• On MP3's popularity.

    From peter parker@VERT/KK4QBN to Chris on Sun Jun 11 10:43:38 2017
    Eh, I think the average joe doesn't save actual audio files anymore. I think most just use YouTube or Spotify. The hardcore usually use flac. And, yeah, I guess anyone who isn't an audiophile and doesn't stream uses mp3. But that's mainly because mp3 had already been the dominant format for MANY years; I doubt mp3 going patent-free will affect how popular it is or isn't among the average joe that much.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to peter parker on Sun Jun 11 15:10:03 2017
    Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: peter parker to Chris on Sun Jun 11 2017 10:43 am

    Eh, I think the average joe doesn't save actual audio files anymore. I think most just use YouTube or Spotify. The hardcore usually use flac.
    And, yeah, I guess anyone who isn't an audiophile and doesn't stream uses mp3. But that's mainly because mp3 had already been the dominant format for MANY years; I doubt mp3 going patent-free will affect how popular it is or isn't among the average joe that much.



    i just ripped the leftover's audiobook to flac because i couldnt download it anywhere. boy was it a pain in the ass.
    took 10 mins per cd and i had 8 cds. then i had to rename them
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  • From Denn Gray@VERT/OUTWEST to Mro on Sun Jun 11 15:32:27 2017
    Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: Mro to peter parker on Sun Jun 11 2017 03:10 pm

    i just ripped the leftover's audiobook to flac because i couldnt download it anywhere. boy was it a pain in the ass.
    took 10 mins per cd and i had 8 cds. then i had to rename them

    You can never recover that part of your life, that time is gone 4-ever!

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to peter parker on Mon Jun 12 08:36:00 2017
    peter parker wrote to Chris <=-

    Eh, I think the average joe doesn't save actual audio files anymore. I think most just use YouTube or Spotify. The hardcore usually use flac.
    And, yeah, I guess anyone who isn't an audiophile and doesn't stream
    uses mp3. But that's mainly because mp3 had already been the dominant format for MANY years; I doubt mp3 going patent-free will affect how popular it is or isn't among the average joe that much.

    The only thing going patent free will do is further increase the penetration of the format - will be in all Linux distros by default, no jumping through hoops for those who use distros that don't normally include "non free" software, possibly more implementations (though LAME is hard to beat), etc.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to peter parker on Mon Jun 12 09:31:31 2017
    Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: peter parker to Chris on Sun Jun 11 2017 10:43 am

    Eh, I think the average joe doesn't save actual audio files anymore. I think most just use YouTube or Spotify. The hardcore usually use flac.

    What makes you say that? I don't think it's reasonably feasible to stream music all the time.. Sometimes there are places you might go where you don't have a signal, and even if you do, you might risk using up all of your cell data for the month. And sometimes I just like to be able to play music without relying on having an internet conneciton..

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn Gray on Mon Jun 12 18:57:40 2017
    Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: Denn Gray to Mro on Sun Jun 11 2017 03:32 pm

    Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: Mro to peter parker on Sun Jun 11 2017 03:10 pm

    i just ripped the leftover's audiobook to flac because i couldnt download it anywhere. boy was it a pain in the ass.
    took 10 mins per cd and i had 8 cds. then i had to rename them

    You can never recover that part of your life, that time is gone 4-ever!



    well it was a pain in the ass just sitting there waiting to put the next cd in. i'd rather be doing anything else.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Mon Jun 12 18:59:29 2017
    Re: Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: Vk3jed to peter parker on Mon Jun 12 2017 08:36 am


    The only thing going patent free will do is further increase the penetration of the format - will be in all Linux distros by default, no jumping through hoops for those who use distros that don't normally include "non free" software, possibly more implementations (though LAME is hard to beat), etc.

    the mp3 patent was non enforcable and bullshit. this is all a non issue. there were many big names in the mp3 development and 2 contributers claimed that they were the sole owner of mp3.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tue Jun 13 08:20:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to peter parker <=-

    What makes you say that? I don't think it's reasonably feasible to
    stream music all the time.. Sometimes there are places you might go
    where you don't have a signal, and even if you do, you might risk using
    up all of your cell data for the month. And sometimes I just like to
    be able to play music without relying on having an internet
    conneciton..

    Yeah, while I do have Spotify, I play music from media files almost every time.
    The reasons are:

    1. I rarely listen to music at home (and if I did, DSL is crap here ATM).

    2. Mobile coverage is prone to dropouts.

    3. Mobile data is still relatively expensive here, I actually leave it turned off on the phone that has the music, to save a heap of money.

    4. If out walking, playing local files uses a fraction of the battery power that streaming uses - the difference between playing music all day or only a couple of hours.

    So, I will be using locally stored media files for quite some time yet.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Tue Jun 13 11:44:00 2017
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    the mp3 patent was non enforcable and bullshit. this is all a non
    issue. there were many big names in the mp3 development and 2
    contributers claimed that they were the sole owner of mp3.

    Bullshit or otherwise, its presence was enough to affect some people.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wed Jun 14 19:01:36 2017
    Re: Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Tue Jun 13 2017 11:44 am

    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    the mp3 patent was non enforcable and bullshit. this is all a non issue. there were many big names in the mp3 development and 2 contributers claimed that they were the sole owner of mp3.

    Bullshit or otherwise, its presence was enough to affect some people.



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Thu Jun 15 12:24:00 2017
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Bullshit or otherwise, its presence was enough to affect some people.



    only if they chose to be affected.
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    Either way, that's out of your hands when it comes to stuff other people make. :)


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Thu Jun 15 00:07:34 2017
    Re: Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Thu Jun 15 2017 12:24 pm

    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Bullshit or otherwise, its presence was enough to affect some people.



    only if they chose to be affected.
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    Either way, that's out of your hands when it comes to stuff other people make. :)

    i dont know what you mean by that.
    fraunhauffer or whatever was one contributer out of many.
    there was also another contributer that claimed to own the mp3 format.

    nothing came of their claims and nobody was ever sued. sometimes they collected money from software developers so they profitted in that form. still, just because they claimed something that doesnt make it so.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Thu Jun 15 19:02:00 2017
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i dont know what you mean by that.

    Simple, some people didn't liek the idea someone had a patent claim on MP3. If they took action to avoid the patent entanglement, that decision is out of your hands.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Thu Jun 15 18:42:19 2017
    Re: Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Thu Jun 15 2017 07:02 pm

    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i dont know what you mean by that.

    Simple, some people didn't liek the idea someone had a patent claim on MP3. If they took action to avoid the patent entanglement, that decision is out of your hands.


    what decision
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  • From Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to Nightfox on Thu Jun 15 23:27:13 2017
    Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: peter parker to Chris on Sun Jun 11 2017 10:43 am

    What makes you say that? I don't think it's reasonably feasible to stream music all the time.. Sometimes there are places you might go where you don't have a signal, and even if you do, you might risk using up all of your cell data for the month. And sometimes I just like to be able to play music without relying on having an internet conneciton..

    Nightfox

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    Services like Apple Music and Spotify have the option to store music on your device - so you can build playlists of stuff you want to be able to listen to even when your data is limited or spotty.

    I pay $14.99/month for an Apple Music family plan, and I honestly couldn't live without it. Fiancee's always wanting to listen to a new musical, son hops on to find music from the latest kids' movie he just watched. And I'm listening to the same Flaming Lips and Hawkwind albums on repeat. :p

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Deepthaw on Fri Jun 16 09:33:24 2017
    Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: Deepthaw to Nightfox on Thu Jun 15 2017 11:27 pm

    Services like Apple Music and Spotify have the option to store music on your device - so you can build playlists of stuff you want to be able to listen to even when your data is limited or spotty.

    Interesting, and good to know. I didn't think that would be totally legal - The industry got after Napster etc. for people downloading music..

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Fri Jun 16 23:39:53 2017
    Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: Nightfox to Deepthaw on Fri Jun 16 2017 09:33 am

    Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: Deepthaw to Nightfox on Thu Jun 15 2017 11:27 pm

    Services like Apple Music and Spotify have the option to store music on your device - so you can build playlists of stuff you want to be able to listen to even when your data is limited or spotty.

    Interesting, and good to know. I didn't think that would be totally legal - The industry got after Napster etc. for people downloading music..



    look at youtube. you can get all kinds of stuff from youtube but somehow that is legal?
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Sat Jun 17 06:10:00 2017
    Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-

    So, I will be using locally stored media files for quite some time yet.

    One thing that rocks my world is being able to play USB media in my
    car. I have close to 10,000 songs on a USB stick in my car and can
    sort by ID3 info, as well as playing music by playlists. When my kids
    hear a song they like, they can ask me to add it to their list.

    Sure beats the box of cassettes rattling in the back seat.



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Poindexter Fortran on Sun Jun 18 08:40:00 2017
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    One thing that rocks my world is being able to play USB media in my
    car. I have close to 10,000 songs on a USB stick in my car and can
    sort by ID3 info, as well as playing music by playlists. When my kids
    hear a song they like, they can ask me to add it to their list.

    I don't have a car stereo capable of playing MP3s directly (I wish!). Neat system. I'm having a bit of a battle with the old iPhone. They did something in iOS9 that affects shuffle mode. It is no longer truly random and seems to like putting crap songs on fast rotation. Older iOS versions didn't do that.

    Sure beats the box of cassettes rattling in the back seat.

    Sure does! :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Mon Jun 19 09:04:37 2017
    Re: On MP3's popularity.
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Fri Jun 16 2017 11:39 pm

    Services like Apple Music and Spotify have the option to store
    music on your device - so you can build playlists of stuff you
    want to be able to listen to even when your data is limited or
    spotty.

    Interesting, and good to know. I didn't think that would be totally
    legal - The industry got after Napster etc. for people downloading
    music..

    look at youtube. you can get all kinds of stuff from youtube but somehow that is legal?

    YouTube doesn't easily let you directly download stuff though, as far as I know.. If you want to download a song or whatever from YouTube, you have to use a 3rd-party tool.

    Nightfox

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