I was blown away by the news today. Microsoft is now a Linux Foundation "platinum member"... Micorosft...
*microsoft, sucha bad typer...
anyways, it feels strange, like darth vader is the good guy hanging around obi wan, just chatting about old times and tossing back a few cold ones..??
What happened to the harbinger of doom, the devil itself, satan's software regiem, MS? How can I keep on reffering to them as the evil incarnate if they keep supporting Open Source?
I've been hearing Microsoft has been becoming more open and has even made some software development tools for Linux, but I was still surprised when I heard Microsoft joined the Linux Foundation. I'm not sure if Microsoft really wants to support open-source technologies or if this is just a tactic to try to destroy Linux. Perhaps they'll try to implement some proprietary code in Linux and then claim copyright on it.
Nightfox wrote to Hylian <=-
I've been hearing Microsoft has been becoming more open and has even
made some software development tools for Linux, but I was still
surprised when I heard Microsoft joined the Linux Foundation. I'm not
sure if Microsoft really wants to support open-source technologies or
if this is just a tactic to try to destroy Linux. Perhaps they'll try
to implement some proprietary code in Linux and then claim copyright on it.
business. Microsoft still has a lot of market clout - Windows on the desktop, MS OFfice (their subscription model is good for smaller users), Windows phone (though I think they were a few years too late to the party - iOS and Android have the lions share).
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, Microsoft was probably a bit late, but I've known people who
really liked Windows phones. Time to market is important, but it's not always important to be the first to market. I seem to remember the
iPhone going on the market before Android phones went on the market,
but Android phones are selling well these days. iPhones are too, but
both seem to have a good share of the market.
I was blown away by the news today. Microsoft is now a Linux Foundation "platinum member"... Micorosft...
*microsoft, sucha bad typer...
anyways, it feels strange, like darth vader is the good guy hanging around obi
wan, just chatting about old times and tossing back a few cold ones..??
What happened to the harbinger of doom, the devil itself, satan's software regiem, MS? How can I keep on reffering to them as the evil incarnate if they keep supporting Open Source?
Next you will tell me Donald Trump is the president of the United States, and Obama is actually a nice guy, is a united states citizen, and isn't the leader
of Isis?
What has this world come to?
(Ok, I layed the sarcasm on a but too thick with that last one) :D
I wrote a little blurb about it on my blog if you are interested. <<<Warning, shameless plug!!!>>>
Microsoft strengthens ties to open source, becomes Linux Foundation platinum member http://dennygoot.blogspot.com/2016/11/microsoft-strengthens-ties-to-open.html
Next the grass will turn blue and the sky will turn green. That would complete
this whole "My world is upside down" feeling I am having.
-Denny
Denny's Computers - "Not profit seeking" PC Repair - http://dpccom.blogspot.com
---
� Synchronet � Vertrauen � Home of Synchronet � telnet://vert.synchro.net
I've been hearing Microsoft has been becoming more open and has even made some software development tools for Linux, but I was still surprised when I heard Microsoft joined the Linux Foundation. I'm not sure if Microsoft really wants to support open-source technologies or if this is just a tactic to try to destroy Linux. Perhaps they'll try to implement some proprietary code in Linux and then claim copyright on it.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
always important to be the first to market. I seem to remember the
iPhone going on the market before Android phones went on the market,
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
I've heard good things about Windows phones. The only real complaint
has been lack of app support. Yes, sometimes a latecomer with better marketing can work, but I think Apple and Android are simply too tough
as competitors - both are excellent platforms and are well supported.
Android overtook Apple, because it offered a lot of choice.
always important to be the first to market. I seem to remember the
iPhone going on the market before Android phones went on the market,
To be honest, iPhones sort of invented the "Smartphones that are actually usable" form factor (i.e. flat glass slab with a couple of buttons).
I've owned smartphone since the first Nokia Communicator 9000 in 1996
Apple tends to just go for the high end and for now it seems like a working strategy for them - if you compare their profit margins to their market share with say Huawei they're making a lot more money per unit sold..
Sampsa wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, trying to compete against BOTH Android and Apple right now is idiotic OR you have a really dedicated target-market in mind (like the Jolla guys, they want to keep Maemo / Sailfish or whatever it's called today running because there are enough Nokia N900 fans to possibly keep the company in business).
Android overtook Apple, because it offered a lot of choice.
Again like i said before, they over took them in market share but Apple
is still making by far the best margins in the industry.
For me, since I got an iPhone year(s?) before the first Android devices even came out, I've never even though about switching platforms.
I basically never upgrade my phone, it usually ends up falling out of a ski lift, dropping into the ocean, driven over by a car etc before reaching the end of its userful life.
I think my last 3 "upgrades" were paid for mostly by insurance
companies lol.
Nightfox wrote to Sampsa <=-
I wasn't really arguing that. Actually I thought that Apple was the
first to market with such a device. I read that Android was in development for at least a few years before that, but I don't remember Android devices coming to market until after the iPhone.
Nightfox wrote to Sampsa <=-
They seem to sell fewer units, but yeah, it seems that their strategy
is working for them. That's fine, since a business exists to generate revenue. Personally I'm not sure I see the extra value in Apple
products, but that's a whole other discussion..
to generate revenue. Personally I'm not sure I see the extra value
in Apple products, but that's a whole other discussion..
I've built up an app library etc so migrating to Android would just be hassle - anyway,
factor) has been OS X since 2003, so the tight integration between iOS and OS X are a plus.
Nightfox wrote to Sampsa <=-
How is the integration of iOS different on OS X than on Windows or
Linux? I've known people who own an iOS device and use Windows on
their desktop computer, and I've seen them plug their iOS device in and
be able to copy stuff to/from it. I thought all you needed was iTunes
on the computer to transfer everything, and iTunes is available for
both OS X and Windows.
To develop iOS software, though, I believe you
do need OS X, since Apple only provides their development software for
OS X. Although I have heard that you can create iOS apps with
Microsoft Visual Studio now (and it sounds like Microsoft now makes a version of Visual Studio for Mac):
https://www.xamarin.com/visual-studio
As for extra integration:
On OS X you can do stuff like take phone calls and read/send SMSes through desktop
apps (FaceTime / Messsages.app) which is quite handy (I loathe typing on touch screens).
It doesn't sound huge but it's actually really quite handy. And I think macOS Sierra
add even more stuff like this, basically your phone and OS X box work more or less
as one device.
Also with iCloud Drive (and iCloud in general) more and more stuff becomes available
automatically if you have the OS X and iOS version of the same app.
For example, (I use Pages and Keypoint quite a bit, and if you save your documents
on iCloud they automatically appear in the iOS versions of those so I can keep working
on say a presentation on my iPad whilst on a plane [provided I sync it beforehand if
the plane doesn't have wifi]).
To develop iOS software, though, I believe you
do need OS X, since Apple only provides their development software
for OS X. Although I have heard that you can create iOS apps with
Microsoft Visual Studio now (and it sounds like Microsoft now makes
a version of Visual Studio for Mac):
https://www.xamarin.com/visual-studio
You definitely need OS X to develop software for iOS, not that I do but it really IS
the platform of choice for that (though there might be some weird hacks to make it
possible to use other platforms, again haven't looked as I have no need for this
stuff).
Also it's a pretty decent UNIX (I really am not a Windows person, I only use it at
client sites and to run my main BBS) so there's no chance I'm switching over to Windows.
Nightfox wrote to Sampsa <=-
@VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
@MSGID: <58326586.27243.dove_dove-gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
@REPLY: <58324BAF.21609.dove-gen@b4bbs.com>
@TZ: 41e0
Re: Re: msft does MORE for the open source
community...??
By: Sampsa to Nightfox on
Mon Nov 21 2016 03:19:00
As for extra integration:
On OS X you can do stuff like take phone calls and read/send SMSes through desktop
apps (FaceTime / Messsages.app) which is quite handy (I loathe typing on touch screens).
It doesn't sound huge but it's actually really quite handy. And I think macOS Sierra
add even more stuff like this, basically your phone and OS X box work more or less
as one device.
Also with iCloud Drive (and iCloud in general) more and more stuff becomes available
automatically if you have the OS X and iOS version of the same app.
For example, (I use Pages and Keypoint quite a bit, and if you save your documents
on iCloud they automatically appear in the iOS versions of those so I can keep working
on say a presentation on my iPad whilst on a plane [provided I sync it beforehand if
the plane doesn't have wifi]).
That's cool. Sounds like some useful integrations, actually.
Now that I've realized Microsoft Visual Studio allows developing iOS
apps, I'm not sure that you definitely need OS X for that, and I'm not sure a mature product like Microsoft's Visual Studio is something I'd
call a "weird hack" for any kind of software development.
Yeah, I like that OS X has UNIX/BSD foundation. But even though
Windows is not based on a UNIX, there are Windows versions of most of
the GNU tools, and there are also things like Cygwin for Windows that provide a *nix environment in Windows.
undI was blown away by the news today. Microsoft is now a Linux Foundation "platinum member"... Micorosft...
*microsoft, sucha bad typer...
anyways, it feels strange, like darth vader is the good guy hanging aro
areobi wan, just chatting about old times and tossing back a few cold ones..??
What happened to the harbinger of doom, the devil itself, satan's softw
fregiem, MS? How can I keep on reffering to them as the evil incarnate i
methey keep supporting Open Source?
I've been hearing Microsoft has been becoming more open and has even made so
software development tools for Linux, but I was still surprised when I heard Microsoft joined the Linux Foundation. I'm not sure if Microsoft really wants
to support open-source technologies or if this is just a tactic to try to destroy Linux. Perhaps they'll try to implement some proprietary code in Linux
and then claim copyright on it.
Nightfox
to destroy Linux. Perhaps they'll try to implement some proprietary
code in Linux
and then claim copyright on it.
well that's a nightmare of a thought, so thanks for keeping me up at night, Nightfox. ;)
to destroy Linux. Perhaps they'll try to implement some proprietary
code in Linux and then claim copyright on it.
well that's a nightmare of a thought, so thanks for keeping me up at night, Nightfox. ;)
Re: msft does MORE for the open source community...??
By: Hylian to Nightfox on Tue Nov 22 2016 02:58 pm
to destroy Linux. Perhaps they'll try to implement some proprietary
code in Linux and then claim copyright on it.
well that's a nightmare of a thought, so thanks for keeping me up at night, Nightfox. ;)
That didn't work out so well for SCO, now did it? :)
Re: msft does MORE for the open source community...??
By: Hylian to Nightfox on Tue Nov 22 2016 02:58 pm
to destroy Linux. Perhaps they'll try to implement some proprietary
code in Linux and then claim copyright on it.
well that's a nightmare of a thought, so thanks for keeping me up at night, Nightfox. ;)
That didn't work out so well for SCO, now did it? :)
well that's a nightmare of a thought, so thanks for keeping me up
at night, Nightfox. ;)
That didn't work out so well for SCO, now did it? :)
Et tu, poindexter? :)
I am trying to make belief that MS will be all puppy dogs and rainbow sprinkles, not the evil company I have always believed them to be.
So let me have my delusions already! :D
Sampsa wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-
I mean the NT kernel was designed from the ground up to support
multiple personalities, I think it shipped originally with Win32, Win16/DOS, OS/2 and POSIX.
They later dropped the POSIX personality (and OS/2) and rebranded it Windows Services for UNIX or something.
So the tech for running a *NIX ABI has been there since day one, I
think what they're going for is the mixed server market: Run all your stuff on one box (Windows apps and *NIX containers), i.e. "If you can't beat them join them".
Sort of like IBM is doing on System z - you can run "legacy workloads"
on traditional CPs using old mainframe OSes that'll happily run your
COBOL CICS app from 1978 alongside your Linux stuff on "zIFLs"
(basically a CP that's cheaper to license, lacks a few microcode ops to run z/OS etc) and now you have your legacy COBOL banking app, Linux
based Java middleware and webservers etc all in one convenient easy to manage box.
It makes a lot of sense when you think about it.
Poindexter Fortran wrote to Sampsa <=-
I would love to see OS/2 console functionality added back in; rumor
had it there was some way to add it back. It's been gone since
Windows 2000.
With OS/2 support I could run all of my OS/2 BBS environment apps;
Qedit for one ran much better as an OS/2 app under Windows 2000 than a
DOS app under Windows XP.
When IBM supported the Olympics a few years back, didn't they run
OS/400 with Linux containers under OS/2 running the web and
middleware, and DB2 running native on the iron?
Poindexter Fortran wrote to Sampsa <=-
I would love to see OS/2 console functionality added back in; rumor
had it there was some way to add it back. It's been gone since
Windows 2000.
With OS/2 support I could run all of my OS/2 BBS environment apps;
Qedit for one ran much better as an OS/2 app under Windows 2000 than a
DOS app under Windows XP.
Poindexter Fortran wrote to Sampsa <=-
They later dropped the POSIX personality (and OS/2) and rebranded it Windows Services for UNIX or something.
I would love to see OS/2 console functionality added back in; rumor
had it there was some way to add it back. It's been gone since
Windows 2000.
With OS/2 support I could run all of my OS/2 BBS environment apps;
Qedit for one ran much better as an OS/2 app under Windows 2000 than a
DOS app under Windows XP.
When IBM supported the Olympics a few years back, didn't they run
OS/400 with Linux containers under OS/2 running the web and
middleware, and DB2 running native on the iron?
Would be cool to set up a FrontDoor/2 + EleBBS for OS/2 setup running on NT4 - I really need to have a play with this (OS/2 and eComStation run like shit in VMWare)..
The "OS/2 Support" is very very crappy OS/2 support, specifically it only supports v1.3 16-bit OS/2 apps, there's no way to load a FOSSIL driver, etc etc.
Poindexter Fortran wrote to Sampsa <=-
Now I'm missing OS/2. I remember being able to make specific DOS VDMs
when OS/2s DOS support was lacking. I had one MS-DOS VDM that ran LANTastic network drivers to connect to my BBS, running DOS. With the LANTastic screen sharing app I could redirect the console to a VDM
window on the OS/2 box. I could also copy files to/from the DOS window
to the file system then access it via OS/2.
The one part that killed it for me and OS/2 was trying to get Windows Winsock apps to run on it. At that point NT 3.51 came out and it mostly worked. We ditched OS/2 at work shortly after that.
| Sysop: | Ragnarok |
|---|---|
| Location: | Dock Sud, Bs As, Argentina |
| Users: | 136 |
| Nodes: | 10 (0 / 10) |
| Uptime: | 11:07:33 |
| Calls: | 15,171 |
| Calls today: | 4 |
| Files: | 19,857 |
| D/L today: |
57 files (5,495K bytes) |
| Messages: | 1,691,603 |