• ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS

    From Robert Wolfe@VERT/OTHETA to DARKWING on Sun Jul 30 09:54:00 2017
    In a message dated 07-23-17, Darkwing said to Mro:

    DARKWING> SL sounded like fun, so I logged in and... Yeah, just a bunch of DARKWING>furries in a virtual environment with bad graphics. Umm, nah.

    And your point is?

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Robert Wolfe on Sun Jul 30 23:00:09 2017
    Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Robert Wolfe to DARKWING on Sun Jul 30 2017 09:54 am

    In a message dated 07-23-17, Darkwing said to Mro:

    DARKWING> SL sounded like fun, so I logged in and... Yeah, just a bunch of DARKWING>furries in a virtual environment with bad graphics. Umm, nah.

    And your point is?

    Robert Wolfe


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  • From Robert Wolfe@VERT/OTHETA to MRO on Tue Aug 1 07:08:00 2017
    In a message dated 07-30-17, Mro said to Robert Wolfe:

    DARKWING> SL sounded like fun, so I logged in and... Yeah, just a bunch of DARKWING>furries in a virtual environment with bad graphics. Umm, nah.

    And your point is?

    furries are generally looked at as sick perverted freaks.

    Not all of us are.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Robert Wolfe on Tue Aug 1 10:16:59 2017
    Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Robert Wolfe to MRO on Tue Aug 01 2017 07:08:00

    furries are generally looked at as sick perverted freaks.

    Not all of us are.


    Is'nt that like the whole idea behind the "Furry" movement..?

    If it is'nt excuse me for my ignorance.. and to each their own, it truly is'nt my business.. I truly seek enlightenment :)

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  • From Darkwing@VERT to Robert Wolfe on Tue Aug 1 12:48:08 2017
    Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Robert Wolfe to MRO on Tue Aug 01 2017 07:08 am

    DARKWING> SL sounded like fun, so I logged in and... Yeah, just a bu of DARKWING>furries in a virtual environment with bad graphics. Umm, nah And your point is?
    furries are generally looked at as sick perverted freaks.
    Not all of us are.

    My only point was that it was not what I expected at all. I was looking f or something more like world of warcrack, or even lambdamoo (lambda.moo.mud.org :8888). I never got past the group hanging out at the zone-in location, so may be there's more to it. It wasn't a slam on anyone's preferences though.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 2 08:38:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

    If it is'nt excuse me for my ignorance.. and to each their own, it
    truly is'nt my business.. I truly seek enlightenment :)

    I did watch a doco about the furry movement. Not my cup of tea, but each to their own, as long as no one is being harmed or being forced to do anything without consent.

    Re-editing my message - the tagline was randomply picked! :D

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 1 20:03:40 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 02 2017 08:38:00

    If it is'nt excuse me for my ignorance.. and to each their own, it
    truly is'nt my business.. I truly seek enlightenment :)

    I did watch a doco about the furry movement. Not my cup of tea, but each to their own, as long as no one is being harmed or being forced to do anything without consent.

    Agreed!

    Re-editing my message - the tagline was randomply picked! :D

    ROFLMAO! I believe that would be a whole different fetish.. but furry does fit the bill :)

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  • From Robert Wolfe@VERT/OTHETA to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 1 08:21:00 2017
    furries are generally looked at as sick perverted freaks.

    Not all of us are.

    Is'nt that like the whole idea behind the "Furry" movement..?

    If it is'nt excuse me for my ignorance.. and to each their own, it truly is'nt
    my business.. I truly seek enlightenment :)

    "Furry" means something different to everyone. Yes, there are those furries that give our culture a bad name, just like there is in other subcultures/cultures. Rest assured, I am not one of the "bad" furries.



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  • From Robert Wolfe@VERT/OTHETA to DARKWING on Tue Aug 1 08:22:00 2017
    My only point was that it was not what I expected at all. I was looking
    f
    or something more like world of warcrack, or even lambdamoo ->(lambda.moo.mud.org
    :8888). I never got past the group hanging out at the zone-in location, so ->may
    be there's more to it. It wasn't a slam on anyone's preferences though.

    My pioint was is that SOME people will take your comment and even if it wasn't a derogatory remark, certain others will twist it to be that way.



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 2 11:42:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I did watch a doco about the furry movement. Not my cup of tea, but each to their own, as long as no one is being harmed or being forced to do anything without consent.

    Agreed!

    Yep, I don't see why we should be forcing our values on everyone else. The Religious Right(Wrong) do that all the time, they can go and piss off, as far as I'm concerned.

    Re-editing my message - the tagline was randomply picked! :D

    ROFLMAO! I believe that would be a whole different fetish.. but furry
    does fit the bill :)

    LOL, sometimes, offline readers seem to have artificial intelligence. :D


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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Robert Wolfe on Wed Aug 2 07:41:35 2017
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Robert Wolfe to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 01 2017 08:21 am

    "Furry" means something different to everyone. Yes, there are those furries that give our culture a bad name, just like there is in other subcultures/cultures. Rest assured, I am not one of the "bad" furries.

    I'm confused. Is it a sex thing or isn't it? I'm cool with it either way, to each their own, but if we're splitting the world up into Good Furries and Bad Furries let's really go with this.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 2 16:47:19 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 02 2017 08:38 am

    KK4QBN wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

    If it is'nt excuse me for my ignorance.. and to each their own, it truly is'nt my business.. I truly seek enlightenment :)



    i saw a video of a furry finding some children and trying to entertain them. looked like a pedophile and those are better off dead.

    i usually dont care what other people do but i think furries need mental help. ---
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Robert Wolfe on Wed Aug 2 16:53:32 2017
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Robert Wolfe to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 01 2017 08:21 am

    "Furry" means something different to everyone. Yes, there are those furries that give our culture a bad name, just like there is in other subcultures/cultures. Rest assured, I am not one of the "bad" furries.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 2 16:54:15 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 02 2017 11:42 am

    Yep, I don't see why we should be forcing our values on everyone else. The Religious Right(Wrong) do that all the time, they can go and piss off, as far as I'm concerned.


    jesus was black

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Leregard on Wed Aug 2 18:06:53 2017
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Leregard to Robert Wolfe on Wed Aug 02 2017 07:41 am

    I'm confused. Is it a sex thing or isn't it? I'm cool with it either way, to each their own, but if we're splitting the world up into Good Furries and Bad Furries let's really go with this.


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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Wed Aug 2 20:03:38 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 02 2017 16:47:19

    i saw a video of a furry finding some children and trying to entertain them. looked like a pedophile and those are better off dead.

    i usually dont care what other people do but i think furries need mental

    The only exposure to furries I've had is through the Flaming Lips. But I've *Heard* some things.. like parties that would make a swingers or key party look down in shame.. I dunno though.. and really would rather not dig down deep enough..

    It's bad enough that folks like my neice get augmentations to looks like Pikachu..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Wed Aug 2 20:07:53 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 02 2017 16:54:15

    jesus was black

    With Mary being his mother, depending on "Genetics" he was either black or very brown skin. unless God is an Western Europeon wig wearing type.. then maybe he is fairer complection.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Thu Aug 3 11:03:00 2017
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    jesus was black

    Actually, one would expect him to be of Middle Eastern appearance with an olive complexion, since that's the part of the world he was from.


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  • From Robert Wolfe@VERT/OTHETA to LEREGARD on Wed Aug 2 09:33:00 2017

    I'm confused. Is it a sex thing or isn't it? I'm cool with it
    either way, to each their own, but if we're splitting the world up
    into Good Furries and Bad Furries let's really go with this.

    For some people, yes, it is a sex thing. And it's those that give the
    whole subculture a bad name. For a lot of people though, it can go as
    far as being a "spiritual" thing -- a way for them to get into a closer fellowship with their "totem," "spirit guide," etc. (I've a little
    American Indian blood in me, so this is where I approach the whole furry thing.)


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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Robert Wolfe on Thu Aug 3 03:11:27 2017
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Robert Wolfe to LEREGARD on Wed Aug 02 2017 09:33:00

    For some people, yes, it is a sex thing. And it's those that give the whole subculture a bad name. For a lot of people though, it can go as
    far as being a "spiritual" thing -- a way for them to get into a closer fellowship with their "totem," "spirit guide," etc. (I've a little American Indian blood in me, so this is where I approach the whole furry thing.)

    Completely Understandable.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Mro on Thu Aug 3 07:31:03 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 02 2017 04:54 pm

    jesus was black


    Maybe, or brown definatley not white.
    Hollywood made Jesus white.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Mro on Thu Aug 3 09:12:48 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 02 2017 04:47 pm

    i usually dont care what other people do but i think furries need mental help. ---

    If it's not too personal a question, what kind of *perfectly normal*, *not weird at all* sex stuff are *you* into?

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Mro on Thu Aug 3 10:18:09 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Leregard to Mro on Thu Aug 03 2017 09:12 am

    If it's not too personal a question, what kind of *perfectly normal*, *not weird at all* sex stuff are *you* into?


    Note: This is a trick question. All sex stuff is weird, there is no normal sex stuff, it's wired into your brain WAY lower in than the part that makes things seem normal. It doesn't care about normal at all. It's about as human as a hurricane.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Robert Wolfe on Thu Aug 3 11:02:36 2017
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Robert Wolfe to LEREGARD on Wed Aug 02 2017 09:33 am

    For some people, yes, it is a sex thing. And it's those that give the
    whole subculture a bad name. For a lot of people though, it can go as
    far as being a "spiritual" thing -- a way for them to get into a closer fellowship with their "totem," "spirit guide," etc. (I've a little
    American Indian blood in me, so this is where I approach the whole furry thing.)


    1.) These do not strike me as mutually exclusive.

    2.) Fuck it, https://hermetic.com/stavish/rituals/godform

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Fri Aug 4 07:17:00 2017
    Leregard wrote to Mro <=-

    Note: This is a trick question. All sex stuff is weird, there is no normal sex stuff, it's wired into your brain WAY lower in than the part that makes things seem normal. It doesn't care about normal at all.
    It's about as human as a hurricane.

    Haha and both involve blow jobs. :D (sorry, couldn't resist ;) ).


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Leregard on Thu Aug 3 22:29:40 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Leregard to Mro on Thu Aug 03 2017 09:12 am

    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 02 2017 04:47 pm

    i usually dont care what other people do but i think furries need mental help. ---

    If it's not too personal a question, what kind of *perfectly normal*, *not weird at all* sex stuff are *you* into?


    well, i dont hurt anybody or anything and i dont do anything with animals or anything that is illegal. what i do is something nobody would be ashamed of.

    and it's still good
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Leregard on Thu Aug 3 22:33:55 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Leregard to Mro on Thu Aug 03 2017 10:18 am

    If it's not too personal a question, what kind of *perfectly normal*, *not weird at all* sex stuff are *you* into?


    Note: This is a trick question. All sex stuff is weird, there is no normal sex stuff, it's wired into your brain WAY lower in than the part that makes things seem normal. It doesn't care about normal at all. It's about as human as a hurricane.


    i know it was a trick question but i answered it well, didnt i?
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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Fri Aug 4 05:33:33 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Mro to Leregard on Thu Aug 03 2017 22:33:55

    If it's not too personal a question, what kind of *perfectly
    normal*, *not weird at all* sex stuff are *you* into?


    Note: This is a trick question. All sex stuff is weird, there is no
    normal sex stuff, it's wired into your brain WAY lower in than the
    part that makes things seem normal. It doesn't care about normal at
    all. It's about as human as a hurricane.


    i know it was a trick question but i answered it well, didnt i?

    It put the lotion on it's skin..


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  • From Darkwing@VERT to Mro on Fri Aug 4 08:33:05 2017
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Mro to Leregard on Wed Aug 02 2017 06:06 pm

    ... and do the good furries and bad furries do battle?

    They do, but are limited to 20 Furry Fights per day, after which they must rest and restore hit points. Reset is at midnight, UTC-0500...

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Mro on Fri Aug 4 08:55:07 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Mro to Leregard on Thu Aug 03 2017 10:33 pm

    i know it was a trick question but i answered it well, didnt i?

    No. Your answer was basically "my ego is the standard for everything"

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Mro on Fri Aug 4 09:46:17 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Mro to Leregard on Thu Aug 03 2017 10:29 pm

    well, i dont hurt anybody or anything and i dont do anything with animals or anything that is illegal. what i do is something nobody would be ashamed of.

    Shame is part of the experience. It's part of being open and vulnerable with another living, conscious soul, that can see your body through their own eyes the way you see their body with yours... and yes, they are probably judging you, just like you're probably judging them.

    It would be nice if we never had to worry about not being good enough, or growing old, or our loved ones dying, or otherwise just leaving us behind. But it wouldn't be very human.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Darkwing on Fri Aug 4 12:33:01 2017
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Darkwing to Mro on Fri Aug 04 2017 08:33 am

    ... and do the good furries and bad furries do battle?

    They do, but are limited to 20 Furry Fights per day, after which they must rest and restore hit points. Reset is at midnight, UTC-0500...

    Ok, Ewoks versus Gremlins. Discuss.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Leregard on Fri Aug 4 16:24:39 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Leregard to Mro on Fri Aug 04 2017 08:55 am

    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Mro to Leregard on Thu Aug 03 2017 10:33 pm

    i know it was a trick question but i answered it well, didnt i?

    No. Your answer was basically "my ego is the standard for everything"


    WRONG
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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to MRO on Mon Aug 7 10:25:00 2017
    MRO wrote to VK3JED <=-

    KK4QBN wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

    If it is'nt excuse me for my ignorance.. and to each their own, it truly is'nt my business.. I truly seek enlightenment :)



    i saw a video of a furry finding some children and trying to entertain them. looked like a pedophile and those are better off dead.

    i usually dont care what other people do but i think furries need
    mental help. ---

    I know people that enjoy wearing 'ears' and such as accesories. I don't
    think they need 'help.' For that matter my wife bought a set of ears
    and a clip on tail at Gencon a few years ago. LOTS of cosplayers there
    and that was her way to dip her toe, so to speak.




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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to Robert Wolfe on Mon Aug 7 10:44:00 2017
    Robert Wolfe wrote to LEREGARD <=-


    I'm confused. Is it a sex thing or isn't it? I'm cool with it
    either way, to each their own, but if we're splitting the world up
    into Good Furries and Bad Furries let's really go with this.

    For some people, yes, it is a sex thing. And it's those that give the whole subculture a bad name. For a lot of people though, it can go as
    far as being a "spiritual" thing -- a way for them to get into a closer fellowship with their "totem," "spirit guide," etc. (I've a little American Indian blood in me, so this is where I approach the whole
    furry thing.)

    I just started (finally) watching Star Trek Voyager over the weekend,
    and the whole Indian "spirit guide" thing was featured. VERY cool!

    And thanks for saying Indian and not Native American. That PC crap
    really gets me, especially since my paternal grandmother was
    Cherokee and we NEVER were offended by the word.




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  • From Robert Wolfe@VERT/OTHETA to JIMMY ANDERSON on Mon Aug 7 03:37:00 2017
    For some people, yes, it is a sex thing. And it's those that give the whole subculture a bad name. For a lot of people though, it can go as far as being a "spiritual" thing -- a way for them to get into a closer fellowship with their "totem," "spirit guide," etc. (I've a little American Indian blood in me, so this is where I approach the whole
    furry thing.)

    I just started (finally) watching Star Trek Voyager over the weekend,
    and the whole Indian "spirit guide" thing was featured. VERY cool!

    Yeah, I thought it was, too. Then again, what Trek episode ISN'T cool? :)


    And thanks for saying Indian and not Native American. That PC crap
    really gets me, especially since my paternal grandmother was
    Cherokee and we NEVER were offended by the word.


    Understand. I've got Choctaw Indian in my blood plus I went to school and had a friend that was full-blooded Choctaw Indian.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to JIMMY ANDERSON on Mon Aug 7 15:04:25 2017
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to Robert Wolfe on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:44 am

    And thanks for saying Indian and not Native American. That PC crap
    really gets me, especially since my paternal grandmother was
    Cherokee and we NEVER were offended by the word.

    Technically, "Indian" means from India.. I believe the reason that word was used was because Christopher Columbus initially thought he had landed in India, has he planned.

    I tend to think of India when I hear "Indian".. But I do work with some people from India..

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Robert Wolfe on Mon Aug 7 15:05:42 2017
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Robert Wolfe to JIMMY ANDERSON on Mon Aug 07 2017 03:37 am

    I just started (finally) watching Star Trek Voyager over the weekend,
    and the whole Indian "spirit guide" thing was featured. VERY cool!

    Yeah, I thought it was, too. Then again, what Trek episode ISN'T cool? :)

    That Voyager episode where they were trying to push the speed barrier, and the captain and Ensign Paris went past warp 10 and ended up turning into lizards was a little weird.. I seem to remember hearing even the cast/writers of Voyager don't consider that episode canon anymore. :P

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon Aug 7 20:16:01 2017
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Nightfox to JIMMY ANDERSON on Mon Aug 07 2017 03:04 pm

    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to Robert Wolfe on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:44 am

    And thanks for saying Indian and not Native American. That PC crap really gets me, especially since my paternal grandmother was
    Cherokee and we NEVER were offended by the word.

    Technically, "Indian" means from India.. I believe the reason that word was


    i say american indian.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Robert Wolfe on Tue Aug 8 10:19:00 2017
    Robert Wolfe wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    And thanks for saying Indian and not Native American. That PC crap
    really gets me, especially since my paternal grandmother was
    Cherokee and we NEVER were offended by the word.


    Understand. I've got Choctaw Indian in my blood plus I went to school
    and had a friend that was full-blooded Choctaw Indian.

    Yep, another argument for self identification, if they want to be called "Indians", call them that! it's not rocket science! :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tue Aug 8 11:22:00 2017
    Nightfox wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    I tend to think of India when I hear "Indian".. But I do work with
    some people from India..

    I sometimes have to ask for clarification, because in Australia, most people nowadays mean someone from India, when they say "Indian", "Native American" eliminates that confusion. We have a lot of people of Indian (as in from India) descent here, some are immigrants, some are Indian students on a student visa, so if you say "indian" here, it's assumed you're talking about South Asian people. :)


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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to JIMMY ANDERSON on Mon Aug 7 22:59:47 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to MRO on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:25:00

    I know people that enjoy wearing 'ears' and such as accesories. I don't think they need 'help.' For that matter my wife bought a set of ears
    and a clip on tail at Gencon a few years ago. LOTS of cosplayers there
    and that was her way to dip her toe, so to speak.

    due.. my neice used to be the mose beautiful, child, teenager growing up.. she got into here rebellious stage late.. and since she is a Millenial, she thinks she is some sor t of pokemon.. She wears fraky contacts ALL TJE TIME. A long with ears and other weird sh8t.. and this is on normal days when she is workign at verizon.. you should see her when she dresses for a convention.. I swear, I believe those japanese anime cartoons brainwashed people as children.

    S

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 7 19:56:38 2017
    Re: Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:22 am

    I tend to think of India when I hear "Indian".. But I do work with
    some people from India..

    I sometimes have to ask for clarification, because in Australia, most people nowadays mean someone from India, when they say "Indian", "Native American" eliminates that confusion. We have a lot of people of Indian (as in from India) descent here, some are immigrants, some are Indian students on a student visa, so if you say "indian" here, it's assumed you're talking about South Asian people. :)

    It's like that in my part of the US too. There are quite a few people from India here, as well as restaurants serving Indian food. I feel like the default understanding is that "Indian" means from India.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to JIMMY ANDERSON on Mon Aug 7 23:15:01 2017
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to Robert Wolfe on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:44:00

    I just started (finally) watching Star Trek Voyager over the weekend,
    and the whole Indian "spirit guide" thing was featured. VERY cool!

    And thanks for saying Indian and not Native American. That PC crap
    really gets me, especially since my paternal grandmother was
    Cherokee and we NEVER were offended by the word.


    Both my gandmothers on each sid of my family are cherokee.. and yes, they had rather be called indian also;






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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 7 23:11:53 2017
    Re: Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:22 am

    I sometimes have to ask for clarification, because in Australia, most people nowadays mean someone from India, when they say "Indian", "Native American" eliminates that confusion. We have a lot of people of Indian (as in from India) descent here, some are immigrants, some are Indian students on a student visa, so if you say "indian" here, it's assumed you're talking about South Asian people. :)


    "native americans" DID come from asia.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 7 23:12:47 2017
    Re: Re: ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: KK4QBN to JIMMY ANDERSON on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:59 pm

    due.. my neice used to be the mose beautiful, child, teenager growing up.. she got into here rebellious stage late.. and since she is a Millenial, she thinks she is some sor t of pokemon.. She wears fraky contacts ALL TJE TIME. A long with ears and other weird sh8t.. and this is on normal days when she is workign at verizon.. you should see her when she dresses for a convention.. I swear, I believe those japanese anime cartoons brainwashed people as children.


    that's whack
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Tue Aug 8 19:12:00 2017
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    "native americans" DID come from asia.

    Well, by that logic, we're all Africans. ;)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Aug 8 08:12:39 2017
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to Robert Wolfe on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:44 am

    And thanks for saying Indian and not Native American. That PC crap
    really gets me, especially since my paternal grandmother was
    Cherokee and we NEVER were offended by the word.

    Didn't the name Indian come because Columbus thought he'd landed in India? Or is that apocryphal?

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tue Aug 8 11:40:43 2017
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2017 20:16:01

    i say american indian.

    "Children of the New World"

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 8 11:53:37 2017
    Re: Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:22:00

    I sometimes have to ask for clarification, because in Australia, most people nowadays mean someone from India, when they say "Indian", "Native American" eliminates that confusion. We have a lot of people of Indian (as in from India) descent here, some are immigrants, some are Indian students on a student visa, so if you say "indian" here, it's assumed you're talking about South Asian people. :)

    We have a lot of "Real Indian" people here too I'm talking most of the phone book either has he name "Smith" a Hispanic name, or the Name "Patel" and I live about 10 miles north of New Echota, the Capital of the Cherokee Nation.. Lickily, we still don't get mixed up that much.. I prefer to call Cherokee's, etc, Natives. but as I said, My Grandmother preferred to be called Indians for some reason.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 8 16:12:23 2017
    Re: Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 19:12:00

    "native americans" DID come from asia.

    Well, by that logic, we're all Africans. ;)

    Logic no longer exists.. but yes.. if we did'nt come on the floating wood.. we crossed the land bridge.. I still believe we were all seeded and God is a Goul'd. J/K

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 8 18:03:53 2017
    Re: Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 07:12 pm

    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    "native americans" DID come from asia.

    Well, by that logic, we're all Africans. ;)


    but was it called africa back then?
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 9 07:43:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    We have a lot of "Real Indian" people here too I'm talking most of the phone book either has he name "Smith" a Hispanic name, or the Name
    "Patel" and I live about 10 miles north of New Echota, the Capital of
    the Cherokee Nation.. Lickily, we still don't get mixed up that much..
    I prefer to call Cherokee's, etc, Natives. but as I said, My
    Grandmother preferred to be called Indians for some reason.

    So you have a significant Indian population too. Well, we do need to respect what people want to call themselves, but at least "American Indians" would minimise the confusion. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 9 07:53:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Logic no longer exists.. but yes.. if we did'nt come on the floating wood.. we crossed the land bridge.. I still believe we were all seeded
    and God is a Goul'd. J/K

    Bloody snakeheads. :D


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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 9 00:07:31 2017
    Re: Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 07:43:00

    So you have a significant Indian population too. Well, we do need to respect what people want to call themselves, but at least "American Indians" would minimise the confusion. :)

    No, actual Indians or "Hindu".. There are a lot of Natives that live about an hour away from me in Cherokee, but I live in what USED to be the Cherokee Nations Capital, My house is a block away from what was called the "Trail of Tears" My subdivision is located on what was called the "Roundup Area" where all the Cherokee were taken from their homes and cities and marched to North Carolina and then to Oklahoma I believe. more than half of them lost their lives. The Cherokee were a very Civilized tribe. They had their own printing press, courts, schools, and churches. But Rich, White people decided they needed their land (not any of my ancestors I can guarantee that) the part of my famly that were'nt brought over here as Irish slaves, were Cherokee.

    This is why at times, I laugh at ignorant black people who say that WHITE people are all Slave driving devils.

    I know we need to remember our past or we are doomed to repeat.. BUT we do not need to keep living in the past.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 9 00:08:17 2017
    Re: Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 07:53:00

    Bloody snakeheads. :D

    Lol..

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 9 15:58:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    This is why at times, I laugh at ignorant black people who say that
    WHITE people are all Slave driving devils.

    Yes, the Irish slave trade has been played down in history, but I was aware of it. At least one of my ancestors was a convict on the First Fleet in 1788, the first wave of British invaders to Australia.

    I know we need to remember our past or we are doomed to repeat.. BUT we
    do not need to keep living in the past.

    Agree on both counts.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 9 15:59:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Bloody snakeheads. :D

    Lol..

    Couldn't resist. :D


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  • From Leregard@VERT to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 9 08:40:31 2017
    Re: Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 09 2017 12:07 am

    No, actual Indians or "Hindu".. There are a lot of Natives that live about an hour away from me in Cherokee, but I live in what USED to be the Cherokee

    India is about 80% Hindu and 20% Muslim with a small mix of Christians mostly concentrated in the far eastern Indian states on the other side of Bangladesh. They have some 70%+ Christian states, over there (missionaries). There's also a VERY old Christian community in the South (like OLD, like founded by one of the actual apostles OLD), but I don't think it's statistically significant in terms of population.
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  • From Toadster@VERT/ENSEMBLE to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sat Jul 28 18:17:43 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to Robert Wolfe on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:44 am

    And thanks for saying Indian and not Native American. That PC crap
    really gets me, especially since my paternal grandmother was
    Cherokee and we NEVER were offended by the word.

    The way I hear it (and I live in a town that's located between two Indian reservations, so I have my sources), it doesn't matter which one you use, because both names were given to them by the white man. I hear what you're saying, though. You say "Native American" and you sound like a geek.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Toadster on Sat Jul 28 20:50:30 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Toadster to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sat Jul 28 2018 06:17 pm

    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to Robert Wolfe on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:44 am

    And thanks for saying Indian and not Native American. That PC crap really gets me, especially since my paternal grandmother was
    Cherokee and we NEVER were offended by the word.

    The way I hear it (and I live in a town that's located between two Indian reservations, so I have my sources), it doesn't matter which one you use, because both names were given to them by the white man. I hear what you're saying, though. You say "Native American" and you sound like a geek.


    they only want to be referred to as their tribe name. aint nobody got time for that so i just call them american indians.
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  • From Toadster@VERT/VALHALLA to MRO on Sun Jul 29 10:16:31 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: MRO to Toadster on Sat Jul 28 2018 08:50 pm

    they only want to be referred to as their tribe name. aint nobody got time for that so i just call them american indians.

    This is getting quite confusing for me, really. I'll have to ask someone.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Toadster on Sun Jul 29 14:16:12 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Toadster to MRO on Sun Jul 29 2018 10:16 am

    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: MRO to Toadster on Sat Jul 28 2018 08:50 pm

    they only want to be referred to as their tribe name. aint nobody got time for that so i just call them american indians.

    This is getting quite confusing for me, really. I'll have to ask someone.

    just dont call them late for dinner!
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sun Jul 29 17:23:11 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to Robert Wolfe on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:44 am

    And thanks for saying Indian and not Native American. That PC crap
    really gets me, especially since my paternal grandmother was
    Cherokee and we NEVER were offended by the word.

    But they aren't from India. They really are native American.. The reason they were called Indians was probably because Chris Columbis intended to sail to India. I don't think it's really politically correct, it's just more accurate to call them Native American.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Toadster on Sun Jul 29 17:25:39 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Toadster to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sat Jul 28 2018 06:17 pm

    saying, though. You say "Native American" and you sound like a geek.

    I've never thought of that term sounding geeky.. Maybe I'm just used to people saying "Native American". I actually haven't heard people call them Indians or American Indian in a while.. Maybe it's because I know people who are actually from India, but when I hear "Indian", I think of someone from India..

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sun Jul 29 21:28:32 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Nightfox to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sun Jul 29 2018 05:23 pm

    But they aren't from India. They really are native American.. The reason


    they didnt start in america. they walked there over the ice bridge in what we call alaska.

    maybe they DID come from what we now call india! AH HAH!
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  • From Toadster@VERT/VALHALLA to MRO on Mon Jul 30 19:20:37 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 29 2018 09:28 pm

    they didnt start in america. they walked there over the ice bridge in what we call alaska.

    Actually, I heard somewhere that archaeologists had discovered a prehistoric Indian/Native American (whatever) village that was 10,000 years older than the Egyptian pyramids. It completely blows that theory, because all the history books say that the ice bridge thing happened about 20,000 years ago. And the pyramids are at least a few thousand years old... I'm gonna have to look this up.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Mon Jul 30 19:00:39 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 29 2018 09:28 pm

    But they aren't from India. They really are native American.. The
    reason

    they didnt start in america. they walked there over the ice bridge in what we call alaska.

    maybe they DID come from what we now call india! AH HAH!

    I've heard they may have come from China.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Toadster on Mon Jul 30 19:02:36 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Toadster to MRO on Mon Jul 30 2018 07:20 pm

    they didnt start in america. they walked there over the ice bridge
    in what we call alaska.

    Actually, I heard somewhere that archaeologists had discovered a prehistoric Indian/Native American (whatever) village that was 10,000 years older than the Egyptian pyramids. It completely blows that theory, because all the history books say that the ice bridge thing happened about 20,000 years ago. And the pyramids are at least a few thousand years old... I'm gonna have to look this up.

    Perhaps there was an old civilization in the Americas that was displaced by the Asian people who walked over on the ice bridge. I seem to recall hearing that may be an actual theory.. Not sure though.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon Jul 30 21:33:49 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jul 30 2018 07:00 pm

    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 29 2018 09:28 pm

    But they aren't from India. They really are native American.. The
    reason

    they didnt start in america. they walked there over the ice bridge in what we call alaska.

    maybe they DID come from what we now call india! AH HAH!

    I've heard they may have come from China.


    scientists only pretend to know most things, then change their minds decades later. they could have came from a whale's asshole for all we know
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon Jul 30 21:36:48 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Nightfox to Toadster on Mon Jul 30 2018 07:02 pm

    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Toadster to MRO on Mon Jul 30 2018 07:20 pm

    they didnt start in america. they walked there over the ice bridge
    in what we call alaska.

    Actually, I heard somewhere that archaeologists had discovered a prehistoric Indian/Native American (whatever) village that was 10,000 years older than the Egyptian pyramids. It completely blows that theory, because all the history books say that the ice bridge thing happened about 20,000 years ago. And the pyramids are at least a few thousand years old... I'm gonna have to look this up.

    Perhaps there was an old civilization in the Americas that was displaced by the Asian people who walked over on the ice bridge. I seem to recall hearing that may be an actual theory.. Not sure though.



    now they say these first people were aborignals and pacific decent
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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Nightfox on Tue Jul 31 06:55:40 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jul 30 2018 19:00:39

    But they aren't from India. They really are native American.. The
    reason

    they didnt start in america. they walked there over the ice bridge in w we call alaska.

    maybe they DID come from what we now call india! AH HAH!

    I've heard they may have come from China.

    I have heard from Asia in general; however, I'm not sure if I fully believe it either way.

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  • From Toadster@VERT/VALHALLA to Nightfox on Tue Jul 31 12:13:02 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Nightfox to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sun Jul 29 2018 05:23 pm

    But they aren't from India. They really are native American.. The reason they were called Indians was probably because Chris Columbis intended to sail to India. I don't think it's really politically correct, it's just more accurate to call them Native American.

    Now here's an interesting little historical factoid for you: Columbus actually went his whole life thinking he had landed in India. So I guess the name
    stuck.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Tue Jul 31 11:50:35 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Jul 30 2018 09:33 pm

    scientists only pretend to know most things, then change their minds decades later. they could have came from a whale's asshole for all we know

    Scientists go with what the research says. They aren't pretending, just going on the best evidence from the research.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Toadster on Tue Jul 31 21:14:59 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Toadster to Nightfox on Tue Jul 31 2018 12:13 pm

    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Nightfox to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sun Jul 29 2018 05:23 pm

    But they aren't from India. They really are native American.. The reason they were called Indians was probably because Chris Columbis intended to sail to India. I don't think it's really politically correct, it's just more accurate to call them Native American.

    Now here's an interesting little historical factoid for you: Columbus actually went his whole life thinking he had landed in India. So I guess the name
    stuck.



    i dont think that's true. india wasnt an undiscovered country; they were just trying to find a western path to india.
    he went to the new world 4 times and discovered a lot of islands and the gulf of mexico and and south american main lands.

    he also knew the world was round but he was wrong about how big it was
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue Jul 31 21:15:50 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Jul 31 2018 11:50 am

    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Jul 30 2018 09:33 pm

    scientists only pretend to know most things, then change their minds decades later. they could have came from a whale's asshole for all we know

    Scientists go with what the research says. They aren't pretending, just going on the best evidence from the research.


    that's what they want you to think. meanwhile i'm sweating my ass off in 100f heat in a fucking factory.
    those guys have it made.
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  • From Toadster@VERT/VALHALLA to MRO on Wed Aug 1 12:52:07 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: MRO to Toadster on Tue Jul 31 2018 09:14 pm

    i dont think that's true. india wasnt an undiscovered country; they were just trying to find a western path to india.
    he went to the new world 4 times and discovered a lot of islands and the gulf of mexico and and south american main lands.

    That ain't the way I heared it, Johnny. :) The way I heared it, he never even set foot on the American continent. He landed on a small island in the Caribbean which he named "Hispaniola," which is the site of present-day Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Maybe he came back a few times and discovered some more islands, South American main lands, etc. Who knows?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Toadster on Wed Aug 1 16:50:28 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Toadster to MRO on Wed Aug 01 2018 12:52 pm

    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: MRO to Toadster on Tue Jul 31 2018 09:14 pm

    i dont think that's true. india wasnt an undiscovered country; they were just trying to find a western path to india.
    he went to the new world 4 times and discovered a lot of islands and the gulf of mexico and and south american main lands.

    That ain't the way I heared it, Johnny. :) The way I heared it, he never

    columbus reached what they called the new world on oct 12,1492

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/columbus-reaches-the-new-world



    he was just trying to find a western route to india. he misjudged how large the planet was.
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  • From Toadster@VERT/VALHALLA to MRO on Thu Aug 2 12:21:52 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: MRO to Toadster on Wed Aug 01 2018 04:50 pm

    columbus reached what they called the new world on oct 12,1492

    Well, that's one of the first things they teach you in history class. :) Granted, history is taught primarily from the white man's point of view, and like I said, I live in a town that's located between two Indian reservations (but not directly on one), and so I have heard many different versions of events. I'm not quite sure what to believe anymore, and quite frankly, I don't want to be Mr. Know-It-All anymore.

    he was just trying to find a western route to india. he misjudged how large the planet was.

    But I do believe that. :)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Toadster on Thu Aug 2 12:49:59 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Toadster to MRO on Thu Aug 02 2018 12:21 pm

    Granted, history is taught primarily from the white man's point of view, and like I said, I live in a town that's located between two Indian reservations (but not directly on one), and so I have heard many different versions of events. I'm not quite sure what to believe anymore, and quite frankly, I don't want to be Mr. Know-It-All anymore.

    They say history tends to be taught (or re-written) from the conquerer's point of view. Sometimes it seems hard to get just the facts. Perhaps that's not very feasiable, as events can be spun different ways, and things can be interpreted as either good or bad.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Toadster on Thu Aug 2 19:09:13 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Toadster to MRO on Thu Aug 02 2018 12:21 pm

    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: MRO to Toadster on Wed Aug 01 2018 04:50 pm

    columbus reached what they called the new world on oct 12,1492

    Well, that's one of the first things they teach you in history class. :)


    well the new world was more than just what we call the united states of america.
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  • From Ray Quinn@VERT/US99 to MRO on Tue Jul 31 11:56:00 2018
    MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jul 30 2018 07:00 pm

    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 29 2018 09:28 pm

    But they aren't from India. They really are native American.. The
    reason

    they didnt start in america. they walked there over the ice bridge in what we call alaska.

    maybe they DID come from what we now call india! AH HAH!

    I've heard they may have come from China.


    scientists only pretend to know most things, then change their minds decades later. they could have came from a whale's asshole for all
    we know ---

    Kinda like the last sentence above... ;-)

    Sorry, Couldn't resist the joke, nothing personal...


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ray Quinn on Sat Aug 4 19:15:59 2018
    Re: RE:ARGUMENTS AND INSULTS
    By: Ray Quinn to MRO on Tue Jul 31 2018 11:56 am

    scientists only pretend to know most things, then change their minds decades later. they could have came from a whale's asshole for all
    we know ---

    Kinda like the last sentence above... ;-)

    Sorry, Couldn't resist the joke, nothing personal...


    what i know is based on experience. i never make up things. i got by what i've seen. if i am taught or told something by 'experts' and these things are frequently reversed or just exposed as being total madeup bullshit, i'm going to be skeptical.
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  • From JIMMYLOGAN@VERT/OTHETA to TOADSTER on Mon Aug 6 23:44:00 2018
    TOADSTER wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    And thanks for saying Indian and not Native American. That PC crap
    really gets me, especially since my paternal grandmother was
    Cherokee and we NEVER were offended by the word.

    The way I hear it (and I live in a town that's located between two
    Indian reservations, so I have my sources), it doesn't matter which one you use, because both names were given to them by the white man.

    Yeah - good point! Land was stolen - they were 'removed' - they were
    called savages... Not a good point in history!

    I hear
    what you're saying, though. You say "Native American" and you sound
    like a geek.

    Yep!



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  • From JIMMYLOGAN@VERT/OTHETA to NIGHTFOX on Mon Aug 6 23:44:00 2018
    NIGHTFOX wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    And thanks for saying Indian and not Native American. That PC crap
    really gets me, especially since my paternal grandmother was
    Cherokee and we NEVER were offended by the word.

    But they aren't from India. They really are native American.. The
    reason they were called Indians was probably because Chris Columbis intended to sail to India. I don't think it's really politically
    correct, it's just more accurate to call them Native American.

    Oh that's exactly it! Chris was looking for a shorter route to
    the Indies and thought he landed there and called them "Indians."

    If you want to be technical, though, they aren't American Indians
    or Native Americans either. They were here long before Americas
    vas Puchie (pardon the spelling - didn't look it up :-) )
    'discovered' this continent. America only became its name later
    on.




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  • From JIMMYLOGAN@VERT/OTHETA to NIGHTFOX on Mon Aug 6 23:44:00 2018
    NIGHTFOX wrote to TOADSTER <=-

    By: Toadster to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sat Jul 28 2018 06:17 pm

    saying, though. You say "Native American" and you sound like a geek.

    I've never thought of that term sounding geeky.. Maybe I'm just used
    to people saying "Native American". I actually haven't heard people
    call them Indians or American Indian in a while.. Maybe it's because I know people who are actually from India, but when I hear "Indian", I
    think of someone from India..

    Well, I wouldn't have used the term 'geeky,' but it sounds PC for
    sure - and using way more syllables for something than is needed
    to convey the message. :-)




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  • From JIMMYLOGAN@VERT/OTHETA to TOADSTER on Mon Aug 6 23:44:00 2018
    TOADSTER wrote to MRO <=-

    they didnt start in america. they walked there over the ice bridge in what we call alaska.

    Actually, I heard somewhere that archaeologists had discovered a prehistoric Indian/Native American (whatever) village that was 10,000 years older than the Egyptian pyramids. It completely blows that
    theory, because all the history books say that the ice bridge thing happened about 20,000 years ago. And the pyramids are at least a few thousand years old... I'm gonna have to look this up.

    I think it's interesting that there are similar designs to the pyramids
    of the different cultures too! I'm not saying aliens were responsible,
    but it does give you pause when you consider how civilizations,
    thousands of miles apart, had similar ideas. :-)

    Have you seen the reports of Tesla's idea for wireless electricity?
    There is a theory that the great pyramids were used for something
    similar, and thus COULD have lit up the night and even been carried
    across the air for many, MANY miles...





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  • From Ray Quinn@VERT/US99 to MRO on Tue Aug 7 20:21:00 2018
    MRO wrote to Ray Quinn <=-


    what i know is based on experience. i never make up things. i got by
    what i've seen. if i am taught or told something by 'experts' and
    these things are frequently reversed or just exposed as being total
    madeup bullshit, i'm going to be skeptical.

    Sounds a bit like me...



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