• Re: Recruit Me to a new B

    From xkoldfuzionx@VERT/ALKY to Nightfox on Tue Mar 7 21:42:00 2017
    Net Runner is probably the best out there. Has all these protocols an does an incredible job rendering ansi.

    Really? I have not been to impressed with it. The ansi's don't really show
    up all the time for me and it crashed on me. I haven't had any problems with SyncTerm.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to xkoldfuzionx on Tue Mar 7 20:12:07 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: xkoldfuzionx to Nightfox on Tue Mar 07 2017 09:42 pm

    Net Runner is probably the best out there. Has all these
    protocols an does an incredible job rendering ansi.

    Really? I have not been to impressed with it. The ansi's don't really show up all the time for me and it crashed on me. I haven't had any problems with SyncTerm.

    You should reply to the person who actually wrote that rather than me.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to xkoldfuzionx on Tue Mar 7 23:57:20 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: xkoldfuzionx to Nightfox on Tue Mar 07 2017 09:42 pm

    Net Runner is probably the best out there. Has all these protocols an does an incredible job rendering ansi.

    Really? I have not been to impressed with it. The ansi's don't really show up all the time for me and it crashed on me. I haven't had any problems


    it's always worked fine for me.
    maybe you dont have a new version or there's something wrong with
    your os
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  • From Hustler@VERT/DMINE to Mro on Wed Mar 8 08:38:33 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Mro to xkoldfuzionx on Tue Mar 07 2017 11:57 pm

    Net Runner is probably the best out there. Has all these
    protocols an does an incredible job rendering ansi.

    Really? I have not been to impressed with it. The ansi's don't
    really show up all the time for me and it crashed on me. I haven't

    it's always worked fine for me.
    maybe you dont have a new version or there's something wrong with
    your os

    Really? Maybe Net Runner just Sucks??

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to xkoldfuzionx on Wed Mar 8 10:46:14 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: xkoldfuzionx to Nightfox on Tue Mar 07 2017 09:42 pm

    Net Runner is probably the best out there. Has all these
    protocols an does an incredible job rendering ansi.

    Really? I have not been to impressed with it. The ansi's don't really show up all the time for me and it crashed on me. I haven't had any problems with SyncTerm.

    I can't get netrunner to even run for me. I love Syncterm, but I'm having issues with Zmodem uploads, so I'm using ZOC at the moment. A little pricy, but a very nice program.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Hustler on Wed Mar 8 18:56:25 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Hustler to Mro on Wed Mar 08 2017 08:38 am

    it's always worked fine for me.
    maybe you dont have a new version or there's something wrong with
    your os

    Really? Maybe Net Runner just Sucks??


    well it may suck but it's just a terminal program.

    what ansi screens cant it display and what error msg does it crash with.
    and what version are you running on what os?
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to DesotoFireflite on Wed Mar 8 19:05:00 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: DesotoFireflite to xkoldfuzionx on Wed Mar 08 2017 10:46 am

    Really? I have not been to impressed with it. The ansi's don't really show up all the time for me and it crashed on me. I haven't had any problems with SyncTerm.

    I can't get netrunner to even run for me. I love Syncterm, but I'm having issues with Zmodem uploads, so I'm using ZOC at the moment. A little pricy, but a very nice program.



    you guys give really bad information regarding your issues.

    what version netrunner
    what os are you running
    what hardware do you have
    what is your specific issue when you try to run it?

    i'm on an i72600k with 16gigs of ram on windows 7 64 and it runs
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to xkoldfuzionx on Wed Mar 8 20:01:55 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: xkoldfuzionx to Nightfox on Tue Mar 07 2017 09:42 pm

    Really? I have not been to impressed with it. The ansi's don't really show up all the time for me and it crashed on me. I haven't had any problems with SyncTerm.

    The full screen modes really rock compared to SyncTerm.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Mar 9 10:58:57 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Poindexter Fortran to xkoldfuzionx on Wed Mar 08 2017 08:01 pm

    The full screen modes really rock compared to SyncTerm.

    Whats wrong with Syncterm Fullscreen? and it freaked me out the other day, I had the volume on my linux computer down a bit, and was playing OOII2 On BBSlink and I thought I kept hearing sounds corresponding to events I was doing on the game (in fact I was) I forgot that OOII had sound, and had no idea syncterm supported that.. another + in my book.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to KK4QBN on Thu Mar 9 16:10:25 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: KK4QBN to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Mar 09 2017 10:58 am

    Whats wrong with Syncterm Fullscreen?

    Nothing, but Netrunner does font smoothing that rocks on a big monitor.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Mar 9 20:32:26 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Poindexter Fortran to KK4QBN on Thu Mar 09 2017 04:10 pm

    Whats wrong with Syncterm Fullscreen?

    Nothing, but Netrunner does font smoothing that rocks on a big monitor.

    Cool, I'll check it out.

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  • From xkoldfuzionx@VERT/ALKY to Nightfox on Thu Mar 9 21:14:00 2017
    You should reply to the person who actually wrote that rather than me.

    Haha, sorry, didn't realize people only read what was addressed to them
    rather than the entire base.

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  • From xkoldfuzionx@VERT/ALKY to Mro on Thu Mar 9 21:16:00 2017
    it's always worked fine for me.
    maybe you dont have a new version or there's something wrong with
    your os

    It very well could be something wrong with this OS. This laptop is a couple years old and I've been having some issues lately. I'm getting close to backing everything up and wiping it so I can finally make the switch to Linux.

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  • From spitlord@VERT/ALKY to Hustler on Sat Mar 11 12:34:00 2017
    Net Runner is probably the best out there. Has all these
    protocols an does an incredible job rendering ansi.

    Really? I have not been to impressed with it. The ansi's don't
    really show up all the time for me and it crashed on me. I haven't

    it's always worked fine for me.
    maybe you dont have a new version or there's something wrong with your os

    Really? Maybe Net Runner just Sucks??

    I have had ZERO problems with it. Ansi emulation, transfers, everything is intuitive and works. Maybe your attitude just sucks.

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  • From Bigbangnet@VERT/MTLGEEK to KK4QBN on Wed Mar 15 14:16:43 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: KK4QBN to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Mar 09 2017 10:58:57

    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Poindexter Fortran to xkoldfuzionx on Wed Mar 08 2017 08:01 pm

    The full screen modes really rock compared to SyncTerm.

    Whats wrong with Syncterm Fullscreen? and it freaked me out the other day, I had the volume on my linux computer down a bit, and was playing OOII2 On BBSlink and I thought I kept hearing sounds corresponding to events I was do on the game (in fact I was) I forgot that OOII had sound, and had no idea syncterm supported that.. another + in my book.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Bigbangnet on Wed Mar 15 15:22:53 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Bigbangnet to KK4QBN on Wed Mar 15 2017 02:16 pm

    Whats wrong with Syncterm Fullscreen? and it freaked me out the other
    day, I had the volume on my linux computer down a bit, and was playing
    OOII2 On BBSlink and I thought I kept hearing sounds corresponding to
    events I was do on the game (in fact I was) I forgot that OOII had
    sound, and had no idea syncterm supported that.. another + in my book.




    Eh? whats that sonny? Cannot hear ya, cat got your tongue?



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  • From Knightmare@VERT/P99BBS to Nightfox on Fri Mar 17 14:28:27 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: xkoldfuzionx to Nightfox on Tue Mar 07 2017 09:42 pm

    Really? I have not been to impressed with it. The ansi's don't really show up all the time for me and it crashed on me. I haven't had any problems with SyncTerm.
    -+-

    I agree, I've not too imoressed either with it. I also have had times where it just keeps crashing for no real reason. Syncedit has been nothing but super-stable and problem-free since insallation day.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Knightmare on Sat Mar 18 00:21:07 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Knightmare to Nightfox on Fri Mar 17 2017 02:28 pm

    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: xkoldfuzionx to Nightfox on Tue Mar 07 2017 09:42 pm

    Really? I have not been to impressed with it. The ansi's don't really show up all the time for me and it crashed on me. I haven't had any problems with SyncTerm.
    -+-

    I agree, I've not too imoressed either with it. I also have had times where it just keeps crashing for no real reason. Syncedit has been nothing but super-stable and problem-free since insallation day.



    what exactly are you talking about?
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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to CHRIS on Sun Mar 26 12:43:00 2017
    On 3/26/2017 2:32 PM, CHRIS wrote to KIRKMAN:


    I like that we have Dovenet but it is too bad that very few boards have anything in that way of an active local board. That used to be the charm of BBSing back in the day.
    -
    When internet service was more expensive people went towards the local
    systems because there was less cost and restrictions. With fiber taking
    over, its more difficult to have a classic bbs phone line anymore. The
    house i moved to, stripped the copper line out and now a classic POTS bbs
    cant be done.

    Maybe the idea is we should use the bbs as an auxiliary tool for groups
    such as a home owners association or a political club that might want to organize. There can be private local forums that could be utilized with the security by obscurity by using WINS or Synchronet.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Matthew Munson on Sun Mar 26 16:06:05 2017
    Re: RE: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Matthew Munson to CHRIS on Sun Mar 26 2017 12:43 pm


    I like that we have Dovenet but it is too bad that very few boards have anything in that way of an active local board. That used to be the charm of BBSing back in the day.
    -
    When internet service was more expensive people went towards the local systems because there was less cost and restrictions. With fiber taking over, its more difficult to have a classic bbs phone line anymore. The


    fiber isnt taking over, the lines were drawn many years ago. some areas might never get fiber due to negotiations between the providers.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Matthew Munson on Mon Mar 27 08:13:00 2017
    Matthew Munson wrote to CHRIS <=-

    When internet service was more expensive people went towards the local systems because there was less cost and restrictions. With fiber taking over, its more difficult to have a classic bbs phone line anymore. The house i moved to, stripped the copper line out and now a classic POTS
    bbs cant be done.

    Yeah, I'm going to lose my POTS line in a couple of months, when the infrastructure here gets upgraded. Some VoIP services can support modems. The best candidates are those which offer dialin numbers and where you can select the codec. uLaw or ALaw are the best candidates for POTS modems.

    Maybe the idea is we should use the bbs as an auxiliary tool for groups such as a home owners association or a political club that might want
    to organize. There can be private local forums that could be utilized
    with the security by obscurity by using WINS or Synchronet.

    There is a lot of scope to use BBSs like this. The humble BBS is a good replacement for some web forums, offering better choice in access methods.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Mon Mar 27 08:16:00 2017
    Mro wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

    fiber isnt taking over, the lines were drawn many years ago. some areas might never get fiber due to negotiations between the providers.

    Depends what country you live in. That might be the case in the US. Australia is in the middle of a national infrastructure replacement, and for most of us here, POTS lines will be a thing of history. For me, the option to change looks like it's 2 months away and around 18 months after that, it won't be possible to have a POTS line. With the DSL here being pretty ordinary (3Mbps download on a good day), I'll be switching ASAP.


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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to MRO on Sun Mar 26 01:53:00 2017
    fiber isnt taking over, the lines were drawn many years ago. some areas might
    never get fiber due to negotiations between the providers.
    In my neighborhood it did.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 26 19:46:40 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Mon Mar 27 2017 08:16 am

    fiber isnt taking over, the lines were drawn many years ago. some
    areas might never get fiber due to negotiations between the
    providers.
    Depends what country you live in. That might be the case in the US. Australia is in the middle of a national infrastructure replacement, and for most of us here, POTS lines will be a thing of history. For me, the option to change looks like it's 2 months away and around 18 months after that, it won't be possible to have a POTS line. With the DSL here being pretty ordinary (3Mbps download on a good day), I'll be switching ASAP.

    I live about 26 miles from some of the fastest internet speeds in the nation (Chattanooga) but we are stuck with Windstream (Overpriced unreliable) or Charter (priced better for speed, even more unreliable). It really sucks in a way living in a rural area. I will say that Windstream has been a lot more reliable and much quicker than a lot of customers it serves in North Georgia. so many peoples DSLAMS are so over taxed and the copper is so old that they only get a 1.X mbit downstream at best. so I will not complain too much.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Mon Mar 27 13:10:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I live about 26 miles from some of the fastest internet speeds in the nation (Chattanooga) but we are stuck with Windstream (Overpriced unreliable) or Charter (priced better for speed, even more unreliable).
    It really sucks in a way living in a rural area. I will say that Windstream has been a lot more reliable and much quicker than a lot of customers it serves in North Georgia. so many peoples DSLAMS are so
    over taxed and the copper is so old that they only get a 1.X mbit downstream at best. so I will not complain too much.

    The NBN here uses fixed wireless for rural areas, offering a maximum of 25 Mbps to customers. I've heard mixed reports, some people are reall happy with it, others are having issues (typically in black spots).

    In the bigger centres, some form of fibre is used, whether FTTN, FTTP or something in between. The original plan was FTTP all the way, but a change of government caused that to be scaled back to FTTN, but the pendulum is swinging the other way again. We're getting FTTN here, which should allow 100 Mbps.

    All providers are able to access the network, so that leaves plenty of choice. :)


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  • From Denn Gray@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 26 23:10:51 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Mon Mar 27 2017 08:16 am

    possible to have a POTS line. With the DSL here being pretty ordinary (3Mbp download on a good day), I'll be switching ASAP.

    Wow I guess Im lucky to have 25Mbps down and 12 Mbps up.

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  • From Denn Gray@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Mon Mar 27 00:33:48 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Denn Gray to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 26 2017 11:10 pm

    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Mon Mar 27 2017 08:16 am

    possible to have a POTS line. With the DSL here being pretty ordinary (3 download on a good day), I'll be switching ASAP.

    Wow I guess Im lucky to have 25Mbps down and 12 Mbps up.

    lol I meant to say my Down is 250 Mbps not 25 lol my bad

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to KK4QBN on Mon Mar 27 09:11:40 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 26 2017 07:46 pm

    serves in North Georgia. so many peoples DSLAMS are so over taxed and the copper is so old that they only get a 1.X mbit downstream at best. so I will not complain too much.

    Sounds like 2000 in the SF Bay Area. For a long time, DSL was the only broadband game in town; it took Comcast some time to catch up and take over. For the next half of the decade Comcast was faster, unless your neighbors were on at the same time, then they start villifying people actually *using* their service, and you were on a shared segment with the local users. Gentlemen, start your packet sniffers!

    I'm tempted to go back to a DSL reseller, the speeds are slower than cable, but I'd like to be able to have all my ports open and work with someone who'll work with the local exchange carrier on my behalf. Calling AT&T for support can be an exercise in futility.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Denn Gray on Tue Mar 28 08:37:00 2017
    Denn Gray wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    possible to have a POTS line. With the DSL here being pretty ordinary (3Mbp download on a good day), I'll be switching ASAP.

    Wow I guess Im lucky to have 25Mbps down and 12 Mbps up.

    Hopefully within 2 months I'll be up to 100/40, instead of 3/0.8. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Denn Gray on Tue Mar 28 08:38:00 2017
    Denn Gray wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Wow I guess Im lucky to have 25Mbps down and 12 Mbps up.

    lol I meant to say my Down is 250 Mbps not 25 lol my bad

    Nice, those speeds won't be available here for a long time. :(


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Matthew Munson on Mon Mar 27 22:37:20 2017
    Re: RE: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Matthew Munson to MRO on Sun Mar 26 2017 01:53 am

    fiber isnt taking over, the lines were drawn many years ago. some areas might
    never get fiber due to negotiations between the providers.
    In my neighborhood it did.


    well the lines werent drawn there
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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tue Mar 28 03:25:53 2017
    Re: RE: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Mro to Matthew Munson on Mon Mar 27 2017 10:37 pm

    Re: RE: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Matthew Munson to MRO on Sun Mar 26 2017 01:53 am

    fiber isnt taking over, the lines were drawn many years ago. some area
    s
    might
    never get fiber due to negotiations between the providers.
    In my neighborhood it did.


    well the lines werent drawn there

    Fiber. Ha. Who got time for that? I got a wifi link :).

    Just kidding. I would like faster Internet connection though

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  • From Chris@VERT/DMINE to Matthew Munson on Wed Apr 5 18:35:47 2017
    Re: RE: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Matthew Munson to CHRIS on Sun Mar 26 2017 12:43 pm

    over, its more difficult to have a classic bbs phone line anymore. The
    house i moved to, stripped the copper line out and now a classic POTS bbs cant be done.
    That's a sad sign of the times IMO.


    Maybe the idea is we should use the bbs as an auxiliary tool for groups
    such as a home owners association or a political club that might want to organize. There can be private local forums that could be utilized with the security by obscurity by using WINS or Synchronet.


    From a technical standpoint it's not a problem. I just think you're going to have a nearly impossible time trying to get anyone to buy in besides old-timers who used to do it in the heyday and young techies who are just curious. But I hope I'm ultimately wrong on that.

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  • From Chris@VERT/DMINE to Mro on Wed Apr 5 18:45:48 2017
    Re: RE: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Mro to Matthew Munson on Sun Mar 26 2017 04:06 pm


    fiber isnt taking over, the lines were drawn many years ago. some areas migh never get fiber due to negotiations between the providers.

    My city is one. We've actually had the mayor call out Verizon for basically being in cahoots with Comcast so they could control the pricing and competition.
    It's one of those things I don't think has technically been proven, but 'sounds' about right.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Matthew Munson on Wed Apr 5 19:35:32 2017
    Re: RE: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Matthew Munson to CHRIS on Sun Mar 26 2017 12:43 pm

    Maybe the idea is we should use the bbs as an auxiliary tool for groups such as a home owners association or a political club that might want to organize. There can be private local forums that could be utilized with the security by obscurity by using WINS or Synchronet.

    That would be cool, but I have a hard time picturing people in a club these days using a BBS, other than a computer-related club. People in a homeowner's association, political group, or whatever these days might not have the interest or knowhow to use a BBS in that fashion. On the other hand, a modern online (web-based) forum might serve such a purpose fairly well.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thu Apr 6 13:51:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

    That would be cool, but I have a hard time picturing people in a club these days using a BBS, other than a computer-related club. People in
    a homeowner's association, political group, or whatever these days
    might not have the interest or knowhow to use a BBS in that fashion.
    On the other hand, a modern online (web-based) forum might serve such a purpose fairly well.

    Therein lies the future of the BBS. I don't give a toss whether everyone else uses a web forum interface to access a messaging system, I don't want to be forced into it. I find they hinder my access to information, because of the cumulative effects of those little delays, and the clumsiness of navigation. I'm effectively locked out of many groups, because they rely on web forums, and I don't have the time and patience to wade through the system. Give me a BBS any day. :)


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Thu Apr 6 18:10:38 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Apr 06 2017 01:51 pm

    . Give me a BBS any day. :)

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  • From Chris@VERT/DMINE to Nightfox on Sun Apr 9 23:06:02 2017
    Re: RE: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Nightfox to Matthew Munson on Wed Apr 05 2017 07:35 pm

    That would be cool, but I have a hard time picturing people in a club these days using a BBS, other than a computer-related club. People in a homeowner association, political group, or whatever these days might not have the interest or knowhow to use a BBS in that fashion. On the other hand, a mode online (web-based) forum might serve such a purpose fairly well.

    Nightfox

    I agree they would likely be more inclined to use a web forum than a BBS. That said, my experience from hosting a few web forums is that even the activity there has been radically reduced because of FB, Twitter, etc. But I think they make a better option overall for these use cases if you can just get them to use it.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Chris on Mon Apr 10 16:17:00 2017
    Chris wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I agree they would likely be more inclined to use a web forum than a
    BBS. That said, my experience from hosting a few web forums is that
    even the activity there has been radically reduced because of FB, Twitter, etc. But I think they make a better option overall for these
    use cases if you can just get them to use it.

    Web forums still suck, I found them a retrograde step in terms of usability, compared to a BBS or even Facebook. At least Facebook has some clever client side scripting that takes some of the drudgery of navigation out of it.


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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Mon Apr 10 05:27:53 2017
    Web forums still suck, I found them a retrograde step in terms of usability, compared to a BBS or even Facebook. At least Facebook has some clever client side scripting that takes some of the drudgery of navigation out of it.

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    Discourse is awesome for a forum.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Chris on Mon Apr 10 10:07:53 2017
    Re: RE: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Chris to Nightfox on Sun Apr 09 2017 11:06 pm

    I agree they would likely be more inclined to use a web forum than a BBS. That said, my experience from hosting a few web forums is that even the activity there has been radically reduced because of FB, Twitter, etc. But I think they make a better option overall for these use cases if you can just get them to use it.

    I think web forums can often offer a good experience, if they have a focus. Facebook does let you create groups for certain topics, but IMO the format is not as good for discussions as web forum software such as vBulletin, XenForo, etc.

    Recently I discovered that IMDB decided to get rid of their forum feature because they thought people were using social media like Facebook, Twitter, etc. more often. I was disappointed to find that out, because I sometimes enjoyed discussing movies and TV shows on IMDB. I then discovered that there is a site that someone started up called moviechat.org, to replace the IMDB forums - Which I think is a sign that the IMDB forums were still useful to people.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mojo@VERT/MOJO to Nightfox on Mon Apr 10 15:57:46 2017
    Re: RE: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Nightfox to Chris on Mon Apr 10 2017 10:07 am

    Hi Nightfox,

    Recently I discovered that IMDB decided to get rid of their forum feature because they thought people were using social media like Facebook, Twitter, etc. more often. I was disappointed to find that out, because I sometimes enjoyed discussing movies and TV shows on IMDB. I then discovered that there is a site that someone started up called moviechat.org, to replace the IMDB forums - Which I think is a sign that the IMDB forums were still useful to people.


    Thanks for sharing this info on moviechat.org as I like to read them and sometimes I even leave messages in them.

    Mojo

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Deavmi on Tue Apr 11 07:38:00 2017
    Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Discourse is awesome for a forum.

    What makes it so awesome? I set a high par on performance and navigation. The reason I use offline mail today. Network latency, server performance (for online apps) and UI design are all critical. In other words, you're going to have to convice me. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tue Apr 11 07:52:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Chris <=-

    I think web forums can often offer a good experience, if they have a focus. Facebook does let you create groups for certain topics, but IMO
    the format is not as good for discussions as web forum software such as vBulletin, XenForo, etc.

    I find myself constantly fighting the general sluggishness and clumsy navigation. I can read a mail packet containing 100 messages (OK, more correctly, skim all, read the ones of interest) in the time it takes me to do the same with 10 messages on a forum, because of thespeed and navigation issues. Threading doesn't help, because my brain is a better thread tracker than any forum has (it can keep track of what threads are interesting or not, topic drift, etc). Facebook for me often works better, because more thread summaries are in front of me, reducing the need to switch pages.

    Recently I discovered that IMDB decided to get rid of their forum
    feature because they thought people were using social media like
    Facebook, Twitter, etc. more often. I was disappointed to find that
    out, because I sometimes enjoyed discussing movies and TV shows on
    IMDB. I then discovered that there is a site that someone started up called moviechat.org, to replace the IMDB forums - Which I think is a
    sign that the IMDB forums were still useful to people.

    One of many forums I've avoided, due to their high overheads for me. Most forums are effectively inaccessible to me, because of their performance and navigation issues, combined with the volume of posts.

    There is a reason I use offline mail here in an always online world. :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Mon Apr 10 17:02:16 2017
    There is a reason I use offline mail here in an always online world. :)

    Some web-based software can be slow, simply due to having to load data from a remote machine. I suppose I tend not to notice or mind it so much with an online forum, since that's just the nature of it. However, I don't like web-based versions of software that traditionally runs on a local machine - For instance, Google Docs vs. a document editor installed on the machine. Google Docs seems too slow for me, compared to editing a document locally. I've also used web-based test case & bug tracking software for work, and I've sometimes wished those had client software that could be used to edit results to send back to the server later so that I don't have to deal with server lag.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tue Apr 11 12:19:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Some web-based software can be slow, simply due to having to load data from a remote machine. I suppose I tend not to notice or mind it so

    And that is a major part of the problem!

    much with an online forum, since that's just the nature of it.

    Problem for me is hundreds of "a few seconds delay" adds up to several minutes or more very quickly, and in a way that just wastes time. Offline mail doesn't have this problem. Even over a slow modem, you could simply wander off and do something else while your mail packet downloaded in one hit (all delays, even if larger were consolidated into one big block).

    However, I don't like web-based versions of software that traditionally runs on a local machine - For instance, Google Docs vs. a document
    editor installed on the machine. Google Docs seems too slow for me, compared to editing a document locally. I've also used web-based test case & bug tracking software for work, and I've sometimes wished those
    had client software that could be used to edit results to send back to
    the server later so that I don't have to deal with server lag.

    I actually find Google Docs to have less speed issues than web forums, because I'm not trying to do as much moving of data in a short space of time over the network. It's the sheer volume of page loads that kills web forums for me.


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  • From Chris@VERT/DMINE to Vk3jed on Thu Apr 13 19:28:05 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Vk3jed to Chris on Mon Apr 10 2017 04:17 pm

    Web forums still suck, I found them a retrograde step in terms of usability, compared to a BBS or even Facebook. At least Facebook has some clever clien side scripting that takes some of the drudgery of navigation out of it.


    ... The nicest thing about growing older is that it takes such a long time.

    Compared to BBS' and the old text based information services, yeah web forums will never match up.

    Facebook on the other hand, I would never want to use that for the same purpose as a web forum. People use it a ton, but I find it lacking for threaded discussion. It's just not designed to be used like a forum.

    The dependency of course is what software is used for the web forum. If the platform sucks than yeah, it can be pretty unusable. The one I use has a framed layout which does a great job of laying out the threads.


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  • From Chris@VERT/DMINE to Nightfox on Thu Apr 13 19:33:42 2017
    Re: RE: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Nightfox to Chris on Mon Apr 10 2017 10:07 am

    Recently I discovered that IMDB decided to get rid of their forum feature because they thought people were using social media like Facebook, Twitter, etc. more often. I was disappointed to find that out, because I sometimes enjoyed discussing movies and TV shows on IMDB. I then discovered that ther is a site that someone started up called moviechat.org, to replace the IMDB forums - Which I think is a sign that the IMDB forums were still useful to people.

    Nightfox


    Regarding IMDB, I agree. I was suprised when I saw that. I almost always went right to the forum to see what people were griping about on the movie.

    People can do discussions on Facebook, but as you mentioned, it's just not the platform for the sort of discussions web forums can host. Facebook is based on the individual (yeah they provide groups now I know), forums are better for things that are topical IMO. FB is better for quick short statements. Any more than that is just an unreadable wall of text.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Chris on Fri Apr 14 11:21:00 2017
    Chris wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Compared to BBS' and the old text based information services, yeah web forums will never match up.

    No argument there. :)

    Facebook on the other hand, I would never want to use that for the
    same purpose as a web forum. People use it a ton, but I find it lacking for threaded discussion. It's just not designed to be used like a
    forum.

    The dependency of course is what software is used for the web forum.
    If the platform sucks than yeah, it can be pretty unusable. The one I
    use has a framed layout which does a great job of laying out the
    threads.

    In my world, threading is overrated. I am better able to reconstruct threads in my head (including forking, crossovers and other oddities) than any forum can. The upside is with enough hints (quotes or previous posts), I can quickly re-establish context. The down side is it requires the ability to process messages rapidly, because I at least need to skim every message, and that's where web forums really fall down for me.


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  • From Chris@VERT/DMINE to Vk3jed on Sun Apr 16 23:38:22 2017
    Re: Re: Recruit Me to a new B
    By: Vk3jed to Chris on Fri Apr 14 2017 11:21 am

    In my world, threading is overrated. I am better able to reconstruct thread

    It's almost a requirement for me. I just grew up on it and it's real hard to adjust to anything else. I have used more flat formats and it does help when quotes are used effectively, but threading feels more natural.

    I was a member of The Well recently. I cancelled a month ago after having been using it (lightly) for a few months. I liked it, but they use a flat message conferencing system which I had a hard time getting used to.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Chris on Mon Apr 17 17:38:00 2017
    Chris wrote to Vk3jed <=-
    In my world, threading is overrated. I am better able to reconstruct thread

    It's almost a requirement for me. I just grew up on it and it's real
    hard to adjust to anything else. I have used more flat formats and it
    does help when quotes are used effectively, but threading feels more natural.

    Yeah, it is natural, but doesn't allow for human nature. As I said, my brain does threading much better than any online system. :) Just wish that code could be ported to a computer based messaging system. :)

    I was a member of The Well recently. I cancelled a month ago after
    having been using it (lightly) for a few months. I liked it, but they
    use a flat message conferencing system which I had a hard time getting used to.

    I can get used to a lot of formatting, it's online performance that matters. I have a hard time dealing with anything that's sluggish. There are also some navigation issues as well. Facebook has an annoying feature of resetting its notification list when a new notification comes in. That means I spend more time scrolling through the list than reading posts sometimes, again exacerbated by the fact the browser is coupled to the network. (arrrgh!).


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