I saw this sign someone made that said "Genders are mental, not physical."
I don't want to stir the pot, but that sign is completely false in every way that matters.
Gender is and always will be physical. It specifically is in reference to what sexual organs you were born with.
I get that people have the right to act the way they want to, but don't lie to yourselves or me, thanks. (Message pointed to those that would
Hylian wrote to All <=-
I saw this sign someone made that said "Genders are mental, not
physical."
I don't want to stir the pot, but that sign is completely false in
every way that matters.
Gender is and always will be physical. It specifically is in reference
to what sexual organs you were born with.
I saw this sign someone made that said "Genders are mental, not physical."
I don't want to stir the pot, but that sign is completely false in every way that matters.
Gender is and always will be physical. It specifically is in reference to what sexual organs you were born with.
I get that people have the right to act the way they want to, but don't lie to yourselves or me, thanks. (Message pointed to those that would
Depending on what "gender" means to them, they may not see it as a lie.
If this was something that really bothered me, I'd probably want to look inward and try to figure out why - and if I couldn't come up with a good reason, I'd let it go. :D
Re: gendersl."
By: Hylian to All on Sun Feb 05 2017 10:47:07
I saw this sign someone made that said "Genders are mental, not physica
yI don't want to stir the pot, but that sign is completely false in ever
nway that matters.
Not necessarily. People tend to use the word "gender" rather than "sex" whe
talking about identity and social concepts of masculinity and femininity, rather than brass-tacks things like penises and vaginas.to
Gender is and always will be physical. It specifically is in reference
orewhat sexual organs you were born with.
When it comes down to biology, penises and vaginas, the word "sex" is used m
often than "gender".ard
Not that this is universally agreed upon, but there is a distinction, and it would matter to somebody who "identifies" as something other than their physical characteristics might indicate.
I get that people have the right to act the way they want to, but don't lie to yourselves or me, thanks. (Message pointed to those that would
Depending on what "gender" means to them, they may not see it as a lie.
If this was something that really bothered me, I'd probably want to look inw
and try to figure out why - and if I couldn't come up with a good reason, I'd
let it go. :D
erHylian wrote to All <=-
I saw this sign someone made that said "Genders are mental, not physical."
I don't want to stir the pot, but that sign is completely false in every way that matters.
Gender is and always will be physical. It specifically is in reference to what sexual organs you were born with.
Incorrect. You're describing sex, not gender. Sex is the physical - genitalia, chrmosomes, other physical characteristics. Most people are eith
are either male or female, but around one percent of the population is intersex
- having physical characteristics of both sexes, or neither.
Gender, OTOH is how you identify. People can identify as male or female (usually, but not necessarily the same as their physical sex). Some people identify as neither male or female, others as both, or may even have a fluid gender identity that varies. There's a lot of possibilities here.
... I hit the CTRL key but I'm still not in control!
Gender, OTOH is how you identify. People can identify as male or female (usually, but not necessarily the same as their physical sex). Some people identify as neither male or female, others as both, or may even have a fluid gender identity that varies. There's a lot of possibilities here.
well, since the dawn of man, people created a label for something so they can hate it easily.
can hate it easily. so gender queer etc etc etc have created a subgroup where everyone is wrong and they are right. there is a lot of hypocrisy. they want to be tollerated but wont be tollerant to others. it's an
i dont care if people are gay, but i also dont want them throwing it in my face. i dont throw my sexuality into other people's faces. i'll have sex
Gender is and always will be physical. It specifically is in reference to what sexual organs you were born with.
i dont believe in 64 different genders, either.I think 5 or 6 at the most 64 would be silly.
the problem is, the thing that bothers me most isn't the sexual thing (not pretending it doesn't bug me at all), but people who are dishonest.
even if the dishonesty isn't pointed directly at me.
If a guy wants to pretend he is a woman, that's his bit. But if he tries to pull one over on me and get me to believe it, that's when I am angered.
I guess it depends on how it's being thrown in your face. I think there's still a place for parades and such, because intolerance remains and acceptance isn't anywhere near universal. That said, there's an annual parade in this city which I never attend; the spectacle isn't to my taste, and I dislike parades and crowds in general, even if I have no problem with the cause.
(Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to give you a hard time. Also, full disclosure, I'm not actually a chicken.)
Re: Re: genders
By: Hylian to Vk3jed on Sun Feb 05 2017 18:45:04
I completely disagree, and using the word genetalia kind of makes my point, being it's root is genetals.
It's a bit tricky. Language is constantly changing, and words tend to mean what the majority of people (who use them often) agree that they mean at any given time.
To his point and mine I will say that when people use the word "gender" toda especially in the context of a sign like the one you saw - they're using it refer to concepts, identity, psychology, constructs, and not necessarily wan and hoo-haws.
If to you "gender" means the same thing in humans as it does in USB or D-subminiature connectors, then you're not at all wrong in disagreeing with sign you saw. Just realize that you're disagreeing with somebody who's speaking a similar but slightly different language than you are. :D
attention to it, like anything else. IMO it's not about throwing it in anyone's face, but rather people who feel that way want support from others who feel similarly, and they want to also provide support to others who feel similarly. Those who it doesn't pertain to don't have to pay
I've been deceived all this time about you supposedly being a chicken?? I don't know what I'm going to do now that I know the truth! ;)
(Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to give you a hard time. Also, full disclosure, I'm not actually a chicken.)
That's very much my take on it as well. However, I don't always know
what people mean by the "throwing it in their face" thing, which I've heard many times before. For all I know, they have some agitator in
their midst who brings it up on a daily basis and demands
acknowledgement, which would grow tiresome after a while.
I wonder what Archie Bunker would say about all this gender talk..
(Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to give you a hard time. Also,
full disclosure, I'm not actually a chicken.)
Re: genders-+-
By: echicken to Hylian on Sun Feb 05 2017 11:57 pm
(Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to give you a hard time. Also,
full disclosure, I'm not actually a chicken.)
Hylian wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I completely disagree, and using the word genetalia kind of makes my point, being it's root is genetals.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
that's how it became to be now, but thats not what it was.
echicken wrote to Mro <=-
I haven't seen this personally, but that could be a regional
difference. I get the impression that people want to describe
themselves in more specific terms than are covered by the broader
LGBTBBQ umbrella. I haven't run into any intolerance of myself as a heterosexual; at most, just reminders that I shouldn't assume this is
the default way of being.
i dont care if people are gay, but i also dont want them throwing it in my face. i dont throw my sexuality into other people's faces. i'll have sex
I guess it depends on how it's being thrown in your face. I think
there's still a place for parades and such, because intolerance remains and acceptance isn't anywhere near universal. That said, there's an annual parade in this city which I never attend; the spectacle isn't to
my taste, and I dislike parades and crowds in general, even if I have
no problem with the cause.
echicken wrote to Hylian <=-
If a guy wants to pretend he is a woman, that's his bit. But if he tries to pull one over on me and get me to believe it, that's when I am angered.
Well, I suppose if you slept with or married someone who turned out to
be not quite what they seemed, that might cause a reaction. I'm not
sure how often that happens. In pretty much any other day-to-day
interaction, I can't see this making much difference, and I can fully imagine why someone wouldn't want to have to announce this aspect of themselves to every new person they met.
People lie and withhold and misrepresent themselves in all kinds of different ways. This is just another dimension of the risk you take in trusting anyone or judging a book by its cover. Additionally, if
someone considers themselves to be a woman (in every way that matters
to them), are they really being deceitful in presenting themselves that way? Allowing of course for the fact that there are situations where
full disclosure really ought to be given (sex, marriage, trusted friendship).
(Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to give you a hard time. Also,
full disclosure, I'm not actually a chicken.)
echicken wrote to Hylian <=-
It's a bit tricky. Language is constantly changing, and words tend to mean what the majority of people (who use them often) agree that they
mean at any given time.
To his point and mine I will say that when people use the word "gender" today - especially in the context of a sign like the one you saw -
they're using it to refer to concepts, identity, psychology,
constructs, and not necessarily wangs and hoo-haws.
If to you "gender" means the same thing in humans as it does in USB or D-subminiature connectors, then you're not at all wrong in disagreeing with the sign you saw. Just realize that you're disagreeing with
somebody who's speaking a similar but slightly different language than
you are. :D
YOU'RE NOT?????
Stright people should be thankful they don't _need_ a parade, because
they don't have a need to stand up and be heard. Cisgender (fancy
Hylian wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I completely disagree, and using the word genetalia kind of makes my point, being it's root is genetals.
You're out of step with pretty much the rest of the community, especially the medical and LGBTIQ community.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
that's how it became to be now, but thats not what it was.
Science has come a long way in understanding sex and gender, as well as more people with experience out there willing to speak up.
Cisgender (fancy term meaning
one's gender conforms with their biological sex)
one's gender conforms with their biological sex) heterosexuality is society's default, and that's what you're assumed to be, unless you say otherwise.
I drive a lot of teenagers and early 20's around for my job, and I would say 95% of them are homosexual or bisexual. How do I know? THey continue to try to
"shock" me by making out in my taxi. I've seen it all.
Personally I believe at least 50% of them are not in fact homosexual or bisexual
but are just pretending to be to fit in at college / highschool.
I don't give a shit if someone is gay or straight, I'm just sick to death of hearing about sexuality in the news every single day of my life.
YOU'RE NOT?????
You replied to my message when you were actually quoting echicken..
I drive a lot of teenagers and early 20's around for my job, and I would say 95% of them are homosexual or bisexual. How do I know? THey continue to try to
"shock" me by making out in my taxi. I've seen it all.
Re: genders
By: Tiny to Vk3jed on Tue Feb 07 2017 10:04 am
I drive a lot of teenagers and early 20's around for my job, and I
would say 95% of them are homosexual or bisexual. How do I know?
THey continue to try to
"shock" me by making out in my taxi. I've seen it all.
i dont think it's some infallible force of the universe.
give 2 shits about your taxi or the 3 hours downtime it takes to clean up their mess will pay that clean up fee, or go to jail. I'ts backed by the "Theft of Services" statute, because you have to take at least 3 PEAK ours out of a 12 hour shift to clean their nasty.
So far I've only has to clean one mess up this way other times the acutal persom did it with some good music blarking of course, and the wiating tme
Re: Re: genders
By: Mro to Vk3jed on Tue Feb 07 2017 07:59 pm
i dont think it's some infallible force of the universe.
You're forgetting that many people worship science, and as an object of worship, it is not bound by the rules of mere mortals. Now, getting them to admit that they worship science is another matter.
So far I've only has to clean one mess up this way other times the
acutal persom did it with some good music blarking of course, and the
wiating tme
what if they refuse to pay? do you have a trained seagul named terry that shawn has to peck out their eyes?
You're forgetting that many people worship science, and as an object
of worship, it is not bound by the rules of mere mortals. Now, getting
them to admit that they worship science is another matter.
some people worship snopes and wikipedia too. the fools!
Re: Re: genders
By: Mro to Vk3jed on Tue Feb 07 2017 07:59 pm
i dont think it's some infallible force of the universe.
You're forgetting that many people worship science, and as an object of worship, it is not bound by the rules of mere mortals. Now, getting them to admit that they worship science is another matter.
what if they refuse to pay? do you have a trained seagul named terry
that shawn has to peck out their eyes?
what if they refuse to pay? do you have a trained seagul named terry
that shawn has to peck out their eyes?
Laugh, Terry has passed away or moved away damnit. I currently have no seagull friends at all. It's quite sad.
Re: genders
By: Tiny to Mro on Thu Feb 09 2017 07:18 am
what if they refuse to pay? do you have a trained seagul named terry
that shawn has to peck out their eyes?
Laugh, Terry has passed away or moved away damnit. I currently have no seagull friends at all. It's quite sad.
Uh, this was written to me afaik.. you get that mixed up a good bit don't you? although I have no problem with you replying to my questions, as long as you has some pretty productive answers, and that was a decent one :-)
Re: genders-+-
By: Nightfox to Knightmare on Tue Feb 07 2017 09:07 am
YOU'RE NOT?????
You replied to my message when you were actually quoting echicken..
he did the same to me, on a few different messages.. ??
--
this was written to you but t1ny is shawn and he had a seagull friend named terry. shawn also drives a cab.
You replied to my message when you were actually quoting echicken..
he did the same to me, on a few different messages.. ??
---+-
Well since it's never happened before my board starting acting up, I'll chalk it up to that. I'm pretty capable in quoting the right person.
what if they refuse to pay? do you have a trained seagul named
terry that shawn has to peck out their eyes?
Laugh, Terry has passed away or moved away damnit. I currentlyUh, this was written to me afaik.. you get that mixed up a good bit
have no seagull friends at all. It's quite sad.
It was but I"m the Shawn he was refering too. I had a seagull friend
who used to sleep beside my cab in the summer when it was slow a few years back.
Well since it's never happened before my board starting acting up, I'll chalk it up to that. I'm pretty capable in quoting the right person.
Re: genders
By: Tiny to KK4QBN on Fri Feb 10 2017 08:13 am
It was but I"m the Shawn he was refering too. I had a seagull friend who used to sleep beside my cab in the summer when it was slow a few years back.
Ive woke up with racoons and possums on or around the cab, never a seagull though :-)
Never said you was'nt capable of quoting the right person, just said it happened to me to.. so what happened? msg ids and reply ids get screwed up some how?-+-
You can also ensure you're replying to the correct person. I could tell you replied to my message because echicken's quote was double-quoted - I had quoted echicken, then you quoted my quote of echicken. You probably hit reply to my message, so by default the 'To' name in your reply was me.-+-
@VIA: ECBBS
I saw this sign someone made that said "Genders are mental, not physical."
I don't want to stir the pot, but that sign is completely false in every
way that matters.
Not necessarily. People tend to use the word "gender" rather than "sex" when
talking about identity and social concepts of masculinity and femininity, rather than brass-tacks things like penises and vaginas.
Gender is and always will be physical. It specifically is in reference to
what sexual organs you were born with.
When it comes down to biology, penises and vaginas, the word "sex" is used more
often than "gender".
I wonder what Archie Bunker would say about all this gender talk..
@VIA: CAPCITY2
I wonder what Archie Bunker would say about all this gender talk..
I think he and Edith would tell us that at the beginning of every episode:
"And you knew who you were then... girls were girls and men were men..."
:)
@VIA: CAPCITY2
(Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to give you a hard time. Also, full disclosure, I'm not actually a chicken.)
Dammit! I cannot tolerate someone posing as a chicken and then turing out not to be one. This is a most inconsiderate deception!
Now the mental picture of a chicken at a keyboard is forever tarnished. :D
Re: genders
By: echicken to Hylian on Sun Feb 05 2017 11:57 pm
(Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to give you a hard time. Also,
full disclosure, I'm not actually a chicken.)
Gender is and always will be physical. It specifically is in
reference to what sexual organs you were born with.
As compared to what sexual organs they presently have?
So, back to my original question. If someone had a sex change, would
their sex be what they was born as, or what they are presently? This is
important, as I'd feel really weired out, if I went to the restroom, and this person who had a vagina walked in.... Yet, I also can see where a woman would not feel comfortable in a restroom, knowing that one of the "Ladies" there may have been born a man. Which is why, sadly, we
probably need a set of restrooms for Men, Women, Transgendered Men, Transgendered Women. And, unfortuantely, this would also require the restrooms taking up 25% of the store's overall area.
I wonder what Archie Bunker would say about all this gender talk..
I think he and Edith would tell us that at the beginning of every episode:
"And you knew who you were then... girls were girls and men were men..."
:)
I wonder what Archie Bunker would say about all this gender talk..
I wonder what Archie Bunker would say about all this gender talk..
He'd probably mumble something incoherently under his alcohol-stinking breath inbetween beating Edith for not cooking his dinner properly.
I recall talking with someone about a gmae played on the ancient GEnie network, and the comment was along the lines, " Ahhh... GEnie where the men were men... and so were the women."
Re: genders
By: John Guillory to HEMO on Mon Feb 06 2017 01:10 am
I wonder what Archie Bunker would say about all this gender talk..
He'd probably mumble something incoherently under his alcohol-stinking breath inbetween beating Edith for not cooking his dinner properly.
Re: genders
By: John Guillory to HEMO on Mon Feb 06 2017 01:10 am
I wonder what Archie Bunker would say about all this gender talk..
He'd probably mumble something incoherently under his alcohol-stinking breath
inbetween beating Edith for not cooking his dinner properly.
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