Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this that I think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm here on a BBS to just... see what it's like?

Anyways, hello!

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Re: ?
By: Cdo to All on Sat Dec 03 2016 10:33 am

Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this that I think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm here on a BBS to just... see what it's like?

real bbses are over for the most part. the dialup days are entirely different than today in almost every way.

most of us use newer softwares to pull off the same old thing on the internet, or atleast make it appear that way.
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Cdo wrote to All <=-

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@TZ: 4168
Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit
or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this that I think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm here on a BBS to just... see what it's like?

Hi!

Have you watched Jason Scott's "BBS Documentary"? It's a good (if necessarily long) history of the dial-up BBS scene.

The glory days are certainly gone and I think most of us are here out of
habit more than anything else - you're probably likely to come across far
more Sysops than actual users nowadays.

Anyway a project that I run might be of interest to you: SIMNET.

We're basically setting up PSTN dial-up numbers with modems all around the world to give Telnet BBSes dial-up access numbers and it's turned out to
be quite popular - there's even talk of an ISDN hookup in NYC and/or Germany and potentially even packet radio.

Check it out at http://uuhec.net/simnet/ - if your company wants to host some phone lines / ISDN BRIs for us we'll plaster their ads all over the website :)

Sampsa

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Re: ?
By: Cdo to All on Sat Dec 03 2016 10:33 am

Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this tha

t I

think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm here on a BBS

to

just... see what it's like?

Anyways, hello!

For the best experience, I would suggest either using the java or flash web app or even better, the syncterm client.

If you connect via telnet or ssh, the ascii/ansi graphics will just not look right.

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For the best experience, I would suggest either using the java or flash web app or even better, the syncterm client.

If you connect via telnet or ssh, the ascii/ansi graphics will just not look right.

Not sure if I understand your last sentence.
Telnet and SSH are text mode connections and ANSI can be done over those connectioms. SyncTerm supports both (telnet would be the most common way to connect). So I not sure why ANSI/ASCII graphics would not look right over such a connection?

Nightfox

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Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this that I think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm here on a BBS to just... see what it's like?

Anyways, hello!

Hi and welcome. As others have said, BBSes these days are a little different and the BBS heydays are basically over, but connecting to one via a telnet client still gives you an idea of what they're all about. Back in the day, when BBSes were accessed by phone lines and dialup modems, it seemed a bit like magic, especially when one first started using BBSes. The idea of connecting to someone else's computer and using it remotely was novel. Also how they came up with FidoNet to have an international message network based on phone line BBSes was pretty cool.

Also, check out Jason Scott's "BBS: The Documentary".

Nightfox

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On 2016-12-03 06:33 PM, Cdo wrote:

Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this that I
think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm here on a BBS to
just... see what it's like?

Anyways, hello!

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Hello Cdo. And welcome to DOVE-Net. The best BBS message network there
is. (no spam)

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On 2016-12-04 04:30 AM, Sampsa wrote:

Cdo wrote to All <=-

@VIA: VERT/PWECKSRT
@MSGID: <5842F3C6.682.dove-general@pwecksrt.sychro.net>
@TZ: 4168
Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit
or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this that I think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm here on a BBS to just... see what it's like?

Hi!

Have you watched Jason Scott's "BBS Documentary"? It's a good (if necessarily long) history of the dial-up BBS scene.

The glory days are certainly gone and I think most of us are here out of habit more than anything else - you're probably likely to come across far more Sysops than actual users nowadays.

Anyway a project that I run might be of interest to you: SIMNET.

We're basically setting up PSTN dial-up numbers with modems all around the world to give Telnet BBSes dial-up access numbers and it's turned out to
be quite popular - there's even talk of an ISDN hookup in NYC and/or Germany and potentially even packet radio.

Check it out at http://uuhec.net/simnet/ - if your company wants to host some phone lines / ISDN BRIs for us we'll plaster their ads all over the website :)

Sampsa

... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
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Yeah the "BBS Documetary" by Jason Scott is great

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Nightfox wrote to Hylian <=-

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@TZ: 41e0

For the best experience, I would suggest either using the java or flash web app or even better, the syncterm client.

If you connect via telnet or ssh, the ascii/ansi graphics will just not look right.

Not sure if I understand your last sentence.
Telnet and SSH are text mode connections and ANSI can be done over
those connectioms. SyncTerm supports both (telnet would be the most
common way to connect). So I not sure why ANSI/ASCII graphics would not look right over such a connection?

I think he meant don't just SSH / Telnet with just a regular xterm-style terminal emulator - use something that does PC ANSI like SyncTERM etc with
the IBM 8th bit codepage for graphics.

Sampsa

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On 2016-12-04 08:04 AM, Nightfox wrote:

For the best experience, I would suggest either using the java or flash web >> app or even better, the syncterm client.

If you connect via telnet or ssh, the ascii/ansi graphics will just not look >> right.

Not sure if I understand your last sentence.
Telnet and SSH are text mode connections and ANSI can be done over those connectioms. SyncTerm supports both (telnet would be the most common way to connect). So I not sure why ANSI/ASCII graphics would not look right over such
a connection?

Nightfox

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The client,like the terminal emulator might not supprt the ccertain characters, idk.

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Re: ?
By: Mro to Cdo on Sat Dec 03 2016 03:50 pm

Re: ?
By: Cdo to All on Sat Dec 03 2016 10:33 am

Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this that I think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm he

re

on a BBS to just... see what it's like?

real bbses are over for the most part. the dialup days are entirely differe

nt

than today in almost every way.

most of us use newer softwares to pull off the same old thing on the interne

t,

or atleast make it appear that way.

Well, the project I'm working on is to recreate dialup internet. I've already implemented the transmission standard in cassette tapes:

https://github.com/collinoswalt/modem

and I'm workin on creating a real acoustic coupler using a piezo element, an arduino, and then writing linux drivers for it to read it like any other device

http://collinoswalt.com/12

SO I'm pretty excited to be here

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Re: Re: ?
By: Sampsa to Cdo on Sun Dec 04 2016 02:30 am

Cdo wrote to All <=-

@VIA: VERT/PWECKSRT
@MSGID: <5842F3C6.682.dove-general@pwecksrt.sychro.net>
@TZ: 4168
Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this that I think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm here on a BBS to just... see what it's like?

Hi!

Have you watched Jason Scott's "BBS Documentary"? It's a good (if necessaril

y

long) history of the dial-up BBS scene.

The glory days are certainly gone and I think most of us are here out of habit more than anything else - you're probably likely to come across far more Sysops than actual users nowadays.

Anyway a project that I run might be of interest to you: SIMNET.

We're basically setting up PSTN dial-up numbers with modems all around the world to give Telnet BBSes dial-up access numbers and it's turned out to
be quite popular - there's even talk of an ISDN hookup in NYC and/or Germany and potentially even packet radio.

Check it out at http://uuhec.net/simnet/ - if your company wants to host som

e

phone lines / ISDN BRIs for us we'll plaster their ads all over the website

:)

Sampsa

... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!

Sampa,

Wow, that's really cool! It's exactly what I was looking for. I hope to learn from your project. I've implemented the Kansas City Standard (or, a variation of it) to store data on cassette tapes; https://github.com/collinoswalt/modem

I'm hoping to take this idea and create an acoustic coupler using an arduino and piezo element:

collinoswalt.com/12

I'll definitely check out your project and bookmark it! I hope to learn a lot from it!

Collin

Ps: Sorry for quoting the entire message chain. I'm getting the hang of this.

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Re: ?
By: Hylian to Cdo on Sat Dec 03 2016 06:06 pm

For the best experience, I would suggest either using the java or flash web

app

or even better, the syncterm client.

If you connect via telnet or ssh, the ascii/ansi graphics will just not look right.

Thanks for the tip; I'm already on Syncterm. I'm still clueless about how the technology of this stuff works (and also what the hell is telnet)

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Re: ?
By: Nightfox to Cdo on Sat Dec 03 2016 10:09 pm

Hi and welcome. As others have said, BBSes these days are a little different and the BBS heydays are basically over, but connecting to one via a telnet client still gives you an idea of what they're all about. Back in the day, w

hen

BBSes were accessed by phone lines and dialup modems, it seemed a bit like magic, especially when one first started using BBSes. The idea of connecting

to

someone else's computer and using it remotely was novel. Also how they came

up

with FidoNet to have an international message network based on phone line BB

Ses

was pretty cool.

Also, check out Jason Scott's "BBS: The Documentary".

Thanks! some other users have suggested I watch that as well. They've also said that the technology at play here is completely different from what was being used 30 years ago. That's okay; I'm doing research on the technology (not easy at all, let me tell you) because I'm trying to create my own modem and transmission standard. I've already made a software modem to save and load data from cassette tapes: https://github.com/collinoswalt/modem

and I'm working on creating a modem device and improving the demodulation algorithm: http://collinoswalt.com/12

All the resource I need on this subject are all ancient and not well documented. Old Bell System Technical Journals have some specs that are useful, but a lot of this stuff is outdated (the frequency range of a telephone in the 1960s is different from telephones today). Some of this stuff will require experimentation. I also need to do some tests on sample transmissions to make sure the algorithms I'm using are the most efficient.

Thanks for the advice

Collin

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Re: Re: ?
By: Cdo to Sampsa on Sun Dec 04 2016 03:12 pm

I'm hoping to take this idea and create an acoustic coupler using an arduino and piezo element:

Do you think you will get enough modulation/bandwith using the peizo element, usually these are mainly just to create beeps, alarms correct? maybe I'm completely off base.

--

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KK4QBN BBS


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Re: Re:?
By: Cdo to Mro on Sun Dec 04 2016 15:06:53

and I'm workin on creating a real acoustic coupler using a piezo element, an arduino, and then writing linux drivers for it to read it like any

I'd be curious to hear how you get on with that. I built one once so that I could ... uh, use it with payphones ... and much tweaking and many hours of entertainment followed.

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Re: Re: ?
By: Cdo to Nightfox on Sun Dec 04 2016 15:19:09

Also, check out Jason Scott's "BBS: The Documentary".

Thanks! some other users have suggested I watch that as well. They've also

It's great, and worth watching. Be aware that it's more about the social / experiential part of the BBS age and less about the technical details that I suspect you're after. Watch it anyway. It was an interesting time and left a huge impression on many of us who are still around to nostalgiaze / celebrate / mourn this medium.

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Cdo wrote to Nightfox <=-

Also, check out Jason Scott's "BBS: The Documentary".

Thanks! some other users have suggested I watch that as well. They've

That is a great documentary. I bought a copy when it first came out, do watch it again occasionally. It covered many aspects of BBSing. On the downside, it was rather US centric, which did remove a bit of the connection (pardon the pun) for me, but that is understandable, given practical limitations.

also said that the technology at play here is completely different from what was being used 30 years ago. That's okay; I'm doing research on
the technology (not easy at all, let me tell you) because I'm trying to create my own modem and transmission standard. I've already made a software modem to save and load data from cassette tapes: https://github.com/collinoswalt/modem

Some of the technology is different, especially access methods - telnet (and to a lesser extent, SSH and rlogin) is the dominant mode of access. Mailers have a number of techniques, using the Internet. The use of the Internet means the mailer can operate "out of band" from the BBS, rather than sharing the phone line and working out whether to take the call or pass it to the BBS. Modems are relatively uncommon these days, because broadband Internet is both cheaper and faster, especially for long distances.

and I'm working on creating a modem device and improving the
demodulation algorithm: http://collinoswalt.com/12

All the resource I need on this subject are all ancient and not well documented. Old Bell System Technical Journals have some specs that are useful, but a lot of this stuff is outdated (the frequency range of a telephone in the 1960s is different from telephones today). Some of
this stuff will require experimentation. I also need to do some tests
on sample transmissions to make sure the algorithms I'm using are the
most efficient.

I'm guessing the frequency range of telephone circuits is more predictable these days (300-3000 Hz, with a hard limit at 4k, because of the 8k sample rate at the exchange). There would be some differences due to line characteristics.
The fact that the backbone of telephone circuits is digital these days (and has been for decades) also gave us some pretty hard limits on modem speeds - 56k if entering from a digital termination, 33.6k for an analog termination.

Disclaimer: I am no expert, but these are bits and pieces I've picked up along the way.

Anyway, good luck and have fun. :)


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On 2016-12-05 06:51 AM, echicken wrote:

Re: Re: ?
By: Cdo to Nightfox on Sun Dec 04 2016 15:19:09

Also, check out Jason Scott's "BBS: The Documentary".

Thanks! some other users have suggested I watch that as well. They've also

It's great, and worth watching. Be aware that it's more about the social / experiential part of the BBS age and less about the technical details that I suspect you're after. Watch it anyway. It was an interesting time and left a
huge impression on many of us who are still around to nostalgiaze / celebrate /
mourn this medium.

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I wasn't even around (or atleast I was but it was probably near its end
of life, like really near) during the BBS times. I was born in 1999.

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On 2016-12-05 06:45 AM, echicken wrote:

Re: Re:?
By: Cdo to Mro on Sun Dec 04 2016 15:06:53

and I'm workin on creating a real acoustic coupler using a piezo element,
an arduino, and then writing linux drivers for it to read it like any

I'd be curious to hear how you get on with that. I built one once so that I could ... uh, use it with payphones ... and much tweaking and many hours of entertainment followed.

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Pay phones. Lol. I want to use `minimodem` (sudo apt-get install
minimodem) with a friend to transfer stuff over teh phone lines. Lol.

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Re: Re: ?
By: kk4qbn to Cdo on Sun Dec 04 2016 10:15 pm

Do you think you will get enough modulation/bandwith using the peizo element

,

usually these are mainly just to create beeps, alarms correct? maybe I'm completely off base.

I don't have a background in electrical engineering, but I've been told by others who do that a piezo element will be able to reasonably accurately give me the frequency in at least the 1200hz-2400hz range. Whether or not this is true will require experimentation. If they can't _create_ these frequencies, then that's okay because there are a range of other options for generating sound (simply finding an old speaker, or directly connecting the audio in of a telephone to a 3.5mm jack

So, I'm not an expert by any means, just figuring this out as I go along. When I worked on my modem I was only a freshman who didn't know anything about programming, let alone analog modulation.

Collin

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Re: Re:?
By: echicken to Cdo on Sun Dec 04 2016 11:45 pm

I'd be curious to hear how you get on with that. I built one once so that I could ... uh, use it with payphones ... and much tweaking and many hours of entertainment followed.

Well, I post about the work on my blog: http://collinoswalt.com

and I'm sure I'll have a github repo on it as well. The real issue for me right now is finding documentation on telephone systems. These aren't things that the phone company is in the business of publishing, I think.

Collin

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Re: Re: ?
By: Cdo to kk4qbn on Mon Dec 05 2016 10:28 am

I don't have a background in electrical engineering, but I've been told by others who do that a piezo element will be able to reasonably accurately give me the frequency in at least the 1200hz-2400hz range. Whether or not this is true will require experimentation. If they can't _create_ these frequencies, then that's okay because there are a range of other options for generating sound (simply finding an old speaker, or directly connecting the audio in of a telephone to a 3.5mm jack

Exactly, neither am I, but I've tinkered with all, and mainly use arduino andall the nifty hadware you can get with it to make flight controllers for planes and multirotors, etc. all the piezos i've ever run up on have created very HIGH PITCHED modulation, Was going to suggest maybe just straigtwiring 3.5 mm jack, that way no sound loss.. as long as the power is correct. or old speaker do the job.. I love Adrduino, can take my Flight Controllers, play around with the sketches or build new, and create just about anything I want out of it.. Would like a GPS enabled POTS modem, plus Packet TNC all in one use for packet, APRS, Picking modem calls, etc.. that would be sweet.

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KK4QBN BBS

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Re: Re: ?
By: Sampsa to Cdo on Sun Dec 04 2016 02:30 am

Have you watched Jason Scott's "BBS Documentary"? It's a good (if necessarily long) history of the dial-up BBS scene.

I have a copy of all the "episodes". I think our own Digial Man was on it. I'll have to see it again, as it's been a while.

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It's great, and worth watching. Be aware that it's more about the social / experiential part of the BBS age and less about the technical details that I suspect you're after. Watch it anyway. It was an interesting time and left a huge impression on many of us who are still around to nostalgiaze / celebrate / mourn this medium.

BBS: The Documentary was what inspired me to start running a BBS again. I found out about the documentary while wondering one day if there were still any telnet BBSes out there. I bought a copy, watched it, and decided to set up a BBS again (after 7 years of not running a BBS).

Nightfox

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Well, the project I'm working on is to recreate dialup internet. I've already implemented the transmission standard in cassette tapes:

Recreate it? Wouldn't all that you'd need be a dial-up modem and a *nix machine that can host shell accounts? :)

Cool that you are using the aurduino. I have watched a lot of youtube videos that feature aurduino (and other board) projects but have never figured out what I would really use one for beyond novelty.




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Re: Re: Re:?
By: Dumas Walker to Cdo on Mon Dec 05 2016 06:37 pm

Well, the project I'm working on is to recreate dialup internet.
I've already implemented the transmission standard in cassette
tapes:

Recreate it? Wouldn't all that you'd need be a dial-up modem and a *nix machine that can host shell accounts? :)

Yeah, I believe Mgetty and all the TCP/IP bits I believe.

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Cdo wrote to Sampsa <=-

Sampa,

Wow, that's really cool! It's exactly what I was looking for. I hope to learn from your project. I've implemented the Kansas City Standard (or,
a variation of it) to store data on cassette tapes; https://github.com/collinoswalt/modem

I'm hoping to take this idea and create an acoustic coupler using an arduino and piezo element:

collinoswalt.com/12

I'll definitely check out your project and bookmark it! I hope to learn
a lot from it!

Your project sounds awesome, ours is nothing in comparison (we're basically gating POTS calls to telnet BBSes).

Actually we finally got another method of connecting going today:

HAM packet radio - so basically people with the right HAM gear around
the world can now connect to our list of destination BBSes.

Drop me an email at admin@uuhec.net - we can discuss this more off-line
so to speak.

sampsa

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Re: Re: Re:?
By: Dumas Walker to Cdo on Mon Dec 05 2016 06:37 pm

Recreate it? Wouldn't all that you'd need be a dial-up modem and a *nix machine that can host shell accounts? :)

Yes, but that sort of defeats the point of the exercise. Ultimately, why use dial-up at all? Why not just connect via regular internet? because it's cool, that's why. The idea is to be able to call a telephone, connect it to your computer, and communicate that way, without going through the internet (save AT&Ts backend, however it works) at ALL. 100% telephone lines.

THe "recreation" part of this is coming up with a transmission protocol. Developing a channel is one thing, but coming up with a transfer protocol is another. However, if I can generate enough hobbyists to use this, that can be up to them, really (different protocols for different services). A cool project for it would be to host a server which will GET any webpage that the caller requests, so that one can surf the internet through Lynx or something, obfuscating their original location through the server (though, of course, telephone calls are more precisely traceable than IP addresses. Just an exercise).

Collin

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On 2016-12-06 04:46 PM, kk4qbn wrote:

Re: Re: Re:?
By: Dumas Walker to Cdo on Mon Dec 05 2016 06:37 pm

Well, the project I'm working on is to recreate dialup internet.
I've already implemented the transmission standard in cassette
tapes:

Recreate it? Wouldn't all that you'd need be a dial-up modem and a *nix machine that can host shell accounts? :)

Yeah, I believe Mgetty and all the TCP/IP bits I believe.

--

Tim Smith (KK4QBN)
KK4QBN BBS

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What's Mgetty?

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Re: Re: ?
By: Sampsa to Cdo on Tue Dec 06 2016 07:21 pm

Your project sounds awesome, ours is nothing in comparison (we're basically gating POTS calls to telnet BBSes).

Actually we finally got another method of connecting going today:

HAM packet radio - so basically people with the right HAM gear around
the world can now connect to our list of destination BBSes.

Drop me an email at admin@uuhec.net - we can discuss this more off-line
so to speak.

As I stated also, I'm working on other methods of gaining access via packet also, But I need to get this POTS issues worked out, this should be left for email, but could you get another one of the local nodes to call my chatsworth POTS and see what the outcome is now that I have made a couple changes.

TIA

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Re: Re: ?
By: Deavmi to kk4qbn on Tue Dec 06 2016 06:29 pm

What's Mgetty?

Modem Getty, been ages since I've used it, it takes incoming calls from modem device and passes them to whatever you configure.

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Re: ?
By: Mro to Cdo on Sat Dec 03 2016 03:50 pm

I dunno.. I'm using a TRS-80 model 4 at the moment. A very not modern thing with a few modern parts added to make it go.

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THe "recreation" part of this is coming up with a transmission protocol. Developing a channel is one thing, but coming up with a transfer
protocol is another. However, if I can generate enough hobbyists to use this, that can be up to them, really (different protocols for different services). A cool project for it would be to host a server which will
GET any webpage that the caller requests, so that one can surf the internet through Lynx or something, obfuscating their original location through the server (though, of course, telephone calls are more
precisely traceable than IP addresses. Just an exercise).

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You might want to check out various modulation schemes already out there,
with code written already.

For example, there's Olivia, which is highly resistant to static crashes,
slow data speeds (Compared to other schemes), but very robust.

Or, there's PSK31, which similar to the Bell 202 standard used by 300/1200 baudot modems, just slowed, and narrower bandwidth. You could use multiple modems decoding at the same time to increase data speed.

Fldigi has a lot of these built in, and the source is freely available to review.


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As I stated also, I'm working on other methods of gaining access via packet also, But I need to get this POTS issues worked out, this should
be left for email, but could you get another one of the local nodes to call my chatsworth POTS and see what the outcome is now that I have
made a couple changes.

Well, if your intention was to have your system go to SIMNET even though the user typed KK4QBN, then it is working. Otherwise, not so much. :)



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Re: Re: ?
By: Dumas Walker to kk4qbn on Wed Dec 07 2016 06:25 pm

Well, if your intention was to have your system go to SIMNET even though the user typed KK4QBN, then it is working. Otherwise, not so much. :)

So, I presume you dialed in and was taken to the gateway? the first prompt should not give an option to type KK4QBN, it is just an info ascii stating that to get to KK4QBN from SIMNET to type it in at the SIMNET prompt, then afterwards it should have sent you to the gateway prompt, now if you typed in KK4QBN at that prompt and did'nt get access to my system, Yes, there is an issue somewhere that needs to be worked out. So is this what happened?

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Re: ?
By: Nightfox to Hylian on Sat Dec 03 2016 10:04 pm

For the best experience, I would suggest either using the java or flash we

b

app or even better, the syncterm client.

If you connect via telnet or ssh, the ascii/ansi graphics will just not lo

ok

right.

Not sure if I understand your last sentence.
Telnet and SSH are text mode connections and ANSI can be done over those connectioms. SyncTerm supports both (telnet would be the most common way to connect). So I not sure why ANSI/ASCII graphics would not look right over su

ch

a connection?

Nightfox

yes telnet does ascii, but the art does not look right\, at least for me, if i telnet. It takes a proper client to have the art look correct.

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Re: ?
By: Hylian to Nightfox on Thu Dec 08 2016 06:52 am

yes telnet does ascii, but the art does not look right\, at least for me, if i telnet. It takes a proper client to have the art look correct.

"telnet" is a protocol. I think you're referring to Microsoft's telnet.exe, which depending on which version of Windows, varies widely in how "correct" it can be as an ANSI-BBS client.

digital man

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So, I presume you dialed in and was taken to the gateway? the first
prompt should not give an option to type KK4QBN, it is just an info
ascii stating that to get to KK4QBN from SIMNET to type it in at the SIMNET prompt, then afterwards it should have sent you to the gateway prompt, now if you typed in KK4QBN at that prompt and did'nt get access
to my system, Yes, there is an issue somewhere that needs to be worked out. So is this what happened?

No, I tried it at the first prompt, like you guessed. I dunno, I am still on the fence about SIMNET. If I was going to participate in something like
that, I would want it to default to a connection with my BBS and offer SIMNET as a secondary thing, rather than go to it first and then require the user to do something special to get *back* to my BBS.

These days, I don't think most users are going to be able to figure something like that out, and my dial-up line is the one place I can usually figure the caller is not likely another sysop.



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Re: ?
By: Digital Man to Hylian on Thu Dec 08 2016 01:37 pm

Re: ?
By: Hylian to Nightfox on Thu Dec 08 2016 06:52 am

yes telnet does ascii, but the art does not look right\, at least for me,

if

i telnet. It takes a proper client to have the art look correct.

"telnet" is a protocol. I think you're referring to Microsoft's telnet.exe, which depending on which version of Windows, varies widely in how "correct"

it

can be as an ANSI-BBS client.

digital man

Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #42:
SCFG = Synchronet Configuration Utility
Norco, CA WX: 63.4øF, 51.0% humidity, 6 mph ESE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

actually then, since none of my software has the brand of microsoft on it, i.e. I'm a strictly Linux guy, then it's the telnet software on my linux box.

But i get your point. Xubuntu forever!

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Re: ?
By: Cdo to All on Sat Dec 03 2016 10:33 am

Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this tha think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm here on a BBS just... see what it's like?

Anyways, hello!

Whatever you do, don't tell ANYBODY that you found us here, you got that?



Naahh, just kidding. Welcome aboard ;-)

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Re: Re: ?
By: echicken to Cdo on Sun Dec 04 2016 11:51 pm

It's great, and worth watching. Be aware that it's more about the social / experiential part of the BBS age and less about the technical details that I suspect you're after. Watch it anyway. It was an interesting time and left huge impression on many of us who are still around to nostalgiaze / celebrat mourn this medium.

I can only echo your recommendation. This was a great series, and even as long as it was, I could easily watch another set just like it. There's so much history to mine from that era, just from the social aspect alone. Then getting into the hardware and software is another flood of information.

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On 2016-12-17 09:01 PM, Chris wrote:

Re: ?
By: Cdo to All on Sat Dec 03 2016 10:33 am

Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this tha
think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm here on a BBS
just... see what it's like?

Anyways, hello!

Whatever you do, don't tell ANYBODY that you found us here, you got that?

Naahh, just kidding. Welcome aboard ;-)

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Lol

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Re: ?
By: Cdo to All on Sat Dec 03 2016 10:33 am

Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this tha think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm here on a BBS just... see what it's like?

Anyways, hello!

well hello there welcome to the land of the BBS, old technology, but still useful a few things to know, the BBS's of the day had a real scene of community most BBS's where used by people of a town and no where else if you where a member of a BBS that was "advanced" you could still communicate with people around the world using fidonet, it was the internet of its day, made up entirly of phone line based connections if you can believe it, thousands of BBS's would make tens of thousands of calls a day to upload and download messages between each other so that all the BBS's that made up fidonet would share every message from every BBS's between each other so that you could send the equivilant of an email to any person in the entire world.... well at least the ones that where a part of fidonet anyway, todays BBS's as you can see are greatly upgraded, using the internet to connect insted of phone lines, however fidonet still exists, still using phone lines in third world countries but now includes the internet as a medium for communication, alowing BBS's to still share messages using this fidonet technology, but connecting to each other using the internet (mainly) as well as phone lines... the funny thing about BBS's of today is how many people still use them, still share information and ideas with them, and still give them porpouse... infact the great thing about BBS's (in a way) is almost the security, the truth is that because most of the world does not use them, if you ever wanted to share information secretly BBS's (in a sence) are the way to do it, no computer is truely secure, they can all be hacked, the truest security is not knowing of somethings existance, you cant hack what you dont know about... so to spite the fact that bbs's a totaly open you could share information completely without the watchful eye of the government...

also todays BBS's have also been upgraded to use other technologies of today such as integrating news group servers to the internal bulliten boards so you can have conversations with people who use the bulliten boards, with out loging into the bbs but rather using a news group client found in most email client programs

they also intigrate mail servers so that people who use the bbs can send email from the bbs insted of only internal messages
they also integrate chat servers to the internal chat features of the bbs so that people into bbs can chat with other people outside of the bbs who use irc chat clients and so on

i can go on about bbs's all day, but if you really want to know what bbs's where like back in the day why dont you look for a movie called "bbs the documentary", is is an incredable documentary about the whole history of bbs's and how people used them and the kind of cult nature they inspided and still inspire today

also check out my bbs if you are intrested by connecting to bbs.metallic-dreams.com

see you soon!!


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Re: ?
By: Cdo to All on Sat Dec 03 2016 10:33 am

Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this tha think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm here on a BBS just... see what it's like?

Anyways, hello!

i can go on about bbs's all day, but if you really want to know what
bbs's where like back in the day why dont you look for a movie called
"bbs the documentary", is is an incredable documentary about the whole history of bbs's and how people used them and the kind of cult nature
they inspided and still inspire today

also check out my bbs if you are intrested by connecting to bbs.metallic-dreams.com

see you soon!!

It was a truly amazing time at the start. Its really hard to find anything like it today because technology today is so pervasive, and above the surface its almost boring.

The information available is great but from a person who came from the past the morphing of older technology mesmorizes millions but from my perspective its just a new face on what was there all along.

The movie is great specially for those who lived it.

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Cdo wrote to All <=-

Uh, Hello?

I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm a 21 year old CS student doing a bit
or Archaeology. I'm working on a project involving old technology like this that I think is pretty exciting (I've got an internship at a telephone backend company, and my superiors think it's pretty exciting too). I'm here on a BBS to just... see what it's like?

Anyways, hello!

Hello and welcome. Feel free to ask antyhing you want from all these old
dinossaurs. :)



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