• Well, well, well.....

    From Roalt@VERT to All on Wed Mar 8 17:19:01 2017
    Been too long away from social networking 1.0 (BBSing).... just decided to check out the "scene", and was horrifically disappointed - but, at the same time... I'm a bit overjoyed. Fewer boards available means better chance of having a decent userbase, if I were to return as a SysOp. I have toyed a bit with Synch running on ReactOS in a VirtualBox VM - no issues. Now, I'm on the threshold of setting it up on a live system, to see how it fares. I still have the old system archived, so I can take bits and pieces from there, and build a better system - if I decide to.

    Anyway, how the hell is everyone??
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Roalt on Wed Mar 8 21:16:14 2017
    Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Roalt to All on Wed Mar 08 2017 05:19 pm

    Been too long away from social networking 1.0 (BBSing).... just decided to check out the "scene", and was horrifically disappointed - but, at the same time... I'm a bit overjoyed. Fewer boards available means better chance of having a decent userbase, if I were to return as a SysOp. I have toyed a bit with Synch running on ReactOS in a VirtualBox VM - no issues. Now, I'm on the threshold of setting it up on a live system, to see how it fares. I still have the old system archived, so I can take bits and pieces from there, and build a better system - if I decide to.


    you should probably run ubuntu. bbses have dwindled and our most active users are dvr botnets now ;[
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  • From Lord Time@VERT/TIME to Roalt on Wed Mar 8 18:29:51 2017
    Been too long away from social networking 1.0 (BBSing).... just decided to check out the "scene", and was horrifically disappointed - but, at the same time... I'm a bit overjoyed. Fewer boards available means better chance of having a decent userbase, if I were to return as a SysOp. I have toyed a bit with Synch running on ReactOS in a VirtualBox VM - no issues. Now, I'm on the threshold of setting it up on a live system, to see how it fares. I still have the old system archived, so I can take bits and pieces from there, and build a better system - if I decide to.


    I remember you (if I am right), I knew your aka, had to go looking, your the sysop of Mental Meltdown!

    Anyway, how the hell is everyone??

    fine


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    Lord Time SysOp of
    Time Warp of the Future BBS
    Telnet://Time.Darktech.Org:24 or
    Telnet://Time.Synchro.Net:24 (qwk or ftn & e-mail)
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  • From Hylian@VERT to Roalt on Wed Mar 8 20:12:56 2017
    Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Roalt to All on Wed Mar 08 2017 05:19 pm

    Been too long away from social networking 1.0 (BBSing).... just decided to check out the "scene", and was horrifically disappointed - but, at the same time... I'm a bit overjoyed. Fewer boards available means better chance of having a decent userbase, if I were to return as a SysOp. I have toyed a bit with Synch running on ReactOS in a VirtualBox VM - no issues. Now, I'm on th threshold of setting it up on a live system, to see how it fares. I still ha the old system archived, so I can take bits and pieces from there, and build better system - if I decide to.

    Anyway, how the hell is everyone??

    yikes, reactos is a jigsaw puzzle of non functionality...
    non buyer beware unfortunately..
    -Denny
    Denny's Computers - "Not profit seeking" PC Repair - http://dpccom.blogspot.com ---
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Hylian on Thu Mar 9 19:56:12 2017
    Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Hylian to Roalt on Wed Mar 08 2017 08:12 pm

    Anyway, how the hell is everyone??

    yikes, reactos is a jigsaw puzzle of non functionality...
    non buyer beware unfortunately..

    yeah i looked at it a few times. seemed very non functional.
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  • From spitlord@VERT/ALKY to Roalt on Sat Mar 11 12:40:00 2017
    Been too long away from social networking 1.0 (BBSing).... just decided
    to check out the "scene", and was horrifically disappointed - but, at
    the same time... I'm a bit overjoyed. Fewer boards available means
    better chance of having a decent userbase.

    Welcome back. I just came back last week; I'm thinking there may be a mass exodus from the normal civilian internet in the coming months I am also working on putting up a board, but the one I used to run is LONG gone.

    Anyway, how the hell is everyone??

    Baked AF.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io
  • From Johann Wahnsinnig@VERT/MMBBS1 to Mro on Sat Mar 11 23:40:04 2017
    Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Roalt on Wed Mar 08 2017 09:16 pm

    Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Roalt to All on Wed Mar 08 2017 05:19 pm

    you should probably run ubuntu. bbses have dwindled and our most active users are dvr botnets now ;[

    I thought about that, but I went with what I know. XP. But I definitely saw (didn't take long after opening up my ports) what you mean.

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  • From Johann Wahnsinnig@VERT/MMBBS1 to Lord Time on Sat Mar 11 23:40:48 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Lord Time to Roalt on Wed Mar 08 2017 06:29 pm

    I remember you (if I am right), I knew your aka, had to go looking, your the sysop of Mental Meltdown!

    Anyway, how the hell is everyone??

    fine

    Yessir, that is I... er .... me.

    :)

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  • From Johann Wahnsinnig@VERT/MMBBS1 to Hylian on Sat Mar 11 23:41:23 2017
    Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Hylian to Roalt on Wed Mar 08 2017 08:12 pm

    yikes, reactos is a jigsaw puzzle of non functionality...
    non buyer beware unfortunately..

    Agreed. It has potential, but no kinetic.

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  • From Johann Wahnsinnig@VERT/MMBBS1 to spitlord on Sat Mar 11 23:43:13 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: spitlord to Roalt on Sat Mar 11 2017 12:40 pm

    Welcome back. I just came back last week; I'm thinking there may be a mass exodus from the normal civilian internet in the coming months I am also working on putting up a board, but the one I used to run is LONG gone.


    I had mine backed up. But I wish to implement my changes into a fresh install. It's not gonna be easy.

    Anyway, how the hell is everyone??

    Baked AF.

    Sounds pleasant! :)

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Roalt on Sun Mar 12 18:16:10 2017

    Anyway, how the hell is everyone??

    Good and welcome back :-)

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Mro on Sun Mar 12 18:21:07 2017
    you should probably run Ubuntu. bbses have dwindled and our most active users are dvr botnets now ;[

    Yes, most enthusiast users would install a board themselves. I have maybe 4 actives users and count myself lucky :-D ( and one is preparing is own bbs )

    Back them affording a dedicated land line made this hobby prohibitive.

    But in a way I can only praise Rob to make his system so accessible, it a
    great learning tool even if you don't compile it yourself it enable a lot of people to lean about internet routing etc.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Hylian on Sun Mar 12 18:31:58 2017
    yikes, reactos is a jigsaw puzzle of non functionality...
    non buyer beware unfortunately..

    It's a work in progress, I'm sure it'll get great in the future, hear that the latest release is kind of OK. Was going to download it and try it on my vm server.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Ennev on Sun Mar 12 20:20:25 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Ennev to Mro on Sun Mar 12 2017 06:21 pm

    Yes, most enthusiast users would install a board themselves. I have maybe 4 actives users and count myself lucky :-D ( and one is preparing is own bbs )

    Back them affording a dedicated land line made this hobby prohibitive.


    maybe it was a filter that enabled the people that were really into it to run a system. now anybody can run the setup and let it rot.
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  • From Lord Time@VERT/TIME to Johann Wahnsinnig on Sun Mar 12 16:18:50 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Lord Time to Roalt on Wed Mar 08 2017 06:29 pm

    I remember you (if I am right), I knew your aka, had to go looking, your the sysop of Mental Meltdown!

    Anyway, how the hell is everyone??

    fine

    Yessir, that is I... er .... me.

    :)

    I thought so :)



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    Lord Time SysOp of
    Time Warp of the Future BBS
    Telnet://Time.Darktech.Org:24 or
    Telnet://Time.Synchro.Net:24 (qwk or ftn & e-mail)
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  • From Roalt@VERT/MMBBS1 to Ennev on Sun Mar 12 19:11:45 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Ennev to Roalt on Sun Mar 12 2017 06:16 pm


    Anyway, how the hell is everyone??

    Good and welcome back :-)

    Sounds awesome! :) Thanks ....

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Mro on Mon Mar 13 09:42:32 2017
    maybe it was a filter that enabled the people that were really into it to run a system. now anybody can run the setup and let it rot.

    This is the bit of the case right now. I would be curious to see the start of how many system that stay up for more than a year.

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  • From spitlord@VERT/ALKY to Johann Wahnsinnig on Mon Mar 13 12:32:00 2017
    I had mine backed up. But I wish to implement my changes into a fresh install. It's not gonna be easy.

    I wish yuo nothing but smooth sailing and good luck in your venture.

    Baked AF.
    Sounds pleasant! :)

    Care to join?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io
  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Ennev on Mon Mar 13 19:09:46 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Ennev to Mro on Mon Mar 13 2017 09:42 am

    maybe it was a filter that enabled the people that were really into it to run a system. now anybody can run the setup and let it rot.

    This is the bit of the case right now. I would be curious to see the start of how many system that stay up for more than a year.



    now any lame ass runs a setup can run a bbs. i dont think what we have now is the cream of the crop.
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  • From Roalt@VERT/MMBBS1 to Ennev on Sun Mar 12 17:49:31 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Ennev to Mro on Mon Mar 13 2017 09:42 am

    run a system. now anybody can run the setup and let it rot.

    This is the bit of the case right now. I would be curious to see the start o how many system that stay up for more than a year.

    Such has been the case since 1998, to be truthful. I have even been guilty of letting my system "self-admin" for over a year. And then the domain I was using got bought and redirecting to malware. I eventually logged in, saw user complaints, and decided I was too busy to run a board. So, I took it down. For now, I will run my system privately, and see if my interest wanes too much to keep it up before I open the gates.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Mon Mar 13 20:01:16 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Ennev on Mon Mar 13 2017 07:09 pm

    start of how many system that stay up for more than a year.

    now any lame ass runs a setup can run a bbs. i dont think what we have now is the cream of the crop.

    Yeah, especially ones that have to down others for wanting to relive some of their past, now that it is very cheap to do also. sometimes I believe those types of people like to do the crap they do just to cover up their insecurities.

    --

    Tim Smith (KK4QBN)
    KK4QBN BBS

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  • From Roalt@VERT/MMBBS1 to Mro on Sun Mar 12 19:48:24 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Ennev on Mon Mar 13 2017 07:09 pm

    run a system. now anybody can run the setup and let it rot.

    This is the bit of the case right now. I would be curious to see the star of how many system that stay up for more than a year.


    now any lame ass runs a setup can run a bbs. i dont think what we have now the cream of the crop.

    truth!

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Mro on Tue Mar 14 11:08:55 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Ennev on Mon Mar 13 2017 07:09 pm

    now any lame ass runs a setup can run a bbs. i dont think what we have now is the cream of the crop.

    People said the same thing when you didn't have to hand-hack the software and hardware.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Mar 14 16:14:59 2017
    People said the same thing when you didn't have to hand-hack the software and hardware.

    For me it's not about the technical prowess, it's more about the dedication, knowing that at first users won't come flooding.

    You need to put the time and reliability, but it's frustrating as a user to have to start from scratch because out of the blue the system you where just
    go dark.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Tue Mar 14 19:17:53 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Mon Mar 13 2017 08:01 pm

    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Ennev on Mon Mar 13 2017 07:09 pm

    start of how many system that stay up for more than a year.

    now any lame ass runs a setup can run a bbs. i dont think what we have now is the cream of the crop.

    Yeah, especially ones that have to down others for wanting to relive some of their past, now that it is very cheap to do also. sometimes I believe those types of people like to do the crap they do just to cover up their insecurities.


    i'm not insecure, it's just bad for bbsing as a whole when there's bbses out there that are bland with zero changes. some even have the name sysop.
    a new user visits it for a minute, looks around and then never visits a bbs again.

    back in the day when you had to dedicate a phoneline to a bbs, that pretty much ensured you had someone that was really going to devote something to it. they changed the menus, had files and had a personal relationship with their users.

    those days are gone now. now it's just people who "run it for themselves", but still end up taking it down for the reason that they had no users.

    ah well, nothing lasts forever.
    it's just sad to see things drag on like this.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Mar 14 19:19:42 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Mro on Tue Mar 14 2017 11:08 am

    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Ennev on Mon Mar 13 2017 07:09 pm

    now any lame ass runs a setup can run a bbs. i dont think what we have now is the cream of the crop.

    People said the same thing when you didn't have to hand-hack the software and hardware.


    there was probably some truth to it.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Tue Mar 14 20:00:42 2017
    back in the day when you had to dedicate a phoneline to a bbs, that pretty much ensured you had someone that was really going to devote something to it. they changed the menus, had files and had a personal relationship with their users.

    Maybe there's some truth to that, but I'm not sure how much difference a dedicated phone line makes vs. an internet connection. Maybe the software shoulf be easier to mod somehow? I know Synchronet isn't necessarily the easiest for people (and it sounds like Mystic is popular for modding). Of course, with fewer BBSes these days, there are also fewer mod developers and fewer mods available for sysops to choose from for modern BBS packages.

    Nightfox

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Mro on Wed Mar 15 08:43:29 2017
    back in the day when you had to dedicate a phoneline to a bbs, that pretty much ensured you had someone that was really going to devote something to it. they changed the menus, had files and had a personal relationship with their users.

    those days are gone now. now it's just people who "run it for themselves", but still end up taking it down for the reason that they had no users.

    ah well, nothing lasts forever.
    it's just sad to see things drag on like this.

    When I started my first bbs in the 1980's ( around 83/84 ) I've kept it up until 1988 when I have to move into an area where you still had shared phone lines because the demand for news lines was too big. So I could not operate one. Back to the main story, i was printing and putting up posters in every computer stores, grocery stores etc. Back then people where using mostly
    trs-80 but i managed to have around 30 users.

    Later around the 2000 i had another board for a couple of years, hardware
    broke up and slaked to bring it back, still had the hardrive (5 gig hd wow ) but was windows 2000 based.

    Back in the 2000 i think you need to bring something different.

    Had and still operate my TWGS with a few regular users playing everyday. I had more players back then, but still have a few. Some are even new to the game
    and are learning.

    But I think we have to break our mentalities that "if we build it, they will come" I think we need to educate and promote more widely. Retro gaming craze
    is at it's peak this is an opportunity for us.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Nightfox on Wed Mar 15 08:54:37 2017

    Maybe there's some truth to that, but I'm not sure how much difference a dedicated phone line makes vs. an internet connection. Maybe the software shoulf be easier to mod somehow? I know Synchronet isn't necessarily the easiest for people (and it sounds like Mystic is popular for modding). Of course, with fewer BBSes these days, there are also fewer mod developers
    and fewer mods available for sysops to choose from for modern BBS packages.

    What I beleive that Synchro bring, but I haven't tried Mystic so i'm just talking from that perspective. Maybe Synchro is harder to customize but i beleive a lot or "real world" skills since you can do it with javascript which nowadays if used in a lot if not most of the web technologies.

    Its complexity make it more flexibles i think.

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Mro on Wed Mar 15 07:52:55 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Tue Mar 14 2017 07:17 pm

    back in the day when you had to dedicate a phoneline to a bbs, that pretty much ensured you had someone that was really going to devote something to it. they changed the menus, had files and had a personal relationship with their users.

    those days are gone now. now it's just people who "run it for themselves", but still end up taking it down for the reason that they had no users.

    ah well, nothing lasts forever.
    it's just sad to see things drag on like this.

    It's true, we have a lot of new sysops out their, but we all were new at one time or another. It is sad, that some are lazy, and don't even change the stock menus, or experiment with new things. My feeling is, that if you are going to go to the trouble to start a bbs, make it your own, play with it, experiment with it. It's a hobby, and if your not going to give it your time, don't even start it up, as I guarentee, it will take time, and energy to make it a quality system, and different from the others. If you are running a BBS to attract a large userbase like the old days, forget about it, it's not going to happen, but if your doing it because you like to be different, and have pride in a job well done, I can't think of a better hobby if you like computers. I run 2 systems, one new school, and one old school, and I learn something different everyday. It feels good to resurect an old software that has been dead for 20 years, bring it back to life, and make it work in todays world. The great part is the original programmer saw what was happening, and he is back on board to bring the software back better than it ever was before. It's an awesome feeling to be part of that. Their are always going to be fly by night systems, they existed back in the day, and they exist now, but their are still a lot of diehard sysops out here that care, and they are the ones that will keep this hobby alive and well. Yeah, I threw in the towel last year, cos I got fed up with it, and all the bullshit that goes with it, and my partner was always on my case, but then I realized, I've run this system since 1991, and I was proud of it, and no one was going to take that away from me. The only thing I can say or give to the other sysops, new and old, is have fun with it, make it your own, and stop worrying what others say about your system. If you like it, and are proud of it, be happy. If you are not proud of it, get to work, and make it better. It's a great life guys and girls, if you don't weaken :)

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ennev on Wed Mar 15 08:53:43 2017
    What I beleive that Synchro bring, but I haven't tried Mystic so i'm just talking from that perspective. Maybe Synchro is harder to customize but i beleive a lot or "real world" skills since you can do it with javascript which nowadays if used in a lot if not most of the web technologies.

    Its complexity make it more flexibles i think.

    I agree, Synchronet provides a lot of flexibility, which is one of the reasons I run Synchronet.

    Nightfox

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  • From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to Ennev on Wed Mar 15 14:29:37 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Ennev to Mro on Wed Mar 15 2017 08:43 am

    But I think we have to break our mentalities that "if we build it, they will come" I think we need to educate and promote more widely. Retro gaming craze is at it's peak this is an opportunity for us.

    I will agree that there has been a recent spark of interest in retrogamimg, but I would like to add that there seems to be an interest in retrotechnology (which, I guess is a natural occurance: need retro hardware for retrogamming). I never would have thought that I would heard the term, "period-specific hardware."

    Well, let's give it some time and see if there will be interest in BBSes. I noticed a few new users posting on DOVE-net in the past month.
    -jag
    Code it, script it, automate it!

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Mar 15 17:10:08 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Tue Mar 14 2017 08:00 pm

    back in the day when you had to dedicate a phoneline to a bbs, that pretty much ensured you had someone that was really going to devote something to it. they changed the menus, had files and had a personal relationship with their users.

    Maybe there's some truth to that, but I'm not sure how much difference a dedicated phone line makes vs. an internet connection. Maybe the software


    there's a huge difference. you had to get the extra line, you had to pay the bill. you had to be dedicated to doing it. didnt you run a bbs back then?

    course, with fewer BBSes these days, there are also fewer mod developers and fewer mods available for sysops to choose from for modern BBS packages.

    people used to mod their own bbses.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Ennev on Wed Mar 15 17:11:46 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Ennev to Mro on Wed Mar 15 2017 08:43 am

    But I think we have to break our mentalities that "if we build it, they will come" I think we need to educate and promote more widely. Retro gaming craze is at it's peak this is an opportunity for us.


    i spent about 15 years or more promoting bbsing and it boiled down to the fact that most people dont want what we have. they are happy with what they are doing on the internet.

    the most you can do is rope some nerd in saying its retro and then he'll visit a few times.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Ennev on Wed Mar 15 17:12:51 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Ennev to Nightfox on Wed Mar 15 2017 08:54 am

    What I beleive that Synchro bring, but I haven't tried Mystic so i'm just talking from that perspective. Maybe Synchro is harder to customize but i beleive a lot or "real world" skills since you can do it with javascript which nowadays if used in a lot if not most of the web technologies.



    javascript with synchronet is real complicated for the average joe.
    baja is kinda complicated too. BUT.. you dont need to do any of that really. you can run it like a bbs and add doorgames, files, msgs and change the screens.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to jagossel on Wed Mar 15 17:13:58 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: jagossel to Ennev on Wed Mar 15 2017 02:29 pm

    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Ennev to Mro on Wed Mar 15 2017 08:43 am

    But I think we have to break our mentalities that "if we build it, they will come" I think we need to educate and promote more widely. Retro gaming craze is at it's peak this is an opportunity for us.

    I will agree that there has been a recent spark of interest in retrogamimg, but I would like to add that there seems to be an interest in


    i think the belief that there's a recent spark in retro gaming is just a perspective that some people have. it comes and goes. it has done this for many years.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Wed Mar 15 17:02:55 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Wed Mar 15 2017 05:10 pm

    Maybe there's some truth to that, but I'm not sure how much difference
    a dedicated phone line makes vs. an internet connection. Maybe the
    software

    there's a huge difference. you had to get the extra line, you had to pay the bill. you had to be dedicated to doing it. didnt you run a bbs back then?

    Yes, I ran a BBS back then. These days though, I don't feel any less motivated to mod my BBS just because it's on the internet rather than a phone line. I could see how a new BBS sysop these days might not be as motivated though.

    course, with fewer BBSes these days, there are also fewer mod
    developers and fewer mods available for sysops to choose from for
    modern BBS packages.

    people used to mod their own bbses.

    Yes, but there are a couple ways to mod one's BBS - Writing their own mods, or installing mods written by other sysops. Even back in the day, there were mods made available to other sysops. Browsing archives.thebbs.org will show many old mods for various BBS software.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Wed Mar 15 17:07:26 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Ennev on Wed Mar 15 2017 05:12 pm

    javascript with synchronet is real complicated for the average joe.
    baja is kinda complicated too. BUT.. you dont need to do any of that really. you can run it like a bbs and add doorgames, files, msgs and change the screens.

    IMO, I think it can also be good to change the menu contents a bit, in addition to just changing the screens. With Synchronet that can be somewhat complicated because it requires scripting (with JavaScript or Baja). Other BBS packages use a menu editor to change the menu actions, which would be easier for sysops who don't have experience in scripting/programming.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Mar 15 22:29:37 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Wed Mar 15 2017 05:07 pm

    IMO, I think it can also be good to change the menu contents a bit, in addition to just changing the screens. With Synchronet that can be somewhat complicated because it requires scripting (with JavaScript or Baja). Other BBS packages use a menu editor to change the menu actions, which would be easier for sysops who don't have experience in scripting/programming.



    but with baja it's easy to figure out how to change or add a menu item

    cmdkey a
    command
    end_cmd

    then you look in baja.doc for the lists of commands you can do.
    it's easy for a beginner to pick that up.
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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Thu Mar 16 00:23:35 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Wed Mar 15 2017 10:29 pm

    somewhat complicated because it requires scripting (with JavaScript or
    Baja). Other BBS packages use a menu editor to change the menu
    actions, which would be easier for sysops who don't have experience in
    but with baja it's easy to figure out how to change or add a menu item

    cmdkey a
    command
    end_cmd

    I have to admit, I've never been too good at any computer language, just enough to get by. but I had a much easier time customizing and having more customization power with baja on sync then I ever did with Proboard, TriBBS and PCboard. I could'nt stand menu editors. I did, however like Proboards file editor much better than sbbs, but thats when I did'nt have as many files to manage.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Mro on Thu Mar 16 07:12:25 2017

    i spent about 15 years or more promoting bbsing and it boiled down to the fact that most people dont want what we have. they are happy with what they are doing on the internet.

    the most you can do is rope some nerd in saying its retro and then he'll visit a few times.

    I agree that the return in promotion might not be a flood, but if they don't know it's out there the 2 nerds won't visit.

    would you like a flood of trolls anyway? I wound not.

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Nightfox on Thu Mar 16 10:10:54 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Wed Mar 15 2017 17:02:55

    Yes, I ran a BBS back then. These days though, I don't feel any less motivated to mod my BBS just because it's on the internet rather than a

    I think the implication is that the expense of a dedicated phone line meant the sysop who paid for it would feel more committed to maintaining their system.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to echicken on Thu Mar 16 10:39:52 2017
    I think the implication is that the expense of a dedicated phone line meant the sysop who paid for it would feel more committed to maintaining their system.

    Yes, that's my understanding as well.

    Nightfox

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to echicken on Thu Mar 16 15:49:19 2017
    I think the implication is that the expense of a dedicated phone line meant the sysop who paid for it would feel more committed to maintaining their system.

    I do remember old board on phone lines that where broken and still online so your right, it's not allways a guarantee, especially for bbs that where owned by small business, curating the bbs was handled by an employe that most of the time had more pressing thing to do.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Ennev on Thu Mar 16 19:20:35 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Ennev to Mro on Thu Mar 16 2017 07:12 am

    i spent about 15 years or more promoting bbsing and it boiled down to the fact that most people dont want what we have. they are happy with what they are doing on the internet.

    the most you can do is rope some nerd in saying its retro and then he'll visit a few times.

    I agree that the return in promotion might not be a flood, but if they don't know it's out there the 2 nerds won't visit.

    well i dont think it would be a flood of trolls, necessarily; just a flood
    of people who prefer facebook, snapchat, kik and instagram.
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  • From Gryphon@VERT/CYBERIA to Ennev on Fri Mar 17 11:19:00 2017
    On 03/16/17, Ennev said the following...

    I think the implication is that the expense of a dedicated phone line m the sysop who paid for it would feel more committed to maintaining thei system.

    I do remember old board on phone lines that where broken and still
    online so your right, it's not allways a guarantee, especially for bbs that where owned by small business, curating the bbs was handled by an employe that most of the time had more pressing thing to do.

    I got my first IT job as a BBS Sysop. I ran 3Com's 16-line in house TBBS system. It was my only task.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Cyberia BBS | Cyberia.Darktech.Org | Kingwood, TX
  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Gryphon on Fri Mar 17 13:10:26 2017
    Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Gryphon to Ennev on Fri Mar 17 2017 11:19:00


    Wow, cool.

    Most "non-hobbyist" sysop that I knew where from small computer shop that where running bbs as a selling point to buying theirs pc-clone. So as the business was going down so theirs bbs did, as the staff was reduced BBS was more in the way for remaining staff.

    But yes enterprise bbs like where you where usually where on top, that's where customer where getting theirs supports etc. Salesman on the road would do theirs orders and get theirs sales data through it.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ennev on Fri Mar 17 12:14:44 2017
    But yes enterprise bbs like where you where usually where on top, that's where customer where getting theirs supports etc. Salesman on the road would do theirs orders and get theirs sales data through it.

    Yeah, if you didn't mind paying long-distance phone calls to a business BBS (since many business BBSes were likely in a different state). I think it could have been fun working on a BBS for a business, although like anything at work, it could easily feel more like work than a hobby and thus, be less enjoyable..

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Gryphon on Fri Mar 17 16:28:49 2017
    Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Gryphon to Ennev on Fri Mar 17 2017 11:19 am

    On 03/16/17, Ennev said the following...

    I think the implication is that the expense of a dedicated phone line m the sysop who paid for it would feel more committed to maintaining thei system.

    I do remember old board on phone lines that where broken and still online so your right, it's not allways a guarantee, especially for bbs that where owned by small business, curating the bbs was handled by an employe that most of the time had more pressing thing to do.

    I got my first IT job as a BBS Sysop. I ran 3Com's 16-line in house TBBS system. It was my only task.

    Awesome! How long did you do that for?

    digital man

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  • From Bigbangnet@VERT/MTLGEEK to Mro on Fri Mar 17 21:20:25 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Wed Mar 15 2017 17:10:08

    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Tue Mar 14 2017 08:00 pm

    back in the day when you had to dedicate a phoneline to a bbs, that pre much ensured you had someone that was really going to devote something it. they changed the menus, had files and had a personal relationship w their users.

    Maybe there's some truth to that, but I'm not sure how much difference a dedicated phone line makes vs. an internet connection. Maybe the software


    there's a huge difference. you had to get the extra line, you had to pay the bill. you had to be dedicated to doing it. didnt you run a bbs back then?

    course, with fewer BBSes these days, there are also fewer mod developers fewer mods available for sysops to choose from for modern BBS packages.

    people used to mod their own bbses.
    Ya, the bills were freak'n high. carriers used to charge a lot cause of the extra line. Then you had that computer which weren't cheap like today. Now a days you only need 400$ and you got a new computer if you look carefully and it runs BBS really fine hehe

    Today PC's are cheaper and easier to use. When you look at how to use BBS's, theres a small learning curve but its in a way better shape than in the 90's I believe















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  • From Bigbangnet@VERT/MTLGEEK to Mro on Fri Mar 17 21:23:38 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Ennev on Wed Mar 15 2017 17:11:46

    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Ennev to Mro on Wed Mar 15 2017 08:43 am

    But I think we have to break our mentalities that "if we build it, they w come" I think we need to educate and promote more widely. Retro gaming cr is at it's peak this is an opportunity for us.


    i spent about 15 years or more promoting bbsing and it boiled down to the fa that most people dont want what we have. they are happy with what they are doing on the internet.

    the most you can do is rope some nerd in saying its retro and then he'll vis a few times.
    Thats until the FCC and the CRTC (the canadian fcc) tells carriers and every comm company its ok to tier their packages and products.
    "ohh you there, you watch youtube and netflix ? Well thats costing us a lot, so cought up an extra 15$."

    "Ohh you go on facebook and twitter well thats gonna cost you an extra 20$...cause we can. Ohh you don't like it...ok we'll block it bye"

    Pretty sure by then BBS's will be a bit more popular. I guess ? lol

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Gryphon on Fri Mar 17 22:37:53 2017
    Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Gryphon to Ennev on Fri Mar 17 2017 11:19 am

    I got my first IT job as a BBS Sysop. I ran 3Com's 16-line in house TBBS system. It was my only task.



    how much did they pay you?
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Mar 18 00:21:52 2017
    Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Nightfox to Ennev on Fri Mar 17 2017 12:14 pm

    Yeah, if you didn't mind paying long-distance phone calls to a business BBS (since many business BBSes were likely in a different state). I think it could have been fun working on a BBS for a business, although like anything


    sometimes you had to pay long-d to get the files and visit the cool bbses.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Bigbangnet on Sat Mar 18 00:22:45 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Bigbangnet to Mro on Fri Mar 17 2017 09:20 pm

    there's a huge difference. you had to get the extra line, you had to pay the bill. you had to be dedicated to doing it. didnt you run a bbs back then?

    people used to mod their own bbses.
    Ya, the bills were freak'n high. carriers used to charge a lot cause of the extra line. Then you had that computer which weren't cheap like today. Now a days you only need 400$ and you got a new computer if you look carefully and


    now they fuck with you with data and cellphones. they always find a way to
    fuck you.
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  • From Gryphon@VERT/CYBERIA to Digital Man on Sat Mar 18 10:54:00 2017
    On 03/17/17, Digital Man said the following...

    Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Gryphon to Ennev on Fri Mar 17 2017 11:19 am

    On 03/16/17, Ennev said the following...

    I think the implication is that the expense of a dedicated phon line m the sysop who paid for it would feel more committed to maintaining thei system.

    I do remember old board on phone lines that where broken and still online so your right, it's not allways a guarantee, especially for that where owned by small business, curating the bbs was handled b employe that most of the time had more pressing thing to do.

    I got my first IT job as a BBS Sysop. I ran 3Com's 16-line in house TB system. It was my only task.

    Awesome! How long did you do that for?

    I did it for a little over a year. I moved on to new things after that.
    This was from '93 to '94. One of the things I was tasked with was producing usage metrics from the BBS. I could see that the corporate BBS was also experiencing the same downward spiral that my hobby BBS was seeing. Since I was just a contractor, I was being told that my services were not going to be needed after very much longer. So I moved on.

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  • From Gryphon@VERT/CYBERIA to Mro on Sat Mar 18 10:58:00 2017
    On 03/17/17, Mro said the following...

    Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Gryphon to Ennev on Fri Mar 17 2017 11:19 am

    I got my first IT job as a BBS Sysop. I ran 3Com's 16-line in house TB system. It was my only task.

    how much did they pay you?

    I got $15/hr as a contractor. No benefits. This was in '93 so it was very good pay. I left a government job when I took this one. That previous job
    was only paying $12/hr.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Gryphon on Sat Mar 18 12:30:11 2017
    Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Gryphon to Mro on Sat Mar 18 2017 10:58 am

    I got my first IT job as a BBS Sysop. I ran 3Com's 16-line in house TB system. It was my only task.

    how much did they pay you?

    I got $15/hr as a contractor. No benefits. This was in '93 so it was very good pay. I left a government job when I took this one. That previous job was only paying $12/hr.


    yeah that was pretty good pay for back then. i'm surprised they paid someone that much to run a bbs. i knew the guys at pkware and nobody got paid specifically for the bbs operations. pretty sure it was the same thing at creative labs. i actually went on their bbs one to get drivers for my sb16
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  • From Roalt@VERT/MMBBS1 to Mro on Fri Mar 24 19:03:21 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Ennev on Thu Mar 16 2017 07:20 pm

    I agree that the return in promotion might not be a flood, but if they do know it's out there the 2 nerds won't visit.

    well i dont think it would be a flood of trolls, necessarily; just a flood of people who prefer facebook, snapchat, kik and instagram.

    Yuck, you made me puke in my mouth.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Roalt on Sun Mar 26 15:50:18 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Roalt to Mro on Fri Mar 24 2017 07:03 pm

    I agree that the return in promotion might not be a flood, but if they do know it's out there the 2 nerds won't visit.

    well i dont think it would be a flood of trolls, necessarily; just a flood of people who prefer facebook, snapchat, kik and instagram.

    Yuck, you made me puke in my mouth.


    someone doesnt have strippers as snapchat friends!
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  • From Roalt@VERT/MMBBS1 to Mro on Wed Mar 29 18:42:49 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Roalt on Sun Mar 26 2017 03:50 pm

    flood of people who prefer facebook, snapchat, kik and instagram.

    Yuck, you made me puke in my mouth.

    someone doesnt have strippers as snapchat friends!

    lol, actually I do know a few strippers ... I do photography at a local venue that hosts hip hop shows from time to time... they bring strippers to dance on stage with the performers sometimes. Not really interested in them in that way though... cuz I'm not throwing away a 16 year long marriage over that!

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Roalt on Fri Mar 31 00:33:27 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Roalt to Mro on Wed Mar 29 2017 06:42 pm

    dance on stage with the performers sometimes. Not really interested in them in that way though... cuz I'm not throwing away a 16 year long marriage over that!


    you have to figure out how to keep it secret!
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  • From Roalt@VERT/MMBBS1 to Mro on Sat Apr 1 11:40:35 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Roalt on Fri Mar 31 2017 12:33 am

    dance on stage with the performers sometimes. Not really interested in th in that way though... cuz I'm not throwing away a 16 year long marriage o that!

    you have to figure out how to keep it secret!

    uhh. No.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Roalt on Sun Apr 2 17:22:30 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Roalt to Mro on Sat Apr 01 2017 11:40 am

    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Roalt on Fri Mar 31 2017 12:33 am

    dance on stage with the performers sometimes. Not really interested in th in that way though... cuz I'm not throwing away a 16 year long marriage o that!

    you have to figure out how to keep it secret!

    uhh. No.


    it will add some excitement to your sexlife. or atleast for one of you.
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  • From Roalt@VERT/MMBBS1 to Mro on Sat Apr 1 19:12:00 2017
    Re: Re: Well, well, well.....
    By: Mro to Roalt on Sun Apr 02 2017 05:22 pm

    uhh. No.


    it will add some excitement to your sexlife. or atleast for one of you.

    X_X

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