Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here, since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?
Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here, since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?
Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here, since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?
As a kid, I was extremely surprised how many other "Captain Kirk"s there were around the BBS world. I thought I was being unique. :P
This is the first time I've seen another user (at least on a BBS) use Nightfox as a handle. I have been using 'Nightfox' since I started my
Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here,
since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related
site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?
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þ Synchronet þ Amiga City - The BBS for the Amiga - more than 2,500+ files
i guess if someone go on another bbs and register a name it will work.
There is no mechanism locking name across system.
Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here,
since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?
i guess if someone go on another bbs and register a name it will work.
There is no mechanism locking name across system.
It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P
It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P
With Synchronet's new avatar feature, I recently asked Digital Man what might happen if I choose an avatar on my BBS and a different avatar on a different BBS (which avatar would appear on Dove-Net?), so it almost seems like an odd coincidence that someone else is posting as Nightfox on Dove-Net now..
Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: Digital Man to Ennev on Wed Jan 24 2018 02:32 pm
It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P
It seems my avatar chosen on my BBS isn't always being exported to Dove-Net.. On Monday, I had set my avatar back to the guitar from the Musical Things collection, but I checked on your BBS and it was still using my previous avatar. I do have an AVAT-OUT event set up in SCFG. I just tried changing my avatar and running AVAT-OUT a couple times, and it seems it does not always detect when I've changed my avatar - One of the times I saw it said it exported my avatar (for user #1), but then I changed my avatar again and it said there were no avatars to export. And I had my BBS call out to yours (VERT) again and then checked yours, but it looked like it's still using my older avatar before I changed it on Monday.
It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P
Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: Digital Man to Ennev on Wed Jan 24 2018 02:32 pm
It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P
I had changed my avatar on Monday, but I checked on your BBS and it looked like it was still using my previous avatar before my Monday change. I do have an AVAT-OUT event set up in SCFG, and it runs without any errors. I just tried changing my avatar and running AVAT-OUT a couple times, and it seems it doesn't always see that I changed my avatar. One of the times, it said it exported my avatar (for user #1), but the next time I changed my avatar & ran AVAT-OUT, it said there were no avatars to export. Also, I don't see the avatar from the other Nightfox on my BBS, though I saw his avatar on yours..
Ennev wrote to Nightfox <=-
@VIA: VERT/MTLGEEK
i guess if someone go on another bbs and register a name it will work.
There is no mechanism locking name across system.
Digital Man wrote to Ennev <=-
I'm thrilled that we actually have enough users today that we have a legitimate alias conflict. This used to happen all the time, but no so much nowadays. It's what I call a "quality problem". :-)
It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P
Nightfox wrote to Ennev <=-
@VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: Ennev to Nightfox on Wed Jan 24 2018 04:14 pm
i guess if someone go on another bbs and register a name it will work.
There is no mechanism locking name across system.
Yep, that's true. Though I'd rather there not be confusion about who wrote a message or which person to contact.
With Synchronet's new avatar feature, I recently asked Digital Man what might happen if I choose an avatar on my BBS and a different avatar on
a different BBS (which avatar would appear on Dove-Net?), so it almost seems like an odd coincidence that someone else is posting as Nightfox
on Dove-Net now..
Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-
Murphy's law. Or kismet. Or irony. Something like that. :-)
I'm thrilled that we actually have enough users today that we have a legitimate alias conflict. This used to happen all the time, but no so much nowadays. It's what I call a "quality problem". :-)
different BBS (which avatar would appear on Dove-Net?), so it almost seems like an odd coincidence that someone else is posting as Nightfox on Dove-Net now..
Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here, since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?
Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here, since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?
Re: Nightfox??
By: Nightfox to All on Wed Jan 24 2018 12:59 pm
Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here, since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?
This is the first time I've seen another user (at least on a BBS) use Nightfox as a handle. I have been using 'Nightfox' since I started my original BBS in 1994 and have been using it on Dove-Net since I started my current BBS in 2007.
Yep, that's true. Though I'd rather there not be confusion about who wrote a message or which person to contact.
With Synchronet's new avatar feature, I recently asked Digital Man what might happen if I choose an avatar on my BBS and a different avatar on a different BBS (which avatar would appear on Dove-Net?), so it almost seems like an odd coincidence that someone else is posting as Nightfox on Dove-Net now..
like a decent avatar (and I like to play guitar from time to time). I've tried to draw a few avatars but I haven't really been too happy with my own avatars I've created.. I never have been much of an artist.
Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on
here, since that has been the username I have been using for my
Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even
heck?
As a kid, I was extremely surprised how many other "Captain Kirk"s there were around the BBS world. I thought I was being unique. :P
Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: Digital Man to Ennev on Wed Jan 24 2018 02:32 pm
It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P
I had changed my avatar on Monday, but I checked on your BBS and it looked like it was still using my previous avatar before my Monday change. I do have an AVAT-OUT event set up in SCFG, and it runs without any errors. I just tried changing my avatar and running AVAT-OUT a couple times, and it seems it doesn't always see that I changed my avatar. One of the times, it said it exported my avatar (for user #1), but the next time I changed my avatar & ran AVAT-OUT, it said there were no avatars to export. Also, I don't see the avatar from the other Nightfox on my BBS, though I saw his avatar on yours..
Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jan 24 2018 03:00 pm
like a decent avatar (and I like to play guitar from time to time). I've tried to draw a few avatars but I haven't really been too happy with my own avatars I've created.. I never have been much of an artist.
there's really not enough squares to pull off something decent. i tried to do a hand with a middle finger and it didnt work out.
Re: Nightfox??
By: Nightfox to Nightfox on Wed Jan 24 2018 09:35 am
Re: Nightfox??
By: Nightfox to All on Wed Jan 24 2018 12:59 pm
Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here,
since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related
site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?
This is the first time I've seen another user (at least on a BBS) use Nightfox as a handle. I have been using 'Nightfox' since I started my original BBS in 1994 and have been using it on Dove-Net since I started my current BBS in 2007.
you guys should fight to the deathfight fight fight fight!
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also they need to explain the specs when you choose upload .bin
there's really not enough squares to pull off something decent. i tried to
there's really not enough squares to pull off something decent. i
tried to do a hand with a middle finger and it didnt work out.
Lucky for us you suck as an ANSI artist?
I think Kirman, echicken and myself have done pretty decent with those 60 "squares".
It seems my avatar chosen on my BBS isn't always being exported to
Dove-Net.. On Monday, I had set my avatar back to the guitar from the
If you add the '-v' option to the "avatars.js export" command-line (or just run a test using jsexec, and add the '-v' option), it should give you more details about why a particular user's avatar isn't exported at that time.
Normally, the export frequency should be throttled by the "export_freq" setting (in modopts.ini, by defaults to 7 days). Also, if a user has never posted or can't post, then their avatar won't be exported. Or if a user hasn't logged on since their avatar was last exported, it won't be exported again.
I think Pee Wee herman is still available as a handle.
I had changed my avatar on Monday, but I checked on your BBS and it
looked like it was still using my previous avatar before my Monday
I think I know the reason: duplicate message detection. When you changed your avatar back to the previous image and it was exported, the message body was the same was previously exported to SYNCDATA, so the message rejected as a duplicate. That's an easy fix (besides disabling dupe message body detection). I'll get it fixed in CVS soon.
avatar a bit, the canvas size is a bit off for a perfect circle, especialy if you want to center things in it.
than a "mediocre" ANSI artist. I keep meaning to offer to throw money at someone to design some custom ANSIs for my BBS...
This is the first time I've seen another user (at least on a BBS) use Nightfox as a handle. I have been using 'Nightfox' since I started my original BBS in 1994 and have been using it on Dove-Net since I started my current BBS in 2007.
Just out of curiousity what bbs software did you use in 1994 for your bbs then?
I'm not sure that even an extra column or two would help much with that. Below certain dimensions, circles just don't work out too well, and rounded rectangles end up looking nicer.
Here's a fairly up-to-date look at available avatars in one place: https://bbs.electronicchicken.com/?page=More/avatar-gallery.xjs
I'm not sure that even an extra column or two would help much with that. Below certain dimensions, circles just don't work out too well, and rounded rectangles end up looking nicer.
Here's a fairly up-to-date look at available avatars in one place: https://bbs.electronicchicken.com/?page=More/avatar-gallery.xjs
In case you haven't encountered this, here's a talented artist who will take your money:
http://www.ansigarden.com/
I selected the guitar avatar from the 'Musical Stuff' collection. Seemed lik N>a decent avatar (and I like to play guitar from time to time). I've tried to N>draw a few avatars but I haven't really been too happy with my own avatars I' N>created.. I never have been much of an artist.
One doesn't see avatars in offline mail. :)
site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?As a kid, I was extremely surprised how many other "Captain Kirk"s there were around the BBS world. I thought I was being unique. :P
--Josh
There is no mechanism locking name across system.
much nowadays. It's what I call a "quality problem". :-)Nah, it's a feature !
Here's a fairly up-to-date look at available avatars in one place:
https://bbs.electronicchicken.com/?page=More/avatar-gallery.xjs
Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: echicken to DaiTengu on Thu Jan 25 2018 01:12 pm
I'm not sure that even an extra column or two would help much with that. Below certain dimensions, circles just don't work out too well, and rounded rectangles end up looking nicer.
True. I'm not sure if mine is showing up for you yet, it's a rough approximation of Deadpool's logo.
You need to cvs update your starwars.bin file though. :-)
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
@VIA: VERT/TBOLT
Tony,
One doesn't see avatars in offline mail. :)
Well, that leaves me out, then. <G> I prefer QWK Mail for message processing. But, considering I haven't had time to get the
implementation of that yet, I'm not overly concerned right now. In
short, too many other things outside the BBS to worry about.
there's really not enough squares to pull off something decent. i tried to do a hand with a middle finger and it didnt work out.
Lucky for us you suck as an ANSI artist?
Seriously though, have you checked out the collection over 150 avatars we have available for users? (you can preview some here if you can't be
bothered to install them yourself: http://wiki.synchro.net/module:avatars)
I think Kirman, echicken and myself have done pretty decent with those 60 "squares".
also they need to explain the specs when you choose upload .bin
At the top of the upload screen, it says "Your avatar must be 10x6 characters in size and saved in binary format", but I can see somebody missing that.
I think Pee Wee herman is still available as a handle.
But you don't want to get mixed up with a guy like him. He's a loner. A rebel. There are things about him you wouldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand.
ah, i didnt see it for some reason(DRUNK). now i do when i logged in.
Yup, got it here:
Look better in color of course.
Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: Digital Man to DaiTengu on Thu Jan 25 2018 07:29 pm
Yup, got it here:
Look better in color of course.
Nice! I just re-did it again. shrunk it down to center things a bit better, I'm much happier with it now.
Thanks for adding this! It's probably one of the coolest new features to come to BBS software in quite awhile!
In case you haven't encountered this, here's a talented artist who
will take your money:
http://www.ansigarden.com/
Yeah, I actually bought one of his menu packs at one point, but just never found the time to go build out a real menu from it. I believe he runs a couple of the ANSI facebook groups here and there.
Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: DaiTengu to echicken on Thu Jan 25 2018 01:49 pm
In case you haven't encountered this, here's a talented artist who
will take your money:
http://www.ansigarden.com/
Yeah, I actually bought one of his menu packs at one point, but just never found the time to go build out a real menu from it. I believe he runs a couple of the ANSI facebook groups here and there.
That's Enzo, and he runs Blocktronics. He also did the ANSI art for Shooter Jennings' two recent door games ("From Here to Eternity" and "Freedom Train").
I'm the same, I find offline mail easier, even with always on networking.
... People say I'm apathetic, but I don't care.
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
I'm the same, I find offline mail easier, even with always on networking.
You get time to work on a reply, and you're not tying up the node. Admittedly, when I logon to my BBS to do the mail, I shell out while I
run the QWK Mail, then log back on to upload the packet. If I was being deluged by legitmate callers (not bots), I'd logoff after each packet download.
If I do nothing else aside from the ham radio and weather data, or
the QWK Mail on the BBS, in a given day...to me, I've done the minimum needed. I'll do the other stuff later.
... People say I'm apathetic, but I don't care.
Or like the tagline below.
Daryl
---
þ OLX 1.53 þ Apathy Error: Strike any key...or none, for that matter.
In the BBS days, there was also the aspect of callers, we used to have quite V>few back then, so keeping the system free for callers was a good thing. In t V>latter days, OS/2 made it possible to simply use GoldEd while the system was V>up, which had a few more advantages.
Today, the BBSs run on a Banana Pi. Shelling to DOS is an anachronism that i V>simply not needed, one just switches to the other tasks on the system.
Haha I have a lot more other (non BBS) stuff to do, because I have interests V>that are not technology based. I'm out of town, have been since Friday for a V>track meet. Have picked up a few medals already. :)
The alternative action is "Don't bother hitting any key:. :D
From what I understand, the phone companies are converting analog to digital (VoIP)...like what MagicJack, etc. is already. So, I'm wondering
if it's even worth doing such.
The first multi-tasking I did was with DESQView from Quarterdeck
Software under DOS 5. I was using their QEMM Memory Manager as well. I
But you don't want to get mixed up with a guy like him. He's aloner. A
rebel. There are things about him you wouldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand.Maybe before 1991 to have the handle "pee wee herman" for a user
Maybe before 1991 to have the handle "pee wee herman" for a user
account.
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
When I ran dial-up, I could only afford one line. I'm considering reactivating that...not so much for dial-up fax access, but to have a
way to reach my elderly Mom, if the cell networks and internet goes down...as they usually do when bad weather (tornadoes or winter storms) occurs.
From what I understand, the phone companies are converting analog to digital (VoIP)...like what MagicJack, etc. is already. So, I'm
wondering if it's even worth doing such.
The first multi-tasking I did was with DESQView from Quarterdeck Software under DOS 5. I was using their QEMM Memory Manager as well. I
originally had to set up a slot called "Saturday Shell", where I'd
logon to the BBS from the local keyboard (the dial-up line got busied out), and I'd be able to answer mail, and do other Sysop
tasks...besides playing a few of the doors. Now, with telnet, you can
have up to 255 nodes, and while I still do the messages with QWK Mail,
I don't have to worry about the lines being tied up. I only have 4
nodes, but it's rare that all 4 had users on them at the same time.
Most of them have been bots, and I've been filling up the ip.can file
with IP addresses.
Haha I have a lot more other (non BBS) stuff to do, because I have interests
that are not technology based. I'm out of town, have been since Friday for
track meet. Have picked up a few medals already. :)
Congratulations.
The alternative action is "Don't bother hitting any key:. :D
That's only if you don't have an ANY key on your keyboard. :P
From what I understand, the phone companies are converting analog to DW>> digital (VoIP)...like what MagicJack, etc. is already. So, I'm wondering DW>> if it's even worth doing such.
Well, speaking as a person who has both (data = local cable company, voice
= magicjack ) the cable company VOIP seems to handle data pretty well.
The magicjack not so much. So, it may work just fine.
The first multi-tasking I did was with DESQView from Quarterdeck
Software under DOS 5. I was using their QEMM Memory Manager as well. I
Still my favorite. :)
I used the red and white theme with DESQview. :) I really liked the
QEMM utility myself.
I used QEMM too, and also dabbled with DESQView a bit. From what I remember, QEMM optimized memory better than Microsoft's own memmaker tool that was included with MS-DOS 6 and above. Also in the 90s, even though my BBS was only one line, I eventually used DESQView to set up my BBS in a 2-node setup so that I could log onto my BBS from node 2 (or do other stuff at the DOS prompt) while someone was using my BBS. I thought it worked fairly well.
The first multi-tasking I did was with DESQView from Quarterdeck Software under DOS 5. I was using their QEMM Memory Manager as well. I
Still my favorite. :)I used the red and white theme with DESQview. :) I really liked the
QEMM utility myself.
If you ran Desqview, you needed QEMM. When running just DOS, it seemed like QEMM could get you more memory but it wouldn't be anywhere near as stable.
Imagine telling your kids you spent hours trying to get an extra 20KB of memory...
Hawkeye wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Actually... QEMM386 was the reason I could solve a memory issue with a banking company running Novell Netware ELS II... I was able to use the videomem as extra memory for the basemem and they could run their own programmed application, which before they couldn't as the drivers of novell took too much memory. Thanks to my experience with my BBS
DV/QEMM I could solve this easily while other netware gurus looked as
me as a magician... hahaha.. good old times.
I'll have to check that and see. I've got the voice deal with Comcast,
but I rarely use it. The thing is, if my internet goes out, it's
useless. So, I want a line to contact my Mom if my internet or cellphone
goes out. That's why I'm considering the AT&T line...but the ONLY thing
I'll have on it is Caller ID -- no long distance.
I used the red and white theme with DESQview. :) I really liked the
QEMM utility myself.
I used QEMM too, and also dabbled with DESQView a bit. From what I remember, QEMM optimized memory better than Microsoft's own memmaker tool that was included with MS-DOS 6 and above.
Also in the 90s, even though my BBS was only
one line, I eventually used DESQView to set up my BBS in a 2-node setup so tha
I could log onto my BBS from node 2 (or do other stuff at the DOS prompt) whil
someone was using my BBS. I thought it worked fairly well.
Also in the 90s, even though my BBS was only
one line, I eventually used DESQView to set up my BBS in a 2-node
I never tried running two nodes under it, but I was able to read QWK mail or use a sysop online mail package while the board was up in another window. I got a lot out of my 386-40 with Desqview. Only thing that I did not like about it was that Simcity 2000 would not run under it. :)
Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Mon Jan 29 2018 06:08 pm
Also in the 90s, even though my BBS was only
one line, I eventually used DESQView to set up my BBS in a 2-node
I never tried running two nodes under it, but I was able to read QWK ma or use a sysop online mail package while the board was up in another window. I got a lot out of my 386-40 with Desqview. Only thing that I d not like about it was that Simcity 2000 would not run under it. :)
:) I played a lot of SimCity 2000 back in the day.. That was one of those games where I could lose track of time while playing it.
Nightfox
:) I played a lot of SimCity 2000 back in the day.. That was one of
those games where I could lose track of time while playing it.
I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on a modern computer and use it correctly :(
Thanks, won another 2 since I sent that message, bringing my total to 5 - 2 V>silver, 3 bronze. :)
The alternative action is "Don't bother hitting any key:. :D
That's only if you don't have an ANY key on your keyboard. :P
It's next to the other key. :P
That is the bad thing with the MagicJack. The local plant board's cable DW>phone usually keeps working even when the internet is out. I have only had DW>it go completely out (that I know of) when the power was out for a few DW>hours.
I found DV to be easier to work with than the versions of Windows that were DW>out at the same time. Really, probably easier than any MS-Windows I've DW>ever used. :)
þ SLMR 2.1a þ "Wanna give Honest Abe another term in the Oval Office?"
Imagine telling your kids you spent hours trying to get an extra 20KB of PF>memory...
Imagine telling your kids you spent hours trying to get an extra 20KB of memory...
I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on a modern computer and use it correctly :(
Bill Gates statement of "640K of RAM ought to be enough for anybody"
comes to mind. :P
I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on a
modern computer and use it correctly :(
The Amiga version runs great in emulators. Much better platform than trying to get DOS or Win95 working...
:) I played a lot of SimCity 2000 back in the day.. That was one of those games where I could lose track of time while playing it.
Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: Daryl Stout to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Tue Jan 30 2018 10:26 am
Bill Gates statement of "640K of RAM ought to be enough for anybody" comes to mind. :P
People often attribute that to Bill Gates, but from what I've heard, he probably didn't actually say that.
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
Like the [insert desired ethnicity here] did...won gold and silver medals, and went right out to get them bronzed. :P
That's only if you don't have an ANY key on your keyboard. :P
It's next to the other key. :P
I'm sorry I said ANYthing now. <G>
Hawkeye wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Imagine telling your kids you spent hours trying to get an extra 20KB of memory...
exactly.... old but precious memories...
I played the DOS & Win95 versions of SimCity 2000. I'm curious now what
was different in the Amiga version.
Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: Ljayo1 to Nightfox on Tue Jan 30 2018 11:07 am
:) I played a lot of SimCity 2000 back in the day.. That was one of
those games where I could lose track of time while playing it.
I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on a mod computer and use it correctly :(
Not sure what you mean - You shouldn't have to use emulation to run it. I'v played SimCity 2000 on Windows 10, although there are also newer versions of SimCity that I would expect to run without a problem.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Nightfox??Nice tip!! I will try this!
By: Ljayo1 to Nightfox on Tue Jan 30 2018 11:07:13
I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on a moder computer and use it correctly :(
The Amiga version runs great in emulators. Much better platform than trying get DOS or Win95 working...
Marisa
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Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
Like the [insert desired ethnicity here] did...won gold and silver medals, and went right out to get them bronzed. :P
Oh dear. :P Did you mean to say "American"? :P
That's only if you don't have an ANY key on your keyboard. :P
It's next to the other key. :P
I'm sorry I said ANYthing now. <G>
Hahaha. :P
:) I played a lot of SimCity 2000 back in the day.. That was one of
those games where I could lose track of time while playing it.
I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on a computer and use it correctly :(
Not sure what you mean - You shouldn't have to use emulation to run it. played SimCity 2000 on Windows 10, although there are also newer versions SimCity that I would expect to run without a problem.
I have had issues in older versions of windows. However, i am a Mac user now so finding the software to run it can be an issue. I will surely try windows again with SimCity!. I first played 3000 and was hooked.
Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: Ljayo1 to Nightfox on Wed Jan 31 2018 13:35:27
:) I played a lot of SimCity 2000 back in the day.. That was one
those games where I could lose track of time while playing it.
I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on computer and use it correctly :(
Not sure what you mean - You shouldn't have to use emulation to run it played SimCity 2000 on Windows 10, although there are also newer versi SimCity that I would expect to run without a problem.
I have had issues in older versions of windows. However, i am a Mac user so finding the software to run it can be an issue. I will surely try wind again with SimCity!. I first played 3000 and was hooked.
I miss playing SimCity 3000 Unlimited! That was my first SimCity as well, an lost a copy during a move. I tried to get another copy (a friend found a cop and loaned it to me to try to get it runnining on Windows 7, and would pay h if I was able to), couldn't get it to run on Windows 7 or in a VM with Windo XP and 2D/3D accelartion enabled; ended up giving it back. I have SimCity 4 that I got on Steam, but it's not the same. It's fun, but harder to play.
You might have tried this already, but have you tried running the MS-DOS version of SimCity 2000 in DOSBox (I think DOSBox is available on the Mac)? tried the demo version, but I haven't figured out how to get it running.
-jag
Code it, Script it, Automate it!
... It dun wurk!
You might have tried this already, but have you tried running the MS-DOS version of SimCity 2000 in DOSBox (I think DOSBox is available on the Mac)? I tried the demo version, but I haven't figured out how to get it running.
Mainly that the emulation is better/easier to get going...
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
Oh dear. :P Did you mean to say "American"? :P
How about "blonde??". <G>
Never mind the old ANSI bombs that would re-map your keyboard. :P
PKWARE had a TSR, PKSFANSI, to prevent these ANSI bombs from doing
their dirty deed. I have it online for download.
Never mind the old ANSI bombs that would re-map your keyboard. :P
PKWARE had a TSR, PKSFANSI, to prevent these ANSI bombs from doing
their dirty deed. I have it online for download.
Never encountered one of those, though I did use a safe ANSI TSR for most of my BBSing days.
Are you saying the emulation for the Amiga version is easier to get going? And
easier than what? There is a Windows-native version of SimCity 2000, so if you
wanted to play it on Windows, one could just use the Windows version.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't remember ever hearing about that happening back in the day, and
I didn't know of an ANSI TSR to protect against that.. Perhaps I was lucky and never had that happen to me.
There is a Windows 95 version of SimCity 2000 as well. That one might be N>easier to get running on a Mac. You should be able to run it inside Windows N>via Boot Camp or a VM (with Parallels, VMWare, VirtualBox, etc.). The only N>thing is that although the Win95 version is 32-bit, its installer is 16-bit, N>you may have to use a 32-bit Windows in order for it to work. I made my own N>custom installer for SimCity 2000 once so that I could install it in a 64-bit N>Windows (which can't run 16-bit applications)..
There is a Windows 95 version of SimCity 2000 as well. That one might
I think there was actually one for the Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100 laptop.
There is a Windows 95 version of SimCity 2000 as well. That one might be N>easier to get running on a Mac. You should be able to run it inside Windows N>via Boot Camp or a VM (with Parallels, VMWare, VirtualBox, etc.). The only N>thing is that although the Win95 version is 32-bit, its installer is 16-bit, N>you may have to use a 32-bit Windows in order for it to work. I made my own N>custom installer for SimCity 2000 once so that I could install it in a 64-bit N>Windows (which can't run 16-bit applications)..
Actually... QEMM386 was the reason I could solve a memory issue with a banking company running Novell Netware ELS II... I was able to use the videomem as extra memory for the basemem and they could run their own programmed application, which before they couldn't as the drivers of novell took too much memory. Thanks to my experience with my BBS DV/QEMM I could solve this easily while other netware gurus looked as me as a magician... hahaha.. good old times.
I never tried running two nodes under it, but I was able to read QWK mail or use a sysop online mail package while the board was up in another window. I got a lot out of my 386-40 with Desqview. Only thing that I did
Those AMD 386/40 chips were impressive. They felt faster than the Intel 386s and just a step below an entry-level 486.
Those AMD 386/40 chips were impressive. They felt faster than the Intel 386s and just a step below an entry-level 486.
Good times. QEMM, Deskview, and Borland Sidekick was my main platform before I discovered OS/2. Spent lots of time running the optimizer and celebrating having an extra 14K... This was before doing the same thing with OS/2 to optimize bootups. :)exactly.... qemm and later os2.. needed uart 16550A for 14k4+ speeds on multiple nodes... os2 was amazing. also the support. real competent IT profs and not like now trained telephone monkeys.
Hawkeye wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
exactly.... qemm and later os2.. needed uart 16550A for 14k4+ speeds on multiple nodes... os2 was amazing. also the support. real competent IT profs and not like now trained telephone monkeys.
sadly win95 support never came.... and os2 lost...
It was the lack of Win32 support that killed OS/2 for me too. There was a lack of native apps (Most weren't porting to OS/2 by then), and the world was moving on. :( By this time, the light at the end of the tunnel was
... I distinctly remember forgetting that.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've heard that OS/2's support of Windows apps may have actually contributed to the death of OS/2. At the time, Windows was gaining popularity, and many developers thought they might as well write their applications for Windows, since it would run in Windows and OS/2's
Windows compatibility layer. So Windows users happily got their
Windows applications, which allowed Windows to continue to take off,
and OS/2 didn't get as many native apps as it possibly could have.
Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
I was still using it when Pentium 2's or 3's came out. I finally had
to move on to a Pentium because I wanted to try out linux with
xwindows. The 386 could handle a text-only slackware install of the
time, but I needed something with more power (and probably better
video) for x.
Nightfox wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
Bill Gates statement of "640K of RAM ought to be enough for anybody"
comes to mind. :P
People often attribute that to Bill Gates, but from what I've heard, he probably didn't actually say that.
One of my techs back then took an old 386 with 2 megs of RAM and installed Linux on it -- he had to recompile the kernel to support the 3c509 ethernet cards we used. Recompiling took 2 and a half days. :)
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Tony,
... I distinctly remember forgetting that.
Q. What do we want??
A. Better memory!!
Q. When do we want it??
A: Want want??!! <G>
Daryl
One of my techs back then took an old 386 with 2 megs of RAM and installed Linux on it -- he had to recompile the kernel to support the 3c509 ethernet cards we used. Recompiling took 2 and a half days. :)
floppies and recompiling the kernel for 3c509 ethernet cards. We had a PC in our apartment that my roommates and I had assembled from literal trash rescued from a dumpster that we configured to act as a NAT router for our first-in-the-neighborhood cable modem.
It was the lack of Win32 support that killed OS/2 for me too. There was a lack of native apps (Most weren't porting to OS/2 by then), and the world was moving on. :( By this time, the light at the end of the tunnel was Linux, which rapidly proved to be a capable server OS that I could depend on. Today, I use Linux for all of my server functions (including BBSs).
I've heard that OS/2's support of Windows apps may have actually contributed to the death of OS/2. At the time, Windows was gaining popularity, and many developers thought they might as well write their applications for Windows, since it would run in Windows and OS/2's Windows compatibility layer. So Windows users happily got their Windows applications, which allowed Windows to continue to take off, and OS/2 didn't get as many native apps as it possibly could have.
One of my techs back then took an old 386 with 2 megs of RAM and installed Linux on it -- he had to recompile the kernel to support the 3c509 ethernet cards we used. Recompiling took 2 and a half days. :)
I remember trying out Linux back in those days (mid 90s) when you had to recompile the kernel to add/remove drivers.. There was a kernel config program with a long list of questions of what support & drivers youSlackware -- The original Linux!
wanted in the kernel (and if you made a mistake, you had to quit and restart it). Years later (around 2004), I was trying out Gentoo Linux, which let you compile everything as it was installed, and I remember things like Gnome and OpenOffice taking hours to compile. I'd let that
go overnight and sometimes it was still finishing up compiling in the morning when I woke up.
Years later (around 2004), I was trying out Gentoo Linux, which let you compile everything as it was installed, and I remember things like Gnome and OpenOffice taking hours to compile. I'd let that go overnight and sometimes it was still finishing up compiling in the morning when I woke up.
What I've noticed in that era that companies wanted Windows application and Microsoft and IBM got into a license disagreement which resulted in not working together anymore IBM with Windows NT and Microsoft on OS/2...
Here in home we run almost any OS available... iOS9/11, MacOS 10.13, Windows 10 Pro, Windows Server 2016, Debian 9, Ubuntu 16.04/17.10, Android 7.0.1, EdgeOS and I'm sure I forgot some :)
I like to see the cons and pros of every OS...
Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think because we know all this we can use ANY OS for any function...
I remember as a consultant lots of competition were not able to think
and choose other brands as the certification was able to do... I love
to mix. Here in home we run almost any OS available... iOS9/11, MacOS 10.13, Windows 10 Pro, Windows Server 2016, Debian 9, Ubuntu
16.04/17.10, Android 7.0.1, EdgeOS and I'm sure I forgot some :)
I like to see the cons and pros of every OS...
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
One of my techs back then took an old 386 with 2 megs of RAM and
installed Linux on it -- he had to recompile the kernel to support the 3c509 ethernet cards we used. Recompiling took 2 and a half days. :)
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
Ken Olsen did confirm that he thought the market for home PCs would max out at a few dozen.
Deusx wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Holy crap - I just had like a major memory flashback about that. I
totally remember installing Slackware Linux from like a foot-high stack
of floppies and recompiling the kernel for 3c509 ethernet cards. We had
a PC in our apartment that my roommates and I had assembled from
literal trash rescued from a dumpster that we configured to act as a
NAT router for our first-in-the-neighborhood cable modem.
Nightfox wrote to Deusx <=-
That's cool. Back in the day, I thought it would have been fun to
build a PC to use as a router, but then I felt like you could buy a
router that took up a lot less space and probably used less power for within $100-$200 or so, and I thought that was worth it for a router.
Hawkeye wrote to Nightfox <=-
What I've noticed in that era that companies wanted Windows application and Microsoft and IBM got into a license disagreement which resulted in not working together anymore IBM with Windows NT and Microsoft on
OS/2... It was sad, as OS/2 was way better then NT on that moment...
the multitasking performance of OS/2 was like finally having a PC with Amiga-like multitasking :)
Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
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One of my techs back then took an old 386 with 2 megs of RAM and installed Linux on it -- he had to recompile the kernel to support the 3c509 ethernet cards we used. Recompiling took 2 and a half days. :)
:o Glad I never tried that. :)
Deusx wrote to Nightfox <=-
Kind of like the old days when I would download software from BBSes at 2400 baud. Except in this case you have all the pieces and just have to wait for the computer to put them together :)
I tried making Your Q. A.'s as a Tagline, Thanks, 73 de Ed W9ODR . .
... Q.What do we want? A.Better memory!! Q.When do we want it?? A.Want what?
That's cool. Back in the day, I thought it would have been fun to build a PC N>to use as a router, but then I felt like you could buy a router that took up N>lot less space and probably used less power for within $100-$200 or so, and I N>thought that was worth it for a router.
That's cool. Back in the day, I thought it would have been fun to build a PC to use as a router, but then I felt like you could buy a router that took up a lot less space and probably used less power for within $100-$200 or so, and I thought that was worth it for a router.
Nah, never had the online credits from other BBSs, but I did kick off overnight FTP downloads on packet radio. :D Zmodem was a godsend though, at least one could resume file downloads. ;)
:o Glad I never tried that. :)
And in those days, kernel modules didn't exist, so every time you wanted to change your drivers, you had to recompile the kernel. ;)
That's cool. Back in the day, I thought it would have been fun to build a PC >to use as a router, but then I felt like you could buy a router that took up a >lot less space and probably used less power for within $100-$200 or so, and I >thought that was worth it for a router.
It was the reverse, IBM went on to keep developing OS/2 and Microsoft developed Windows NT.
I was often like that as well. In the 90s, for a while I had a multi-boot setup on my PC with Windows, Linux, OS/2, and BeOS.. With OS/2 going away, at the time I thought BeOS looked promising, as it was fairly polished and multi-tasked very well. Unfortunately BeOS wasn't successful in the market, although since then I've seen HaikuOS, which is an open-source clone of BeOS.
to mix. Here in home we run almost any OS available... iOS9/11, MacOS 10.13, Windows 10 Pro, Windows Server 2016, Debian 9, Ubuntu 16.04/17.10, Android 7.0.1, EdgeOS and I'm sure I forgot some :)I have a fairly heterogenous network here too. No MacOS at this point in time, but I used to run OS X 10.6, until the MacBook dies. Currently have Windows XP, 7 and 10, Linux Mint, Debian (6, 7 and 9), Raspian 7, and iOS and Android, at least. :)
Deusx wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I want to say I once totally ticked off a whole series of sysops on
BBSes hosting FidoNet - because I figured out how to do FTP-by-email
over a FidoNet email address. Kind of got around the download credits problem but tied up a bunch of packet transfers when I requested some Amiga software
Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-
I remember doing that at least once on a P-133 or 166 machine... it
seemed to take all day on that one. I also remember the CLI utility
that someone mentioned where you had to start over if you picked
something wrong.
Was glad when I did not have to do any of that any more. :)
Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I like to test and my wife has an iPhone so I told her an iMac in the living would not be bad ;) she bought it... i bought it second hand and replaced the hdd with a 500 GB SSD... nice looking and fast and not
that expensive.
95% customers here ask Windows/VMware combos.
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Ed,
I tried making Your Q. A.'s as a Tagline, Thanks, 73 de Ed W9ODR . .
... Q.What do we want? A.Better memory!! Q.When do we want it?? A.Want what
I'll have to see if I can do that. The one bad thing about OLX is that
it has smaller tagline size limits. But, with all the problems I've had
with Multi-Mail, I'm just using OLX, as I've got to have my QWK Mail
fix. :P
You could try SLMR. It's my reader of choice, now and in years gone by.
I've heard that too, but in reality, many Windows apps would not run on OS/2 (or NT for that matter), because they made use of VXDs, which are fundamentally incompatible with those OSs. I can't recall if Win32S was supported by OS/2, whih was also increasingly used at the time in Windows 3.x.
Totally have "3c509" burned into my brain after all that
That's cool. Back in the day, I thought it would have been fun to build a PC to use as a router, but then I felt like you could buy a router that took up a lot less space and probably used less power for within $100-$200 or so, and I thought that was worth it for a router.
I still loved running console apps - I had 2 BBS nodes running Maximus, Binkleyterm and TimED, all native apps. Qedit for OS/2, and Minicom, an OS/2 comm app ran like a charm on a 486. I ran DOS windows with specific versions of DOS to run Lantastic networking with a DOS box, and it all worked when Windows3.11 would barely do a fraction of that.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Getting the windows subsystem to work in OS/2 was a pain in the ass. At
one point they had parity, with browsers and Microsoft office apps that ran natively, but after a while the OS/2 apps suite looked like a bunch
of also-rans. Remember Lotus Symphony? Remember trying to share office docs with Microsoft Office?
I still loved running console apps - I had 2 BBS nodes running Maximus, Binkleyterm and TimED, all native apps. Qedit for OS/2, and Minicom, an OS/2 comm app ran like a charm on a 486. I ran DOS windows with
specific versions of DOS to run Lantastic networking with a DOS box,
and it all worked when Windows3.11 would barely do a fraction of that.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Deusx <=-
I kept a stash of 3c509s around when I'd turn boxes into routers - use
the 3c509 in an ISA slot for the WAN port, since you didn't need the speed, and use a PCI network card for the LAN.
Quoting Nightfox to Poindexter Fortran <=-
I've heard people (IBM?) say OS/2 was supposed to be a "better DOS
than DOS".
IT departments, mostly onsite some remote locations for insurance/law reasons. Infrastructure projects mostly.95% customers here ask Windows/VMware combos.For what sort of setup? Desktop? VPS?
comm app ran like a charm on a 486. I ran DOS windows with specific versions of DOS to run Lantastic networking with a DOS box, and it all worked when Windows3.11 would barely do a fraction of that.
You could try SLMR. It's my reader of choice, now and in years gone by.
I've heard people (IBM?) say OS/2 was supposed to be a "better DOS than DOS".
Yeah, console and DOS apps were great under OS/2.
Things have changed nowadays, even the WAN port needs speed (minimum 100 Mbps here). :)
Amiga lost because of the custom chips which were too expensive compared to the IBM PC/clones solutions. Now look at Apple.... introducing something new (ahum) custom chips for handling face recognition on the iPhone and some custom chips are also comming to iMac etc...
Re: Tagline Thief Re: Nightfo
By: Gamgee to DARYL STOUT on Sun Feb 18 2018 02:30 pm
You could try SLMR. It's my reader of choice, now and in years gone by.
There's another DOS reader called OFFLINE that works pretty well, is a little prettier than SLMR, and it's free - BBS file areas normally have it.
Qedit for OS/2 was my favorite editor of all time, and it ran like a charm in Windows 2K. Qedit for DOS under XP was jumpy and laggy.
Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
IT departments, mostly onsite some remote locations for insurance/law reasons. Infrastructure projects mostly.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, console and DOS apps were great under OS/2.
They were great on Windows 2000, too. One little-known feature was that W2K would run OS/2 console apps. They took that subsystem out in
Windows XP.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
They sure have. My DSL line was 384k/128k, later upgraded to 1.5m/128k. Now Comcast has upgraded me to 250m/30m..
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
OS/2 ran out of gas for me trying to get TCP/IP and IPX/SPX working at
the same time. We were a Novell shop and added an internet connection.
To get IP working, I resorted to adding a second NIC, using an ethernet hub, and binding IPX to one card and IP to the other.
I used to use the DOS Qedit in actual DOS, and I liked it.
I am using it to respond to this message right now. :) It runs fine under dosemu and DOSBOX. I don't use it to edit any linux config files, though. It will goof those up, but it works just fine with "DOS" text.
I have to agree, back when I ran OS/2, I used to use Ray Guinn's SIO drivers, with Vmodem included to allow my DOS applications to run over the internet. Just use ATDT vert.synchro.net eg. to dial up Vertraun using telix, or procomm, or whatever your favorite DOS term program is. And you can use settings for Hi-memory, Xms, etc. via a pulldown box setting...I've heard people (IBM?) say OS/2 was supposed to be a "better DOSit was better than DOS for running DOS apps. Many OS/2 sysops said the same thing.
than DOS".
That was their tagline - "A better DOS than DOS, a better Windows than Windows". I can't vouch for Windows, but for console apps OS/2 rocked. OS/2 console apps could run and multitask MUCH better than DOS apps under Windows, and you could create a Virtual DOS Machine (VDM) to run a specific version of DOS or driver set in that window only.I used to love using Family Mode apps in OS/2, you could run them in a DOS VDM as a DOS application, or in OS/2 as an OS/2 application! I used to have the tools to create family mode apps using Borland Pascal / DOS with the appropriate patches setup. Sadly, I no longer have the disk, or the disk drive.
I used to use the DOS Qedit in actual DOS, and I liked it.
I am using it to respond to this message right now. :) It runs fine under dosemu and DOSBOX. I don't use it to edit any linux config files, though. It will goof those up, but it works just fine with "DOS" text.
OS/2 netwoking got interesting to setup, though I only had to worry about running IP and some form of Windows networking. There were some issues, but I was generally able to share files.
John Guillory wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I have to agree, back when I ran OS/2, I used to use Ray Guinn's
SIO drivers, with Vmodem included to allow my DOS applications to run
over the internet. Just use ATDT vert.synchro.net eg. to dial up
Vertraun using telix, or procomm, or whatever your favorite DOS term program is. And you can use settings for Hi-memory, Xms, etc. via a pulldown box setting...
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
A few years ago, I set up OS/2 in a VM, and I was surprised that it had
to reboot in order to change the IP addres.. Modern operating systems don't have to reboot for that.
And OS/2 was such a solid multitasker for DOS apps. Rock solid and excellent performance.
I use mcedit most of the time and it's save as feature lets me chose how to save the file.. Nano can also save files in either format.
How do you quote messages with Qedit?
And I imagine it probably saves with DOS line endings (CR+LF), and Linux software typically assumes only one character (CR?) at the end of the line.
I have to agree, back when I ran OS/2, I used to use Ray Guinn's SIO
drivers, with Vmodem included to allow my DOS applications to run over the >internet. Just use ATDT vert.synchro.net eg. to dial up Vertraun using telix, >or procomm, or whatever your favorite DOS term program is. And you can use >settings for Hi-memory, Xms, etc. via a pulldown box setting...
ispyhumanfly wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Back around 96 or so is when I started playing with OS/2 Warp. I loved
it. Though I never ran my BBS on it (used Deskview/X), it was my
favorite graphical multi-tasking environment of the time. I wouldn't disover the X Windows system until a few years later.
I only use X on desktops, for the convenience of a GUI for general work. For just multitasking on a server (like a BBS), I just run headless in text mode. )
ispyhumanfly wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah now days it's straight linux using a screen session so I can
monitor the service remotely or restore the session at anytime. Works
like a champ for me.
honestly didn't think I was missing much back home with the 386/40.
I was still using it when Pentium 2's or 3's came out. I finally had to move on to a Pentium because I wanted to try out linux with xwindows. The 386 could handle a text-only slackware install of the time, but I needed something with more power (and probably better video) for x.
that W2K would run OS/2 console apps. They took that subsystem out in
Windows XP.
I knew it was there, but never got around to trying it out.
OS/2 netwoking got interesting to setup, though I only had to worry about running IP and some form of Windows networking. There were some issues, but I was generally able to share files.
On 07-11-18 16:48, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Qedit/2 was my text editor of choice for years when I ran OS/2. the DOS version was pokey under Windows, Qedit/2 ran like a charm.
On 07-11-18 16:51, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Back then, I was running Netware over 802.3, IP on Ethernet II frames,
and Apple networking on 802.3_SNAP. There was a lot of traffic on the wire...
Adding OS/2 to the mix made it even more complicated.
Qedit/2 was my text editor of choice for years when I ran OS/2. the DOS version was pokey under Windows, Qedit/2 ran like a charm.
MINIX pre-dated Linux by a couple of years, and ran on amazingly tiny hardware. I ran a caching DNS server and mail host on a 286 with 3 megs
of RAM at my office.
MINIX/386 included a virtual memory manager, XWindows and TWM, and ran nicely on my 386/40.
Hmmm, if I ever get free time, I might want to dust the 386/40 off and see what I can do with that!
Back then, I was running Netware over 802.3, IP on Ethernet II frames, and Apple networking on 802.3_SNAP. There was a lot of traffic on the wire...
Adding OS/2 to the mix made it even more complicated.
On 07-13-18 09:29, Nightfox wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
From what I remember, I think AMD was the only company I knew of to
make a 386DX-40. Intel stopped making the 386 at 33mhz, I believe. I
had a 386DX-40 system for a little while and thought it was pretty
cool.
On 07-13-18 19:47, Hawkeye wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Dont forget Windows was trying to force NetBEUI as their protocol, but being something different as IBM NetBIOS for tokenring.
NetBEUI but also IPX/SPX were the worst to try to diagnose.
Actually I think Microsoft seeing TCPIP as primary protocol in their
new NT OS was the dead penalty for Netware Novell sticking to IPX/SPX. Later on the also got TCPIP support but too late IMHO. Customers were screaming for mail and groupware tcp/ip support too long.
Hmmm, if I ever get free time, I might want to dust the 386/40 off and see >DW> what I can do with that!From what I remember, I think AMD was the only company I knew of to make a 386DX-40. Intel stopped making the 386 at 33mhz, I believe. I had a 386DX-40
system for a little while and thought it was pretty cool.
That is also my recollection. IIRC, the DX-40 was just "as fast" as some
of the 486SX machines that Intel put out.
I really liked mine and would still be using it if DOS and Desqview met all of my needs. :)
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
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On 07-11-18 16:51, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Back then, I was running Netware over 802.3, IP on Ethernet II frames,
and Apple networking on 802.3_SNAP. There was a lot of traffic on the wire...
I had no LAN back then, the only internal connection was a 19.2k serial link between my PC and a friend's Microbee Z80 machine, which was occasionally used to transfer files.
I first setup a LAN a few years later, inisially running NetBEUI, then when I got Linux running as an IP router, I added IP to all machines (except in DOS). I had OS/2 by then, and more or less had some form of file sharing working, though protocol differences complicated matters. Pure IP networking, OTOH, worked fine.
I never ran Netware at home, but I did use it for a while at work.
Solid system, except the protocol was really fragile when someone upset the phyical network. :)
Adding OS/2 to the mix made it even more complicated.
Haha yep. :) For me, getting Windows 95/98, OS/2 and Linux to
cooperate with file sharing was a black art! :D Windows and OS/2
worked fine over NetBEUI, but Samba on Linux only spoke IP, which
Windows was fine with, but OS/2 found more problematic, from memory.
Yep, fun days. :D
On 07-14-18 21:55, Jazzy_J wrote to Vk3jed <=-
My big trick was to get Apple System 7.x and 8.x to talk to
Microsoft filesharing. The 9.x systems didn't have any data on them.
I worked at a research facility where all the old data was on Macs and none of them worked. I ended up having to refurbish them to get them
to work, then find network cards that would talk then establish a
workable protocol.
Finally, transfer the data. That was incredible. I've never seen so
many happy PhD. types when I told them their data was recovered and
being moved to the servers.
I think I slept for a month after that.
I remember tweaking IPX/SPX on Windows servers. And the RIP like routing protocol IPX/SPX used. Dim recollections now! :) But IPX/SPX was easier to
That is also my recollection. IIRC, the DX-40 was just "as fast" as some
of the 486SX machines that Intel put out.
I really liked mine and would still be using it if DOS and Desqview met all of my needs. :)
On 07-15-18 13:42, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I remember tweaking IPX/SPX on Windows servers. And the RIP like routing protocol IPX/SPX used. Dim recollections now! :) But IPX/SPX was easier to
Yeah, sometimes better to use the Microsoft Client for Netware and sometimes the Netware Client...
On 07-15-18 13:46, Hawkeye wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Yeah nice times.... 486SX-25... later on the 486-DX2 50mhz and the 486-DX... DV was a very good program. I loved it a lot till OS/2 began
to run better with more CPU and RAM.
I'm sure Intel didn't make 40 MHz 386's. I agree, I think AMD did. Cyrix was also around at that time, IIRC.
pretty sure the 486sx 25mhz. atleast mine was.
They made them in different speeds, from what I remember. For the 486, "sx" meant it didn't have an integrated math co-processor, and the 486 DX had the integrated math co-processor.
On 07-16-18 09:23, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I seem to remember Cyrix making math co-processors around that time. I don't remember if they made their own CPUs yet, but I remember seeing Cyrix CPUs on the market from the mid 90s to around 2000 or so.
Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sat Jul 14 2018 10:03 am
pretty sure the 486sx 25mhz. atleast mine was.
They made them in different speeds, from what I remember. For the 486, "sx" meant it didn't have an integrated math co-processor, and the 486 DX had the integrated math co-processor.
On DOS, we used the Netware client, on Windows, I think we used the Microsoft client for Netware. :)
I seem to remember Cyrix making math co-processors around that time. I don't remember if they made their own CPUs yet, but I remember seeing Cyrix CPUs on the market from the mid 90s to around 2000 or so.
They made them in different speeds, from what I remember. For the 486, "sx" meant it didn't have an integrated math co-processor, and the 486 DX had the integrated math co-processor.
I seem to remember Cyrix making math co-processors around that time.
I don't remember if they made their own CPUs yet, but I remember
seeing Cyrix CPUs on the market from the mid 90s to around 2000 or so.
I dont recall neither... but we had a lot of brands to choose from in the late 80 and begin 90s... NEC, Motorola, etc...
486, "sx" meant it didn't have an integrated math co-processor, and
the 486 DX had the integrated math co-processor.
Correct and the DX has internal and external speeds the same while the DX2 had the half external speeds. (DX2-50 Mhz was external 25mhz -> so memory was running in half speed)
On 07-16-18 19:43, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: Vk3jed to Hawkeye on Mon Jul 16 2018 07:40:00
On DOS, we used the Netware client, on Windows, I think we used the Microsoft client for Netware. :)
On Windows 95 the Netware client had earlier LFN support than the Microsoft client, which was important for roaming profiles. Users got abbreviated start menu items and didnt know why this happened, was the lack of good LFN support in Microsoft Client for Netware. NT didnt have this issue so users were blaming Netware.... netware showed it wasnt because their client worked fine... damage already done. An important
one I think in that era.
I dont recall neither... but we had a lot of brands to choose from in the late 80 and begin 90s... NEC, Motorola, etc...
I imagine Motorola kept on making their 68k processors, and I think IBM probably still makes PowerPC processors (I believe the Nintendo Wii used a PowerPC, and maybe also the Wii U also?).
Remember when Windows NT ran on MIPS RISC chips? I had a friend who ran a DEC alpha running Windows NT 4.0 as a web server for years. Quite an oddball system, it seems it, Silicon Graphics, Sun, and a ton of other systems were railroaded when Intel CPUs gained enough horsepower that you could brute-force any result with enough cores.
Googling it, I didn't realize Intel made a 486DX4 processor that ran at 100 mhz!
On 07-17-18 09:11, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I remember hearing about Windows NT being made for other processors.
There used to be an Egghead Software in my area, and I remember them having a DEC system running Windows NT at one point.
On 07-17-18 09:13, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Googling it, I didn't realize Intel made a 486DX4 processor that ran at 100 mhz!
Yeah, I think that may have been Intel's top-end 486. I always thought
it was odd that they had the CPU running that fast with the external
bus speed only 1/4 of that, running at 25mhz, when in previous years
Intel had a 386 running at 33mhz both in the chip and external to the chip..
I remember hearing about Windows NT being made for other processors. There used to be an Egghead Software in my area, and I remember them having a DEC system running Windows NT at one point.
They made them in different speeds, from what I remember. For the 486, "sx" meant it didn't have an integrated math co-processor, and the 486 DX had the integrated math co-processor.
Before I moved on from the 486, the fastest 486 I had was an AMD 486DX4-133.
I imagine Motorola kept on making their 68k processors, and I think IBM probably still makes PowerPC processors (I believe the Nintendo Wii used a PowerPC, and maybe also the Wii U also?).
These days, ARM is a fairly big player (they don't actually make the processors, they design processors and license the designs to other companies). The Qualcomm Snapdragon and Nvidia Tegra (both used in mobile devices) use ARM processor cores.
Being in the industry back then, I was well aware that NT was available for a number of processors, though never saw that in the wild. I normally only worked with x86 architecture, plus occasionally whatever Apple was using at the time (M68k, PowerPC, Intel). Today is probably the most I've used a non x86(64) architecture (ARM on the Pi) since the days when I used Apple // (6502) and CP/M (Z80). :)
Googling it, I didn't realize Intel made a 486DX4 processor that ran
at 100 mhz!
Yeah, I think that may have been Intel's top-end 486. I always
thought
Yes, I had one, that was my last 486 processor, before I upgraded to a Pentium 90.
The start of different clock rates internal and external. Nowadays common practice. :)
I had a friend running that DEC Alpha with a MIPS chip, running Windows NT, and another friend running an IBM RS/6000 running AI/X for years.
I'd love to run an internet node on an old Sun, like a Sparcstation LX or something. I miss old hardware... :)
Before I moved on from the 486, the fastest 486 I had was an AMD
486DX4-133.
I forget about that since now! My friend had a DX50, I had a DX2-50 and later on I had a DX4-100... OMG... I actually forgot I had that one... thanks for training my memory :)
They made them in different speeds, from what I remember. For the
486, "sx" meant it didn't have an integrated math co-processor, and
the 486 DX had the integrated math co-processor.
A lot of memory in that era was 4 or 8 MB ? ;)
On 07-17-18 19:33, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
A lot of devices these days (including my smartphone) use an ARM-based processor, but it seems like most other computing devices use an x86 processor. It seems like there aren't as many different types of processors in use as there used to be.
If Windows for non-x86 processors continued to be supported and Windows PCs these days used several different types of processors, I imagine
there would be confusion on which software can run on peoples' systems.
It might be similar to how it has been done on Android and on Mac OS X
in the past, where an application package could include binaries for multiple supported platforms, or separate packages available for each supported platform. Android apps can have components (such as
libraries) compiled to native code using C++, and I've seen Android
apps bundled with native components for both ARM and x86 (when x86
Androdi devices were available), and I heard that starting with Android 5.0 (I think), Android apps in the app store can be made available separately for each supported platform so that they don't take up so
much space. And I remember when Apple switched from PowerPC to Intel,
OS X included a PowerPC emulator so it could run PowerPC apps on Intel, and OS X apps could also include both PowerPC and Intel binaries in the same package. I heard Apple did something similar when they switched
from the Motorola 68k to PowerPC (they had the "fat binaries" which had native binaries for both processors).
On 07-17-18 19:35, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes, I had one, that was my last 486 processor, before I upgraded to a Pentium 90.
Yeah, they don't really make a point about that anymore because it's
just how PCs work these days.
I certainly remember the "universal binaries"for OS X that were around when Apple switched to Intel processors. Wasn't aware of x86 Android. I've only ever used it on ARM (or in emulation).
On 07-18-18 09:31, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Intel was trying to get into the mobile market several years ago.
There were only a few x86 Android devices I knew of. If you run an Android emulator on your PC, I believe there are still x86-based
Android emulators (as opposed to the ones that do the full ARM
emulation), and the x86-based Android emulators should run quite a bit faster on a PC (assuming the PC has an x86 processor, of course). They use HAXM (Intel Hardware Accelerated Execution Manager): https://intel.ly/2xPnKzS https://intel.ly/2O1RKh9
I'd love to run an internet node on an old Sun, like a Sparcstation LX or something. I miss old hardware... :)
Yes, I had one, that was my last 486 processor, before I upgraded to a Pentium 90.Going from a 100mhz 486 to a 90mhz Pentium, 10mhz lower, would have seemed a bit weird to me, but I suppose the 90mhz Pentium was probably still faster than the 100mhz 486 in many areas.
don't think even the DX-50 was all that common, from what I remember.
Yeah, I remember a lot of PCs in that time having around 4MB or 8MB. In the early 90s, up until around 1994 I think, I remember when RAM was around $100 per megabyte. I thought it was great when I started to see RAM prices fall quite a bit and 16MB or even 32MB of RAM became affordable fairly quickly.
emulation), and the x86-based Android emulators should run quite a
bit faster on a PC (assuming the PC has an x86 processor, of
course). They use HAXM (Intel Hardware Accelerated Execution
Manager): https://intel.ly/2xPnKzS https://intel.ly/2O1RKh9
Reading that, it looks like a way to run ARM instructions faster on Intel. I could install it, my processor has all the features listed as necessary. :)
Going from a 100mhz 486 to a 90mhz Pentium, 10mhz lower, would have
seemed a bit weird to me, but I suppose the 90mhz Pentium was probably
still faster than the 100mhz 486 in many areas.
If I recall correct after the DX4-100 the first Pentium was running at 60Mhz but was much faster overall.
My Aniga 2000 had 1 MB chip and a 8 MB Fast ram expansion. In that time the 8 MB expansion costed 1600 dutch guilders, around 1000 USD... take all those years inflation etc... I think it would now be 1500-1800 USD... So buying 16 GB for 400 USD is not that bad nowadays... 4 times cheaper for 2000 times more memory... LOL
On 07-18-18 18:27, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Well most Android apps are written in Java, which is a multi-platform language and runtime. I figure you might as well run the Intel-based
Android emulator on your PC if you can. The downside is that some
Android apps do have native built components, and if those apps don't
have a version with those components only built for ARM, then it would only run on ARM-based Android devices.
Me too but I cant afford it lol... a friend of mine bought a NeXT... very nice but no way I going to pay 8k for a 20 year old machine. Its cool but .... yeah its cool but I cant afford that.
If I recall correct after the DX4-100 the first Pentium was running at 60Mhz but was much faster overall.
Didn't know they used Java for Android apps, seems a bit of overhead (especially RAM - I know modern JIT compilers that JVMs use these days are pretty fast). But Java in my experience (at least on a PC) is a memory hog.
I was working at a software company when the first Pentiums came out; I remember feeling how hot it ran, and how far beyond the 486 it was.
I was curious how my mind was working and did a google search:If I recall correct after the DX4-100 the first Pentium was running at 60Mhz but was much faster overall.Yeah, I seem to remember that too.
It's not even that much for 16GB these days. You can buy 16GB of desktop RAM for around $150 to $200 US. 32GB from around $280 to $400 or so.
I'm surprised someone would want that much for an older system. But I suppose NeXT is a piece of computer history.. NeXT wasn't really around very long, so I don't imagine there's much software available for NeXT machines.
One thing I've thought would be cool would be to buy a BeBox (which ran BeOS), or build a PC compatible for BeOS for x86. The PC I had around 1998 and 1999 was able to run BeOS, so I have an idea of what hardware I'd have to buy. Then again, I could probably run BeOS (or HaikuOS) in a VM on my current PC..
heat sinks because they started to run so hot. I don't remember specifically which 486 processors really needed a heat sink, but I remember hearing that Pentiums were made with a heat sink basically glued to it.
From what I remember, some seemed to require only a heat sink and didn't need a fan. But I had an AMD 486 that had a heat sink with a fan..
remember hearing that Pentiums were made with a heat sink basically
glued to it.
no, it wasnt glued to it. they were doing all kinds of things. i had one without a heatsink and fan, one with a heatsink, one with a heatsink and fan. my pent 100 got pretty damn hot
On 07-19-18 09:07, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
IMO, on a platform that could use multiple different kinds of
processors, I think something like Java makes sense. Android device makers could choose whatever processor they want to put in it. So Java allows developers to write their app once and not have to worry about
what processor is in the device (except in cases where they really need
to build some components with C++, where they would be built for the native architecture).
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Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 17 2018 19:35:01
Yes, I had one, that was my last 486 processor, before I upgraded to a Pentium 90.Going from a 100mhz 486 to a 90mhz Pentium, 10mhz lower, would have seemed a bit weird to me, but I suppose the 90mhz Pentium was probably still faster than the 100mhz 486 in many areas.
If I recall correct after the DX4-100 the first Pentium was running at 60Mhz but was much faster overall.
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Re: Re: Nightfox??
By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 17 2018 19:43:00
Yeah, I remember a lot of PCs in that time having around 4MB or 8MB. In the early 90s, up until around 1994 I think, I remember when RAM was around $100 per megabyte. I thought it was great when I started to see RAM prices fall quite a bit and 16MB or even 32MB of RAM became affordable fairly quickly.
My Aniga 2000 had 1 MB chip and a 8 MB Fast ram expansion. In that time the 8 MB expansion costed 1600 dutch guilders, around 1000 USD... take
all those years inflation etc... I think it would now be 1500-1800
USD... So buying 16 GB for 400 USD is not that bad nowadays... 4 times cheaper for 2000 times more memory... LOL
PC memory was cheaper to be honest but the numbers are funny to think about.
no, it wasnt glued to it. they were doing all kinds of things. i had one without a heatsink and fan, one with a heatsink, one with a heatsink and fan. my pent 100 got pretty damn hot
I remember seeing something in the news in the early 90s about Intel manufacturing their Pentium CPUs, and it showed the CPUs in the factory with heat sinks attached to them. I suppose my memory could be mistaken though..
I remember reading that the Pentium 60 was "No Count".
As in, there were problems with Mathematical Results.
My first Win95 pc was a used Acer Notebook that had a Pentium 90 inside.
I called it "my Windows 95 Training Wheels".
Around 1993? I had a subscription to the Computer Shopper Magazine because I was wanting to have a 486DX33 built.
My thoughts were to have 8 MB of RAM, but someone told me that RAM came in 1 MB and 4 MB sticks because Motherboards had 4 RAM Slots on them.
I was working at a software company when the first Pentiums came out; I remember feeling how hot it ran, and how far beyond the 486 it was.
my friend tricked his buddy into putting his thumb on the cpu.
he said, wow this thing runs so cool without a heat sink, touch it.
On 07-20-18 14:50, Hawkeye wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
TRUE! Very hot indeed. I also though first time to see them the die was much bigger than the DX4... but why as the difference wasnt that big.
It was for the new nextgen things, maybe video or so, dont remember it well.
On 07-20-18 10:48, Nightfox wrote to Ed Vance <=-
I remember the Pentium floating-point flaw where it would generate incorrect mathemtical results for certain calculations. Not sure if that's the same thing.. I hadn't heard of "No Count".
Video came much later, but this was around the time Intel CPUs gained extra multimedia and floating point instructions.
I remember the Pentium floating-point flaw where it would generate
incorrect mathemtical results for certain calculations. Not sure if
that's the same thing.. I hadn't heard of "No Count".
There used to be a tagline that said:
Our Pentium based sensors show 3.0001 Klingons decloaking. :D
TRUE! Very hot indeed. I also though first time to see them the die
was much bigger than the DX4... but why as the difference wasnt that
big. It was for the new nextgen things, maybe video or so, dont
remember it well.
Video came much later, but this was around the time Intel CPUs gained extra multimedia and floating point instructions.
On 07-21-18 20:27, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Our Pentium based sensors show 3.0001 Klingons decloaking. :D
:) In my experience with programming, floating-point math actually
seems to come out with results like that more often than I would have expected. When doing floating-point math with the binary number system
(which computers use), the results come close to the decimal number
that we would expect but can't always get it exactly equal to what the result would be in the decimal number system. There are programming libraries that will do math in decimal (though it isn't as fast). I've heard there are laws requiring banks to use decimal number math
libraries so thta any financial calculations are accurate in the
decimal number system.
On 07-21-18 20:30, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I remember Intel adding MMX a little bit after the first Pentiums came out, and later Pentiums were labeled as "Pentium with MMX". And around
that time also, I remember AMD came out with their 3DNow! instruction
set. There was a racing game called POD that had a version built to
use 3DNow! - I compared both versions and saw that the 3DNow! version
was noticeably faster. It seems not many programs made use of 3DNow! though, and I heard AMD removed it from later processors. I heard
there are 2 3DNow! instructions that still exist, both in AMD and Intel processors.
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