• Cursive Handwriting

    From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to All on Tue Feb 28 20:16:59 2017
    My wife brought up an interesting subject today that I had discussed before with someone at work as well.

    There has been a trend in schools, lately, that cursive handwritting is no longer a required subject. I remember when I was in elementary school, I had to learn how to write in cursive and there are pratical reasons as to why (still applies to this day).

    Personally, I disagree that cursive handwriting should be excluded from schools and my wife thinks that it should be taught as well. Our reasoning is that signatures are required for various legal documents (loan applications, rental applications, credit card payments, closing on a house, etc.).

    However, I do see a trend to where we are slowly marching towards a paperless world/age, which I would love to see the day of. But right now, I see it as a transitional (deprecation?) event and more and more companies are accepting electronic signatures. When my kids grow up, I can see to where there will be very few places to where a signature is required; the requirement of a signature wouldn't be completely obsolete by then.

    Overall, I have heard cursive handwriting is becoming as obselete as caligraphy handwriting.

    What is everyone's thoughts on this?
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to jagossel on Tue Feb 28 22:51:00 2017
    Re: Cursive Handwriting
    By: jagossel to All on Tue Feb 28 2017 08:16 pm

    My wife brought up an interesting subject today that I had discussed before with someone at work as well.

    There has been a trend in schools, lately, that cursive handwritting is no longer a required subject. I remember when I was in elementary school, I had to learn how to write in cursive and there are pratical reasons as to why (still applies to this day).

    Personally, I disagree that cursive handwriting should be excluded from schools and my wife thinks that it should be taught as well. Our reasoning


    i have not written in cursive in maybe 15 years or more aside from my signature. i fill out govt paperwork all day long so it's best to have clear handwriting. i have met some people with beautiful cursive handwriting, but that's not going to happen with me. especially since i have broken both hands in the past.

    i dont care if they teach it in school. maybe do it for a week. i think they need to focus more on the metric system and get away from common core before anything else, though.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to jagossel on Wed Mar 1 13:16:25 2017
    There has been a trend in schools, lately, that cursive handwritting is no longer a required subject. I remember when I was in elementary school, I had to learn how to write in cursive and there are pratical reasons as to why (still applies to this day).

    Personally, I disagree that cursive handwriting should be excluded from schools and my wife thinks that it should be taught as well. Our reasoning is that signatures are required for various legal documents (loan applications, rental applications, credit card payments, closing on a house, etc.).

    What is everyone's thoughts on this?

    I've heard people say that many old documents (such as the US constitution, etc.) were written in cursive, so it would still be important for some people to be able to read such documents. I suppose that makes sense, but I think those documents could be re-typed in non-cursive. Other than that, I don't think cursive is very important. My 7th-grade English teacher told me to stop writing in cursive, because writing in cursive is slower (and he also said he had a hard time reading my cursive). He said it takes fewer strokes of the pen/pencil to write non-cursive, thus making it faster to write non-cursive.
    As far as signatures, it seems to me that most places will accept any scribble as a signature..

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Wed Mar 1 13:53:20 2017
    Re: Cursive Handwriting
    By: Nightfox to jagossel on Wed Mar 01 2017 01:16 pm

    My 7th-grade English teacher told me
    to stop writing in cursive, because writing in cursive is slower (and he also said he had a hard time reading my cursive). He said it takes fewer strokes of the pen/pencil to write non-cursive, thus making it faster to write non-cursive.

    Wow. I thought speed and fluidity was the *entire point* of cursive writing. Perhaps I thought wrong.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Digital Man on Wed Mar 1 18:29:22 2017
    Re: Cursive Handwriting
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Mar 01 2017 01:53 pm

    he also said he had a hard time reading my cursive). He said it takes
    fewer strokes of the pen/pencil to write non-cursive, thus making it
    faster to write non-cursive.

    Wow. I thought speed and fluidity was the *entire point* of cursive

    Agreed, this is the ONLY (other than purely cosmetic) advantage I would see over cursive, speed.. Just like shorthand.. Maybe His Teacher is just ignorant to that fact.. There is much I need to learn about Grammar, etc, But that is one thing I have always known, Cursive and Shorthand are quicker methods of writing.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Thu Mar 2 16:31:00 2017
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    Agreed, this is the ONLY (other than purely cosmetic) advantage I would see over cursive, speed.. Just like shorthand.. Maybe His Teacher is
    just ignorant to that fact.. There is much I need to learn about
    Grammar, etc, But that is one thing I have always known, Cursive and Shorthand are quicker methods of writing.

    Doesn't necessarily work that way once fine motor coordination issues become involved. I find cursive writing slower and more fatiguing, because of that unrelenting requirement to control the pen.


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  • From Jazzy_J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to jagossel on Thu Mar 2 05:30:00 2017
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    My wife brought up an interesting subject today that I had discussed before with someone at work as well.

    There has been a trend in schools, lately, that cursive handwritting is
    no longer a required subject. I remember when I was in elementary
    school, I had to learn how to write in cursive and there are pratical reasons as to why (still applies to this day).

    In Louisiana, there is a move to get cursive back into the curriculum.

    The lack of a workforce's ability to sign legal documents is causing problems.

    Leaders of industry and commerce are behind the movement.

    Even with electronic health records and others of the sort, many times a signature is still required, albeit a digitized one taken from an electronic tablet.

    Personally, I feel a signature gives you a chance to express your identity artistically. I worked hard on my signature growing up and have made minor variations of it over the years. I took some of the design from my mother and grandfather that I never met.

    I remain proud of my signature and ability to write in cursive.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Jazzy_J on Thu Mar 2 17:37:06 2017
    Re: Re: Cursive Handwriting
    By: Jazzy_J to jagossel on Thu Mar 02 2017 05:30 am

    artistically. I worked hard on my signature growing up and have made minor variations of it over the years. I took some of the design from my mother and grandfather that I never met.

    I remain proud of my signature and ability to write in cursive.



    i fill out so much paperwork, my signature is unrecognizable
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Digital Man on Thu Mar 2 18:49:00 2017
    Wow. I thought speed and fluidity was the *entire point* of cursive writing. Perhaps I thought wrong.

    I think if you are good at it, like it is legible, then it is. If you are
    like me, speed, fluidity, and legibility don't mix. :D




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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dumas Walker on Fri Mar 3 19:40:00 2017
    Dumas Walker wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Wow. I thought speed and fluidity was the *entire point* of cursive writing. Perhaps I thought wrong.

    I think if you are good at it, like it is legible, then it is. If you
    are like me, speed, fluidity, and legibility don't mix. :D

    Well, my signigature has a signficant random component, curtesy of my quirky motor neurons! :D


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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to jagossel on Fri Mar 3 11:06:33 2017
    Overall, I have heard cursive handwriting is becoming as obselete as caligraphy handwriting.

    Here in the province of Quebec, I would say they stopped around 20 years ago
    to teach it. I also think it's a great lost.

    I was used for speed and also I think it's more secure, it's harder to forge such a signature than just using cursive.

    I think the less we learn the dumber we get.

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  • From Chris@VERT/DMINE to jagossel on Sun Mar 26 14:35:38 2017
    Re: Cursive Handwriting
    By: jagossel to All on Tue Feb 28 2017 08:16 pm

    My wife brought up an interesting subject today that I had discussed before with someone at work as well.

    There has been a trend in schools, lately, that cursive handwritting is no longer a required subject. I remember when I was in elementary school, I ha to learn how to write in cursive and there are pratical reasons as to why (still applies to this day).

    I hate the fact that they've done this. I didn't realize they got away from cursive until I found out my nephew (now close to 30) wasn't taught it when he was growing up. My stepson had to sign his passport a few years ago and it was awkward trying to coach him through it because cursive was required but he was never taught it.
    I've been cursing the school system since. I know their are ways around it these days, but it seems like a stupid thing to remove from the curriculum.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Chris on Sun Mar 26 15:59:37 2017
    Re: Cursive Handwriting
    By: Chris to jagossel on Sun Mar 26 2017 02:35 pm

    no longer a required subject. I remember when I was in elementary school, I ha to learn how to write in cursive and there are pratical reasons as to why (still applies to this day).

    I hate the fact that they've done this. I didn't realize they got away from cursive until I found out my nephew (now close to 30) wasn't taught it when he was growing up. My stepson had to sign his passport a few years ago and it was awkward trying to coach him through it because cursive was required but he was never taught it.
    I've been cursing the school system since. I know their are ways around it these days, but it seems like a stupid thing to remove from the curriculum.



    i've worked for the medical field and govt related occupations. cant use cursive no matter how good your penmanship is. i havent wrote in cursive other than my signature in 20+ years
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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Mar 26 19:40:46 2017
    Re: Cursive Handwriting
    By: Mro to Chris on Sun Mar 26 2017 03:59 pm

    i've worked for the medical field and govt related occupations. cant use cursive no matter how good your penmanship is. i havent wrote in cursive other than my signature in 20+ years

    Yes, gotta love the very uniform BLOCK letters they want you to fill forms out with.

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to jagossel on Mon Mar 27 04:15:11 2017
    I am sure a signature doesn't need to be in cursive (mine isn't) and also it doesn't need to include your name (it just needs to be unique - true, your name is useually unique).

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Deavmi on Mon Mar 27 07:43:31 2017
    Re: Cursive Handwriting
    By: Deavmi to jagossel on Mon Mar 27 2017 04:15 am

    I am sure a signature doesn't need to be in cursive (mine isn't) and also it doesn't need to include your name (it just needs to be unique - true, your name is useually unique).

    I have one of the least unique names in the world, but my signature is VERY unique, one could only get my initials out of it. thats about it. but it is my signature :)

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to KK4QBN on Mon Mar 27 14:03:52 2017
    On 2017-03-27 01:43 PM, KK4QBN wrote:
    Re: Cursive Handwriting
    By: Deavmi to jagossel on Mon Mar 27 2017 04:15 am

    I am sure a signature doesn't need to be in cursive (mine isn't) and also
    it doesn't need to include your name (it just needs to be unique - true, your name is useually unique).

    I have one of the least unique names in the world, but my signature is VERY unique, one could only get my initials out of it. thats about it. but it is my
    signature :)

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    Yeah. What I mean to say is. Your name is more unique in the way it is
    written (even if the name itself is not unique) more so then people
    using the same symbol as a smiley face. Actually, I don't know.

    Nevermind, this is a not a topic for me.

    Just make it unique, whatever you write.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Mon Mar 27 22:38:21 2017
    Re: Cursive Handwriting
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Mar 26 2017 07:40 pm

    Re: Cursive Handwriting
    By: Mro to Chris on Sun Mar 26 2017 03:59 pm

    i've worked for the medical field and govt related occupations. cant use cursive no matter how good your penmanship is. i havent wrote in cursive other than my signature in 20+ years

    Yes, gotta love the very uniform BLOCK letters they want you to fill forms out with.



    well you gotta read what someone writes. some people have batshit handwriting.
    i broke both my hands so i write like a doctor on speed.
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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tue Mar 28 08:14:04 2017
    Re: Cursive Handwriting
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Mon Mar 27 2017 10:38 pm

    well you gotta read what someone writes. some people have batshit handwriting.
    i broke both my hands so i write like a doctor on speed.

    Same here, well not the broke hands.. but I have shitty handwriting. I really don't know why. I blame it on my teachers at school, it may sound strange, but my whole life I have not been able to stand the sound pencils and markers make. I still can't to the day and I started losing my hearing about 10 years ago.

    I tried using pens in school but the teachers woul'nt allow me (until later grades) I could get by doing the standardized tests because the pencil woul'nt make as much noise just feeling a bubble in. But my grades suffered because this affliction.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wed Mar 29 08:19:00 2017
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    Same here, well not the broke hands.. but I have shitty handwriting. I really don't know why. I blame it on my teachers at school, it may
    sound strange, but my whole life I have not been able to stand the
    sound pencils and markers make. I still can't to the day and I started losing my hearing about 10 years ago.

    With me, the issue turned out to be coordination issues that were unknown at the time. There's still some vestigal fine motor coordination issues now, enough to make handwriting fatiguing. I still managed to get through university somehow though - but last time I studied in 2012, I took notes on an iPad, which made it much easier to concentrate on the course content.

    My signature has a significant random component because of this too! :)


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