Re: Ac
By: Robert Wolfe to ROADHOG on Sun Apr 09 2017 08:06 am

Not many old people know what a bbs is either, you know.
Anything online most people are familiar with are from
post-bbs-era. But I'm probably stating the obvious, so...

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Re: Active BBS's
By: Roadhog to Deavmi on Fri Apr 14 2017 09:07 am

Linux suks.

Not true.
I run several game servers on Linux.
I doubt that I'll ever run Linux on Desktop or Laptop but as a server I love Linux.

I think some Linux distros work well for a desktop/laptop too. My personal favorite right now is Mint Linux with the Cinnamon UI. I also like OpenSUSE.

Nightfox

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Re: Linux (was: ActiveBBS's)
By: Nightfox to Roadhog on Fri Apr 14 2017 12:55 pm

I think some Linux distros work well for a desktop/laptop too. My personal favorite right now is Mint Linux with the Cinnamon UI. I also like OpenSUSE

How is OpenSUSE now-a-days? I tried to use it many years ago and it was slow and unstable. I saw that they have a rolling-release variant now and I wanted to try it out, but I forgot the reason why I didn't download it to try it out.

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Peter Parker wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

Not many old people know what a bbs is either, you know.
Anything online most people are familiar with are from
post-bbs-era. But I'm probably stating the obvious, so...

Yeah, I've had to explain BBSs to a number of people over the years. :)


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Re: Linux (was: ActiveBBS's)
By: jagossel to Nightfox on Fri Apr 14 2017 05:34 pm

I think some Linux distros work well for a desktop/laptop too. My person favorite right now is Mint Linux with the Cinnamon UI. I also like OpenS

How is OpenSUSE now-a-days? I tried to use it many years ago and it was slo and unstable. I saw that they have a rolling-release variant now and I want to try it out, but I forgot the reason why I didn't download it to try it ou

The reason I don't use linux on my desktop is 1.I have to many windows programs that I bought and learned.
2.So many Distro's out there to choose from, I do however run Ubuntu 15.10 on my Raspberri PI.
In the past I wasted alot of time distro hoping and was never really fully satisfied with any of them.

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Not many old people know what a bbs is either, you know.
Anything online most people are familiar with are from
post-bbs-era. But I'm probably stating the obvious, so...

We have to make it known such as memes. Memes help make things popular
in social networking websites.

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I think some Linux distros work well for a desktop/laptop too. My personal favorite right now is Mint Linux with the Cinnamon UI. I also like OpenSUSE.

I guess it depends on what people really want out of a "desktop," but I have used debian since 2001 or before with IceWM as the desktop. I kept a Windows XP partition in case I needed it, but I have not used it in 4 years or more.

I like IceWM better than Windows 7 (which we use at work) and OS/2 Warp 4. I still use OS/2 for my DOS bbs, but that will change soon as I migrate it to dosemu.



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On 14/04/2017 22:55, Nightfox wrote:

Re: Active BBS's
By: Roadhog to Deavmi on Fri Apr 14 2017 09:07 am

Linux suks.

Not true.
I run several game servers on Linux.
I doubt that I'll ever run Linux on Desktop or Laptop but as a server I love Linux.

I think some Linux distros work well for a desktop/laptop too. My personal favorite right now is Mint Linux with the Cinnamon UI. I also like OpenSUSE.

Nightfox

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I'm in love with Fedora and Debian for servers. Absolutely love it.
Fedora for servers is possible too but I love it for workstations.

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On 14/04/2017 23:34, jagossel wrote:

Re: Linux (was: ActiveBBS's)
By: Nightfox to Roadhog on Fri Apr 14 2017 12:55 pm

I think some Linux distros work well for a desktop/laptop too. My personal
favorite right now is Mint Linux with the Cinnamon UI. I also like OpenSUSE

How is OpenSUSE now-a-days? I tried to use it many years ago and it was slow and unstable. I saw that they have a rolling-release variant now and I wanted
to try it out, but I forgot the reason why I didn't download it to try it out.

-jag
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They have the new Plasma desktop and when I tested it out it was nice.

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Re: Re: Linux (was: ActiveBBS's)
By: Deavmi to jagossel on Sun Apr 16 2017 05:37 pm

They have the new Plasma desktop and when I tested it out it was nice.

Isn't Plasma for KDE, not specifically OpenSUSE?

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Re: Well...
By: Matthew Munson to PETER PARKER on Sat Apr 15 2017 03:02 am

Not many old people know what a bbs is either, you know.
Anything online most people are familiar with are from
post-bbs-era. But I'm probably stating the obvious, so...

We have to make it known such as memes. Memes help make things popular
in social networking websites.

so they know about it but dont use it still because it provides them with nothing they want.
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Re: Re: Linux
By: Deavmi to Nightfox on Sun Apr 16 2017 05:37 pm

I'm in love with Fedora and Debian for servers. Absolutely love it. Fedora for servers is possible too but I love it for workstations.

I remember Fedora being branched off from RedHat and made more suitable for a desktop OS. For servers, there's also CentOS, which is basically a RedHat clone without the licensing and support from RedHat. CentOS is a fairly good and stable Linux distro for servers.

Nightfox

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Re: Active BBS's
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Apr 16 2017 02:12 pm

that's just expected for exterprise versions and MS has said
consumer versions wont have subscription fees.

But do you believe everything Microsoft says?

i dont consider them an evil corporation that lies.

it makes sense that they would charge a monthly subscription for enterprise instead of a monthly subscription for home usage.

i wouldnt say they would do the opposite of what they have stated.

I tend to be somewhat leery of Microsoft due to some of the tactics they've employed in the past. For instance, Internet Explorer didn't conform to some web standards for many years, and I have a feeling Microsoft did that on purpose to leverage their market share. Microsoft knew the majority of consumer PCs ran Windows, so by making IE work in a non-standard way, many web developers focused on making their web sites work in IE and perhaps not so well in other web browsers. Recently, Microsoft has made improvements to make IE work better and in a more standard way, which is good. Microsoft has also been embracing the open-source community more, releasing versions of Visual Studio for Linux, and have even added the ability to develop Android and iOS apps in Visual Studio. I'm still somewhat skeptical of Microsoft's plans, but time will tell.

Nightfox

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Deavmi wrote to Nightfox <=-

I'm in love with Fedora and Debian for servers. Absolutely love it.
Fedora for servers is possible too but I love it for workstations.

Definitely Debian for servers. Fedora for workstations might be OK, if you're prepared to do a major upgrade annually, which may not be a bad thing in many cases.


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Nightfox wrote to Deavmi <=-

I remember Fedora being branched off from RedHat and made more suitable for a desktop OS. For servers, there's also CentOS, which is basically
a RedHat clone without the licensing and support from RedHat. CentOS
is a fairly good and stable Linux distro for servers.

I used to use CentOS for my servers, but have drifted towards Debian in recent years.


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Re: Microsoft
By: Nightfox to Mro on Sun Apr 16 2017 12:05 pm

But do you believe everything Microsoft says?

i dont consider them an evil corporation that lies.

it makes sense that they would charge a monthly subscription for enterprise instead of a monthly subscription for home usage.

i wouldnt say they would do the opposite of what they have stated.

I tend to be somewhat leery of Microsoft due to some of the tactics they've employed in the past. For instance, Internet Explorer didn't conform to some web standards for many years, and I have a feeling Microsoft did that

that was back in the old days, and no browsers were prefect back then.
they didnt prevent a user from running their own browser. they just had it preinstalled at a certain point with windows.

now IE is one of the better browsers. and firefox has become a bloated POS memory hog and hung onto that title for many years.

on purpose to leverage their market share. Microsoft knew the majority of consumer PCs ran Windows, so by making IE work in a non-standard way, many web developers focused on making their web sites work in IE and perhaps not so well in other web browsers. Recently, Microsoft has made improvements to

what i saw when these guys had rendering issues was just code a script that tells the user to switch browsers. if that was truly a method MS used to leverage marketshare, it didnt work.

Android and iOS apps in Visual Studio. I'm still somewhat skeptical of Microsoft's plans, but time will tell.

microsoft wants your money. google, facebook, and the other guys want to own you and all your information. google is now much much worse than the microsoft they wagged their finger at years ago.
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Re: Microsoft
By: Nightfox to Mro on Sun Apr 16 2017 12:05 pm

... Microsoft has also been embracing the open-source community more, releasing versions of Visual Studio for Linux, and have even added the ability to develop Android and iOS apps in Visual Studio.

Actually, it is Visual Studio Code that is open source, not Visual Studio. However, I will admit that they are trying to make Visual Studio Code be a lot like Visual Studio.

There are a great deal of software that Microsoft has been making that is open source: .NET Core, ASP.NET Core, PowerShell Core, Visual Studio Code, MSBuild, MS Test, etc.

I honestly would not have believed it if someone where to tell me, years ago, that Microsoft would be creating open source software. I mean, the fact that Windows 10 now supports containers using Docker for Windows is a big deal; along with Windows Subsystem for Linux where it is now possible to run ELF/POSIX binaries on Windows, and shockingly enough, SQL Server on Linux.

While not open source, but part of the container support: Windows Nano. Windows Nano is supposed to be even more scaled down than Windows Server Core; around 300MB once installed.

Thinking about it... I think Microsoft has to keep up by having open source software and supporting containers, it seems to where software development has been shifting over as well.

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I tend to be somewhat leery of Microsoft due to some of the tactics they've employed in the past. For instance, Internet Explorer didn't conform to some web standards for many years, and I have a feeling Microsoft did that on purpose to leverage their market share.
Microsoft knew the majority of consumer PCs ran Windows, so by making
IE work in a non-standard way, many web developers focused on making
their web sites work in IE and perhaps not so well in other web
browsers.

If you look hard enough I am pretty certain you will find other places where they "broke" or ignored standards also. IIRC, back in the day there was some standardized networking protocol that they "improved" in such a way that
other machines could not easily interface with M$ ones.



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Re: Linux (was: ActiveBBS's)
By: Denn Gray to jagossel on Fri Apr 14 2017 04:57 pm

I plan on installing Linux on my Rasperry Pi so that i can Open my BBS on it, Raspberry Pi + LCD Monitor with USR 56k Courior. Nothing retro, just a modern BBS for a modern age. ESCAPE THE INTERNET
I'm thinking synchronet for linux will do nicely... And a big external solid state hard drive!!!

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Re: Microsoft
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Apr 16 2017 08:41 pm

microsoft wants your money. google, facebook, and the other guys want to ow you and all your information. google is now much much worse than the microso they wagged their finger at years ago.

I hate to say it but I agree with you on that, I am trying to get comfortabel with Opera so I can ditch chrome.

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Re: Linux (was: ActiveBBS's)
By: Alec Aaron Roberts to Denn Gray on Sun Apr 16 2017 07:49 pm

I plan on installing Linux on my Rasperry Pi so that i can Open my BBS on it Raspberry Pi + LCD Monitor with USR 56k Courior. Nothing retro, just a mode BBS for a modern age. ESCAPE THE INTERNET
I'm thinking synchronet for linux will do nicely... And a big external solid state hard drive!!!

I ran Mystic on My Raspberry PI 2 for a few months, as I could not get Synchronet installed properly on my PI.
Instead I opted to run Synchronet on a thin client PC.
I did recently see someone made a repository to cut and past to install Synchronet using Raspian, It might have been on the wiki, I will try to find it and post the addy.
http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:raspbian_install
found it :)
I belive there is also a Synchronet tarball for the PI.

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Re: Re: Linux
By: Nightfox to Deavmi on Sun Apr 16 2017 12:01 pm

Re: Re: Linux
By: Deavmi to Nightfox on Sun Apr 16 2017 05:37 pm

I'm in love with Fedora and Debian for servers. Absolutely love it. Fedora for servers is possible too but I love it for workstations.

I remember Fedora being branched off from RedHat and made more suitable for desktop OS. For servers, there's also CentOS, which is basically a RedHat clone without the licensing and support from RedHat. CentOS is a fairly goo and stable Linux distro for servers.

Nightfox

My experience with Fedora has been favorable so far. I use the KDE spin and it's been great. A few minor issues at times, but I'm actually surprised how good and stable it's been for a system designed to be more bleeding edge and constantly upgraded(a new release is out every 6 months).

I wouldn't recommend it for a production system for the above release cycle reason, but on a desktop it's great. I run it on my laptop, but for my desktop which I don't feel like having to do reinstalls on every 6 months, I use Centos.

The Debian based OS' seem nice too, but because I work with Redhat I've been sticking with that family at home too.

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Alec Aaron Roberts wrote to Denn Gray <=-

I plan on installing Linux on my Rasperry Pi so that i can Open my BBS
on it, Raspberry Pi + LCD Monitor with USR 56k Courior. Nothing retro, just a modern BBS for a modern age. ESCAPE THE INTERNET
I'm thinking synchronet for linux will do nicely... And a big external solid state hard drive!!!

I run Synchronet on a Pi, it works really well. Not sure how many dialup users you'd get these days though. I tyed with the idea of settingup a modem, but other than deterring telemarketers, I couldn't see it being of any real use, and by next month, I probably won't have a POTS line anyway, once the ADSL line is upgraded to FTTN. :)


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Chris wrote to Nightfox <=-

My experience with Fedora has been favorable so far. I use the KDE spin and it's been great. A few minor issues at times, but I'm actually surprised how good and stable it's been for a system designed to be
more bleeding edge and constantly upgraded(a new release is out every 6
months).

I wouldn't recommend it for a production system for the above release cycle reason, but on a desktop it's great. I run it on my laptop, but
for my desktop which I don't feel like having to do reinstalls on every
6 months, I use Centos.

Fedora's release cycle is the reason I don't use it, but yes I agree, it would be a good choice for a desktop, where the rapid release cycle wouldn't be such an issue, especially if you use a separate filesystem for /home and other non OS parts of the system.

The Debian based OS' seem nice too, but because I work with Redhat I've been sticking with that family at home too.

I've moved to Debian in recent years, love it.


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On 17/04/2017 02:49, Alec Aaron Roberts wrote:

Re: Linux (was: ActiveBBS's)
By: Denn Gray to jagossel on Fri Apr 14 2017 04:57 pm

I plan on installing Linux on my Rasperry Pi so that i can Open my BBS on it, Raspberry Pi + LCD Monitor with USR 56k Courior. Nothing retro, just a modern
BBS for a modern age. ESCAPE THE INTERNET
I'm thinking synchronet for linux will do nicely... And a big external solid state hard drive!!!

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On 16/04/2017 18:38, jagossel wrote:

Re: Re: Linux (was: ActiveBBS's)
By: Deavmi to jagossel on Sun Apr 16 2017 05:37 pm

They have the new Plasma desktop and when I tested it out it was nice.

Isn't Plasma for KDE, not specifically OpenSUSE?

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Yes. Just saying.

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On 16/04/2017 22:01, Nightfox wrote:

Re: Re: Linux
By: Deavmi to Nightfox on Sun Apr 16 2017 05:37 pm

I'm in love with Fedora and Debian for servers. Absolutely love it. Fedora for servers is possible too but I love it for workstations.

I remember Fedora being branched off from RedHat and made more suitable for a desktop OS. For servers, there's also CentOS, which is basically a RedHat clone without the licensing and support from RedHat. CentOS is a fairly good and stable Linux distro for servers.

Nightfox

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On 17/04/2017 05:59, Chris wrote:

Re: Re: Linux
By: Nightfox to Deavmi on Sun Apr 16 2017 12:01 pm

Re: Re: Linux
By: Deavmi to Nightfox on Sun Apr 16 2017 05:37 pm

I'm in love with Fedora and Debian for servers. Absolutely love it. Fedora for servers is possible too but I love it for workstations.

I remember Fedora being branched off from RedHat and made more suitable for
desktop OS. For servers, there's also CentOS, which is basically a RedHat clone without the licensing and support from RedHat. CentOS is a fairly goo
and stable Linux distro for servers.

Nightfox

My experience with Fedora has been favorable so far. I use the KDE spin and it's been great. A few minor issues at times, but I'm actually surprised how good and stable it's been for a system designed to be more bleeding edge and constantly upgraded(a new release is out every 6 months).

I wouldn't recommend it for a production system for the above release cycle reason, but on a desktop it's great. I run it on my laptop, but for my desktop
which I don't feel like having to do reinstalls on every 6 months, I use Centos.

The Debian based OS' seem nice too, but because I work with Redhat I've been sticking with that family at home too.

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I just ike the updated packages and the plethora of them too.

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On 17/04/2017 00:18, Vk3jed wrote:

Deavmi wrote to Nightfox <=-

I'm in love with Fedora and Debian for servers. Absolutely love it. Fedora for servers is possible too but I love it for workstations.

Definitely Debian for servers. Fedora for workstations might be OK, if you're
prepared to do a major upgrade annually, which may not be a bad thing in many cases.

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Re: Microsoft
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Apr 16 2017 08:41 pm

I tend to be somewhat leery of Microsoft due to some of the tactics
they've employed in the past. For instance, Internet Explorer didn't
conform to some web standards for many years, and I have a feeling
Microsoft did that

that was back in the old days, and no browsers were prefect back then. they didnt prevent a user from running their own browser. they just had it preinstalled at a certain point with windows.

IE was still fairly bad into the mid-2000s, which IMO wasn't so much "old days" anymore. Web developers complained a lot about IE 6, which was released in 2001, and the next version of IE wasn't released until 5 years later, and I don't remember if it was much better. By then, I think other browsers adhered to web standards better. Standards-wise, I think IE started improving with IE 8 in 2009. It's true they didn't prevent the user from running a different browser, but if a web site was designed with IE in mind and not so much other browsers, then the site might not work well unless the user was using IE. Also, I think many users would just use IE since it was included with Windows - And computers had a growing userbase, with many people new to computers who didn't know much about them.

And remember the whole Microsoft anti-trust lawsuit? Microsoft started including IE with Windows 98, and then they tried to argue that IE was an integral part of Windows and couldn't be removed (even though IE was not included with Windows 95, and was only part of an expansion pack, if I remember correctly).

now IE is one of the better browsers. and firefox has become a bloated POS memory hog and hung onto that title for many years.

My understanding is that IE is being discontinued in favor of Edge in Windows 10. I'm not sure if Edge supports add-ons yet. I used to like Firefox's user interface and speed back in the day, but I agree it has become slow and bloated, and now it looks too much like Google Chrome. I had been using Google Chrome for a while due to its speed. Now I'm trying out Pale Moon, which was forked from an older Firefox codebase but is kept up to date and is fairly fast. Google Chrome still seems a bit faster though.. And one thing I do like about Chrome is each tab is its own process, so if a web site becomes unresponsive, it doesn't crsah the whole browser.

what i saw when these guys had rendering issues was just code a script that tells the user to switch browsers. if that was truly a method MS used to leverage marketshare, it didnt work.

Maybe not anymore, but I had heard about (and I think I had seen) some web sites that worked in IE but didn't work so well in other browsers.

microsoft wants your money. google, facebook, and the other guys want to own you and all your information. google is now much much worse than the microsoft they wagged their finger at years ago.

Yeah, I had heard that Google no longer uses its slogan of "don't be evil"..

Nightfox

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Re: Microsoft
By: jagossel to Nightfox on Sun Apr 16 2017 08:53 pm

... Microsoft has also been embracing the open-source community more,
releasing versions of Visual Studio for Linux, and have even added the
ability to develop Android and iOS apps in Visual Studio.

Actually, it is Visual Studio Code that is open source, not Visual Studio. However, I will admit that they are trying to make Visual Studio Code be a lot like Visual Studio.

What I meant was that Microsoft has released versions of Visual Studio for Linux, not necessarily that they made Visual Studio open-source. Cool to hear that Visual Studio Code is open-source though.

big deal; along with Windows Subsystem for Linux where it is now possible to run ELF/POSIX binaries on Windows, and shockingly enough, SQL Server on Linux.

Yeah, I find that surprising myself.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Microsoft
By: Dumas Walker to Nightfox on Sun Apr 16 2017 06:04 pm

If you look hard enough I am pretty certain you will find other places where they "broke" or ignored standards also. IIRC, back in the day there was some standardized networking protocol that they "improved" in such a way that other machines could not easily interface with M$ ones.

I don't remember that specifically, but I remember Microsoft had a network protocol called NetBEUI - Is that what you are referring to? I think NetBEUI was Windows-specific.

Nightfox

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Re: Microsoft
By: Denn Gray to Mro on Sun Apr 16 2017 08:53 pm

microsoft wants your money. google, facebook, and the other guys want
to ow you and all your information. google is now much much worse than
the microso they wagged their finger at years ago.

I hate to say it but I agree with you on that, I am trying to get comfortabel with Opera so I can ditch chrome.

If you were a fan of older Firefox builds, I might recommend Pale Moon. Pale Moon was based on a fork of an older Firefox (thus it keeps the older Firefox UI), but it is kept up to date, and is faster than Firefox too.

Nightfox

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Re: Microsoft
By: Nightfox to jagossel on Mon Apr 17 2017 09:04:06

What I meant was that Microsoft has released versions of Visual Studio for Linux, not necessarily that they made Visual Studio open-source. Cool to he

ar

that Visual Studio Code is open-source though.

I knew about Visual Studio on Mac, I will have to look and see about Visual Studio for Linux. I did see that Visual Studio 2017 has an option for the add-ins to develop Linux programs in C++. Hmmm...


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Re: Microsoft
By: Denn Gray to Mro on Sun Apr 16 2017 08:53 pm

Re: Microsoft
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Apr 16 2017 08:41 pm

microsoft wants your money. google, facebook, and the other guys want to ow you and all your information. google is now much much worse than the microso they wagged their finger at years ago.

I hate to say it but I agree with you on that, I am trying to get comfortabel with Opera so I can ditch chrome.

you dont have to hate to agree with me. it's usually the smartest thing you
can do! :D
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I don't remember that specifically, but I remember Microsoft had a network >protocol called NetBEUI - Is that what you are referring to? I think NetBEUI >was Windows-specific.

I rememeber that one, now that you mention it. I was thinking they did something that "perverted" kerberos or something. I cannot remember now. It has been a long time since I did any "network engineering" with microsoft machines so the specifics are long forgotten. :)

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Re: Microsoft
By: Nightfox to Mro on Mon Apr 17 2017 09:01 am

that was back in the old days, and no browsers were prefect back then. they didnt prevent a user from running their own browser. they just had it preinstalled at a certain point with windows.

IE was still fairly bad into the mid-2000s, which IMO wasn't so much "old days" anymore. Web developers complained a lot about IE 6, which was released in 2001, and the next version of IE wasn't released until 5 years

well it's about 17 years or so ago, so that's pretty long ago. dont you feel old now? anyways, everyone always wanted to talk trash about MS but that was how it was back then. now we really have some evil companies to contend with.

And remember the whole Microsoft anti-trust lawsuit? Microsoft started including IE with Windows 98, and then they tried to argue that IE was an integral part of Windows and couldn't be removed (even though IE was not included with Windows 95, and was only part of an expansion pack, if I

yeah they went after microsoft over ie and over the media player. personally, i think it's their product and they had a right to put what they want in it. they even allow you to install other browsers to replace it. i think the courts should have stayed out of that shit.

Firefox's user interface and speed back in the day, but I agree it has become slow and bloated, and now it looks too much like Google Chrome. I had been using Google Chrome for a while due to its speed. Now I'm trying out Pale Moon, which was forked from an older Firefox codebase but is kept up to date and is fairly fast. Google Chrome still seems a bit faster though.. And one thing I do like about Chrome is each tab is its own process, so if a web site becomes unresponsive, it doesn't crsah the whole browser.

i used pale moon, also. right now i use firefox for when i need addons, but i mostly use opera.
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Nightfox wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

I don't remember that specifically, but I remember Microsoft had a
network protocol called NetBEUI - Is that what you are referring to? I think NetBEUI was Windows-specific.

From memory, it was, but it was also only suitable for single segment networks, NetBEUI couldn't cross routers. You needed to use NetBIOS over IPX or IP to do that. But there were a number of oddities with Windows networking. For example, while you could share files between Windows and OS/2 (of the day), browsing didn't work across platforms. Today, Windows networking (now CIFS) has changed so much (mainly for security reasons) that OS/2 can't talk to it by default. Windows settings need to be significantly tweaked, or a more modern implementation (e.g. Samba) needs to be used on the OS/2 end.


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NIGHTFOX wrote to MRO <=-

And remember the whole Microsoft anti-trust lawsuit? Microsoft started including IE with Windows 98, and then they tried to argue that IE was
an integral part of Windows and couldn't be removed (even though IE was not included with Windows 95, and was only part of an expansion pack,
if I remember correctly).

Main thing I remember about all that was how they also included a
TCP/IP stack, making stuff like Trumphet obsolete, but no one was
jumping up and down like Netscape Navigator was...

I had been using Google Chrome for a while due to its speed. Now I'm trying out Pale Moon, which was forked from an older Firefox codebase
but is kept up to date and is fairly fast. Google Chrome still seems a bit faster though.. And one thing I do like about Chrome is each tab
is its own process, so if a web site becomes unresponsive, it doesn't crsah the whole browser.

First, I'll have to look at Pale Moon. Here at school (I'm IT
Director for a public school system) we use GAFE. I tell people
use Safari (we're also a Mac district) but use Chrome for Google
Drive, apps, etc. We also supply Firefox (I get tickled when staff
says FoxFire) and Opera, so there are options in case something
is not working.

Maybe not anymore, but I had heard about (and I think I had seen) some
web sites that worked in IE but didn't work so well in other browsers.

I don't know how much that is currently prevalant, but at one
time there were sites filled with Active X. Our foodservice
and business office use PC's and they have to use IE due to
coding.




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NIGHTFOX wrote to DENN GRAY <=-

If you were a fan of older Firefox builds, I might recommend Pale Moon.
Pale Moon was based on a fork of an older Firefox (thus it keeps the older Firefox UI), but it is kept up to date, and is faster than
Firefox too.

Well, after typing that last message, I looked it up -

http://www.palemoon.org

Looks to be Windows only, so won't work for what I was thinking
about...



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Re: Re: Microsoft
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Tue Apr 18 2017 10:11 am

Director for a public school system) we use GAFE. I tell people
use Safari (we're also a Mac district) but use Chrome for Google
Drive, apps, etc. We also supply Firefox (I get tickled when staff
says FoxFire) and Opera, so there are options in case something
is not working.

I've also heard someone at work say FoxFire.. I'm not sure where that came from.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Microsoft
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Tue Apr 18 2017 10:13 am

Well, after typing that last message, I looked it up -

http://www.palemoon.org

Looks to be Windows only, so won't work for what I was thinking
about...

It's available for Linux too. It sounds like the OS X version is still in development though.

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I've also heard someone at work say FoxFire.. I'm not sure where that came from.

Didn't that used to be the name of a band in the late '70's or early '80's?

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Re: Re: Microsoft
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Wed Apr 19 2017 06:39 pm

I've also heard someone at work say FoxFire.. I'm not sure where that
came from.

Didn't that used to be the name of a band in the late '70's or early '80's?

If so, I hadn't heard of them..

On doing an online search, it seems Foxfire is the name of a 1996 movie; the word "foxfire" also refers to bioluminescense of some fungi. It seems "foxfire" has also been used as the name for several other things too.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Microsoft
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Wed Apr 19 2017 08:54 pm

I've also heard someone at work say FoxFire.. I'm not sure where
that came from.

Didn't that used to be the name of a band in the late '70's or early
'80's?

If so, I hadn't heard of them..

On doing an online search, it seems Foxfire is the name of a 1996 movie; the word "foxfire" also refers to bioluminescense of some fungi. It seems "foxfire" has also been used as the name for several other things too.

The latter is what I was going to say, A larger city to the west of us runs their cleaned sewage off into a large tract of land a few south of me in off, get this "Fox Bridge Road" and at night you can see the Foxfire glowing, I used to scare some of my younger friends by telling them it was ghosts.. then againg it could just be radioactive run-off.

Either way. we live in a completely different county than "Dalton Utilities" and they run their filtered/clean sewage to this locations, many 100s of acres. so since they use this property, every house/business, etc. have a Dalton address instead a Chatsworth/Murray county one..

It all fine with me, it never has emitted an odor, and it helps to keep our water tables full, plus we have a large earthen (rock) damn built so we pull out water out of aquifers instead of reclaimed sewage, (Dalton can have that) We've been through some horrendous drouught conditions and we all just about burnt up in wildfires a few months ago, (weird walking outside and seeing a pink sun). but out water tables are still holding up pretty good..

anyways.. back to the subject Foxfire is cool!

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NIGHTFOX wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I've also heard someone at work say FoxFire.. I'm not sure where that came from.

Me neither - something that 'sounds' better in their mind for some
reason? Obviously people that never played N64... :-)

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NIGHTFOX wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Well, after typing that last message, I looked it up -

http://www.palemoon.org

Looks to be Windows only, so won't work for what I was thinking
about...

It's available for Linux too. It sounds like the OS X version is still
in development though.

Yeah - OS X is what I would need.

I'm sure you'll remind me in a few months to look again ? LOL




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Re: Re: Microsoft
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Thu Apr 20 2017 09:41 am

I've also heard someone at work say FoxFire.. I'm not sure where
that came from.

Me neither - something that 'sounds' better in their mind for some
reason? Obviously people that never played N64... :-)

I thought of that too.. :P

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Microsoft
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Tue Apr 18 2017 10:13 am

NIGHTFOX wrote to DENN GRAY <=-

If you were a fan of older Firefox builds, I might recommend Pale Moon.
Pale Moon was based on a fork of an older Firefox (thus it keeps the older Firefox UI), but it is kept up to date, and is faster than Firefox too.

Well, after typing that last message, I looked it up -

http://www.palemoon.org

Looks to be Windows only, so won't work for what I was thinking
about...

i run it on android
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Re: Re: Microsoft
By: Nightfox to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed Apr 19 2017 11:04 am

Re: Re: Microsoft
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Tue Apr 18 2017 10:11 am

Director for a public school system) we use GAFE. I tell people
use Safari (we're also a Mac district) but use Chrome for Google
Drive, apps, etc. We also supply Firefox (I get tickled when staff
says FoxFire) and Opera, so there are options in case something
is not working.

I've also heard someone at work say FoxFire.. I'm not sure where that came from.

that's what my mom says. 'my foxfire is broken'

is foxfire any more stupid sounding than firefox?
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Re: Re: Microsoft
By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Thu Apr 20 2017 06:31 am

anyways.. back to the subject Foxfire is cool!

*memory hog

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Re: Linux (was: ActiveBBS's)
By: Denn Gray to Alec Aaron Roberts on Sun Apr 16 2017 09:28 pm

Re: Linux (was: ActiveBBS's)
By: Alec Aaron Roberts to Denn Gray

I plan on installing Linux on my Rasperry Pi so that i can Open my BBS on Raspberry Pi + LCD Monitor with USR 56k Courior. Nothing retro, just a m BBS for a modern age. ESCAPE THE INTERNET
I'm thinking synchronet for linux will do nicely... And a big external so state hard drive!!!

I ran Mystic on My Raspberry PI 2 for a few months, as I could not get Synchronet installed properly on my PI.
Instead I opted to run Synchronet on a thin client PC.
I did recently see someone made a repository to cut and past to install Synchronet using Raspian, It might have been on the wiki, I will try to find and post the addy.
http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:raspbian_install
found it :)
I belive there is also a Synchronet tarball for the PI.

Wow! thanks for sharing that. I'msure that that link will make setting up my system much easier.

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Re: Raspberri Pi BBS
By: Azari to Denn Gray on Mon Apr 24 2017 11:50 pm

I ran Mystic on My Raspberry PI 2 for a few months, as I could not get Synchronet installed properly on my PI.
Instead I opted to run Synchronet on a thin client PC.
I did recently see someone made a repository to cut and past to install Synchronet using Raspian, It might have been on the wiki, I will try to find and post the addy.
http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:raspbian_install
found it :)
I belive there is also a Synchronet tarball for the PI.

Wow! thanks for sharing that. I'msure that that link will make setting up my system much easier.

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Re: Re: Microsoft
By: Nightfox to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed Apr 19 2017 11:04 am

Re: Re: Microsoft
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Tue Apr 18 2017 10:11 am

Director for a public school system) we use GAFE. I tell people
use Safari (we're also a Mac district) but use Chrome for Google
Drive, apps, etc. We also supply Firefox (I get tickled when staff
says FoxFire) and Opera, so there are options in case something
is not working.

I've also heard someone at work say FoxFire.. I'm not sure where that came from.

Nightfox

That seems to be a common mispronunciation. I know my father calls it that. I on't bother correcting him lol.

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Re: Re: Microsoft
By: Chris to Nightfox on Thu Apr 27 2017 10:04 pm

That seems to be a common mispronunciation. I know my father calls it that. I on't bother correcting him lol.

i call firefox 'memoryhog'; it's more fitting.
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Hello Mro!

27 Apr 17 23:09, you wrote to Chris:

i call firefox 'memoryhog'; it's more fitting.

Which sucks because it's a damn good browser. I've switched
to chrome again and just let google index everything I do, because
let's face it they are anyway I just make it easy for them with the
hope when google wins the corporation wars and runs north america
they will go easy on me.

Shawn


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Re: Microsoft
By: Tiny to Mro on Fri Apr 28 2017 06:48 am

i call firefox 'memoryhog'; it's more fitting.

Which sucks because it's a damn good browser. I've switched
to chrome again and just let google index everything I do, because

I recently heard about another browser called Pale Moon, which was originally based on Firefox (and has the older Firefox UI which I like), but it's faster than Firefox currently is. I think Google Chrome is still faster than Pale Moon, but I prefer Pale Moon's user interface.

Nightfox

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Re: Microsoft
By: Tiny to Mro on Fri Apr 28 2017 06:48 am

Hello Mro!

27 Apr 17 23:09, you wrote to Chris:

i call firefox 'memoryhog'; it's more fitting.

Which sucks because it's a damn good browser. I've switched
to chrome again and just let google index everything I do, because
let's face it they are anyway I just make it easy for them with the
hope when google wins the corporation wars and runs north america
they will go easy on me.

Shawn

i use firefox for the addons, and i use opera for everything else. they were bought out by a chinese company that is one of the 2 most powerful utility companies in china. sort of like 'norton'. i used their yunpan 360 for a while which offered me over 20TB of space for free.
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Hello Nightfox!

28 Apr 17 08:58, you wrote to me:

I recently heard about another browser called Pale Moon, which was originally based on Firefox (and has the older Firefox UI which I
like), but it's faster than Firefox currently is. I think Google
Chrome is still faster than Pale Moon, but I prefer Pale Moon's user interface.

For the most part I gave up and just use chrome. I figured why make
life hard? Hell I'm typing this to you on a chrome book. I use the development shell which has ssh built in and connect to my pi that way.

Extra data for google this way. ;)

Shawn


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Re: Microsoft
By: Tiny to Nightfox on Fri Apr 28 2017 04:13 pm

I recently heard about another browser called Pale Moon, which was
originally based on Firefox (and has the older Firefox UI which I
like), but it's faster than Firefox currently is. I think Google
Chrome is still faster than Pale Moon, but I prefer Pale Moon's user
interface.

For the most part I gave up and just use chrome. I figured why make
life hard? Hell I'm typing this to you on a chrome book. I use the development shell which has ssh built in and connect to my pi that way.

Do you feel like life is hard using other web browsers?

I've used Google Chrome for quite a while, and I still use it sometimes alongside Pale Moon. I just never liked Google Chrome's user interface.. Like many other recent Windows apps these days, it looks fairly flat and not very colorful, and I still feel that things like opening its settings in another tab (rather than a more standard settings dialog) is a little weird. I always used to like the Firefox user interface until they started making it look more like Google Chrome. Pale Moon looks more like Firefox used to look, which I like, and it's faster than Firefox is currently.

Extra data for google this way. ;)

:) Sometimes I wonder what they are tracking.. Recently I heard Google's Gmail has started doing more in-depth scanning of emails to try to detect things like spam & ads and such, but I wonder if they're collecting any of that data..

Nightfox

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Re: Microsoft
By: Nightfox to Tiny on Fri Apr 28 2017 09:22 pm

Do you feel like life is hard using other web browsers?

it can be if you need to get something done that second and your browser is being stupid.

:) Sometimes I wonder what they are tracking.. Recently I heard Google's Gmail has started doing more in-depth scanning of emails to try to detect things like spam & ads and such, but I wonder if they're collecting any of that data..

just assume pretty they are tracking pretty much everything.
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Anything online most people are familiar with are from
post-bbs-era. But I'm probably stating the obvious, so...

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Re: Linux (was: ActiveBBS's)
By: jagossel to Nightfox on Fri Apr 14 2017 05:34 pm

Re: Linux (was: ActiveBBS's)
By: Nightfox to Roadhog on Fri Apr 14 2017 12:55 pm

I think some Linux distros work well for a desktop/laptop too. My personal favorite right now is Mint Linux with the Cinnamon UI. I also like OpenSUSE

How is OpenSUSE now-a-days? I tried to use it many years ago and it was slow and unstable. I saw that they have a rolling-release variant now and I wanted to try it out, but I forgot the reason why I didn't download it to try it out.

-jag
Code it, script it, automate it!

I use OpenSuse and have for some time now. They have "Tumbleweed" which is the rolling release and "Leap" Which
is the stable release. I used to run Kunbuntu, but when ever it updated, it crashed and became unusable. When I
installed OpenSuSE Leap 42.2, I was so impressed, all my machines run it, save for a few older ones. (8 in all)

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CHRIS wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

I've also heard someone at work say FoxFire.. I'm not sure where that came from.

That seems to be a common mispronunciation. I know my father calls it that. I on't bother correcting him lol.

Yeah, same here. When I hear it I just smile and go on. Doesn't matter to me what they call it as long as we can communicate. :-)



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TINY wrote to MRO <=-

Which sucks because it's a damn good browser. I've switched
to chrome again and just let google index everything I do, because
let's face it they are anyway I just make it easy for them with the
hope when google wins the corporation wars and runs north america
they will go easy on me.

Maybe we need another remake of Rollerball and North American could
be "Googleland" or something. :-D




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