Man if phone lines go away at some point it will be the end of an era for me. I
only recently stopped using them and have used them my whole life...

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Re: phone lines
By: peter parker to All on Mon May 01 2017 01:07 pm

Man if phone lines go away at some point it will be the end of an era for me. I
only recently stopped using them and have used them my whole life...

i havent had a regular phone line since 1996-97 and dont miss it.
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Re: phone lines
By: Mro to peter parker on Mon May 01 2017 05:13 pm

Re: phone lines
By: peter parker to All on Mon May 01 2017 01:07 pm

Man if phone lines go away at some point it will be the end of an era for me. I
only recently stopped using them and have used them my whole life...

i havent had a regular phone line since 1996-97 and dont miss it.
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Setting my BBS up on a phone line may seem like a futile exercise, but i look at it as my chance to be one of the last dial up systems in the world, and if i keep it going long enough maybe i'll be the proud owner of the real final dial up board until they forcably shut off my phone service! :P (who knows how long that could be, maybe landlines will be completely gone in a time frame as short as 7 years or as long as 25... you never know... Or maybe world war III will wipe us all out before anyone has the chance to permanantly shut the phone system off :) BOOM! *dies and reincarnates in an alternate universe where BBS's are still popular*

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Re: phone lines
By: Alec Aaron Roberts to Mro on Mon May 01 2017 09:01 pm

Setting my BBS up on a phone line may seem like a futile exercise, but i look at it as my chance to be one of the last dial up systems in the world, and if i keep it going long enough maybe i'll be the proud owner of the real final dial up board until they forcably shut off my phone service! :P (who

i had a dialup -> telnet redirector setup for many years.

1 guy used it.

sometimes being the last is not worth it. i encourage you to put your efforts in something more productive.
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Re: phone lines
By: Alec Aaron Roberts to Mro on Mon May 01 2017 09:01 pm

Setting my BBS up on a phone line may seem like a futile exercise, but i look at it as my chance to be one of the last dial up systems in the world, and if i keep it going long enough maybe i'll be the proud owner of the real final dial up board until they forcably shut off my phone service! :P (who knows how long that could be, maybe landlines will be completely gone in a time frame as short as 7 years or as long as 25... you never know... Or maybe world war III will wipe us all out before anyone has the chance to permanantly shut the phone system off :) BOOM! *dies and reincarnates in an alternate universe where BBS's are still popular* [0m

I have to admit that there are days that my pots line receives no calls at all, but then there are other days that I get up to 2-3 calls a day. some don't last too long (long distance I presume), and others don't make it too far past the handshake (i'd say voip), and others have stayed on the system for a while, and are return callers.

I had first lent my number out to a telnet to BBS gateway services which shall remain nameless and a LOT of calls came in due to that, BUT they would always drop carrier about 2 minutes in or so. so I believe that interface was a little too much for them to deal with or either the callers were calling because they just wanted to access my bbs and not have to go throough a lot of stuff to get to a BBS. I don't know which it was, I myself believe the gatway service is a good idea, being able to access MANY systems worldwide using POTS lines worldwide. but I believe a lot of the users di'dnt think it was user friendly.. thats all I can get out of it.

to sum it up.. sometimes it suprises me at the calls I get on the line every week.

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Re: phone lines
By: Mro to Alec Aaron Roberts on Tue May 02 2017 12:55 am

i had a dialup -> telnet redirector setup for many years.

1 guy used it.

sometimes being the last is not worth it. i encourage you to put your efforts in something more productive.

Its all in perspective and what you offer, my pots line CAME with the DSL, it HAD to be installed anyway and does not have outgoing calling, only incoming, and it's free, and otherwise I don't use it. as I explained in another message when I had it setup for the gateway service, no one would use it. but now that it goes straight to the BBS I get more use than I expected, and most of the users are hams, so "outcomes may differ". if the pots line is free, or very low cost to keep up *why not* it's just another way someone can access the system, and amazing enough, there are *still* people out there that DO NOT have internet access.

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Re: phone lines
By: KK4QBN to Mro on Tue May 02 2017 08:23 am

use it. but now that it goes straight to the BBS I get more use than I expected, and most of the users are hams, so "outcomes may differ". if the pots line is free, or very low cost to keep up *why not* it's just another way someone can access the system, and amazing enough, there are *still* people out there that DO NOT have internet access.

yeah there are a lot of places that still dont have fast internet access. there's a lot of situations where the neighbor across the street gets fibre but they are fucked and cant.
in some areas there are good reasons like the cost of having it installed is too high, in others they are just holding eachother back.

then you have verizon doing 4g repeaters and just giving people 10gigs a month and a high cost for any gigs after that which is total bullshit.
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KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-

Its all in perspective and what you offer, my pots line CAME with the
DSL, it HAD to be installed anyway and does not have outgoing calling, only incoming, and it's free, and otherwise I don't use it. as I
explained in another message when I had it setup for the gateway
service, no one would use it. but now that it goes straight to the BBS
I get more use than I expected, and most of the users are hams, so "outcomes may differ". if the pots line is free, or very low cost to
keep up *why not* it's just another way someone can access the system,
and amazing enough, there are *still* people out there that DO NOT have internet access.

I was going to go down the POTS route, as I currently have a free POTS line that's doing nothing other than collecting telemarketing calls (which go to an answering machine ;) ). However, the POTS line has a limited life, as I could be switching from DSL by the end of the month, which means no more POTS line, so it's no longer worth setting up a modem. Pity, I actually have several modems here. I might try VoIP using uLAW (which should work as well as POTS on a good connection).




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I might try VoIP using uLAW (which should work as well as POTS on
a good connection).

What is uLAW?

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What is uLAW?

Basically non linear sampling, same as used on US landlines. Results in 64kbps data rate from an 8 kHz sample rate.

Europe and Australia use a very similar, but slightly different encoding on POTS.

So, provided there's no issues with packet loss or jitter, it should work as well as a POTS line for modems.


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I might try VoIP using uLAW (which should work as well as POTS on
a good connection).

What is uLAW?

Basically an Audio Codec for voice networks. uLaw (or really, muLaw, it's a greek character that looks like a u) is used in standard POTS lines.

Wikipedia gives a good description: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9C-law_algorithm

Also check out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.711

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Re: phone lines
By: Alec Aaron Roberts to Mro on Mon May 01 2017 09:01 pm

Setting my BBS up on a phone line may seem like a futile exercise, but i look at it as my chance to be one of the last dial up systems in the world,

There is a BBS list for dial up BBS's on telnetbbsguide.com

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Re: Re: phone lines
By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed May 03 2017 07:53 am

I was going to go down the POTS route, as I currently have a free POTS line that's doing nothing other than collecting telemarketing calls (which go to an answering machine ;) ). However, the POTS line has a limited life, as I

I need to set up a pots line just for the stupid telemarketers.

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So, provided there's no issues with packet loss or jitter, it should work as well as a POTS line for modems.

Thanks! Sounds promising.

Mike

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Basically an Audio Codec for voice networks. uLaw (or really, muLaw, it's a greek character that looks like a u) is used in standard POTS lines.

Thanks!

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I need to set up a pots line just for the stupid telemarketers.

Haha, yeah, they're a pain. :(


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Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-

So, provided there's no issues with packet loss or jitter, it should work as well as a POTS line for modems.

Thanks! Sounds promising.

I haven't tried this yet, but I could easily do the experiment one day. As a bonus, I could run dialins in the major Australian cities inexpensively. :)


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Basically an Audio Codec for voice networks. uLaw (or really, muLaw, it's a greek character that looks like a u) is used in standard POTS lines.

Thanks!

No prob!

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