When I have guests in my home I don't give them a list of rules when
they walk in the door. I just expect them to behave like humans, if they T>don't they are not invited back.

The thing is, you are catering to "the lowest common denominator" with
many people. The newspaper is wriitten at a LOW elementary school level.
Just look in the newspaper or on Facebook, and look at the "stupidity"
that abounds.

With having it "in writing" (even if in a bulletin), they see it
there, and can't say "they weren't warned on how to act". Common sense
has gone the way of the dinosaur in so many areas...and without rules,
there's anarchy. And, I have the statement that "Your continued use of
the BBS is your AGREEMENT with everything that is in the BBS Disclaimer
(which is REQUIRED READING for all users)...whether you read it or not".

I also REQUIRE New User Feedback, telling where they heard about the
BBS, and what they're looking for in it...plus, they have to
successfully complete the Telnet Email Verifier within 48 hours, or
their account is DELETED WITHOUT COMMENT. I figure if they don't
complete the process, they're not really interested in being a user on
the BBS.

However, I have picked up several users via amateur radio, and have
several amateur radio file areas and doors on the BBS that are
EXCLUSIVELY for them...they have to provide proof of a valid amateur
radio license before access is granted.

That's the reason I can't call your BBS, you have un reasonable rules you
force on GUESTS IN YOUR HOME. (Shouting like you)

Well, that's your choice. I am NOT forcing you or anyone else to logon
to my BBS...and I logon to other BBS's, or have them in my "selected
telnet BBS's" screen because I WANT to...NOT because I HAVE to...and
prefer users who logon to my BBS because they WANT to...and NOT because
they HAVE to. I know several are driven away from the BBS by how I run
it...but there are plenty of other BBS's around that may be more to
their liking. While ALL CAPS is considered SHOUTING, I'm doing it for
EMPHASIS.

The same thing applied to the U.S. Amateur Radio Hobby. After the
Federal Communications Commission DROPPED the Morse Code requirement for
a ham radio license over 10 years ago...now, people are learning the
Morse Code because they WANT to...NOT because they HAVE to. The same
also applies to ham radio traffic nets, clubs, etc. If one doesn't like
a certain traffic net format, club, etc., there are plenty of others
that may be more to ones liking.

Basically, I would rather have a SMALL group of QUALITY users who are
going to play by the rules I've laid down, than a LARGE group of
quantity users who choose not to do likewise. Every Sysop runs their BBS
the way they want it, and I run my BBS the way I want it.

The same applies to when I do amateur radio traffic nets. I certainly
am not going to lose any sleep if I don't get a large number of checkins
(I'll just shut the net down early), and I don't lose any sleep if I'm
the only logon on my BBS for a week...let alone that I don't have a
large number of users. At one time, I automatically purged users who had
not logged on at least once every 3 months...and I knew one Sysop who
purged users who didn't logon at least once a week.

I also purge messages every 30 days, because after that, to me they
are no longer timely. And, the BBS is OFFLINE whenever there's a threat
of thunderstorms. I am a 2 time lightning strike survivor, and know that
no amount of surge protection will protect you from a direct or even a
nearby lightning strike. I know that no one is going to pay me a large
sum of money to keep the system online during thunderstorms.

Besides, with a large number of "users", you have no idea if a
particular user is still alive or not...and ALL of us have a meeting
with "The Grim Reaper" one day. I have kept one slot in place for my
late wife, even though she has been gone for over 10 years, as a
memorial to her. We met through a BBS at the local college...and she was Co-Sysop before we married, and during our marriage until the day she
died of a massive heart attack. So, I run the BBS in memory of my late
wife (as each of us had promised to do, in case the other one died
first), plus it's one of the few hobbies that I can still do, because of

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declining health. And, none of us is getting any younger.

Could you post a screen shot of the list of rules and regulations you hand
out to people who are actually GUESTS IN YOUR HOME for me to see?

I rarely have company come by...either fellow residents or ham radio operators...and it's not because of "these rules". I have plenty to do
with the BBS and ham radio traffic nets to keep me busy.

But, since you must know, here are "my rules":

1) No smoking due to electronic equipment. Kissing a smoker is like
licking an ash tray. Chewing tobacco is just as nasty...and both cause cancer...never mind the cigarette/cigar smoking making your clothes reek
of the stench...which makes me ill.

2) No alcoholic beverages -- I don't want or need drunkards in here. I
lost a close friend in college to a drunk driver...these are the ones
causing "whiskey orphans" nowadays.

3) No taking of The Lord's Name in vain. Besides, intelligent people
don't need to curse to express themselves...because they have enough of
a command of the English Language, where they don't have to use
profanity. My late wife was such a person.

4) No admittance, except for:

A) Management/Staff, especially for monthly inspections.
B) Those doing cleaning, or spraying for insects.
C) Emergency Medical or Law Enforcement Personnel.
D) Family or Friends, via prior arrangement (to be sure I'm here).

If I don't know or "trust" them, I don't let them in. There are too
many "low lifes" out here, who are nosey and sticky fingered (which is
why I obtained a Post Office Box)...looking to steal stuff for alcoholic beverages, tobacco, or illicit drugs. They have found instances of meth
labs out here in the past; and one night, there was a stabbing. When you
hear a police officer outside the bedroom window saying "This one is not breathing", that's not good. But, there's hardly "a safe place" anymore.

I had an alarm system installed the day my late wife died, and feel
better with it. To me, if you let a total, unknown stranger into your
home in this day and age...whether for the BBS or otherwise, you have a
death wish.

I am also part time caregiver for my Mom, who turns 91 this fall, and
she does NOT go out, unless I'm doing the driving...which is the case
for doctors appointments, etc. I usually take her out on errands once a week...plus, I do all of her grocery shopping.

I have plenty to do with the BBS, ham radio, and square dancing, plus
a few websites, to keep me busy. So, during these times, I'm content to
be alone, without company. While I'm busier than I was when I was
married, some days, admittedly it gets awfully lonely.

Also, while I have a fondness for dachshunds, I re-homed the one I had
the day my wife died. And, with the surgeries, hospitalizations, and
emergency room trips this year, I can't afford the extra expense of a
pet. Plus, you have to agree to the pet policy at the apartment complex
(they must have their shots current, be spayed or neutered, and either
only a small animal, or a certified service animal), and pay a yearly
pet fee.

The only way you can live here is being either elderly or disabled.
Your rent is based on 30% of your income, and you must go through an
annual rent recertification, or you face eviction...as you would for
failing an inspection. From what I understand, compared to some of the
other apartments out here, "my apartment is immaculate".

Daryl

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Re: Flame wars 2/2
By: Daryl Stout to TINY on Sat Jul 29 2017 08:40 am

But, since you must know, here are "my rules":

1) No smoking due to electronic equipment. Kissing a smoker is like
licking an ash tray.

you are going to make out with all your house visitors?

Chewing tobacco is just as nasty...and both cause
cancer...never mind the cigarette/cigar smoking making your clothes reek
of the stench...which makes me ill.

chewing tobacco can get you high if you get the right type.
also i know people who smoke a lot and dont smell like smoke. they always smoke outside.

2) No alcoholic beverages -- I don't want or need drunkards in here. I
lost a close friend in college to a drunk driver...these are the ones causing "whiskey orphans" nowadays.

i drink every week but i dont get drunk.

3) No taking of The Lord's Name in vain. Besides, intelligent people

jesus christ!
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Re: Flame wars 2/2
By: Mro to Daryl Stout on Sat Jul 29 2017 08:18 pm

also i know people who smoke a lot and dont smell like smoke. they always smoke outside.

The smell seems to follow you though. I know people who smoke outside, but I can always smell it on them after they come back in.

Nightfox

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Re: Smoking
By: Nightfox to Mro on Sat Jul 29 2017 07:09 pm

Re: Flame wars 2/2
By: Mro to Daryl Stout on Sat Jul 29 2017 08:18 pm

also i know people who smoke a lot and dont smell like smoke. they always smoke outside.

The smell seems to follow you though. I know people who smoke outside, but I can always smell it on them after they come back in.

maybe they are standing in the wrong direction. also some people smoke inside too
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you are going to make out with all your house visitors?

Don't be stupid. I used that expression to show how gross it is.

chewing tobacco can get you high if you get the right type.
also i know people who smoke a lot and dont smell like smoke. they always smo M>outside.

I used to participate in a bowling league, where "the smoke in there
was so thick, you thought you were getting cancer of the eyeballs". I
start coughing and gagging violently if I'm in or near a smoke filled
room, or with people whose clothing smells of it. On one trip to a BBS gathering in Louisiana, the hotel put me in a smoking room overnight,
instead of a NON-SMOKING room like I had requested. I thought I was
going to have to call 911, as I was having trouble breathing.

i drink every week but i dont get drunk.

Everyone's system is different...but I have more holsum things to
spend my money on, than vices of tobacco or alcohol.

3) No taking of The Lord's Name in vain. Besides, intelligent people

jesus christ!

You will answer for that on Judgment Day.

Daryl

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also i know people who smoke a lot and dont smell like smoke. they alway smoke outside.

The smell seems to follow you though. I know people who smoke outside, but I N>can always smell it on them after they come back in.

You are correct on that. And, if ones sense of smell is seemingly
acute as a dog's (they can smell one part of urine in 60 million parts
of water), it's even more pronounced.

Daryl

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Re: Flame wars 2/2
By: Daryl Stout to MRO on Sun Jul 30 2017 09:36 am

i drink every week but i dont get drunk.

Everyone's system is different...but I have more holsum things to
spend my money on, than vices of tobacco or alcohol.

i dont consider drinking once a week a vice.

You will answer for that on Judgment Day.

i will see YOU in hell!
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Re: Flame wars 2/2
By: Daryl Stout to MRO on Sun Jul 30 2017 09:36:00

I used to participate in a bowling league, where "the smoke in there
was so thick, you thought you were getting cancer of the eyeballs". I start coughing and gagging violently if I'm in or near a smoke filled room, or with people whose clothing smells of it. On one trip to a BBS gathering in Louisiana, the hotel put me in a smoking room overnight, instead of a NON-SMOKING room like I had requested. I thought I was
going to have to call 911, as I was having trouble breathing.

I cannot stand the smell of stale smoke, or really smoke at all.. kinda weird considering I still *do* smoke.

I actually laid it down for a couple months then picked back up on it when I went back to driving 12 hours a day.. It's still one addiction I have'nt been able to kick.. and I really don't know why because I despise it.

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Re: Flame wars 2/2
By: Mro to Daryl Stout on Sun Jul 30 2017 15:05:29

Everyone's system is different...but I have more holsum things to
spend my money on, than vices of tobacco or alcohol.

i dont consider drinking once a week a vice.

I cannot drink, but I agree fully, (1) if you can afford what you are drinking and (2) do not get drunk, how can it be a vice.. for most of modern mans history their drink came in form of alcohol. so it truly is a staple, its up there with bread..

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Re: Flame wars 2/2
By: KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Jul 30 2017 06:04 pm

Everyone's system is different...but I have more holsum things to
spend my money on, than vices of tobacco or alcohol.

i dont consider drinking once a week a vice.

I cannot drink, but I agree fully, (1) if you can afford what you are drinking and (2) do not get drunk, how can it be a vice.. for most of modern mans history their drink came in form of alcohol. so it truly is a staple, its up there with bread..

yep, back in the old days ale and whatever was the only safe thing to drink.

last weekend we were out on a company picnic with my gf's company and her coworker's boyfriend was an alcoholic. he was putting many free beers down but he didnt get affected at all. he must have an expensive habit.

he also proposed to her in a bar which she found very tacky. he is a great guy and better than her ex husband who lived off of her and gave her STDS and was packing heat.

my gf's coworkers make US look normal.
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You will answer for that on Judgment Day.

i will see YOU in hell!

No, you will NOT...for 2 reasons.

1) I accepted God's Free Love Gift in the Person of His Son, Jesus
Christ, nearly 30 years ago...because someone told me that I was a lost
sinner, on my way to Hell.

The Holy Spirit broke my heart, I saw the Truth, then prayed, and
asked The Lord Jesus Christ to save my soul, and cleanse me of all my
sins, by His Precious Shed Blood on the Old Rugged Cross of Calvary. I
also believe, and accept by faith that "He rose from the dead on the
Third Day, according to The Scriptures", and that He is coming back to
rule and reign on the Earth...and all of His Enemies will be destroyed,
and cast into The Lake Of Fire, with Satan and his demonic hordes, to be tormented forever.

God's Standard is PERFECTION...and I can NEVER meet that standard.
Besides, I have seen numerous instances of God and His Son Jesus Christ
working in my life over the last 29 years, that it trumps the claims of
those who refuse to believe He exists, or remarks of those who use His
Name as "a swear word"...thinking it's "a joke"...and that "God will let
them into Heaven regardless of their life". That's a lie out of the
Pit Of Hell...to go with the other lies from The Devil (Satan), which
are that he has people believing that he himself doesn't exist...and
that "there is no God, Judgment, Heaven, or Hell".

2) Speaking of Hell, sulphur has a thick, dark flame, and has the smell
of rotten eggs. Hell is far hotter than the combination of a molten
volcano, and the heat of a lightning bolt...which in itself, is 5 times
hotter than the surface of the sun.

Jesus Christ is the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON that you, and anyone else
who has ever lived, will meet. What you do with Him will determine
whether you go to Heaven, or to Hell...so the choice is yours, on
whether to accept His Free Love Gift, or to reject it.

For if the believers ON Jesus Christ (and not just IN Him) are WRONG,
we won't lose much when we die...except for a few petty sins, that don't
make one happy, anyway. I am still a SINNER, in this mortal corruptible flesh...but I'm a SINNER SAVED BY THE GRACE of God.

And, you have to admit that one day, we WILL know WHO IS RIGHT.

Everyone gets at least one chance to hear The Gospel. Yet, the
majority of people on Earth do NOT want to hear the word REPENT (to
change their mind about sin, and accept God's Free Love Gift). True
believers ON The Lord Jesus Christ are COMMANDED by Him to witness to
those who do NOT know Him as Lord and Saviour. What their decision is concerning the Gospel, is THEIR INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY. If the
Christians didn't care about the eternity of others, we'd keep our
mouths shut.

I guarantee you that those who are NOW in the torments of Hell,
are screaming with being tormented by demons...plus they are cursing
God, because "all hope is gone"...and they *WISH* they could hear that
word one more time. But, His Offer of Grace and Salvation EXPIRES when
you die...and there is no second chance after death.

All I can do is pray that those who consider "The Preaching Of The
Cross" as "offensive, foolishness, and stupid" will REPENT before it's
too late. Those who "wish the Bible Thumping Jesus Freaks would just
vanish from the Earth" will sooner more than later get their wish...in
The Rapture Of The Church, which is closer by the second.

It is obvious to me that you want no more discussion on this...in
short, "your blood is off my hands".

If you want no more posts from me, just put my name into the user.can
file (or whatever your user trash can file is) -- you will never see a
post to or from me again. But, bear in mind, that others can do likewise
to you or to anyone else...whether they are using a real name, or an
alias.

Daryl


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Re: Flame wars 1/2
By: Daryl Stout to MRO on Sun Jul 30 2017 05:56 pm

2) Speaking of Hell, sulphur has a thick, dark flame, and has the smell
of rotten eggs. Hell is far hotter than the combination of a molten
volcano, and the heat of a lightning bolt...which in itself, is 5 times

according to the bible hell is colder than heaven.

Jesus Christ is the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON that you, and anyone else
who has ever lived, will meet. What you do with Him will determine

he was probably an alien.

I guarantee you that those who are NOW in the torments of Hell,
are screaming with being tormented by demons...plus they are cursing
God, because "all hope is gone"...and they *WISH* they could hear that
word one more time. But, His Offer of Grace and Salvation EXPIRES when

if good was a real good person he would take them into heaven.

All I can do is pray that those who consider "The Preaching Of The
Cross" as "offensive, foolishness, and stupid" will REPENT before it's
too late. Those who "wish the Bible Thumping Jesus Freaks would just
vanish from the Earth" will sooner more than later get their wish...in

the more i hear people say 'i'm going to heaven and you arent' the more i am happy to not be included with that group of people.

infact, i wouldnt be surprised if there's a spot in hell reserved for people like that.

too late. Those who "wish the Bible Thumping Jesus Freaks would just
vanish from the Earth" will sooner more than later get their wish...in

there is no such thing as people vanishing from the earth.
why would they need to? they could just die and go to heaven that way.

If you want no more posts from me, just put my name into the user.can
file (or whatever your user trash can file is)

i'm not the kind of person who disagrees with someone so much that if they have opposing views they have to be entirely removed from my sight. i'm happy to co-exist with people with different views. i dont have the false belief that something that i dont agree with needs to be removed from the internet (or in your views, those people should burn in hell)

-- you will never see a
post to or from me again. But, bear in mind, that others can do likewise
to you or to anyone else...whether they are using a real name, or an
alias.

thanks for the tips, i just started running synchronet last week and i know nothing about it.

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KK4QBN wrote to Daryl Stout <=-

I actually laid it down for a couple months then picked back up on it
when I went back to driving 12 hours a day.. It's still one addiction I have'nt been able to kick.. and I really don't know why because I
despise it.

Hmm, that is odd. In that state of mind, it was easy for me to quit and never return. :) Now my habits are of a more sporting nature. ;)


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KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-

i dont consider drinking once a week a vice.

I cannot drink, but I agree fully, (1) if you can afford what you are drinking and (2) do not get drunk, how can it be a vice.. for most of modern mans history their drink came in form of alcohol. so it truly is
a staple, its up there with bread..

I now drink so little I might as well not drink, but yeah I agree, if one's level of drinking is not interfering with normal life or health, then there is no problem, once a week is definitely not a vice, unless it's a binge every week.


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Mro wrote to KK4QBN <=-

my gf's coworkers make US look normal.

.... we sure know you two 'aint normal so wow.

Shawn

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Re: Flame wars 2/2
By: Tiny to Mro on Mon Jul 31 2017 10:52 am

Mro wrote to KK4QBN <=-

my gf's coworkers make US look normal.

.... we sure know you two 'aint normal so wow.

i'm pretty normal compared to the other people i know. i work, sleep and eat. i dont have any skeletons and nobody will find those hookers i buried 10 years ago.
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Re: Flame wars 2/2
By: Mro to Tiny on Mon Jul 31 2017 04:21 pm

my gf's coworkers make US look normal.

.... we sure know you two 'aint normal so wow.

i'm pretty normal compared to the other people i know. i work, sleep and eat. i dont have any skeletons and nobody will find those hookers i buried 10 years ago.

I'm not crazy, I'm scary.

"... This just in, Police find body's of missing hookrs in Mro's basment."

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Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-

i'm pretty normal compared to the other people i know. i work, sleep
and eat. i dont have any skeletons and nobody will find those hookers i buried 10 years ago.

Should run for politics. That's why I have friends with pig farms, those damn hookers.

Shawn

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according to the bible hell is colder than heaven.

I don't know what translation you read, but it likely was inspired by
Satan. The Devil and his demon hordes are laughing uncontrollably at
you, for the chains you let him put on you.

Hell will eventually be cast into The Lake Of Fire...and everyone who
rejects Christ...along with Satan and his demonic hordes...will be there forever.

Jesus Christ is the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON that you, and anyone else
who has ever lived, will meet. What you do with Him will determine

he was probably an alien.

Blasphemer!! You will answer to God for that.

if good was a real good person he would take them into heaven.

WRONG!! If only ONE SIN was recorded in your life...ever...in
thought, word, or deed, you can NOT enter Heaven. Romans 3:10 says
"There is NONE RIGHTEOUS", and Romans 3:23 says "For ALL have sinned,
and come short of The Glory Of God". Isaiah 64:3 says "all our
righteousness is as filthy rags"...literally, bloody menstrual cloths.
The only hope for mankind is to accept God's Free Love Gift, and be
covered by The Blood of Jesus. Satan can NOT cross that "Blood Line".

the more i hear people say 'i'm going to heaven and you arent' the more i am M>happy to not be included with that group of people.

May God have mercy on your unrepentant soul.

infact, i wouldnt be surprised if there's a spot in hell reserved for people M>like that.

If the individual's name is NOT in The Book Of Life, they won't go to Heaven...no matter how good they think they are.

there is no such thing as people vanishing from the earth.
why would they need to? they could just die and go to heaven that way.

Because in Revelation 3:10, Jesus Christ promised the true believers
that "Because you have kept The Word Of My Patience, I will keep you
from the Tribulation that is coming upon the world to try all flesh". It
will be like the world has never seen, with the following 21 plagues:

1) The Antichrist is revealed -- literally Satan incarnate. He will at
first appear to be "the saviour of the world", but his mass genocide of
Jews and Christians will make the regimes of Hitler, Mao, and Stalin,
pale by comparison. He signs a peace treaty with Israel, but breaks it 3
1/2 years later.

2) Peace is taken completely away from the Earth. You can forget about
calling the police to protect you from thugs.

3) Famine will become global, and it will take one days wages to buy one
meal for one person...many will starve to death.

4) Death on a massive scale.

5) Mass murder of Christians.

6) Worldwide earthquake, with the sun, moon, and stars darkened, by all
the smoke, likely from fires, and nuclear war. Rulers of the world will
flee to the mountains, pleading for the mountains to fall on them.

7) Silence in Heaven for a half hour, in preparation for the next set of judgments/plagues:

8) One third of the trees, and all green grass on Earth is burned up.
That means no more crops for food...let alone grass to feed the animals.
They will become vicious, attacking and killing humans.

9) One third of the oceans is turned to blood, one third of the life in
the sea dies, and one third of the ships are destroyed.

10) One third of the fresh water supply is poisoned, and people die from

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drinking it, because it has become bitter.

11) Light from the sun, moon, and stars, is reduced by one third. Night
is longer than daylight.

12) Demonic hordes of locusts, with scorpion like stings, attack
everyone on Earth. The only ones IMMUNE will be those who have accepted
Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour (including The Two Witnesses, and
144,000 Jews -- the world will despise The Two Witnesses, but anyone
trying to kill them will die). All the pain killers in the world
(hydrocodone, oxycodone, etc.) won't even dull the pain. Those trying to
commit suicide will be unable to do so.

13) The four living beings bound at the Euphrates River are released to
kill 1/3 of the remaining population of the Earth...at least 1/4 to 1/3
of the population will have already died or been murdered. So, at this
point, nearly, or just over half of the world's population, will have
been destroyed.

14) The Kingdom Of God on Earth, is proclaimed in Heaven. The 144,000
Jews have been martyred by this time, and the Antichrist (#1 above)
kills The Two Witnesses, triggering a worldwide celebration (he
leaves their bodies in the street, and the whole world sees them).
But, they rise from the dead 3 days later, and rise up to Heaven...and a
huge earthquake hits Jerusalem, killing 7000 people instantly.

The Antichrist is assassinated, but rises from the dead in a Satanic
Counterfit of The Resurrection. He goes into the Temple in Jerusalem,
and declares himself to be God. The believing remnant of Jews (1/3) flee
to the Mountains of Israel (Petra), where God supernaturally protects
them. The remaining Jews (2/3) are murdered.

The False Prophet now requires everyone to take "The Mark Of The Beast"
if they want to buy, sell, hold a job, or get benefits. Refusal to do so results in arrest, torture, and beheading.

15) Everyone who takes The Mark Of The Beast, has literally "sold their
soul to Satan"...and is afflicted with painful, grievous, loathsome,
cancerous sores, all over their bodies...top to bottom, front to back...including their genitals and buttocks. Sleep is all but
impossible.

16) All the oceans are turned to blood, all life in the oceans dies, and
all the ships are destroyed.

17) All the water on the Earth is turned to blood, for the murder of
Christ's followers.

18) The sun goes super nova, setting people and everything on fire.
Daytime temperatures approach or exceed the boiling point of water, and
night time temperatures don't fall below 100 degrees.

19) The sun, moon, and stars, PERMANENTLY go dark.

20) The Euphrates River is dried up, allowing armies to cross to head
for the Plains of Megiddo for the Battle Of Armageddon. In reality,
these are assembled by Satan, in anticipation of The Second Coming Of
Christ. Satan is so depraved and deluded in his thinking, that he feels
that he can destroy Almighty God and The Heavenly Host...which include
Jesus Christ, God In The Flesh, and all the Christians who were raptured
7 years earlier.

21) A huge earthquake rocks the entire planet. Mountains disappear back
into the Earth, and hailstones at 100 pounds or greater, smash everyone
and everything in their path. The believing remnant of Jews, seeing the
armies of the Antichrist close in on them, experience "spiritual
regeneration", and recognize Jesus Christ as their Messiah. They call on
Him to save them from destruction, and He does. With just a Word, all of
the armies fall to the ground as one, dead...their bodies devoured by
the birds of the air (hawks, vultures, etc.).

Christ steps on to the Mount Of Olives (from where he ascended back to
Heaven over 2000 years ago), and a huge earthquake splits the mountain, creating "The Valley Of Decision". The surviving members of the last 7
years are gathered before Him. Those who helped and befriended the
Jews, and accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, will be welcomed
into The Millenial Kingdom, a 1000 years of peace, where life on Earth
will be as it was meant to be. Those who persecuted the Jews will be

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sentenced to Eternal Fire, and cast off of the planet into outer
darkness and eternal torment.

your views, those people should burn in hell)

God's Will is that no one should die in their sins, but that all
shoudl come to repentance. But, for those who REFUSE Him (He Made The
Rules), then He has no choice but to cast them into Hell, and eventually
to The Lake Of Fire.

You obviously have been blinded by Satan, the god of this world (which
is the way he wants it), so that trying to witness to you is like
throwing pearls before swine.

I have turned you over to The Lord, to let Him deal with you. I will
NOT respond to any more of your messages, until you are convicted by The
Holy Spirit, as to what I've posted is true. But, I warn you that you
can only say NO to God so many times. After that, since He is the Giver
Of Life, He has the right to take it.

If you choose to remain the way as you are in these posts (thinking
just like the Saducees of ancient Israel, and the athiests, that there
is no life after death, no Heaven, no Hell, and no judgment)...right
before you die, you will experience the sight of horrifying demons
grabbing on to you, and you will feel your body catch on fire. The heat
of Hell will be worse than any you've ever experienced. I can assure you
that there are no athiests or agnostics in Hell. They believe the Gospel
Truth now, but God's Offer of Grace and Forgiveness EXPIRES the moment
you die...and Hell is the one place where prayer has no effect.

It's like the individual who said "I wish God would give me what I
deserve". The preacher said "You better watch it...He just might do it".
If ALL of us really got WHAT WE DESERVE, ALL of us would have been cast
into Eternal Torment in The Lake Of Fire long ago. Romans 5:8 says that
"God commanded His Love toward us, in that while we were sinners, Christ
died for us".

He did NOT have to do what He did...but I'm thankful that He did. When
I heard the hymn "The Old Rugged Cross" 40 years ago, I literally broke
down and cried...realizing that I wasn't saved, and that I was a lost
sinner, on my way to Hell. By accepting God's Free Love Gift, I and all
the others who have done so, of our own free will and choice, have an
eternal home in Heaven.

John 3:18 notes that "He who believes on Him (Jesus Christ) is not condemned...but he who does not beleive on Him is CONDEMNED ALREADY".
In other words, it takes no decision on your part to go to Hell. God
does NOT want anyone to go to Hell, but if they laugh at what He did,
and consider everything I've posted here to be nothing but a joke,
wanting NOTHING of God, Jesus Christ, or Christianity in their
lives...one day, He will give them what they wanted. And, it will give
the term "hot under the collar" a whole new meaning.

thanks for the tips, i just started running synchronet last week and i know M>nothing about it.

You also validate 2 of the Scriptures by your posts.

1) "The Preaching Of The Cross is to them who die in their sins,
foolishness. But, to the saved, it is the Power of God". - 1 Corinthians
1:18

2) "The natural (unsaved) person does not receive the things of the
Spirit Of God, for they are foolishness to him. Neither can he know
them, because they are spiritually discerned".

In other words, there is no further need to discuss these things with
you. Your blood is off my hands...and the same for all those reading
this. You may think that God is FORCING you to choose Him...but He
leaves that choice to you...to ACCEPT Him or REJECT Him. On Judgment
Day, you won't be able to say you weren't warned. As Joshua in the Old Testament said "As for me and my house, we will serve The Lord".

As I said before, if I, and the other believers ON Jesus Christ, and
NOT just IN Him are WRONG...we won't lose much when we die.

Tragically, those who REFUSE to believe ON Him, will lose far
more...cursing God because once in Hell, "all hope is gone".

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And, one day, we will KNOW who is right.

Laugh all you want...but I guarantee you, that 2500 years from now,
you'll remember these messages.

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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Daryl Stout to MRO on Tue Aug 01 2017 09:57:00

he was probably an alien.

Blasphemer!! You will answer to God for that.

No one truly *knows* who or WHAT God is. the Bible does not tell you. Maybe in your heart you feel I will go to hell for wondering the same. But who's to say that God is NOT an alien who seeded humans on this planet, created us in his image. even the bible speaks of chariots of fire flying in the air.

Don't ask me. ask ezekial (sp). Why damn someone to hell for being a bit open minded. Just because he does'nt think the same as you does not mean he's wrong.

and I believe that most "ancient" to modern time monotheistic religions all end up speaking of the SAME God. the word has been changed to reflect cultural differences. because most scripture especially all the ones that have derived from the abrahamic texts are all pretty much the same.

This is the major problem with the world in history on until today. "You don't worship God the way I worship God and you will go to hell, and I will give you the opportunity to get there"

just saying.

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Re: Spiritual Witness 3/4
By: Daryl Stout to MRO on Tue Aug 01 2017 09:57:00

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I'm sorry... please move this endless ranting to the religion echo..

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KK4QBN wrote to Daryl Stout <=-

he was probably an alien.

Blasphemer!! You will answer to God for that.

No one truly *knows* who or WHAT God is. the Bible does not tell you. Maybe in your heart you feel I will go to hell for wondering the same.
But who's to say that God is NOT an alien who seeded humans on this planet, created us in his image. even the bible speaks of chariots of
fire flying in the air.

And this is the problem I have with organised religion. Sure, it may have been founded on purely spiritual principles, but it has been subverted (perverted) by political interests to be used as a means of mass control. Stop the people from thinking independently, and you have them under your control. The Roman Catholic Church is also the last remnant of the Roman Empire, and sprang up after Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity. That speaks volumes about its inner workings.

Does God exist? As someone with a leaning towards the scientific, I don't believe it is possible to know if God truly exists, from our perspective within the Universe. Can the created ever get to know and understand the creator? Guess that question will get some answers if artificial intelligence develops to the point of sentience. So the question of the existence of God then becomes one of purely belief, which to me is a personal thing.

My own view is there is something that connects everything in the Universe. I don't see it as a traditional "God", but it could be interpreted as such by others, given the immensity of the Universe.

Don't ask me. ask ezekial (sp). Why damn someone to hell for being a
bit open minded. Just because he does'nt think the same as you does not mean he's wrong.

and I believe that most "ancient" to modern time monotheistic religions all end up speaking of the SAME God. the word has been changed to
reflect cultural differences. because most scripture especially all the ones that have derived from the abrahamic texts are all pretty much the same.

Except for the mistranslations along the way. No matter how well scholars translated things, the translations would be coloured by personal biases, and on top of that, who's to say there weren't deliberate, but subtle mistranslations for political purposes?


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Except for the mistranslations along the way. No matter how well scholars translated things, the translations would be coloured by personal biases, and on top of that, who's to say there weren't deliberate, but subtle mistranslations for political purposes?

Let us not forget the historical context and cultural references that was well understood at the time the original works were written. Some of it may seem foreign to us when we read it in today's context, but it made a lot of sense back then when it was spoken or written.

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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Daryl Stout to MRO on Tue Aug 01 2017 09:57 am

I don't know what translation you read, but it likely was inspired by Satan. The Devil and his demon hordes are laughing uncontrollably at

wouldn't this be a better topic for the religon section?

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Except for the mistranslations along the way. No matter how well scholars translated things, the translations would be coloured by personal biases,

nd

on top of that, who's to say there weren't deliberate, but subtle mistranslations for political purposes?

Let us not forget the historical context and cultural references that
was well understood at the time the original works were written. Some
of it may seem foreign to us when we read it in today's context, but it made a lot of sense back then when it was spoken or written.

That too, historical context is very important in this.


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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: KK4QBN to Daryl Stout on Tue Aug 01 2017 08:00 pm

Blasphemer!! You will answer to God for that.

No one truly *knows* who or WHAT God is. the Bible does not tell you. Maybe

This is the major problem with the world in history on until today. "You don't worship God the way I worship God and you will go to hell, and I will give you the opportunity to get there"

I'm making a major effort to not be rude about this, but if this is the kind of thing people are into I have some ISIS videos I can show you.

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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 02 2017 11:57 am

creator? Guess that question will get some answers if artificial intelligence develops to the point of sentience. So the question of the existence of God then becomes one of purely belief, which to me is a personal thing.

As it stands, we have a poor understanding of *natural* intelligence.

Would anyone like to take a guess about what a soul is? You know, soul, like "psyche", like the object of the science known as "psychology".

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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: KK4QBN to Daryl Stout on Tue Aug 01 2017 08:00 pm

This is the major problem with the world in history on until today. "You don't worship God the way I worship God and you will go to hell, and I will give you the opportunity to get there"

Yep. And there are many different religions in the world.. Hindu in particular seems fairly different than Christianity. And sometimes it seems like everyone thinks everyone who believes differently than them is going to go to hell.

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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 02 2017 07:37:34

I'm making a major effort to not be rude about this, but if this is the kind of thing people are into I have some ISIS videos I can show you.

Just because someone is'nt beheading another over religion does'nt make the fact that they are attempting to force their beliefs on another any better.. There is more killing and hate "In the name of God" than anything.. with Oil and politics pulling up the rear..

I can love God all the same without being caught up in organized religion. and I know God loves me all the same.

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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Leregard to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 02 2017 07:48:07

Would anyone like to take a guess about what a soul is? You know, soul, like "psyche", like the object of the science known as "psychology".
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Soul = Sentient mass of energy.. Us without the flesh and bone.. After we leave our mortal vessels our energy become one with all other energy, but is still self aware.

I have a feeling my soul will be placed into a piece of limburger cheese when I die.

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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Wed Aug 02 2017 01:08 pm

There is more killing and hate "In the name of God" than anything.. with Oil and politics pulling up the rear..

I can love God all the same without being caught up in organized religion. and I know God loves me all the same.

I think we have a small misunderstanding about what I meant by that. But that's ok.

Any time anyone draws a circle on their cognitive world map and says "EVERYONE INSIDE THIS CIRCLE IS GOOD AND EVERYONE OUTSIDE OF IT IS BAD" is a fool and the end result, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but eventually, is going to be intolerance and violence.

That said, most people don't fully appreciate the fact that "Allah" is just "God" in Arabic. Arabic language Bibles just say "Allah", exactly how Spanish Bibles say "Dios", or German Bibles say "Gott".

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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Wed Aug 02 2017 01:12 pm

Soul = Sentient mass of energy.. Us without the flesh and bone.. After we leave our mortal vessels our energy become one with all other energy, but is still self aware.

That's a pretty good answer, but I'll give you bonus points if you can explain in less than a few paragraphs what the Virgin Mary has to do with it. :)

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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Daryl Stout to MRO on Tue Aug 01 2017 09:57 am

according to the bible hell is colder than heaven.

I don't know what translation you read, but it likely was inspired by Satan. The Devil and his demon hordes are laughing uncontrollably at
you, for the chains you let him put on you.

i'm sure they're just busting a gut laughing at my chains.
it's just something i heard.

do souls even feel heat or cold? why would they? they're not physical bodies. AHAH!

Jesus Christ is the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON that you, and anyone else who has ever lived, will meet. What you do with Him will determine

he was probably an alien.

Blasphemer!! You will answer to God for that.

what do you have against aliens? god created them most likely. how about time traveler?

WRONG!! If only ONE SIN was recorded in your life...ever...in
thought, word, or deed, you can NOT enter Heaven. Romans 3:10 says

that's pretty shitty of him.

you make me not like your god.

the more i hear people say 'i'm going to heaven and you arent' the more i am M>happy to not be included with that group of people.

May God have mercy on your unrepentant soul.

i'd bet my left nut you will go to hell if there is one.

If the individual's name is NOT in The Book Of Life, they won't go to Heaven...no matter how good they think they are.

again, if souls arent physical , why do they need a book? dont you think they'd have instant access to knowledge?

10) One third of the fresh water supply is poisoned, and people die from

the more you talk about religion the less i believe in god. i was a firm believer before, but all this stuff sounds like bullshit.
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Re: Spiritual Witness 2/4
By: Daryl Stout to MRO on Tue Aug 01 2017 09:57 am

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Re: Spiritual Witness 4/4
By: Daryl Stout to MRO on Tue Aug 01 2017 09:57 am

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And, one day, we will KNOW who is right.

Laugh all you want...but I guarantee you, that 2500 years from now,
you'll remember these messages.

jesus christ dude, you typed up several pages and split them.

i'd bet my soul against yours any day, btw.
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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: KK4QBN to Daryl Stout on Tue Aug 01 2017 08:00 pm

This is the major problem with the world in history on until today. "You don't worship God the way I worship God and you will go to hell, and I will give you the opportunity to get there"

i thought god loved us all. now he wants me to burn for all eternity for wondering if jesus was an alien.
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Re: Spiritual Witness 3/4
By: KK4QBN to Daryl Stout on Tue Aug 01 2017 08:01 pm

Re: Spiritual Witness 3/4
By: Daryl Stout to MRO on Tue Aug 01 2017 09:57:00

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I'm sorry... please move this endless ranting to the religion echo..

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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 02 2017 14:22:14

There is more killing and hate "In the name of God" than anything..
with Oil and politics pulling up the rear..

I can love God all the same without being caught up in organized
religion. and I know God loves me all the same.

I think we have a small misunderstanding about what I meant by that. But that's ok.

I guess.. I really did'nt see any misunderstanding here.. it appears we have a lot of the same view on religion and faith.

Any time anyone draws a circle on their cognitive world map and says "EVERYONE INSIDE THIS CIRCLE IS GOOD AND EVERYONE OUTSIDE OF IT IS BAD" is a fool and the end result, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but eventually, is going to be intolerance and violence.

Fully agree. To each their ow with their faith and religion. My main bother is religious extremists. those that smite others that do not think as they do. that's why I denounce many churches, because it is just about all you see anymore is hypocracy.

That said, most people don't fully appreciate the fact that "Allah" is just "God" in Arabic. Arabic language Bibles just say "Allah", exactly how Spanish Bibles say "Dios", or German Bibles say "Gott".

Exactly, as I stated earlier, all the religions that follow the Abrahamic scripture all worship the same God. Only cultural differences set us apart.

and the bible had been translated so many times, who can really say that theirs has the *correct* scripture. there is still much of the scrolls missing. and I believe deliberatly.

The Bible has evolved with cultures, just like humans experience macro (micro) evolution depending on where they live. this is the ONLY thing that sets us apart.

We are all one race, the human race. we have our differences but that was the plan in the beginning.

I believe to an extent that even the ancient worshipers of God(s) still worshipe the same God we do. However I believe these peoples (Ancient Egypt, Mayan, Aztecs, Inca, Hindu, Bhuddist, etc.) knew more of the TRUE word of God than we do today with this patchwork of a book that we call the bible.

The bible today is like requesting an open documents order from the US Government and getting everything back either censored or completely omitted, or changed to fit a certain parties agenda.

When in true form. all these people worshipped the same God. Whether it be mother earth the provider. to the many Gods of the vikings, etc.. All these "tales" taught the populace right from wrong, and showed what one could look forward to on their next plain of existance.

This is why I do NOT discriminate against ANYONE because of their faith. I may put down their religios instuttion. cause trust. the vast majority accross the board these days are brainwashing their flock and making "Heavens warriors" out of them.

I would rather sit in a room with 3 or 4 people and speak the word of God, or even on this message are. This right here is considered Church in Gods eyes. when multiple people congregate in his name.

This is why I don't understand why people cannot get over their petty differnces. I'd say most of this JIHAD, and the like is financed for political gain (and oil of course.)_

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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 02 2017 14:39:50

That's a pretty good answer, but I'll give you bonus points if you can explain in less than a few paragraphs what the Virgin Mary has to do with it. :) [0m

an earthly vessel for God to plant his "Seed" (pure energy, not a traditionial impregnation) So that the Son of God can descend from his plain of existance and be born mortal to be a martyr for mortals sins.

And for the Son of God to be produced by a mortal would be a real testament to the powers of God, thus giving those without faith the faith they really needed.

God is Jesus and Jesus us God, in the energy plain of existance we are all one, but sentiant to ourselves. Jesus not only is the Son of God, but also the Voice of God.

No one can say for sure how we really got here. God could be an alien, or a force of energy which still encompesses the earth today. and we were all seeded here in the Image of God when he created Adam. and then Created Eve from a part of Adam (Cloning). there are many instances of unknown chariots of fire in the bible. and Egypy, Aztec, Mayan glyphs also show spacecaft, and the nasca (s) lines are a whole other thing.

Also.. there are just too many coincidences with alighnments of bldgs, etc for there not to be a celestial intervention.

And also, the Obelisks that have popped up around the world on different continents that had no form of communication with each other. A lot of these obelisks have base minerals that conduct RF from the ground and in theory could create anything from wireless communication to the transmission of power. Just as the tesla wardencliffe tower.

and NO, I am not wearing my tin foil hat, there are too many "Coincidence" to these for them to be unrelated.

I believe so much technological data has been lost to the dark ages and crusades.

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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 02 2017 09:05 am

Yep. And there are many different religions in the world.. Hindu in particular seems fairly different than Christianity. And sometimes it seems like everyone thinks everyone who believes differently than them is going to go to hell.

in my religion you are stuffed into a confining tube and you are forced to listen to hotel california for all of eternity.
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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Mro to Nightfox on Wed Aug 02 2017 06:10 pm

in my religion you are stuffed into a confining tube and you are forced to listen to hotel california for all of eternity.

You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave..

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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Mro to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 02 2017 16:50:55

i thought god loved us all. now he wants me to burn for all eternity for wondering if jesus was an alien.

Exactly, I have pretty much posted the exact message later in the thread.

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in my religion you are stuffed into a confining tube and you are forced
to listen to hotel california for all of eternity.
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Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

As it stands, we have a poor understanding of *natural* intelligence.

I'd agree totally, there's a lot about intelligence and sentience that we simply don't know.

Would anyone like to take a guess about what a soul is? You know,
soul, like "psyche", like the object of the science known as
"psychology".

Again, who knows?


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KK4QBN wrote to Leregard <=-

Just because someone is'nt beheading another over religion does'nt make the fact that they are attempting to force their beliefs on another any better.. There is more killing and hate "In the name of God" than anything.. with Oil and politics pulling up the rear..

A major problem here is religious minorities trying to force their world views on the population and into legislation. And no, it's not the Muslims, it's the fundamental Christans. The US is a major exporter of that sort of crap.

I can love God all the same without being caught up in organized
religion. and I know God loves me all the same.

I think many can. :) I prefer to deal in spirituality than religion, and that is an ongoing journey for me. :)


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KK4QBN wrote to Leregard <=-

Soul = Sentient mass of energy.. Us without the flesh and bone.. After
we leave our mortal vessels our energy become one with all other
energy, but is still self aware.

I like that idea, fits in with my belief in connectedness between all life in the Universe. :)

I have a feeling my soul will be placed into a piece of limburger
cheese when I die.

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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Mickey to Mro on Wed Aug 02 2017 09:03 pm

I am a member of the Holy Sepulcher of the Frisbee, and we believe when you die, your soul goes up on the roof, and you can't get it down.

unless there are high winds.
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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Thu Aug 03 2017 11:19:00

Just because someone is'nt beheading another over religion does'nt
make the fact that they are attempting to force their beliefs on
another any better.. There is more killing and hate "In the name of
God" than anything.. with Oil and politics pulling up the rear..

A major problem here is religious minorities trying to force their world views on the population and into legislation. And no, it's not the Muslims, it's the fundamental Christans. The US is a major exporter of that sort of crap.

This is exactly what I had in mind when posting this. think Westboro Baptist Church. I actually walked into a Church of God one night, stayed about 3 minutes and left. This church felt just like a cult to me.

For me, as per the bibles teachings, Church is a state of Mind.. we are holding Church now.

Skip all the vanity and hypocracy that goes on under a lot of those church buildings.

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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Thu Aug 03 2017 11:21:00

Soul = Sentient mass of energy.. Us without the flesh and bone..
After we leave our mortal vessels our energy become one with all
other energy, but is still self aware.

I like that idea, fits in with my belief in connectedness between all life in the Universe. :)

That's just the way I have always felt about life.. we are all pure energy. most of us have good enerhy, some have bad. bad energy can be bult up through jealosy, and a slew of other things. thats's why its good to walk bare foot on earth. your negative energy is dispelled, reclaimed by mother earth, and replinished with neutral enerjy. it is up to your aura to make it positive.

even in our mortal bodies we can tap into this enerjy of the earth and universe to help with sickness, and in extreme cases exert control over weaker minded individuals.

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KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

A major problem here is religious minorities trying to force their world views on the population and into legislation. And no, it's not the Muslims, it's the fundamental Christans. The US is a major exporter of that sort of crap.

One of the big groups is the Australian Christian Lobby. They claim to represent all Christians, but are really a private entity that represents a narrow minded minority.

This is exactly what I had in mind when posting this. think Westboro Baptist Church. I actually walked into a Church of God one night,
stayed about 3 minutes and left. This church felt just like a cult to
me.

A lot of organised religion feels like a cult to me nowadays.

For me, as per the bibles teachings, Church is a state of Mind.. we are holding Church now.

And that idea makes a lot more sense to me too. While my beliefs are different, this exchange is still positive and could be considered "church" in the truest, spiritual sense.

Skip all the vanity and hypocracy that goes on under a lot of those
church buildings.

No argument from me there! :)


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KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I like that idea, fits in with my belief in connectedness between all life in the Universe. :)

That's just the way I have always felt about life.. we are all pure energy. most of us have good enerhy, some have bad. bad energy can be
bult up through jealosy, and a slew of other things. thats's why its
good to walk bare foot on earth. your negative energy is dispelled, reclaimed by mother earth, and replinished with neutral enerjy. it is
up to your aura to make it positive.

I'm also a believer in Karma - that what we do and what we receive from the Universe are balanced. Karma should teach us what we need to change, though the lesson is not always heeded. Whatever energy we have, it is up to us to cultivate the positive and transform the negative.

even in our mortal bodies we can tap into this enerjy of the earth and universe to help with sickness, and in extreme cases exert control over weaker minded individuals.

I agree. I am aware of some of those powers, and with great power comes great responsibility.


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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Mro to Nightfox on Wed Aug 02 2017 06:10 pm

Yep. And there are many different religions in the world.. Hindu in
particular seems fairly different than Christianity. And sometimes it
seems like everyone thinks everyone who believes differently than them
is going to go to hell.

in my religion you are stuffed into a confining tube and you are forced to listen to hotel california for all of eternity.

Throw in stairway to heaven and I'm in.

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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Mro to Daryl Stout on Wed Aug 02 2017 04:44 pm

do souls even feel heat or cold? why would they? they're not physical bodies. AHAH!

They have violent out-of-body hallucinations. Like nightmares. Haven't you ever had a bad trip? Like that.

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Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Wed Aug 02 2017 06:03 pm

is religious extremists. those that smite others that do not think as they do. that's why I denounce many churches, because it is just about all you see anymore is hypocracy.

I can handle "extremes" as long as they're extremely awesome. Most extremists are just extremely boring. Terrorism at least makes exciting TV, but most "fundamentalists" are just boring and uninspired and say the same dozen or so things over and over again and spend all their time listening to music and reading books and websites that are supposed to be "inspirational" but are really just saying the same damned things over and over again too. God forbid you say anything else, it might be CHAOS.

Exactly, as I stated earlier, all the religions that follow the Abrahamic scripture all worship the same God. Only cultural differences set us apart.

I'm not dismissing the "Abrahamic scriptures", but I don't care much what they say about that. There's either a God or there isn't and someone writing it down 3000 years ago doesn't make it true or false.

Back in the day our smartest people used to say "God made the world" and then did science on the world to see what God was thinking when He made it. It was important. Isaac Newton had some interesting thoughts about the Bible, for example. He had a lot to say about a Creator that would put the planets into perfect, mathematically predictable orbits around the Sun exactly the way He did. He proved the Creator COULD have put them into orbit some other way and "for some reason" didn't. Other orbits are mathematically possible.

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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Thu Aug 03 2017 09:51 pm

A major problem here is religious minorities trying to force their

Should'nt religious post's be posted in the religion board instead of here? Religion has it's own forum on Dove-Net.

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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 03 2017 03:03:11

This is exactly what I had in mind when posting this. think Westboro Baptist Church. I actually walked into a Church of God one night, stayed about 3 minutes and left. This church felt just like a cult to me.

I couldn't stand the Westboro Baptist and their nonsense and disrespectful protests.

Now, which Church of God? There are two fundimentally kinds: those who attend on Saturdays and those who attend on Sundays.

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Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

A major problem here is religious minorities trying to force their

Should'nt religious post's be posted in the religion board instead of here? Religion has it's own forum on Dove-Net.

Now, there you ask a good question. While I am interested in discussing certain aspects of religion, like history, social issues, comparitive religion, alternate world views, I'm not interested in being preached to, "saved", converted, etco it depends on what the focus of the RELIGION conference is. I don't currently read it (though that's a simple matter of adding it to a QWK packet). :)


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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 03 2017 03:09 am

That's just the way I have always felt about life.. we are all pure energy.

i feel the same way but i feel like i am pure bacon
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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: jagossel to KK4QBN on Thu Aug 03 2017 01:13 pm

I couldn't stand the Westboro Baptist and their nonsense and disrespectful protests.

i've seen those guys. they are some type of fake traveling show.
they were protesting down the street from me. we let them do their bullshit and they left.
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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Mro to KK4QBN on Thu Aug 03 2017 22:13:15

That's just the way I have always felt about life.. we are all pure
energy.

i feel the same way but i feel like i am pure bacon

I always felt I was dealing with the likes of a pig...



say that you're bacon around a bunch of ham radio operators, and they might not be much of you left.. (not that we are cannibals) but you said you were bacon... and hams most of the time only talk about food "especially around here" and especially bacon..

are you sure you're not one of those elusive bridge trolls?

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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Mro to jagossel on Thu Aug 03 2017 22:35:03

I couldn't stand the Westboro Baptist and their nonsense and
disrespectful protests.

i've seen those guys. they are some type of fake traveling show.
they were protesting down the street from me. we let them do their bullshit and they left.

Nothin fake about them, they are just as, or more dangerous than any ISIS militant that would be let into this country.

Bunch of hickish freaks.

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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: KK4QBN to Mro on Fri Aug 04 2017 05:35 am

Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4

Shouldn't these religous posts be posted to the religion board instead of here? most people don't want to come to a regular message base and read religious rants when there is a message base that is specific to this subject already.

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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: KK4QBN to Mro on Fri Aug 04 2017 05:35:43

I couldn't stand the Westboro Baptist and their nonsense and
disrespectful protests.

i've seen those guys. they are some type of fake traveling show.
they were protesting down the street from me. we let them do their bullshit and they left.

Nothin fake about them, they are just as, or more dangerous than any ISIS militant that would be let into this country.

Bunch of hickish freaks.

Based off of their protests, all they preach is hatred. I find it very disrespectful when they say that G-d hates vets. They don't care that vet spent early adulthood (and possibly up to their adult lives) protecting this country and their (vets and protesters) freedom of speach.

The whole notion of G-d hates fags, jews, vets, etc. is completely contrary to what we were taught about G-d and the Messiah.

I remember, when I was living in Missouri, that a major tornado tore up Joplin and killed many people. The Westboro Baptist decided to post out flyers stating that Joplin "deserved" it because Westboro claims that Joplin citizens actively participate in beastiality.

I suspect the so-called leaders and members have to be mentally ill to condemn people after a tradgey. People need love and support after going a tramatic experience, and publically humilating them and falsely saying they "deserve" it is not the answer. If anyone say it's "tough love", well, it's not; it's hate pure and simple.

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Re: Westboro Baptist
By: jagossel to KK4QBN on Fri Aug 04 2017 12:19:48

I suspect the so-called leaders and members have to be mentally ill to condemn people after a tradgey. People need love and support after going a tramatic experience, and publically humilating them and falsely saying they "deserve" it is not the answer. If anyone say it's "tough love", well, it's not; it's hate pure and simple.

Most Mentally Ill people have remorse.. these people are Psychopaths.

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Re: Westboro Baptist
By: KK4QBN to jagossel on Fri Aug 04 2017 12:35:20

I suspect the so-called leaders and members have to be mentally ill to condemn people after a tradgey. People need love and support after goin

g a

tramatic experience, and publically humilating them and falsely saying they "deserve" it is not the answer. If anyone say it's "tough love", well, it's not; it's hate pure and simple.

Most Mentally Ill people have remorse.. these people are Psychopaths.

Psychopaths with power, very dangerous indeed.

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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: Roadhog to KK4QBN on Fri Aug 04 2017 09:07:35

Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4

Shouldn't these religous posts be posted to the religion board instead of here? most people don't want to come to a regular message base and read religious rants when there is a message base that is specific to this subject already.

I stated the same about RELIGIOUS posts.. my posts were not of a RELIGIOUS nature, they were of a SPIRITUAL NATUREso actually they fit the topic of this area just fine.. BTW, you quoted something I did'nt even write.

maybe post to the correct person next time?

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Re: Re: Spiritual Witness 1/4
By: KK4QBN to Mro on Fri Aug 04 2017 05:35 am

Nothin fake about them, they are just as, or more dangerous than any ISIS militant that would be let into this country.

Bunch of hickish freaks.

well the ones that i saw didnt look so scarey. we ignored them and they moved on. i think it's some type of side show for donation money
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Re: Westboro Baptist
By: jagossel to KK4QBN on Fri Aug 04 2017 03:20 pm

Psychopaths with power, very dangerous indeed.

They're high-functioning sociopaths.

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Re: Westboro Baptist
By: poindexter FORTRAN to jagossel on Fri Aug 04 2017 06:14 pm

Re: Westboro Baptist
By: jagossel to KK4QBN on Fri Aug 04 2017 03:20 pm

Psychopaths with power, very dangerous indeed.

They're high-functioning sociopaths.

psychopaths and sociopaths are just old incorrect labels for conditions that do not exist.
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Re: Westboro Baptist
By: Mro to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 04 2017 23:29:28

psychopaths and sociopaths are just old incorrect labels for conditions that do not exist.

What would you call it then? An overactive Adrenal Gland with a slight case of retardation?

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Re: Westboro Baptist
By: KK4QBN to Mro on Sat Aug 05 2017 07:11 am

Re: Westboro Baptist
By: Mro to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 04 2017 23:29:28

psychopaths and sociopaths are just old incorrect labels for conditions that do not exist.

What would you call it then? An overactive Adrenal Gland with a slight case of retardation?

regarding the word psychopath and sociopath are labels that are overused and not understood.

what people sometimes mean when using these words are a few types of personality disorders.

regarding those westboro guys, i dont know what their deal is. it's a very strange situation and i dont believe they are entirely genuine.
when they protested in my city everything about it was weird.

maybe the guy at the top of it is just doing it to get donations?
lots of crazies and racists throw money at them i'm sure.
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Re: Smoking
By: Daryl Stout to NIGHTFOX on Sun Jul 30 2017 09:42 am

You are correct on that. And, if ones sense of smell is seemingly
acute as a dog's (they can smell one part of urine in 60 million parts
of water), it's even more pronounced.

... and yet they drink from the commode anyway. :-/

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Re: Smoking
By: Digital Man to Daryl Stout on Mon Aug 07 2017 21:23:28

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You are correct on that. And, if ones sense of smell is seemingly
acute as a dog's (they can smell one part of urine in 60 million parts
of water), it's even more pronounced.

... and yet they drink from the commode anyway. :-/

Exactly... And sniff butts and other "Parts" they also roll in roadkill.. is this some sort of cologne to them? Male dog rolls in roadkill and comes up to a pack of bitches.. "Hey Baby, don't I smell sexy!".

I find it funny when I walk my male beagle, we usally walk about 4 blocks and by the time we get back around he has 3 female dogs on each side of him.. He looked up at me one day and said.. Hey check out my Bitches.. :-)

Corny but true..

He's a rescue dog, the guy I got him from, "Sheriff of a neighboring county" said he has'nt been fixed.. but he won't have anything to do with any of these dogs.. buth there is a female beagle in a fence that he completely goes crazy over... I have to try to avoid that area when walking him.

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summer. smoked marlboro reds every day.

That will unfortunately do it.

When I was in 5th grade, I remember the class having an assignment to make som
mock advertisements to promote health and not doing unhealthy things. I remember one of the students drew a graveyard with "Marlboro country" written below it.

Back in the day, before my time (I am over 50), they promoted cigarettes differently. In some cases, I believe that consumers were even lead to
believe they might be healthy.

By the time I came along, there was already some PSA advertising,
especially from the American Cancer Society, about how smoking could kill
you. They had not yet got to promoting the dangers of second-hand smoke,
or smoking while pregnant, but they'd at least got as far as it could kill
you.

I had a lot of relatives, but none I lived with, that were life-long
smokers at the time. It was really difficult for them to even consider stopping. What surprised me was how many people my age, and slightly
younger, who picked up the habit despite the dire warnings.

It surprises me even more now that cigarette smoking seems to be making a comeback.


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Quoting Dumas Walker to Nightfox <=-

It surprises me even more now that cigarette smoking seems to be
making a comeback.

We can get rid of more stupid people. I say advertise it, promote it
let them all smoke everywhere again. Who cares!?!? Where did I put my
HEALTHY low tar darts?

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Re: Smoking
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sat Jun 08 2024 10:34 am

Back in the day, before my time (I am over 50), they promoted cigarettes differently. In some cases, I believe that consumers were even lead to believe they might be healthy.

Absolutely true. I remember those commercials in the 60's. Every now and then, my wife will point one of the printed ads that gets posted on facebook from time to time.

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Re: Smoking
By: Tiny to DUMAS WALKER on Sun Jun 09 2024 06:41 am

Quoting Dumas Walker to Nightfox <=-

It surprises me even more now that cigarette smoking seems to be
making a comeback.

We can get rid of more stupid people. I say advertise it, promote it
let them all smoke everywhere again. Who cares!?!? Where did I put my HEALTHY low tar darts?

Shawn

I have noticed that there's a lot of smokers, and they continue on. It's extremely addicting. I started smoking around 10 and I stopped when i was 28 and I still want a cig when I smell someone smoking one. If you have friends who smoke you pretty much have no chance of quitting.
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Re: Smoking
By: Bf2k+ to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 09 2024 07:36 am

Re: Smoking
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sat Jun 08 2024 10:34 am

Back in the day, before my time (I am over 50), they promoted cigarettes differently. In some cases, I believe that consumers were even lead to believe they might be healthy.

Absolutely true. I remember those commercials in the 60's. Every now and then, my wife will point one of the printed ads that gets posted on facebook from time to time.

I'm surprised they didn't show ads with cartoon babies smoking. They probably tried to, but it was shot down.

They had doctors in ads, lucille ball and her husband. They said it relieved fatigue in sports. All kinds of dumb shit.

I don't think ads helped the sales. It's a drug and drugs sell themselves.
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Re: Smoking
By: Tiny to DUMAS WALKER on Sun Jun 09 2024 06:41:00

Quoting Dumas Walker to Nightfox <=-

It surprises me even more now that cigarette smoking seems to be making a
comeback.

We can get rid of more stupid people. I say advertise it, promote it let them all smoke everywhere again. Who cares!?!? Where did I put my HEALTHY low tar darts?

Suprising enough, My health problems did'nt start until I stopped smoking, and other lifestyle changes to try to benefit my health. It was a real shock to my body I guess.. took about 3-4 years to get my blood pressure and heart-rate stable.
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On 09 Jun 2024, MRO said the following...

It surprises me even more now that cigarette smoking seems to be making a comeback.

We can get rid of more stupid people. I say advertise it, promote it let them all smoke everywhere again. Who cares!?!? Where did I put my

I have noticed that there's a lot of smokers, and they continue on. It's extremely addicting. I started smoking around 10 and I stopped when i
was 28 and I still want a cig when I smell someone smoking one. If you have friends who smoke you pretty much have no chance of quitting.

i have a friend who quit the cigarette part as a side effect of going on
an anti-depressant, but pretty much immediately went to vaping instead.. he still goes outside and does the whole ceremony.

i actually somewhat miss it when people could smoke indoors. i remember one weekend everyone hanging out in the bar having a blast and the next weekend
the law changed and it became this routine of people heading back and forth
to smoke while i sat inside waiting. i don't miss hanging my jacket up on the deck to air it out though..

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Re: Re: Smoking
By: fusion to MRO on Sun Jun 09 2024 02:01 pm

i actually somewhat miss it when people could smoke indoors. i remember one weekend everyone hanging out in the bar having a blast and the next weekend the law changed and it became this routine of people heading back and forth to smoke while i sat inside waiting. i don't miss hanging my jacket up on the deck to air it out though..

in my area they just kept the ashtrays out and paid the little fine.
eventually owners changed and they took that away.

i have mixed feelings. I don't like stinking like cigs.
they should just have bars with smoking and bars with non smoking.

furthermore, part of my reason for quitting is people were always hitting me up for cigs. either random losers on the street or people who quit buying cigs and just borrow from people. totally annoying.

my casino went to non smoking and i wonder how that hurt them. nobody there is going to go into a smoking area. they want to smoke at the machines.
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Re: Smoking
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sat Jun 08 2024 10:34 am

I had a lot of relatives, but none I lived with, that were life-long smokers at the time. It was really difficult for them to even consider stopping. What surprised me was how many people my age, and slightly younger, who picked up the habit despite the dire warnings.

It surprises me even more now that cigarette smoking seems to be making a comeback.

That surprises me too. :(

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Re: Smoking
By: kk4qbn to Tiny on Sun Jun 09 2024 11:18 am

Suprising enough, My health problems did'nt start until I stopped smoking, and other lifestyle changes to try to benefit my health. It was a real shock to my body I guess.. took about 3-4 years to get my blood pressure and heart-rate stable.

I quit in 2008 and other than the normal bs that goes with being a diabetic, I didn't really have any other issues.

My wife finally quit a little over a year ago. It was killing her. Less that three weeks after quitting, her face had completely changed and she looked much more lively and younger. She can't breathe anymore and she has gained about 20 lbs but I am just so glad she finally quit...

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I have noticed that there's a lot of smokers, and they continue on.
It's extremely addicting. I started smoking around 10 and I stopped
when i was 28 and I still want a cig when I smell someone smoking one.

I don't miss it at all anymore. The smell is pretty disgusting to me now.

If you have friends who smoke you pretty much have no chance of
quitting.

I was still able to quit. It wasn't easy, but it wasn't like I was
climbing the walls either. Smoked for over 1/2 my life at the time I
quit.

Shawn

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Re: Smoking
By: Bf2k+ to kk4qbn on Sun Jun 09 2024 19:48:15

Suprising enough, My health problems did'nt start until I stopped smoking,
and other lifestyle changes to try to benefit my health. It was a real
shock to my body I guess.. took about 3-4 years to get my blood pressure
and heart-rate stable.

I quit in 2008 and other than the normal bs that goes with being a diabetic, I didn't really have any other issues.

I never had I blood-sugar until after I quit smoking and drinking sodas, etc.. I'ts crazy.. All of it started less than a month after I stopped, But I had also stopped a long bout of an opoid addiction so I'm sure that may have had more to do with a lot of the health issues.

My wife finally quit a little over a year ago. It was killing her. Less that three weeks after quitting, her face had completely changed and she looked much more lively and younger. She can't breathe anymore and she has gained about 20 lbs but I am just so glad she finally quit...

I'm happy I stopped too.. It's crazy I tried and tried to stop smoking numerous times and never could, then one day I just had an epiphany that I was not going to die young and leave a good looking corps like I thought I was going to. That I was actually probably going to live a lot longer than I thought and I wanted my body to be able to keep up with my mind. After that I just could'nt smoke anymore. cigarettes tasted like crap.. I kept a pack in my pocket for a whole week just in case, but I just could'nt light another up.

The opiotes were a little harder to come off of after so many years of use and abuse, it wasnt like I was getting high off them anymore, I was just maintaining. But I'm so happy to be off all that.. And sugary drinks too.. I stopped it all, all around the same time 4 years ago.

To this day I still cannot stand to smell cigarettes and cant stand the taste or the consistancy of a soda, cannot believe I used to consume so much of that crap.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: fusion to MRO on Sun Jun 09 2024 02:01 pm

i actually somewhat miss it when people could smoke indoors. i remember one weekend everyone hanging out in the bar having a blast and the next weekend the law changed and it became this routine of people heading back and forth to smoke while i sat inside waiting.

Some of my family smokes, and even at home, they like to smoke outside so that they don't smoke up the inside of their house. So when I'm at their house, I either sit inside while they go outside to smoke, or I go out with them.

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Re: Smoking
By: Tiny to MRO on Mon Jun 10 2024 06:32 am

Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-

I have noticed that there's a lot of smokers, and they continue on. It's extremely addicting. I started smoking around 10 and I stopped when i was 28 and I still want a cig when I smell someone smoking one.

I don't miss it at all anymore. The smell is pretty disgusting to me now.

whats disgusting is when people hit it hard and it's in their clothes and their whole body. that smells horrible.

just the regular smoke is ok for me sometimes.

I was still able to quit. It wasn't easy, but it wasn't like I was
climbing the walls either. Smoked for over 1/2 my life at the time I
quit.

i guess you didnt have the junkie effect.
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Re: Smoking
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 09 2024 06:32 pm

cigarette smoking seems to be
making a comeback.

That surprises me too. :(

I heard that in some European
countries, doctors say that up to 5
cigarettes a day is totally fine.

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Re: Smoking
By: kk4qbn to Bf2k+ on Mon Jun 10 2024 08:20 am

also stopped a long bout of an opoid
addiction so I'm sure that may have

Awesome that you kicked that. But, if
you ever (EVER) decide to try again,
PLEASE remember that you don't need to
take as much as you did when you
regularly did them, and only take a
tiny fraction of what you did before.

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Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-

whats disgusting is when people hit it hard and it's in their clothes
and their whole body. that smells horrible.

Yes it does. Even when they come in from outside after smoking the cheap native "bag o' smokes".

i guess you didnt have the junkie effect.

I was pretty lucky I guess. Every vice I've quit there have been no
real effects.

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Re: Smoking
By: Tiny to MRO on Tue Jun 11 2024 06:25 am

Yes it does. Even when they come in from outside after smoking the cheap native "bag o' smokes".

Ugh, I had a buddy that smoked cloves all the time. I actually had to air out my clothes even when I'd ONLY been in the same room with him, not even around when smoking or anything.

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Re: Smoking
By: phigan to kk4qbn on Mon Jun 10 2024 18:24:47

Re: Smoking
By: kk4qbn to Bf2k+ on Mon Jun 10 2024 08:20 am

also stopped a long bout of an opoid addiction so I'm sure that may have

Awesome that you kicked that. But, if you ever (EVER) decide to try again, PLEASE remember that you don't need to take as much as you did when you regularly did them, and only take a tiny fraction of what you did before.

Yep, I've known of a couple people that have died that way. Addiction is bad and one cannot let themselves think that they are above it, or over it.. theres always that one event, sound, smell, or anything that could trigger a relapse. So definaly I stay very aware of that and use time to stop and think. It's definatly not worth it, I have distanced myself from ANYONE I used to hang with. It's far too dangerous anymore to fool with anything, they are putting carfentanil in EVERYTHING, spiking pain pills, xanax. vapes. marijuana, I mean everything. and it's crazy.. there is definatly no room for complacency.
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Re: Smoking
By: kk4qbn to Bf2k+ on Mon Jun 10 2024 08:20 am

To this day I still cannot stand to smell cigarettes and cant stand the taste or the consistancy of a soda, cannot believe I used to consume so much of that crap.

Pepsi is the last of my 'vices' and one I need to stop and soon...

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Re: Smoking
By: Bf2k+ to kk4qbn on Tue Jun 11 2024 10:44 am

Pepsi is the last of my 'vices' and one I need to stop and soon...

It seems to me things like that in moderation are okay. Pepsi is one of my favorite sodas (I like it better than Coke).

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Re: Smoking
By: Tiny to MRO on Mon Jun 10 2024 06:32:00

Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-

I was still able to quit. It wasn't easy, but it wasn't like I was
climbing the walls either. Smoked for over 1/2 my life at the time I
quit.

I don't want to belabor this but, I started smoking at 12 yo, and gave it by best until I had the (almost) BIG one at 60 yo and got me a membership in the chest scar club. Soon as I felt better, I lit up. 4 years after that i found out I had throat cancer and spent 4 months at Princess Margaret getting 'the works' during Covid. I STILL stared at butt's on the ground. Finally quit!

It's tough man. Sing like a baratone now. :-)


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Quoting Mickey to Tiny <=-

years after that i found out I had throat cancer and spent 4 months at Princess Margaret getting 'the works' during Covid. I STILL stared at butt's on the ground. Finally quit!

At least you quit eventually! ;) I had oral cancer in 2007 and that was
it for me, Doc said it had a much better chance of not coming back if I
didn't smoke again, so I didn't.

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Re: Smoking
By: Nightfox to Bf2k+ on Tue Jun 11 2024 11:19 am

Pepsi is one of my favorite sodas (I like it better than Coke).

Me too... :)

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phigan wrote to Tiny <=-

Ugh, I had a buddy that smoked cloves all the time. I actually had to
air out my clothes even when I'd ONLY been in the same room with him,
not even around when smoking or anything.

Clove cigarettes remind me of hacky sack, college quads, diner coffee, half-read philosophy paperbacks, cheap gas, road trips, and being in my
20s.



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whats disgusting is when people hit it hard and it's in their clothes and their whole body. that smells horrible.

Yes it does. Even when they come in from outside after smoking the cheap native "bag o' smokes".

When I was ~25, I went out for a while with a lady who smoked. I never
could figure out how she did it but she never smelled like she smoked. I
know she smoked outside often, but I also know she smoked in her car and in other indoor places (you could smoke in restaurants back then, for example).

OTOH, about 10 years ago I went out for a few times with another gal who smoked. She was also, IMHO, an alcoholic. She often smelled like an
ashtray that someone had spilled stale beer in. I am glad I didn't date
her when I was younger! :o


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It seems to me things like that in moderation are okay. Pepsi is one of my favorite sodas (I like it better than Coke).

I prefer Double Cola, Red Rock, or RC, but they can be more difficult to
find (especially the first two).

My real soda "vices" are Ski and Ale-8-One. ;)


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Re: Smoking
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Wed Jun 12 2024 08:29 am

It seems to me things like that in moderation are okay. Pepsi is one of my
favorite sodas (I like it better than Coke).

I prefer Double Cola, Red Rock, or RC, but they can be more difficult to find (especially the first two).

I haven't heard of the first 2. I like RC though.

My real soda "vices" are Ski and Ale-8-One. ;)

I haven't heard of those either. :)

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Re: Smoking
By: Bf2k+ to kk4qbn on Tue Jun 11 2024 10:44 am

To this day I still cannot stand to smell cigarettes and cant stand the taste or the consistancy of a soda, cannot believe I used to consume so much of that crap.

Pepsi is the last of my 'vices' and one I need to stop and soon...

I quit soda years ago and I was a habitual drinker. I just quit cold turkey and don't have any suggestions other than when I feel a hankering I actually have carbonated water. It kind of fakes me out a little that I'm having a soda. I realize it's not the same thing and might even be not attactive, I certainly didn't like them. But I do now and it fills the need when I need it.

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Re: Re: Smoking
By: poindexter FORTRAN to phigan on Wed Jun 12 2024 05:53 am

Clove cigarettes remind me of hacky sack, college quads, diner coffee, half-read philosophy paperbacks, cheap gas, road trips, and being in my
20s.

And not of goths? :)

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Re: Smoking
By: The Lizard Master to Bf2k+ on Wed Jun 12 2024 03:58 am

carbonated water. It kind of fakes me out a little that I'm having a soda. I

Funny you mention the faking out thing. Sometimes I'll have a carbonated water and it tricks my brain into thinking I'm having an alcoholic drink, and then it makes me want a cigarette.

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Re: Smoking
By: Dumas Walker to TINY on Wed Jun 12 2024 08:26 am

whats disgusting is when people hit it hard and it's in their clothes and their whole body. that smells horrible.

Yes it does. Even when they come in from outside after smoking the cheap native "bag o' smokes".

When I was ~25, I went out for a while with a lady who smoked. I never could figure out how she did it but she never smelled like she smoked. I know she smoked outside often, but I also know she smoked in her car and in other indoor places (you could smoke in restaurants back then, for example).

yeah, i had a coworker who smoked a lot and didn't smell. she would just smoke outside.
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On Wed Jun 12 03:58:00 2024, The Lizard Master wrote to Bf2k+ <=-

suggestions other than when I feel a hankering I actually have carbonated water. It kind of

I've been doing this for years as well. In fact having a club soda now. It does fool me into
thinking I'm not missing out.

I do the same thing with the fake beer and fake booze. I don't feel I'm missing anything except the stuff that's bad for me. :)

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On Wed Jun 12 08:26:00 2024, Dumas Walker wrote to TINY <=-

When I was ~25, I went out for a while with a lady who smoked. I never could figure out how she did it but she never smelled like she smoked. I know she smoked outside often, but I also know she smoked in her car and in other indoor places (you could smoke in restaurants back then, for example).

I knew a women like that, she told me the trick is to hand sanatize before she came
inside, as well as other washing tricks.

OTOH, about 10 years ago I went out for a few times with another gal who smoked. She was also, IMHO, an alcoholic. She often smelled like an ashtray that someone had spilled stale beer in. I am glad I didn't date
her when I was younger! :o

This is what my supervisor is like, he's a walking ashtray. LOL

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Clove cigarettes remind me of hacky sack, college quads, diner coffee, half-read philosophy paperbacks, cheap gas, road trips, and being in my 20s.

And not of goths? :)

When I was younger (late '80s/early '90s), the folks who smoked clove cigarettes were not goths. Most of the goths that smoked in college smoked
the real ones (and drank like fish).


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When I was ~25, I went out for a while with a lady who smoked. I never could figure out how she did it but she never smelled like she smoked. I know she smoked outside often, but I also know she smoked in her car and in other indoor places (you could smoke in restaurants back then, for example).

I knew a women like that, she told me the trick is to hand sanatize before she >came
inside, as well as other washing tricks.

Hand sanitizing wasn't a big thing back then. Washing was though. ;) I
think she used a perfume or lotion that must have either got rid of it or covered it up real good.


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Two hookers were talking on a street corner.

One of them asked "Do you smoke when you finish?"

The other one said "I don't know, I never looked."




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Tiny wrote to The Lizard Master <=-

I've been doing this for years as well. In fact having a club soda
now. It does fool me into thinking I'm not missing out.

I drank tonic waters in clubs with lime and didn't miss the gin - it's
still a favorite drink of mine.



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Re: Re: Smoking
By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Thu Jun 13 2024 07:09 am

Two hookers were talking on a street corner.

One of them asked "Do you smoke when you finish?"

The other one said "I don't know, I never looked."

reminds me of one of my favorite taglines:


... If you smoke after sex you're doing it too fast.

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Re: Smoking
By: phigan to Tiny on Tue Jun 11 2024 05:53 am

Re: Smoking
By: Tiny to MRO on Tue Jun 11 2024 06:25 am

Yes it does. Even when they come in from outside after smoking the cheap native "bag o' smokes".

Ugh, I had a buddy that smoked cloves all the time. I actually had to air ou my clothes even when I'd ONLY been in the same room with him, not even aroun when smoking or anything.

clove cigarettes taste nice but i never thought of how it made those around me smell. now i will rethink that.

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Re: Smoking
By: Wes Thomas to phigan on Sun Jun 16 2024 06:39 am

Re: Smoking
By: phigan to Tiny on Tue Jun 11 2024 05:53 am

Re: Smoking
By: Tiny to MRO on Tue Jun 11 2024 06:25 am

Yes it does. Even when they come in from outside after smoking the cheap native "bag o' smokes".

Ugh, I had a buddy that smoked cloves all the time. I actually had to air ou my clothes even when I'd ONLY been in the same room with him, not even aroun when smoking or anything.

clove cigarettes taste nice but i never thought of how it made those around me smell. now i will rethink that.

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The other one said "I don't know, I never looked."

reminds me of one of my favorite taglines:

... If you smoke after sex you're doing it too fast.

If you smoke after sex, use more lube.


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Re: Smoking
By: kk4qbn to Tiny on Sun Jun 09 2024 11:18 am

Re: Smoking
By: Tiny to DUMAS WALKER on Sun Jun 09 2024 06:41:00

Quoting Dumas Walker to Nightfox <=-

It surprises me even more now that cigarette smoking seems to be makin
comeback.

We can get rid of more stupid people. I say advertise it, promote it l them all smoke everywhere again. Who cares!?!? Where did I put my HEALTHY low tar darts?

Suprising enough, My health problems did'nt start until I stopped smoking, a other lifestyle changes to try to benefit my health. It was a real shock to body I guess.. took about 3-4 years to get my blood pressure and heart-rate stable.

I never tried smoking. I watched peers in my younger days smoking and thought they looked cool but I just never tried it. When you quit smoking your body revolted is that what you are saying. Did you ever relapse and go back to smoking? Or did you never look back? How are you doing today?

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Re: Smoking
By: Gary Gordon to kk4qbn on Sat Jul 26 2025 07:06 pm

I never tried smoking. I watched peers in my younger days smoking and thought they looked cool but I just never tried it.

I never thought it looked really cool. Just a little silly with something hanging out of someone's mouth with ashes falling off it..

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Re: Smoking
By: Gary Gordon to kk4qbn on Sat Jul 26 2025 07:06 pm

Quoting Dumas Walker to Nightfox <=-

It surprises me even more now that cigarette smoking seems to be
makin comeback.

We can get rid of more stupid people. I say advertise it, promote it
l them all smoke everywhere again. Who cares!?!? Where did I put my
HEALTHY low tar darts?

Suprising enough, My health problems did'nt start until I stopped smoking,
a other lifestyle changes to try to benefit my health. It was a real shock
to body I guess.. took about 3-4 years to get my blood pressure and
heart-rate stable.

I was going to reply to this message that you were quoting, but oddly, I don't have this thread at all in my Dove-Net General messagebase (despite the previous quote from Dumas Walker to me about smoking making a comeback).. Is this an old thread, perhaps?

Nightfox

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Gary Gordon wrote to kk4qbn <=-

I never tried smoking. I watched peers in my younger days smoking and thought they looked cool but I just never tried it.

Road trips in the '70s with two parents who smoked turned me off. They
claimed they'd open the window a crack and all of the smoke would be
sucked out. Didn't work as planned.

Later on, my father contracted emphysema, and that helped turn my kids
off of smoking.

They see smoking as harmful, but apparently vaping is just stupid.




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I was going to reply to this message that you were quoting, but oddly, I don't
have this thread at all in my Dove-Net General messagebase (despite the previous quote from Dumas Walker to me about smoking making a comeback).. Is this an old thread, perhaps?

June, 2024, per his original post.


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Re: Smoking
By: Nightfox to Gary Gordon on Sat Jul 26 2025 05:35 pm

I never thought it looked really cool. Just a little silly with something hanging out of someone's mouth with ashes falling off it..

Nightfox

Myself, I found it very obvious it was kids trying too hard to pose as cool people. Back in the day nearly every kid smoked at high-school. And they also got blind drunk.

Pathetic.


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Re: Smoking
By: Nightfox to Gary Gordon on Sat Jul 26 2025 05:38 pm

Re: Smoking
By: Gary Gordon to kk4qbn on Sat Jul 26 2025 07:06 pm

Quoting Dumas Walker to Nightfox <=-

It surprises me even more now that cigarette smoking seems to be
makin comeback.

We can get rid of more stupid people. I say advertise it, promote
l them all smoke everywhere again. Who cares!?!? Where did I put
HEALTHY low tar darts?

Suprising enough, My health problems did'nt start until I stopped smokin
a other lifestyle changes to try to benefit my health. It was a real sho
to body I guess.. took about 3-4 years to get my blood pressure and
heart-rate stable.

I was going to reply to this message that you were quoting, but oddly, I don have this thread at all in my Dove-Net General messagebase (despite the previous quote from Dumas Walker to me about smoking making a comeback).. I this an old thread, perhaps?

Nightfox

I guess? It was on Dove-net.

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Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Gary Gordon <=-

I never tried smoking. I watched peers in my younger days smoking and thought they looked cool but I just never tried it.

Road trips in the '70s with two parents who smoked turned me off.
They claimed they'd open the window a crack and all of the smoke would
be sucked out. Didn't work as planned.

Later on, my father contracted emphysema, and that helped turn my
kids off of smoking.

They see smoking as harmful, but apparently vaping is just stupid.

People tend to think of 'vaping' as safe, but it's not safe.
'E-liquid' or 'e-juice' or 'vape juice' is what the devices use to
vaporize for you to breathe in. E-liquids are not just water, they
contain some nasty chemicals.

They contain flavoring, nicotine, propylene glycol and glycerin.
Some also include chemicals that cause cancer such as acrolein,
diactyl and ethylene glycol. Some have THC derivatives, vitamin E
acetate, heavy metals (tin, lead, nickel and cadmium).

These are all tiny particles that can get deep into your lungs.

I'm no one to talk, as I smoked cigarettes until I was 27 years
old, but the stuff in these vaping devices sounds pretty nasty to
me. (I'm not a chemistry expert)

Makes me wonder how it will affect the younger peoples health in
the future. But c'est la vie. People will do what they will do.

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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed Jul 30 2025 03:57 pm

People tend to think of 'vaping' as safe, but it's not safe.
'E-liquid' or 'e-juice' or 'vape juice' is what the devices use to
vaporize for you to breathe in. E-liquids are not just water, they
contain some nasty chemicals.

you get the popcorn lung!
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Re: Smoking
By: Nightfox to Gary Gordon on Sat Jul 26 2025 05:35 pm

I never thought it looked really cool. Just a little silly with something hanging out of someone's mouth with ashes falling off it..

And the eye squinting from the smoke that gets in your eyes, I quit smoking when I was 22.
Never had the desire to start back up.
When I quit a pack of cigarettes cost me 0.58 cents at the store and 0.65 at the vending machines.



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People tend to think of 'vaping' as safe, but it's not safe.
'E-liquid' or 'e-juice' or 'vape juice' is what the devices use to
vaporize for you to breathe in. E-liquids are not just water, they
contain some nasty chemicals.

The chief ingredient is propylene glycol and/or vegetable glycol. These are ingredients used in countless food, medicine, cosmetic, and other products. Been to a live show? Theatrical fog is the same stuff, just un-scented, and obviously does not contain nicotine.

It's true that a lack of regulation means potentially bad stuff in the flavouring compounds (see below), but if you buy from reputable juice manufacturers who are open about their ingredients, and/or operate in a jurisdiction that regulates the industry, you are far far far better off than inhaling combustion products.

you get the popcorn lung!

Popcorn lung is associated with diacetyl, found in popcorn flavouring (hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds. It is not associated with vaping itself. In countries that regulate vape juice (like the UK), diacetyl is a banned ingredient.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Retroswim to MRO on Mon Aug 04 2025 12:21 am

(hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds. It
is not associated with vaping itself. In countries that regulate
vape juice (like the UK), diacetyl is a banned ingredient.

Hope this helps.

dont care, i don't vape.

you quoted what someone else said except when i said popcorn lung.

i dont think vaping is safe, i dont think putting anything into your lungs
is safe.

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dont care, i don't vape.

Cool? Others following this public discussion may, however. It's not all about you. :)

you quoted what someone else said except when i said popcorn lung.

"Things that don't matter" for 1000 points, Alex.

i dont think vaping is safe, i dont think putting anything into your lungs is safe.

It's your prerogative to think that, but at least now you and other readers can carry their opinions based on more accurate information. You're welcome!

Have a great day! :)

Cheers,
RetroSwim

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Quoting Retroswim to Mro <=-

People tend to think of 'vaping' as safe, but it's not safe.
'E-liquid' or 'e-juice' or 'vape juice' is what the devices use to
vaporize for you to breathe in. E-liquids are not just water, they
contain some nasty chemicals.

The chief ingredient is propylene glycol and/or vegetable glycol.
These are ingredients used in countless food, medicine, cosmetic, and other products. Been to a live show? Theatrical fog is the same stuff, just un-scented, and obviously does not contain nicotine.
It's true that a lack of regulation means potentially bad stuff in the flavouring compounds (see below), but if you buy from reputable juice manufacturers who are open about their ingredients, and/or operate in
a jurisdiction that regulates the industry, you are far far far better
off than inhaling combustion products.

you get the popcorn lung!

Popcorn lung is associated with diacetyl, found in popcorn flavouring (hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds. It is
not associated with vaping itself. In countries that regulate vape
juice (like the UK), diacetyl is a banned ingredient.
Hope this helps.

It's strange what people do to justify smoking or 'vaping'. As I
stated in the message originally, I'm no one to talk as I smoked
cigarettes until I was 27 years old. I knew it was bad at the time
I was doing it and could find countless ways to justify it. Also
the government did regulate cigarettes at the time, so yeah that
didn't actually do anything to mitigate the problems.

Smoking cigarettes is bad for your lungs. Vaping is bad for your
lungs, and of course placing your mouth over the exhaust pipe of a
running combustion engine is bad for your lungs.

Going to a show where they use 'fog' is something I may have done
once or twice, but not every hour of my waking life.

Just saying...


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Quoting Retroswim to Mro <=-

you quoted what someone else said except when i said popcorn lung.

"Things that don't matter" for 1000 points, Alex.

Wow. Great answer!

i dont think vaping is safe, i dont think putting anything into your lungs is safe.

It's your prerogative to think that, but at least now you and other readers can carry their opinions based on more accurate information. You're welcome!

As I said, it's amazing what people will do to justify their
behavior. It's obvious that you are a user. Your 'more accurate
information' is biased and based upon your opinion. But hey that's
OK. We all have opinions, It's your prerogiative to have one.

Thanks!

Hoping you have a wonderful day!




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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Retroswim to MRO on Mon Aug 04 2025 02:52 pm

you quoted what someone else said except when i said popcorn lung.

"Things that don't matter" for 1000 points, Alex.

If you're quoting what someone wrote, it's good to address your reply to the person you're quoting.

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Popcorn lung is associated with diacetyl, found in popcorn flavouring (hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds.

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?


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It's strange what people do to justify smoking or 'vaping'. As I
stated in the message originally, I'm no one to talk as I smoked
cigarettes until I was 27 years old. I knew it was bad at the time I
was doing it and could find countless ways to justify it. Also the government did regulate cigarettes at the time, so yeah that didn't actually do anything to mitigate the problems.

It isnt about justifying it.IMO, people do what they want, you and I included. Neither of us ought to have to justify what we do to our own bodies.

The issue is that half-truths and misinformation affect discourse and policy. I just felt like putting the information out there.

As for regulation, the two are difficult to compare. The carcinogenic inhalants from.tobacco burning are not added, they are created by virtue of, well, burning. The process of vaporising these liquids only mobilises the liquid as a vapor, there is no chemical reaction taking place.

And you're right in saying that directly inhaling the vapor from a device is quantitatively different to being around theatrical fog, however one would expect that occupational exposure to the stuff (say, actors and stage hands) would have exposed any issues by now.

Not a conclusive observation by any means, but a.more useful one than a bare assertion like "I believe X is bad." We can investigate to prove/disprove the former.

Cheers,
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If you're quoting what someone wrote, it's good to address your reply to the person you're quoting.

Granted. I did feel that the entire thought needed the two quotes for completeness, but I should have inclided something to more clearly attribute the two parts.

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Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

lol! Nah, it's inhaling the dust that's the issue. It's a food grade ingredient.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Retroswim to MRO on Mon Aug 04 2025 02:52 pm

Cool? Others following this public discussion may, however. It's not
all about you. :)

if it's not me you could reply to all.

you quoted what someone else said except when i said popcorn lung.

"Things that don't matter" for 1000 points, Alex.

learn to quote.

i dont think vaping is safe, i dont think putting anything into your lungs is safe.

It's your prerogative to think that, but at least now you and other
readers can carry their opinions based on more accurate information.

pretty sure i'm right

You're welcome!

no thank you.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Cougar428 to RETROSWIM on Mon Aug 04 2025 07:47 am

actually do anything to mitigate the problems.

Smoking cigarettes is bad for your lungs. Vaping is bad for your
lungs, and of course placing your mouth over the exhaust pipe of a
running combustion engine is bad for your lungs.

everyone knows that vaping is bad for your lungs.
they just dont want to admit it.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Cougar428 to RETROSWIM on Mon Aug 04 2025 07:47 am

you quoted what someone else said except when i said popcorn lung.

"Things that don't matter" for 1000 points, Alex.

Wow. Great answer!

not really, he replied to me using someone else's quotes.
he should have replied to that person.

behavior. It's obvious that you are a user. Your 'more accurate
information' is biased and based upon your opinion. But hey that's
OK. We all have opinions, It's your prerogiative to have one.

they should just own up to it and admit it.
i've heard users make up all kinds of stories. one guy said
smoking weed cleans your lungs. and it kills cancer!
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Dumas Walker to RETROSWIM on Mon Aug 04 2025 09:46 am

Popcorn lung is associated with diacetyl, found in popcorn
flavouring (hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds.

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

it causes popcorn stomach.

well well well. internet tells me that other chemicals in vapes
cause damaged airways as well.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Retroswim to Cougar428 on Tue Aug 05 2025 07:09 am

Not a conclusive observation by any means, but a.more useful one than
a bare assertion like "I believe X is bad." We can investigate
to prove/disprove the former.

american lung association sez:

"Even though we know that diacetyl causes popcorn lung, this chemical is
found in many e-cigarette flavors. It is added to "e-juice" liquid by some e-cigarette companies to complement flavorings such as vanilla, maple,
coconut and more. So, while diacetyl was swiftly removed from popcorn
products since it could cause this devastating disease among factory workers, e-cigarette users are directly inhaling this harmful chemical into their lungs. In fact, researchers at Harvard found that 39 of 51 e-cigarette brands contained diacetyl. The study also found two similarly harmful chemicals- pentanedione and acetoin-present in 23 and 46 of the 51 flavors it tested.
And roughly 92 percent of the e-cigarettes had one of the three chemicals present."
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Dumas Walker wrote to RETROSWIM <=-

Popcorn lung is associated with diacetyl, found in popcorn flavouring (hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds.

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

I wouldn't know, as soon as they stopped calling it "Butter" I stopped
having it put on my popcorn.

First it was butter, then it was "butter flavor", now they call it
"popcorn topping".

Aside: I've noticed more people now buying the large popcorn container
with free refills and taking popcorn home with them after the movie.
I'd think one or two refills while you're at the theater would suffice.



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Popcorn lung is associated with diacetyl, found in popcorn
flavouring (hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds.

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

it causes popcorn stomach.

:D

well well well. internet tells me that other chemicals in vapes
cause damaged airways as well.

I am not at all surprised.


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It isnt about justifying it.IMO, people do what they want, you and I included.
Neither of us ought to have to justify what we do to our own bodies.

I agree for the most part. That said, some of the things that people intentionally do to their bodies do ultimately cost us all. I would think
even more so in countries that have socialized medicine.


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Re: Re: Smoking
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue Aug 05 2025 08:58 am

I wouldn't know, as soon as they stopped calling it "Butter" I stopped having it put on my popcorn.

First it was butter, then it was "butter flavor", now they call it "popcorn topping".

I hadn't noticed, but I don't go to the theater very often anymore.. Is that the liquid stuff they put on the popcorn? I've seen butter flavored seasoning salt you can buy in grocery stores, but I'd have thought the liquid was melted butter or margarine or similar..

Aside: I've noticed more people now buying the large popcorn container with free refills and taking popcorn home with them after the movie. I'd think one or two refills while you're at the theater would suffice.

I think people like to have movie theater popcorn at home they can eat later. And at the prices they charge at the theater, I think people also want to feel like they're getting their money's worth.

I think the free refills is sort of funny. I wouldn't want to leave the auditorium during the movie (and miss part of the movie) to get a refill on my popcorn. Maybe if there was an intermission though.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Retroswim to Dumas Walker on Tue Aug 05 2025 07:13:32

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

lol! Nah, it's inhaling the dust that's the issue. It's a food grade ingredient.

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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Retroswim to Dumas Walker on Tue Aug 05 2025 07:13:32

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

lol! Nah, it's inhaling the dust that's the issue. It's a food grade ingredient.

A friend of mine told me that a friend of his told him that eating popcorn will give you popcorn farts. I can see the comparibility of both now.

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Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

I wouldn't know, as soon as they stopped calling it "Butter" I stopped
having it put on my popcorn.

First it was butter, then it was "butter flavor", now they call it
"popcorn topping".

I haven't had theatre popcorn in a *long* time. I suspect the popcorn in question here is the microwave variety but I could be wrong. IIRC, those
also are "butter flavored" rather than "buttered."

I would also prefer the real thing vs. a chemical cocktail.


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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed Aug 06 2025 09:59 am

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

I wouldn't know, as soon as they stopped calling it "Butter" I
stopped having it put on my popcorn.

First it was butter, then it was "butter flavor", now they call it "popcorn topping".

I haven't had theatre popcorn in a *long* time. I suspect the
popcorn in question here is the microwave variety but I could be
wrong. IIRC, those also are "butter flavored" rather than
"buttered."

I would also prefer the real thing vs. a chemical cocktail.

I don't think they've been putting real butter on movie theater popcorn the entire time we've been alive, or atleast since before the first time we saw our first movie in the movie theaters. they have always used flavored oil.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue Aug 05 2025 08:58 am

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

I wouldn't know, as soon as they stopped calling it "Butter" I stopped
having it put on my popcorn.

Probably a good idea. I saw a story once on a guy way back that loved popcorn so much he ate it everyday and ended up with popcorn lung.

I've had very little since then.

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I don't think they've been putting real butter on movie theater popcorn the entire time we've been alive, or atleast since before the first time we saw our first movie in the movie theaters. they have always used flavored oil.

You are likely correct.


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Re: Re: Smoking
By: The Lizard Master to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 06 2025 07:02 am

Re: Re: Smoking
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue Aug 05 2025 08:58 am

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

I wouldn't know, as soon as they stopped calling it "Butter" I
stopped having it put on my popcorn.

Probably a good idea. I saw a story once on a guy way back that loved popcorn so much he ate it everyday and ended up with popcorn lung.

he ate 2 bags of popcorn a day for 10+ years.
he got 7.2million.

if he liked popcorn that much i'm surprised he didnt just pop his own
popcorn.
it's a lot better like that.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Mickey to Retroswim on Tue Aug 05 2025 06:39 pm

give you popcorn farts. I can see the comparibility of both now.

Not sure I've ever had popcorn farts... but I never noticed that cabbage farts were a thing until someone else pointed it out.

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On 8/4/2025 6:51 PM, MRO wrote to COUGAR428:

everyone knows that vaping is bad for your lungs.
they just dont want to admit it.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Robert Wolfe to MRO on Thu Aug 28 2025 01:40 am

On 8/4/2025 6:51 PM, MRO wrote to COUGAR428:

everyone knows that vaping is bad for your lungs.
they just dont want to admit it.
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Oooh. We agree on something :)

Vaping and smoking are both bad... I still do both, one habit I haven't able to break. Ah well, easying my way from this side of the ground to the other. :)

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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Jon Justvig to Robert Wolfe on Fri Aug 29 2025 02:27 am

Vaping and smoking are both bad... I still do both, one
habit I haven't able to break. Ah well, easying my way from
this side of the ground to the other. :)

Smoking is the hardest thing to quit. It's a physical and emotional
addiction.

You will always want to smoke. If you have friends that smoke and you are around them it makes it impossible to quit.

You never really quit smoking. You just stop.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: MRO to Jon Justvig on Fri Aug 29 2025 11:01 am

Smoking is the hardest thing to quit. It's a physical and emotional addiction.

You will always want to smoke. If you have friends that smoke and you are around them it makes it impossible to quit.

You never really quit smoking. You just stop.

Much of my immediate family (including my parents) and their friends smoked when I was growing up. I didn't like it, and anyone who smoked always told me it was a bad idea, so I never started. My mom had a heart attack in 2014 and she decided to just stop smoking. My dad had a bad cold years ago and said he couldn't really smoke because he'd cough too much, and he was also sleeping a lot; he said he slept through much of his withdrawals, and he decided to stop smoking after that. I'm glad they stopped smoking.. These days, I don't know very many people who smoke anymore.

It seems almost weird now to think I remember when smoking was legal basically everywhere, including inside grocery stores & supermarkets & such. People used to be buying grocery store produce that had been exposed to cigarette smoke in the store.

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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Aug 29 2025 12:38 pm

smoking after that. I'm glad they stopped smoking.. These days, I don't kn very many people who smoke anymore.

It is pretty nice that so many people have stopped.. except for bums like me who just like the occassional cig. It used to be that you could look around (or later, go outside and look around) to find someone smoking that you could bum a cig off of :). Not anymore.

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Re: Re: Smoking
By: MRO to Jon Justvig on Fri Aug 29 2025 11:01 am

Smoking is the hardest thing to quit. It's a physical and emotional addiction.

You will always want to smoke. If you have friends that smoke and you are around them it makes it impossible to quit.

You never really quit smoking. You just stop.

Much of my immediate family (including my parents) and their friends smoked when I was growing up. I didn't like it, and anyone who smoked always told me it was a bad idea, so I never started. My mom had a
heart attack in 2014 and she decided to just stop smoking. My dad had
a bad cold years ago and said he couldn't really smoke because he'd
cough too much, and he was also sleeping a lot; he said he slept
through much of his withdrawals, and he decided to stop smoking after that. I'm glad they stopped smoking.. These days, I don't know very
many people who smoke anymore.

I remember my parents smoking, but also remember them quitting when I
was fairly young. I did smoke myself for a few years, but quit LONG
ago.

It seems almost weird now to think I remember when smoking was legal basically everywhere, including inside grocery stores & supermarkets & such. People used to be buying grocery store produce that had been exposed to cigarette smoke in the store.

Yup, recall that too, and in restaurants while you're trying to eat.
I'm old enough to even remember people smoking on airplanes. The rear 1/3
or so of the seating was for smokers, as if there was a magic barrier that
kept the smoke from coming forward into the rest of the cabin. Not cool at all, but at that time it was a "normal" thing. Seems very strange to me now.



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MRO wrote to Jon Justvig <=-

Vaping and smoking are both bad... I still do both, one
habit I haven't able to break. Ah well, easying my way from
this side of the ground to the other. :)

Smoking is the hardest thing to quit. It's a physical and emotional addiction.

This is true.

You will always want to smoke. If you have friends that smoke and you
are around them it makes it impossible to quit.

I smoked for a few years, and quit LONG ago. I have ZERO desire to
smoke now, and am positive that I never will again. It's not true that
you "will always want to smoke".

You never really quit smoking. You just stop.

That doesn't really make any sense. Quitting and stopping are the same
thing. I quit without all that much trouble - used the nicotine patches
on the arm for a few weeks to come down from it.



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Re: Re: Smoking
By: phigan to Nightfox on Fri Aug 29 2025 02:24 pm

Re: Re: Smoking
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Aug 29 2025 12:38 pm
It is pretty nice that so many people have stopped.. except for bums like me who just like the occassional cig.

I could not do that... if I were to smoke one, I would be smoking again. And I haven't smoked since 2008. (I did vape for about a year but stopped in 2020.) I miss it every minute of every day.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Bf2k+ to phigan on Fri Aug 29 2025 06:52 pm

I could not do that... if I were to
smoke one, I would be smoking again.

The cravings still come once in a
while, and I just let them pass. Once
in a while, though, like when I'm
really hungry, a smoke feels really
good :). I think I go through a pack a
month, or a little longer.

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** On Friday 29.08.25 - 12:38, Nightfox wrote to MRO:

It seems almost weird now to think I remember when smoking
was legal basically everywhere, including inside grocery
stores & supermarkets & such. People used to be buying
grocery store produce that had been exposed to cigarette
smoke in the store.

And.. not to mention the ashes from the cigs onto produce. But
I think most smokers butted out before entering.


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Aside: I've noticed more people now buying the large popcorn
container
with free refills and taking popcorn home with them after the
movie.
I'd think one or two refills while you're at the theater would
suffice.

Would you like some soda with your ice, or some popcorn with
your butter and salt?? <G>

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Mike,

I agree for the most part. That said, some of the things that
people intentionally do to their bodies do ultimately cost us
all. I would think even more so in countries that have
socialized medicine.

I don't lecture folks on doing the vices (smoking, drinking, etc.).
They know the risks and the consequences, and only they can make the
choice to quit...as hard as it may be.

I'm reminded of an old B.C. comic strip, where one character says
to the other "I've discovered something about the nicotine patches.
If you roll them too tight, they won't light". <G>

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Mick,

A friend of mine told me that a friend of his told him that
eating popcorn will give you popcorn farts. I can see the
comparibility of both now.

It is a good source of fiber to keep your digestive tract
"regular".

I would get the microwave popcorn with extra butter.

Daryl


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