god.

"He that believes on Him (Jesus Christ) is not condemned. But, he that
does NOT believe on Him is condemned already".

"There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1).

"This is the one thing God requires...to believe on The One He has sent" (John 6:29).

His Grace (unmerited favor) is a license to serve, and NOT a license to
sin. If all of us actually got what we deserved...we would have been
stamped out of existence long ago, and be in The Lake Of Fire with Satan
and his demons right now!!

As I said before, if the believers ON Jesus Christ are wrong, the most
we will lose at our death are a few petty sins...which don't make anyone
happy anyway.

But, if the unbelievers are wrong, they will spend eternity paying the debt...that they gambled with their soul and lost it.

And, to your original comments of "no evidence of God"...

"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His
Eternal Power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse". (Romans 1:20).

"The fool has said in his heart, 'there is no God'". (Psalm 14:1).

As I said earlier, take it up with God if you don't like those
comments...He made The Rules, and His Word declares the above.

Daryl

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Cool story bro. I don't believe your Yahweh exists, as there is zero evidence.

That is your choice. But, if the believers on Jesus are wrong, they won't lose much when they die.

How can you be sure of that. What if you are worshiping the wrong god
and your just making him pissed?

In a word, faith.

I'm willing to stake my eternal destiny on what Jesus Christ did for me
on The Old Rugged Cross of Calvary. He lived the life that I could not, and died the death that should have been mine.

The Bible says that "all our righteousness is as filthy rags"...literally bloody menstrual cloths. If doing the one thing that God requires, "believing on The One He has sent (Jesus Christ)", won't get me into Heaven, then nothing will.

One young man demanded that "I wish God would give me what I deserve"...to which the preacher said "You better watch it...He just might do it". If all of us got what we really deserved, we would've been stamped out of existence long ago, and ALL of us would be in eternal torment in The Lake Of Fire....right now!!

I've seen far too much evidence of God working in my life with answered prayer and so many other things, that it trumps over the statements of those who refuse to believe in Him. Psalm 14:1 notes that "the fool has said in his heart, 'there is no God'". Along this line, to the athiests, etc. -- if you feel there is no God, WHY should you care if I pray to Him?? There was a tombstone that noted "Here lies an athiest, all dressed up with no place to go".
One preacher noted that "I'll bet he wishes that were true".

As I said before, if the believers on Jesus Christ are wrong, they won't
lose much when they die. But, the unbelievers have far more to lose if they
are wrong...and they will regret it for all eternity.

If you want to reject all this, that is your free will and choice.

Daryl

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Is that why all these christians are making laws in the US that will
allow for discrimination against people that christians don't like?

"The heart of mankind is desperately wicked, and no one can know the
extent of the depravity" (Jeremiah 17:9). Even if one believes on The
Lord Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour, they still have that sin nature...and will have that until death, or the Rapture of The Church.

As believers on Jesus Christ, we are to love the sinner, but hate the
sin. Yet, so many go to extremes in what He said.

While we are NOT to "cram a Bible down their throats", we must witness
and preach "The Whole Counsel Of God". While God is a God of Love, He is
ALSO a God of Righteousness and Judgemnt. As a result, He can NOT, and will NOT tolerate ANY form of sin against His Laws in His Presence.

With Sodom and Gomorrah, that was where one specific sin caused God to destroy them. In the days of Noah, as today, "the imagination of man's
heart is only evil continually". The prophet Isaiah also noted "Woe to
them that call evil, good...and good, evil".

When the Pharisees brought Mary Magdalene to Jesus Christ, they said
that "she was caught in the very act of adultery", and that "the Law Of
Moses says we should stone her. What do you say we should do??".

He told them that "You are right...she is guilty of adultery". But, if
He had said to stone her, it would have gone against His Teaching of love
and forgiveness. Had He said to not do anything, it would have violated
The Law Of Moses (The 10 Commandments, which He, as God In The Flesh, had given to Moses on Mount Sinai).

In effect, they were trying to trap Him...but He knowing their hearts
asked "Why do you think evil in your hearts?". He replied that "He among
you, who is without sin...let him throw the first stone". Each of them
went away, "convicted by their own conscience".

He then asked her "Where are they who condemned you??". When she said
"No one, Lord", He replied "Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no
more".

Another time, the Pharisees tried to trap Him with the question "Is
it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar or not??". At first glance, it appeared
that no matter which way he responded, He was in trouble. The Jews hated
the Romans, and if He had said "Yes", they would've despised Him even
more. Had he said "No", the Romans could've arrested Him for treason.

Instead, He asked them to show Him a coin, and He asked "Whose picture
is on it??". When the crowd yelled "Caesar", He replied "Render to Caesar
the things that are Caesar's...and to God, the things that are God's".

The bottom line is that the laws of Man will NEVER supercede The Laws
Of God...He Made The Rules. And, that is what has so many people uptight
and angry. They want to do whatever they want, right or wrong (morally, ethically, or otherwise), as long as they themselves aren't hurt, it
doesn't matter if others are hurt.

Everyone has at least one chance to hear The Gospel. But, while God
made The Rules, He gives everyone the FREE WILL CHOICE to either accept
it or reject it.

The tagline below also sums it up...

Daryl

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Surely, the Antichrist is waiting in the wings, for his cue to come on

Surely? Surely you jest!

Not in the least. When the Antichrist comes on the scene, he will at first seem like the greatest thing since sliced bread, stabilizing the world's economy, creating a one world religion, plus signing a peace treaty with Israel, allowing them to rebuild the Temple (there hasn't been one since
the Romans destroyed it in 70 A.D.). If the Jews tried to rebuild The
Temple now, it would set of World War III in the Middle East.

However, the Antichrist (who Scripture also notes as "The Beast") will literally be Satan incarnate, and He will make the regimes of Mao, Hitler, Stalin, etc. and others pale by comparison, especially in his murder of the Christians and the Jews, who have been constantly blamed for the rest of
the world's problems. He will be assisted by "The False Prophet", who will implement "The Mark Of The Beast". No one will be able to buy, sell, or
hold a job, without it. Those who refuse the Mark are arrested, tortured,
and beheaded. Those who take it, God will cast into The Lake Of Fire.

Why should anybody in their right mind believe this tripe? To me, this
is an exact reason of what is wrong with people in the world these
days. The scapegoat is a very real thing for most people.

For one, it is Bible Prophecy. If even ONE part of Scripture were to
be disproven (it has not yet been, and never will be), then EVERYONE who
has ever lived, and is currently alive now, is headed for eternal torment
in The Lake Of Fire...with Satan and his demonic hordes. But, as Romans 5:8 notes that "God commanded His Love toward us, in that while we were yet
sinners (His Enemies), Christ died for us". And, He rose again on The Third Day, according to The Scriptures, and is now seated at the right hand of God. The one thing God requires is "To believe on the One He Has Sent" (John 6:29).

Second "The Preaching Of The Cross is to them that perish, foolishness.
But, to the saved, it is the Power of Almighty God" (1 Corinthians 1:18). Christians are commanded to "preach the Gospel to every creature"...but God gives everyone a FREE WILL CHOICE to accept it or reject it. We are also commanded to "love the sinner, but hate the sin"...and to "preach the whole counsel of God".

I know the skeptics will be laughing at these, but they won't be laughing once they start coming to pass...and I wouldn't wish these on my worst enemy.

There are several prophecies that have not yet been fulfilled (but will be, on God's Timetable), including:

1) The Rapture of The Church (1 Corinthians 15:51-55, and 1 Thessalonians
4:14-18). God does not destroy the righteous with the wicked, so He
will remove those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and
Saviour, before literally, all hell breaks loose...lasting for 7 years
until Christ returns. My righteousness is as "filthy rags" (literally
bloody menstrual cloths), and it's only "the Righteousness of Christ"
that the believers on Him have, that makes them worthy of Heaven.

2) The Battle Of Psalm 83 -- where the nations immediately surrounding
Israel (Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.) attack Israel, but they are defeated
and destroyed.

3) The Destruction Of Damascus (Isaiah 17). The oldest inhabited city in
the world, one day, will cease to exist. Scripture indicates that it
likely will be "nuked" off of the face of the Earth ("it is a ruinous
heap").

4) The Battle Of Ezekiel 38 -- where the Russians, Muslims, Germans, and
others launch an all out attack on Israel. God lets them get to the
mountains of Israel (the Golan Heights), then He supernaturally
intervenes...smashing the armies with earthquakes, hailstones, and
fire. Five out of every six troops die on the spot, with the remaining
one fleeing to Siberia, where they freeze to death.

5) The Rebuilding of the Third Temple.

6) The signing of a peace treaty between the Antichrist and Israel (He
breaks that treaty 3 1/2 years later, going into the Temple, and
declaring that He is God).

7) The appearance of "The Two Witnesses" (Elijah, and either Enoch or Moses,
whose first move is to shut off the rain over the entire Earth)...plus,
the sealing of 144,000 Jews to preach that "The Kingdom Of Heaven is at
Hand". The current "Church Age" is where Christ is taking from the Gentiles
(non-Jews) a people to Himself. After the Rapture, it will be toward the
national redemption of Israel.

8) 21 Divine Plague Judgments that, combined with all the wars, etc. will
nearly destroy all life on Earth. Christ said that this time would be
"the worst that the world has ever seen, and never shall see again". These
include the seal judgements (A-G), the trumpet judgments (H-N), and the
bowl judgments (O-U). Items A-D are defined as "The Four Horsemen Of The
Apocalypse".

A) Revealing of the Antichrist (the rider on the white horse).

B) Peace removed from the entire Earth (the rider on the red horse).

C) Worldwide famine (the rider on the black horse; one days wages will only
buy enough food for one person).

D) Death on a massive scale (the rider on the green horse).

E) Mass murder of believers.

F) Huge Earthquake, with the sun, moon, and stars darkened for a time.

G) Silence in Heaven for a half hour, giving people on Earth a false sense of
security.

H) One third of the trees, and all the green grass is set afire/burned up.

I) One third of the oceans are turned to blood, one third of the sea life dies,
and one third of the ships are destroyed.

J) One third of the fresh water (3% total on Earth) is poisoned, and many die
from drinking it.

K) Light from the sun, moon, and stars, is reduced by one third.

L) The bottomless pit is opened, and demonic locusts sting all who do not have
"the seal of God in their foreheads". The pain is excruciatingly worse than
the most powerful scorpion sting, lasting for 5 months. Many will try to
commit suicide, but find they are powerless to do so.

M) Four evil demons bound at the Euphrates are released to kill a third of
mankind.

N) The Kingdom Of God on Earth is proclaimed in Heaven.

O) Everyone who takes The Mark Of The Beast is covered with painful, loathsome,
and grievious sores...front to back, top to bottom, including genitalia and
buttocks. Pain is constant and extreme, and sleep is all but impossible.

P) All the oceans are turned to blood, all the life in the sea dies, and all
the ships are destroyed.

Q) All the remaining water on Earth (fresh and salt) is turned to blood, for
the murder of Christ's followers.

R) The sun goes super nova, setting people and objects ablaze. Daytime
temperatures may approach or exceed the boiling point of water, and the
night time temperatures may not go below 100 degrees.

S) The sun, moon, and stars go permanently dark.

T) The Euphrates River is dried up, to allow armies to cross. Dams are in
place, or under construction, that will allow this to occur.

U) A massive earthquake, with a magnitude well off of the Richter scale,
violently shakes the Earth, along with hailstones over 100 pounds falling
from the sky, destroying everything in their path.

9) The Second Coming of Jesus Christ to Earth, where "every eye shall see
Him". The armies of the world turn to fight Him with insane, demonic,
fury...and with just a Word, He cuts them to shreds...the blood reaching
up to the bridles of the horses for 200 miles. Satan is bound for 1000
years...plus the Antichrist (and the False Prophet associated with him)
are cast directly into The Lake Of Fire.

10) The Judgment of the living nations (Matthew 25:31-46). Those having
accepted Christ will be welcomed into the Millenial Kingdom (1000
years of TRUE Peace On Earth), while those rejecting Christ will be
sent off the planet into everlasting punishment.

11) Satan is released from the bottomless pit to stir up one final rebellion,
and all the forces (as numerous as the sand of the sea) are zapped with
fire from God out of Heaven. Satan is then cast into The Lake Of Fire,
and with all the unsaved (who appear at The Great White Throne Judgemnt),
shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.

12) To purify the Earth, so tainted with sin, God sets it on fire with a
fervent heat...created a New Heaven, New Earth, and New Jerusalem...
where "sin will not be permitted to rise up a second time".

They don't take responsibility for their own actions, and attribute
these behaviors to the influence of an outside party, aka a scapegoat,
aka the devil aka the antichrist.

The Devil has always wanted to take the place of God. That's what got
him thrown out of Heaven in the first place, with a third of the angelic
realm (now demons). But, we don't see the realm of the spirit world, as
it's covered by a veil. While there are angels about, there are also
wicked demons, bent on destroying everyone. Misery loves company, and
Satan wants as many as possible to join him in eternal torment in The
Lake Of Fire.

As the parable of the talents made clear, Jesus Christ excuses NO ONE
from personal responsibility.

And, that day can't come soon enough. Mankind has tried to "rule" for over 6000 years, and he has failed miserably in every way.

How has it failed? How has it failed in every way?

When has there been peace over the entire Earth continuously?? If you
don't have laws, the result is anarchy. Jeremiah 17:9 notes that "the heart
of man is desperately wicked, and that no one can know the extent of it"...
and Romans 3:10 notes "There is none righteous".

You can't leave your doors unlocked at night, and there are parts of some cities that you don't dare go into at any time, day or night.

What is so great about angels? One more set of scapegoats that people attribute good things to instead of taking ownership of the their own
good deeds.

Angels are created beings. One of them, Lucifer, was the "perfect angel", guarding The Throne Of God. Yet, Lucifier filled with pride, thinking that
"*I* should be running the show", and he conned one third of the angelic
realm into following him. He, and they, were cast out of Heaven...he became Satan (the accuser, the adversary), and the fallen angels were changed into demons.

Yes, people these days can be a rotten lot, that's for certain.

The Bible says the same thing in Jeremiah 17:9, as noted above. It's also
as in the days of Noah where "the imagination of man's heart is only evil continually" (Genesis 6).

The first time God destroyed the Earth, it was by water. The next time,
it will be by fire.

I don't wish any of this on my worst enemy...but as sure as the sun rises
in the east and sets in the west, all the events described above WILL come
to pass. And, I believe that THIS is the generation that it will happen to. Lastly, anyone who reads this will not be able to say on Judgment Day that
"I got no warning".

Daryl

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Re: PPL These Days
By: metalhead to Tim Wray on Tue Jul 05 2016 22:02:00

Anyway, then she started to walk away, but she bent down and picked up a plastic straw wrapper off the ground and shoveled it into her mouth like she was starving. I saw a well dressed, nice looking woman get out of her car (she was -sorta- keeping an eye on the kid from her car) and she walked over while having a cellphone conversation. I went up to her and said "Maam, she's got garbage in her mouth!" And the lady gave me a dirty look (like "Fuck off, I only like black guys!) and she started to walk away, kinda dragging the kid by the arm. Again I was like "Maam!" but she was way too focused on ANYTHING but the kid, and I could still see the kid chewing on the nasty piece of plastic as the mom shoveled the kid into her fancy SUV.

So, adults on a playground range from me to that, and it's hard to find the me's. Not that I'm a completely perfect parent, but I felt really good about the food I gave my kid versus the plastic straw wrapper that other little girl had for lunch.

Call scicial Worker and police , mantion the License plate of the fancy SUV , PROBLEM FIX

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On 07/12/16, Daryl Stout said the following...

My favorite is from Homer Simpson:
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder."

Dennis The Meance wanted to know, as he was being taken into church
"Why do I have to get dressed up to come here?? Who am I trying to
kid??".

Indeed, we can't pull the wool over God's Eyes...He knows each of us better than we know ourselves, and none of our thoughts, words, deeds, motives, etc. are a surprise to Him.

That's why Pascal's Wager doesn't fly. You can't force beliefs on anybody.
"A man convinced against his will of the same opinion still".

Also, if you believe what you say, then that just shows that there is no free will.

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On 07/12/16, Daryl Stout said the following...

What if you living life by your god's rules infuriates the real only deity? Then, you're in the same position as an atheist: Burning for all time, because you picked the wrong god.

"He that believes on Him (Jesus Christ) is not condemned. But, he that does NOT believe on Him is condemned already".

"There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1).

"This is the one thing God requires...to believe on The One He has
sent" (John 6:29).

His Grace (unmerited favor) is a license to serve, and NOT a license to sin. If all of us actually got what we deserved...we would have been stamped out of existence long ago, and be in The Lake Of Fire with Satan and his demons right now!!

As I said before, if the believers ON Jesus Christ are wrong, the most we will lose at our death are a few petty sins...which don't make anyone happy anyway.

Isn't that a false dichotomy? Your book tells you what you want to hear.
But if you look at other books, they will show you that if you do not do what they say are true, and are diametrically opposed to what you believe, then
you will suffer for all eternity. So, that is not the most that you will
lose at your death.

But, if the unbelievers are wrong, they will spend eternity paying the debt...that they gambled with their soul and lost it.

You are an unbeliever too. Just remember that.

And, to your original comments of "no evidence of God"...

"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His Eternal Power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse". (Romans 1:20).

"The fool has said in his heart, 'there is no God'". (Psalm 14:1).

As I said earlier, take it up with God if you don't like those comments...He made The Rules, and His Word declares the above.

Why take it up with something that can't be shown to exist, for something
that YOU claim to be true?

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On 07/12/16, Daryl Stout said the following...

Cool story bro. I don't believe your Yahweh exists, as there is evidence.

That is your choice. But, if the believers on Jesus are wrong, they won't lose much when they die.

How can you be sure of that. What if you are worshiping the wrong go and your just making him pissed?

In a word, faith.

I'm willing to stake my eternal destiny on what Jesus Christ did for me on The Old Rugged Cross of Calvary. He lived the life that I could not, and died the death that should have been mine.

If you are going to be lackadaisical about your beliefs, then thats up to
you. If you want to take what ever feel-good story that a bunch of snake-oil salesman say is true, then I can't stop you. But we're talking about your everlasting soul here, aren't we? Don't you care about that? Are you not at all worried that the source of your faith could just be a pack of lies?
You've got a lot riding on it, and it would be a shame to make the wrong
choice just because your mommy and daddy told you it was true.

The Bible says that "all our righteousness is as filthy rags"...literally bloody menstrual cloths. If doing the one thing that
God requires, "believing on The One He has sent (Jesus Christ)", won't
get me into Heaven, then nothing will.

One young man demanded that "I wish God would give me what I deserve"...to which the preacher said "You better watch it...He just
might do it". If all of us got what we really deserved, we would've been stamped out of existence long ago, and ALL of us would be in eternal torment in The Lake Of Fire....right now!!

Who decides what we really deserve? By what yardstick is it measured? Who's standards. People are chopping off heads and blowing themselves up because they think that by doing that, they will deserve a place in heaven for their deeds.

I've seen far too much evidence of God working in my life with
answered prayer and so many other things, that it trumps over the statements of those who refuse to believe in Him. Psalm 14:1 notes that "the fool has said in his heart, 'there is no God'". Along this line, to the athiests, etc. -- if you feel there is no God, WHY should you care
if I pray to Him?? There was a tombstone that noted "Here lies an
athiest, all dressed up with no place to go".
One preacher noted that "I'll bet he wishes that were true".

I *dont* care if you pray to Allah or Kali or Odin. I really don't. That's not the problem. You know what the problem is. I don't want your misguided beliefs to spill over on to my life by way of legalization of discrimination.

As I said before, if the believers on Jesus Christ are wrong, they
won't lose much when they die. But, the unbelievers have far more to
lose if they are wrong...and they will regret it for all eternity.

If you want to reject all this, that is your free will and choice.

As I said before, you have a false dichotomy here. You could very will have much more to lose by keeping on your same path with your same beliefs.

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On 07/12/16, Daryl Stout said the following...

Is that why all these christians are making laws in the US that will allow for discrimination against people that christians don't like?

"The heart of mankind is desperately wicked, and no one can know the extent of the depravity" (Jeremiah 17:9). Even if one believes on The
Lord Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour, they still have that sin nature...and will have that until death, or the Rapture of The Church.

Yes, you are born broken, and you think everybody around you is broken too.

As believers on Jesus Christ, we are to love the sinner, but hate the sin. Yet, so many go to extremes in what He said.

Now you're just making excuses.

While we are NOT to "cram a Bible down their throats", we must witness and preach "The Whole Counsel Of God". While God is a God of Love, He is ALSO a God of Righteousness and Judgemnt. As a result, He can NOT, and will NOT tolerate ANY form of sin against His Laws in His Presence.

God of righteousness? This is the same god that created evil, right?

Know God, Know Sin.
No god, no sin.
You can't have sin without god. God and Sin go hand in hand.

With Sodom and Gomorrah, that was where one specific sin caused God to destroy them. In the days of Noah, as today, "the imagination of man's heart is only evil continually". The prophet Isaiah also noted "Woe to them that call evil, good...and good, evil".

This just and righteous god of yours committed genocide, according to your story. Legions of men, women and children were killed. Their bodies were floating en masse all around this ark. The stench must have been horrible. This is the god that you say is just and kind and wants to have a personal relationship with you.

All these bible stories don't impress me too much. Harry Potter and
Twilight, and Gone with the Wind have just as much historical accuracy as the bible, and each one is a better story.

Just remember; it's a sin to legislate morality.

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On 07/12/16, Daryl Stout said the following...

Surely, the Antichrist is waiting in the wings, for his cue to come

Surely? Surely you jest!

Not in the least. When the Antichrist comes on the scene, he will at first seem like the greatest thing since sliced bread, stabilizing the world's economy, creating a one world religion, plus signing a peace treaty with Israel, allowing them to rebuild the Temple (there hasn't
been one since the Romans destroyed it in 70 A.D.). If the Jews tried to rebuild The Temple now, it would set of World War III in the Middle East.

Dude. I can see you are deep in your cups with your delusions.

Just remember, I don't believe your stories, and I vote.

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Re: PPL These Days
By: Gryphon to Daryl Stout on Tue Jul 12 2016 04:21 pm

Dude. I can see you are deep in your cups with your delusions.

Just remember, I don't believe your stories, and I vote.

hey you dont have to be mean to someone just because they dont share the same beliefs.


religious sub is THAT way BTW ===>
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In a word, faith.

Yep, exactly. Religious belief is faith.

I've seen far too much evidence of God working in my life with
answered prayer and so many other things, that it trumps over the statements of those who refuse to believe in Him. Psalm 14:1 notes that "the fool has said in his heart, 'there is no God'". Along this line,

Ironically, it is answered prayers that started me on a longer, deeper spiritual journey. The Universe is infinitely vast and more complex than any mere human can comprehend.

to the athiests, etc. -- if you feel there is no God, WHY should you
care if I pray to Him?? There was a tombstone that noted "Here lies an

I agree totally. What you believe is of no concern to me, provided those beliefs don't negatively impact my life. As for my beliefs, well, I take responsibility for those. :) You're welcome to pray. Even pray for me, if you like, I will accept that in the good faith in which it is offered, but that doesn't mean I share your beliefs.


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Daryl Stout wrote to Gryphon <=-

As believers on Jesus Christ, we are to love the sinner, but hate the sin. Yet, so many go to extremes in what He said.

Interpretations of that have caused untold hurt. Many Christians can't tell between nature, behaviour, choice, and their own fears. And I would argue that the real sin here is giving into the latter.

With Sodom and Gomorrah, that was where one specific sin caused God
to destroy them. In the days of Noah, as today, "the imagination of

And what sin was that? (the answer is in the Bible, and it's not the so-called "sin" that many attribute to Sodom and Gomorrah).

The bottom line is that the laws of Man will NEVER supercede The Laws
Of God...He Made The Rules. And, that is what has so many people
uptight and angry. They want to do whatever they want, right or wrong (morally, ethically, or otherwise), as long as they themselves aren't hurt, it doesn't matter if others are hurt.

But this is not an excuse to use religion to control society via the legal system. My own sense of morality tells me this sort of imposed morality is wrong, and can be as cruel as imprisonment. To me (looking at this from a moral point of view), it is right to break the law, when there is a higher moral issue at stake. For example, civil disobedience to highlight human rights or environmental abuses. The doctors speaking out against the detention regime Australia has been using, against laws specifically intended to silence them, are another example of people using higher morals to break the law for the greater good.

But in that book, this does NOT give Christians or anyone else the right to force values on everyone. Muslims in some country are equally guilty of this, in a more overt way. In fact, it gives room for more civil disobedience to break those unjust laws and make a point to the government.

The enshrining of Christian dogma in (colonial) law has also had a devastating impact on many people around the world, turning ancient cultures upside down and leaving old bits of colonial moral codes enshrined in law, long after the former colonial powers have repealed such laws.


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-=[ On 07-11-16 05:42, Kc2ugv wrote to Daryl Stout below: ]=-
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Hi Kc2ugv!

What if you living life by your god's rules infuriates the real only deity? Then, you're in the same position as an atheist: Burning for
all time, because you picked the wrong god.

Do you want your children to suffer at all?

Hell is reserved as a judgment for lucifer and the rest of the fallen angels and those humans who reject will be consumed in the lake of fire and cease to exist.

John write in Revelation 14:11 (ESV)
11A And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.���

That passage of scripture refers to a human that was deceived into taking the mark of the beast either in their right hands or foreheads. What happens to firewood when its done burning? It gives off smoke.

Yeshua (Jesus) is saying these words below in John 10:27 (ESV)
27A My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

So the ones whom perish in the lake of fire before the beginning of eternity are not children of Yahweh anyway.

I hope this helps


Cheers,

Bryan
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If you are going to be lackadaisical about your beliefs, then thats up

If I didn't care about my fellow man or woman, and their eternal destiny,
I wouldn't say a word about it. Then, they'd be merrily going on their way
to Hell and the Lake Of Fire saying "What problem??". What person would want eternal torment and pain forever when they die?? Someone cared about my
eternal soul and destiny to tell me that I was headed for Hell, but that I didn't have to go there.

The Saducees of Jesus' day didn't believe in life after death (once you
are dead, that's it). But, you aren't willing to consider the possibility
that you might be wrong.

Who decides what we really deserve? By what yardstick is it measured? Who's standards. People are chopping off heads and blowing themselves
up because they think that by doing that, they will deserve a place in heaven for their deeds.

God Almighty, the Creator of the Universe. His Standard is PERFECTION, without one sin in thought, word, or deed, and NO ONE CAN PAY.

I *dont* care if you pray to Allah or Kali or Odin. I really don't. That's not the problem. You know what the problem is. I don't want
your misguided beliefs to spill over on to my life by way of
legalization of discrimination.

You are free to reject this, if you so desire. I've said more than enough
as a witness to The Power Of God in this echo, and it's clear that you are
not receptive to it. God made The Rules...if you don't like it, take it up
with Him.

Daryl

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Dude. I can see you are deep in your cups with your delusions.

Just remember, I don't believe your stories, and I vote.

Fine with me. This life is temporary, like a vapor, and one day,
it will be gone.

If you no longer wish to discuss these topics, then that is fine
with me. But, remember, it all started with the subject of "what
is wrong with people??".

Daryl

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Tony,

I agree totally. What you believe is of no concern to me, provided
those beliefs don't negatively impact my life. As for my beliefs,
well, I take responsibility for those. :) You're welcome to pray.
Even pray for me, if you like, I will accept that in the good faith in which it is offered, but that doesn't mean I share your beliefs.

That is fine, and I have no problem with that...because that is your
choice and your responsibility, as you have so noted.

Daryl

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Interpretations of that have caused untold hurt. Many Christians can't tell between nature, behaviour, choice, and their own fears. And I
would argue that the real sin here is giving into the latter.

There are so many translations out there that it's pathetic. The King
James (Authorized Version) 1611 version's language is in the time of
William Shakespeare. So, it's easy to understand why it can be so confusing with all the thee's, thou's, begats, etc.

As a side note, in the language of Shakespeare (Elizabethan England), in
the tragedy of "Romeo And Juliet"...when Romeo first sees Juliet, he says
"I was filled with compassion, and my bowels were moved".

To our understanding of English, it sounds like he saw a pretty girl,
and defecated in his pants.

But, in that day, the bowels (the stomach) were seen as "the pit of the emotions".

And what sin was that? (the answer is in the Bible, and it's not the so-called "sin" that many attribute to Sodom and Gomorrah).

If you must know, that sin was homosexuality. The men of Sodom wanted to anally rape the angels. Lot offered the men of Sodom his two virgin
daughters, but they rejected his offer. When they came after Lot, only
the prompt intervention by the angels, who pulled Lot inside, and blinded
the rioters, saved his life. In Leviticus it notes that "one shall not lie
with a man as with a woman, it is an abomination". Again, God made The Rules.

But in that book, this does NOT give Christians or anyone else the
right to force values on everyone. Muslims in some country are equally guilty of this, in a more overt way. In fact, it gives room for more civil disobedience to break those unjust laws and make a point to the government.

While the world believes Christians are trying to "force" their beliefs
on others, the truth is that Christians are commanded to "preach the
Gospel to every creature". Everyone has the CHOICE to accept or reject it.

In Christ's day, if someone rejected Him and His Word, His Disciples
didn't go out and decapitate them, or set them on fire. And, I'm not going
to do likewise, either. Vengenance is The Lord's, and He can extract
Judgment far better than I ever could. He knows each of us better than
we know ourselves...nothing we think or do is a surprise to Him.

Daryl

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Dude. I can see you are deep in your cups with your delusions.

Just remember, I don't believe your stories, and I vote.

hey you dont have to be mean to someone just because they dont share
the same beliefs.

Thank you.

religious sub is THAT way BTW ===>

And, I see there is traffic in there.

Daryl

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You are an unbeliever too. Just remember that.

To the world (and to you), I am an unbeliever. But, to the Creator of the Universe, it's a much different story. I admitted before a Holy Righteous God, that when I realized:

1) I was a sinner on my way to Hell, and eternal torment in The Lake Of Fire,
but I didn't have to go there.

2) I could not save myself, or do anything on my own to get to Heaven.

3) My righteousness was as filthy rags (literally bloody menstrual cloths).

4) Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven, and Salvation was a FREE GIFT,
which could not be earned or bought.

5) He lived the life I could not, dying in my place on an old Rugged Cross.

6) He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.

7) He is coming back to rule and reign, and to destroy His enemies.

8) He would forgive me of every sin I had ever done or will do, if I just
believe on Him.

9) Gratefully accepting His Free Love Gift made me worthy to go to Heaven.

I know exactly the day, hour, and location, where I asked Christ to come
into my life and save me. To Almighty God, that makes me a believer, and
worthy of Heaven. But, it is Christ's Righteousness and NOT my own, that
makes me acceptable to God. I have the faith that if today was my last
day on Earth, that the moment my heart stops...or if the Rapture of The
Church were to occur today...that I would instantly be in Heaven.

I would rather be hated by the world and its people, and accepted by God; than to be loved by the world and its people, and to be judged and damned
by God to eternal torment. I may be a fool in the eyes of the world and you, but I am a fool for Christ.

Why take it up with something that can't be shown to exist, for
something that YOU claim to be true?

I have seen so much evidence of Him working in my puny life, that it
trumps your assertion that God doesn't exist. If God doesn't exist, WHY
are you complaining so vociferously?? And, why are you concerned that I
pray to Him??

God tells the believer that "If you don't warn the wicked of their sin,
and they die in their sin, their blood I will require at your hand. But,
if you warn them, and they die in their sin, their blood is off of your
hands". In short, the "witness" that I've done here, means that the blood
of all those in this echo is off my hands.

Hebrews 9:27 notes that "It is appointed for all to die, and after this,
the judgment". Everyone who has ever lived is going to go at death either
to Heaven (with eternal peace and joy), or to Hell (with eternal torment
and pain). Jesus Christ is the most important person anyone will ever meet. What you do with Him determines whether you go to Heaven or to Hell. And, everyone will bow to Jesus Christ...eagerly in this life, or compelled to
do so on Judgment Day by the Truth of God's Word.

One day, we'll know who is right (the Christians or the non-Christians)... that fact can NOT be denied!!

And, if those who refuse to believe in God and believe on His Son are
wrong, they will regret it forever. They won't be able to say on Judgment
Day that they were not warned...because everyone gets at least one chance
to hear the Gospel.

The Scripture verses what I used are what God has said. If that's not good enough for you, then I'm not going to pursue the topic any further.

Daryl

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God of righteousness? This is the same god that created evil, right?

Know God, Know Sin.
No god, no sin.
You can't have sin without god. God and Sin go hand in hand.

Evil is the abscence of good, and darkness is the abscence of light.

Originally, the universe was perfect. Lucifer, originally the covering cherub, who guarded the Throne Of God, inflated with pride, feeling that
"I should be running the universe", and he conned one third of the angelic realm into following him. He, and the fallen angels were cast out of Heaven.
He became Satan, and his cohorts became wicked demons. They are laughing at
you right now because of your comments.

This just and righteous god of yours committed genocide, according to
your story. Legions of men, women and children were killed. Their
bodies were floating en masse all around this ark. The stench must
have been horrible. This is the god that you say is just and kind and wants to have a personal relationship with you.

The reason they were killed was because they violated God's Commands.

In Genesis 6, it notes that "the imagination of mankind's thoughts was
only evil continually". Had Noah NOT found grace in the Eyes Of The Lord,
NONE of us would be here today...the world would have ended in the Flood
Of Noah.

In Genesis 13:13, it notes that "The men of Sodom were wicked, and sinners before The Lord exceedingly". Like it or not, God condemns homosexuality (again, HE made The Rules -- get mad at Him if this makes you angry).

Prior to the Flood of Noah, before The Lord shut the door of the Ark;
as well as before the "Divine Firebombing" of Sodom and Gomorrah, the people were warned, and they laughed at God's Warning. As a result, they paid the price with their lives.

It echoes the Scripture that "there shall come in the last days, scoffers; walking after their own lusts, saying 'Where is the Promise Of His Coming?
For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from
the beginning of the Creation".

Daryl

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Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

That is fine, and I have no problem with that...because that is your choice and your responsibility, as you have so noted.

And that's all I ask. Likewise, I respect your beliefs.


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Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

There are so many translations out there that it's pathetic. The King James (Authorized Version) 1611 version's language is in the time of William Shakespeare. So, it's easy to understand why it can be so confusing with all the thee's, thou's, begats, etc.

That was the language of the day. Language evolves, one of the many challenges to the integrity for a text the age of the Bible. But if you _really_ want to know what it said, you need to read the original texts in their original languages (Hebrew, Aramaic and ancient Greek).

If you must know, that sin was homosexuality. The men of Sodom wanted
to anally rape the angels. Lot offered the men of Sodom his two virgin daughters, but they rejected his offer. When they came after Lot, only

Bzzzt, wrong. The Bible itself, in a later passage (I don't have the exact verse on hand) states that the sin was inhospitability towards strangers. Lot was the only person in the town that showed hospitability towards the angels.

the prompt intervention by the angels, who pulled Lot inside, and
blinded the rioters, saved his life. In Leviticus it notes that "one
shall not lie with a man as with a woman, it is an abomination". Again, God made The Rules.

And man misinterpreted them.

As for Leviticus, you'd also better skip the oysters, and throw out your poly/cotton shirts, and check a number of other behaviours. Can't pick and choose here. :)

While the world believes Christians are trying to "force" their
beliefs on others, the truth is that Christians are commanded to
"preach the Gospel to every creature". Everyone has the CHOICE to
accept or reject it.

Preaching is one thing, I have no problem with you sharing your message. Baling laws to impose a reoigious based set of values on everyne are another.

In Christ's day, if someone rejected Him and His Word, His Disciples didn't go out and decapitate them, or set them on fire. And, I'm not

Or throw them in jail, fine them or whatever...


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Call scicial Worker and police , mantion the License plate of the fancy SUV , PROBLEM FIX

Trust me dude, I'm really good at over-reacting, and at being impulsive, but what do you think the police would say if I called them up and was like "there's a kid with plastic in her mouth! She's not choking on it yet, but
she might!"

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metalhead wrote to All <=-

I would like to hear some opinions on what you think about people are like, these days, compared to in the past.

I dunno, I think people haven't changed much. Some people are assholes,
some people are nice. I notice friendly people most of the time, although
most of my people contact is online.

I'm 44. People of my age and younger and older are saying
"kids these days [something negative]", but honestly, I don't see it.

Maybe the world's gone to hell but maybe it's in the mirror.

Or.. maybe the world's gone to hell - I dunno :P I'm probably
just a pollyanna or whatever weird word they use for it.

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"kids these days [something negative]", but honestly, I don't see it.

I keep hearing on the news, and from people, that heroin use is on the rise,
so I assume that many of the horrible things occurring simultaneously are related to the spike in heroin use.

On the other hand, I see kids being better kids than I was when I was a kid.

So, like you said, good people and bad people are out there. Hopefully we
will spend more time associating with the good ones.

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DARYL STOUT wrote to ZERO READER <=-

This is what we were told at the Skywarn Storm Spotter Training
courses.

Not to hijack - but that's something Vanessa and I both want to get into...
She took the course several years ago, but now we BOTH want to do it.

We have a local HAM meeting tomorrow night and I'm planning to help with
an event Saturday night. Hoping to get more info...


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metalhead wrote to All <=-

Maybe it's part of growing up that I'm not realizing.. Are people supposed to be more like dicks as they get older? I'm just missing something here.. I still feel like I have an obligation to the world to
be the nicest guy that I know how to be, and while I walk in this path,
a shitstorm follows me, dreching me on every part of my body.

Ah, fuck it, let's just talk about modems and shit.. lol

I think its a culture in decline. If we look at all that is in right now .. selfishness, selfees, mass consumerism it goes on and on, and its being engineered to make sure solidarity is gone. It makes everyone feel like everyone is dicks. Then the release the crazy people, nobody can take in or help strangers at all so everyone had no trust because its just too freaken risky. This is how the powers want it so we stay consumers. ... it wasn't that way int he past but it continues to edge in that direction. Recognizing everyone is dicks is a start to changing things.

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