VK3JED wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-
My dad always had a computer when I was
growing up, and I got my own (hand-me-down) computer when I was 12. I think the only thing back then was that not as many people knew how to
use computers compared to today..
True. :) I was the first in my family to really make use of computers, which was no surprise, because I was the tech nerd of the house. :) My
I can vouch for that. :-) They might play Solitaire or check their
stocks, but they weren't actually 'used' for much on top of that,
at least in the circles I was in, unless it was a business mainframe.
While in the circles I was in, computers were well used. I knew a lot
of BBSing people in the 90s, and some programmers. And in the latter
half of the 80s, I was in university studying electronic engineering,
and we made extensive use of computers in our studies, from writing reports, to simulations, to programming, and running everything from
the IBM-PC (the original one with cassette BASIC in ROM!) to
mainframes, both local and at other universities.
The most annoying Microsoft software of the 90s was Microsoft Works, because a lot of people had that preinstalled on their PCs at home, so they'd use it for writing documents. But when they went to bring their documents in to work, we couldn't read them, because Works was totally incompatible with MS Office! That was bizarre and a real pain. So many times, we had to tell people to either save it as RTF or if it was
urgent, type it all again on the spot. :)
VK3JED wrote to JON JUSTVIG <=-
And, if you don't know what you're doing, I suppose a PC could catch on fire, like pouring gasoline on the PC and setting it on fire. :P
Well, it could, but that's either accidental (like power supply
failure, almost had one catch fire myself that way, luckily I was there
to pull the plug), or doing something really nasty with hardware that
one shouldn't be doing! :)
And, if you don't know what you're doing, I suppose a PC could catch on fire, like pouring gasoline on the PC and setting it on fire. :P
Well, it could, but that's either accidental (like power supply failure, almost had one catch fire myself that way, luckily I was there to pull the plug), or doing something really nasty with hardware that one shouldn't be doing! :)
Like overclocking a CPU? :-D
On 08-10-18 23:53, Jon Justvig wrote to Nightfox <=-
And, if you don't know what you're doing, I suppose a PC could catch on fire, like pouring gasoline on the PC and setting it on fire. :P
Well, it could, but that's either accidental (like power supply
failure, almost had one catch fire myself that way, luckily I was there
to pull the plug), or doing something really nasty with hardware that
one shouldn't be doing! :)
On 08-11-18 10:02, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
Same here - got a CoCo II as a Christmas present one year. Learned how
to use BASIC and such. Good times!
wow - different circles for sure! :-) The BBS users were a techy sort,
but otherwise people that I knew would buy a computer because it was
"the latest thing" and then not really use it because they didn't
really have a NEED for it. :-)
To me it was a hobby. I loved learning how they operate, rebuilding,
etc.
Yep! That was the first 'propriatary' files I ran into, and learned
very quickly about Rich Text. :-)
On 08-11-18 08:17, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
Well, it could, but that's either accidental (like power supply
failure, almost had one catch fire myself that way, luckily I was there
to pull the plug), or doing something really nasty with hardware that
one shouldn't be doing! :)
Like overclocking a CPU? :-D
On 08-12-18 00:07, Jon Justvig wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Well, it could, but that's either accidental (like power supply
failure, almost had one catch fire myself that way, luckily I was there
to pull the plug), or doing something really nasty with hardware that
one shouldn't be doing! :)
Like putting something in the wrong port? :P
Like overclocking a CPU? :-D
There's something I was never comfortable with doing: overclocking the CPU. I just have this fear that I would burn out the CPU faster if it was overclocked. However, is it just me, or does AMD kind of expect their customers to do it?
Like overclocking a CPU? :-DThere's something I was never comfortable with doing: overclocking the CPU. I just have this fear that I would burn out the CPU faster if it was overclocked. However, is it just me, or does AMD kind of expect their customers to do it?
There's something I was never comfortable with doing: overclocking the CPU. I just have this fear that I would burn out the CPU faster if it was overclocked. However, is it just me, or does AMD kind of expect their customers to do it?
There's something I was never comfortable with doing: overclocking the CPU. I just have this fear that I would burn out the CPU faster if it w overclocked. However, is it just me, or does AMD kind of expect their customers to do it?
I'm not sure if AMD expects their customers to do it, but the last CPU I eve ran overclocked was an AMD 486DX4-133 (back in 1996-1997 or so), which I fou could be safely overclocked to 160mhz by increasing the bus speed from 33mhz 40mhz. It had a standard heat sink with a fan (air cooled), and it was stab Since then I haven't been really comfortable with overclocking either, but I heard of people doing it as long as you have sufficient cooling. These days might put a liquid CPU cooler on my CPU before I try to overclock.
And actually I think Intel expects some of their customers to overclock thei CPUs these days. Intel sells processors with an unlocked multiplier (they'r the ones with the 'K' suffix in the model name) so they can be easily overclocked. Those are marketed toward enthusiasts/gamers who want to push their CPUs to the limit.
The idea of having liquid cooled PC kind of bothers me as well. I guess if the coolant isn't conductive, I might feel better about, but I still wouldn't want to overclock a CPU nor GPU.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
time as you install and remove software, the registry can grow and
grow, which means whenever Windows or a program needs to read from the registry, it takes longer for them to open and go to the right spot in
the registry. I don't think I'd really mind more .ini files on my hard
Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-
I'm not sure it makes things faster.. I've heard the Windows registry can be a cause of the PC slowing down over time.
I think that's a myth to sell "PC speed-up software" you don't need.
MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: Article: Family computers
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Aug 16 2018 08:23 am
it is NOT impossible to find out whats dragging down a windows os. you
can check the task mgr and even use diagnostic tools like i mentioned before.
NIGHTFOX wrote to MRO <=-
the registry was created so there wouldnt have to be a bunch of .ini files littering directories. it's also probably faster.
I'm not sure it makes things faster.. I've heard the Windows registry
can be a cause of the PC slowing down over time. Programs don't always properly remove their registry settings when un-installed, and over
time as you install and remove software, the registry can grow and
grow, which means whenever Windows or a program needs to read from the registry, it takes longer for them to open and go to the right spot in
the registry. I don't think I'd really mind more .ini files on my hard drive if it would mean programs could quickly open and read them.
DIGITAL MAN wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
I'm not sure it makes things faster.. I've heard the Windows registry can be a cause of the PC slowing down over time.
I think that's a myth to sell "PC speed-up software" you don't need.
NIGHTFOX wrote to DIGITAL MAN <=-
I have noticed Windows seems to slow down after a while though, so I wonder if the registry does contribute to slowdown or if it could be something else. Doing a fresh re-install of Windows often helps make
the PC feel faster.
On 08-15-18 21:31, Chai wrote to MRO <=-
I've noticed the slow downs, but they only seem to occur on systems
using platter drives. On systems with SSD's and variants, I haven't noticed the same slow down effect.
HAWKEYE wrote to DIGITAL MAN <=-
I think that's a myth to sell "PC speed-up software" you don't need.
Correct. and those utils also sometimes break a working system or set security to system which is a bad thing, it works but easier to hack. I remember tuneup etc.... I measured the time booting and starting apps
and it had no difference. It's better to manualy tune the startup and services than the registry.
Vk3jed wrote to Chai <=-
On 08-15-18 21:31, Chai wrote to MRO <=-
I've noticed the slow downs, but they only seem to occur on systems
using platter drives. On systems with SSD's and variants, I haven't noticed the same slow down effect.
Hmm, that suggests RAM usage causing excessive paging.
VK3JED wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Oh I'm talking pre-IBM PC age. :-)
Most people I knew who had a computer had a C64 or VIC 20 then. I did have one friend with a TRS-80 or related system. I only ever saw Apple
at school (Apple //).
We don't see the industry changing stuff, but our school is a MAC
shop and we have no problems with them. :-)
Apple was popular in achools here many years ago, initially Apple
//(e), then later, Mac. But today, seems schools have gone PC/Windows.
A few years after I graduated, I went back to see my teacher and she
was proud of this little thing called a Macintosh! :-) They used it
for their typesetting.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
VK3JED wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Not around here. Schools have moved to Chromebooks because they are
cheap devices.
On 08-17-18 10:42, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
Had a teacher that brought his TRS-80 Model III to scholl once - that's where I was introduced to Scott Adams adventure games! :-)
I was out of school before computers hit school... I was co-Editor of
my high school newspaper my senior year and we did manual typewriter stuff, but sent things to the local newspaper for typesetting. In exchange, we would share our pics from the basketball and football
games so they didn't have to send anyone out.
A few years after I graduated, I went back to see my teacher and she
was proud of this little thing called a Macintosh! :-) They used it
for their typesetting.
We don't see the industry changing stuff, but our school is a MAC
shop and we have no problems with them. :-)
Apple was popular in achools here many years ago, initially Apple
//(e), then later, Mac. But today, seems schools have gone PC/Windows.
Not around here. Schools have moved to Chromebooks because they are
cheap devices.
NIGHTFOX wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
A few years after I graduated, I went back to see my teacher and she
was proud of this little thing called a Macintosh! :-) They used it
for their typesetting.
I heard Steve Jobs had taken a calligraphy class in college, and that inspired him to ensure that font and text looked really good on the Macintosh. I'm sure that helped the Mac initially get its reputation
as a good system for working on such things.
CHAI wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Not around here. Schools have moved to Chromebooks because they are
cheap devices.
Can you centrally administer Chromebooks? I know you can with
Neverware CloudReady. It is ChromeOS'ish, but can be used on most any laptop. Anyway, they're using Chromebooks here as well.
VK3JED wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Had a teacher that brought his TRS-80 Model III to scholl once - that's where I was introduced to Scott Adams adventure games! :-)
That reference is lost on me.
I was out of school before computers hit school... I was co-Editor of
my high school newspaper my senior year and we did manual typewriter stuff, but sent things to the local newspaper for typesetting. In exchange, we would share our pics from the basketball and football
games so they didn't have to send anyone out.
How things have changed. :)
Macs are pretty reliable, I do like them. Wasn't as keen on the
Classic MacOS, but since OS X came along, the Mac has been brilliant.
Apple was popular in achools here many years ago, initially Apple
//(e), then later, Mac. But today, seems schools have gone PC/Windows.
Not around here. Schools have moved to Chromebooks because they are
cheap devices.
Oh, OK. TYhe school I work at use a mix of Windows desktops and
Windows netbooks for students.
VK3JED wrote to CHAI <=-
I wish Google would expand their GMail interface to work with multiple IMAP e-mail accounts from different vendors. Sort of a universal
e-mail client built on the web. There is always Thunderbird. I know.
I would still prefer a web based solution. You can kind of do this
with outlook.com, but I do not like their interface when using multiple accounts.
I'm the opposite. I don't like webmail for heavy duty use. I find the navigation shlower and clumsier. I use Thunderbird, which does the job for me, even though the Gmail interface is available.
... She got her looks from her father. He's a plastic surgeon.
Vk3jed wrote to Chai <=-
On 08-17-18 15:39, Chai wrote to ROBERT WOLFE <=-
I'm the opposite. I don't like webmail for heavy duty use. I find the navigation shlower and clumsier. I use Thunderbird, which does the job for me, even though the Gmail interface is available.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to CHAI <=-
I've converted a ton of old Winders and older MAC's to CloudReady, but
we just use the free one. We have no administration on them, but it
DOES breathe new life into older machines!
Personally, I'd rather put Linux/Ubuntu on them, just for the fun
of it, but CloudReady at least lets them log into Google and still
have a ChromeBook'ish experience. :-)
On 08-18-18 12:12, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
TEXT adventures - where you are told what you see and you type in
one or two word commands - "GO NORTH" "OPEN BOX" etc.
Scott Adams was one of the most famous people to write these!
IKR?
Well to be fair Windows is still popular, but there are more and more schools, around me at least, moving to Mac for teachers.
On 08-18-18 12:26, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
Yeah - same here - Apple Mail all the way - plus I have access to ALL
my email accounts in one place...
On 08-18-18 19:33, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
E-mail software has tendency to get abandoned over time. I'm guessing this is because many people have shifted over to webmail, and
monetization can be difficult. Thunderbird still works, but it hasn't received that many new features. With a web based client, I'd only
have to setup my credentials once for all of my e-mail accounts. I
have 2FA on all of my e-mail accounts, so a web client solution would
work wonders for me in terms of convenience. The same could be accomplished in Thunderbird with roaming profiles (encrypted synchronization), but I don't think the software has that ability, as
of yet. I could always load Thunderbird portable edition to a USB flash drive, but my key ring is full of flash drives, as it is.
CHAI wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I've converted a ton of old Winders and older MAC's to CloudReady, but
we just use the free one. We have no administration on them, but it
DOES breathe new life into older machines!
I was impressed by how much I was actually able to do with it. I think printing requires the printer to be cloud connected (most are,
nowadays), but I was able to do quite a bit of work, to my surprise.
IKR?
Again, you've lost me.
Vk3jed wrote to Chai <=-
I find webmail highly inconvenient for high volume use. I am yet to
see a web interface that is good for high volume work. The navigation tends to be a bit clunky for that purpose.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to CHAI <=-
We encourage the schools NOT to print from any student device. If they need something printed, they send it to the teacher or share it with
the teacher to print. Most of the teachers reacted with, "if they
share it with me then why should I take the time to print it?" :-)
Yeah - and if he did 'break' it, just reflash it! He logs back into
Google and continues where he left off! Couldn't be simpler!
Also - I remember a comedian in the early days of the Internet
talking about his dad called and said he wanted to look up
what prep work he'd need to do to get latex paint to bond. He
said, "dad - whatever you do, don't look up latex bondage."
LOL
On 08-19-18 12:58, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Article: Family compu
By: Vk3jed to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sun Aug 19 2018 09:22 pm
IKR?
Again, you've lost me.
My guess: "I know, right?"
On 08-19-18 14:16, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I imagine it would be if you're dealing with high volume. I only deal with a personal use scenario.. ~10 e-mails a day.
Webmail is definitely slow. I've had instances where it actually saved
me time, though. It depends on the situation you're dealing with.
It sounds like the perfect tool for schools. Saving trees is a good thing.
I may end up repurposing the laptop I'm using now for that. I've been looking at some old laptops on shopgoodwill.com, but they are sold as is,
Macs are pretty reliable, I do like them. Wasn't as keen on the Classic MacOS, but since OS X came along, the Mac has been brilliant.
I find webmail highly inconvenient for high volume use. I am yet to see a web interface that is good for high volume work. The navigation tends to be a bit clunky for that purpose.
On 08-20-18 09:56, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Article: Family compu
By: Vk3jed to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sat Aug 18 2018 09:23 am
Macs are pretty reliable, I do like them. Wasn't as keen on the Classic MacOS, but since OS X came along, the Mac has been brilliant.
I always kinda liked the classic Mac OS. I thought its UI looked nice (particularly 7 through 9). But I've heard it didn't handle serious multi-tasking well, which was one of the reasons why Apple wanted to
replace it with something different. I think OS X is good. I just
don't really like the direction that the computer industry is headed (Apple included) where all the major operating systems (OS X, Windows, Android, and iOS) look fairly flat now. I think the GUI of Winodws 7,
OS X Tiger/Leopard, and earlier versions of Android (4.x) and iOS
looked a lot nicer.
On 08-20-18 10:03, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, I dislike web interfaces for high-volume use. There's a
web-based test case management system we've used where I work, which
I've felt can be inefficient due to the web-based nature of it. We'd
have lists of tests in there that we'd run for our software releases,
and for each test case, we could view the steps and then mark them (and the test case) as pass/fail, and doing each test case individually
through a web interface always seemed slower than it should be. I
thought it would be nice to have a client software that we could run on
a local machine to mark test case results and then upload the results
to the server in batch.
I always kinda liked the classic Mac OS. I thought its UI looked
nice (particularly 7 through 9). But I've heard it didn't handle
serious
multi-tasking well, which was one of the reasons why Apple wanted to
I found it too dumbed down for my liking - remember the "bomb" icon in the early versions of MacOS? It told you there was a serious system error, but lacked detail. OS X at least has BSD under the hood and you can get down and dirty on the command line if you have to. :) Kind of the best of both worlds. :) And yes, classic MacOS wasn't the best multitasker, that rings a bell.
Yeah, I dislike web interfaces for high-volume use. There's a
And this sentence is why web forums suck in a nutshell. :) It also alludes to why I still love BBSing and offline mail *which strictly speaking isn't necessary right now!). :)
I remember the bomb icon. I actually always thought that was funny. Window these days seems a little more dumbed down than it used to be - The blue scr of death (starting in Windows 8, I think) now includes a frowny-face ":(" emoticon, and either the blue screen or perhaps another error screen I've se says "Something went wrong" or similar.
Yes, the ":(" image on the blue screen. I get a blue screen frequently on my desktop computer, and I see that and the QRCode with it to look up the error. Like I have enough time to get my phone out, load up the barn code scanner app, and get the phone positioned just right, to get the error code.
On 08-20-18 17:28, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I remember the bomb icon. I actually always thought that was funny.
Windows these days seems a little more dumbed down than it used to be - The blue screen of death (starting in Windows 8, I think) now includes
a frowny-face ":(" emoticon, and either the blue screen or perhaps
another error screen I've seen says "Something went wrong" or similar.
On 08-20-18 17:33, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
As much as I dislike web interfaces for some things, web forums don't bother me. I normally don't feel like they're too slow (unless there really is some network issue slowing things down seriously), and in
some ways, I feel like message threads look better on web forums
(compared to what could be done on a text-based BBS interface).
On 08-21-18 09:11, Jagossel wrote to Nightfox <=-
Yes, the ":(" image on the blue screen. I get a blue screen frequently
on my desktop computer, and I see that and the QRCode with it to look
up the error. Like I have enough time to get my phone out, load up the barn code scanner app, and get the phone positioned just right, to get
the error code.
I remember the bomb icon. I actually always thought that was funny.
Unfortunately, whgen a friend was trying to do something on a Mac many years ago, the bomb popped up, and gave no clues as to what was wrong, which made it annoying, rather than amusing. He did later determine that it was a memory issue caused by loading too much at startup.
The most interesting critical error I've seen is the Amiga's Guru Meditation, and back then it was almost a sport to find new ways to bring up the Guru. There were simple ones, like typing "run run" in a terminal window would do it (think that caused stack corruption or similar from memory). :)
Web forums are like webmail, slow and clumsy to navigate, and forums also are often high volume. Other issues, each one is an island, while with BBSs, you can aggregate message feeds by either joining multiple message networks or becoming a point. There is no equivalent operation for web forums. To me, they're the scourge of the Internet.
Because I need to read as much as possible, that really puts pressure on the interface to perform. Here, offline readers win hands down (delay imperceptable), compared to web forums (several seconds per thread). Long
That's cool there's a QR code, though sounds like it may need to linger a bit longer for slower phone users. :)
VK3JED wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
IKR?
Again, you've lost me.
DIGITAL MAN wrote to VK3JED <=-
IKR?
Again, you've lost me.
My guess: "I know, right?"
On 08-22-18 09:27, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I didn't use Macs much back then, so I didn't realize they didn't give good information when something went wrong. Was there not even a crash dump or anything?
The most interesting critical error I've seen is the Amiga's Guru Meditation, and back then it was almost a sport to find new ways to bring up the Guru. There were simple ones, like typing "run run" in a terminal window would do it (think that caused stack corruption or similar from memory). :)
I've heard about that but haven't seen it myself. :)
On 08-22-18 09:30, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, you can do that as a sysop, but as a BBS user you have to rely on the BBSes you're using to have access to the message networks you want
to use. Comparing being a sysop to using someone else's web forum is
sort of comparing apples and oranges.
Because I need to read as much as possible, that really puts pressure on the interface to perform. Here, offline readers win hands down (delay imperceptable), compared to web forums (several seconds per thread). Long
I suppose that's true, offline message readers would be faster.
On 08-22-18 09:31, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
From what I remember, there is a Windows setting to have it not automatically reboot after showing a blue screen.
On 08-22-18 02:12, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
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VK3JED wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
IKR?
Again, you've lost me.
I know, right?
I suppose that's true, offline message readers would be faster.
Much faster. read 50 threads with average 5 seconds load time, there's over 4 minutes spent staring at the screen. And many forums take a LOT longer than 5 secones to load a thread. Offline reader - imperceptible, for a single message, on modern hardware, probably in the mS to 10s of mS range per message.
On 08-23-18 09:36, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've tried using MultiMail (offline QWK-based reader). It seemed
decent, but one thing I didn't like is (from what I remember) it showed the internal codes for the message area names rather than the actual
area names I had configured in Synchronet. I imagine it probably only knows the internal codes though.. I can figure out what area it is
based on the internal code, but it still bugged me a bit. I'd rather
see a name like "General" rather than "DOVE_GEN".
Re: Re: Article: Family compu
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Aug 23 2018 01:06 pm
I suppose that's true, offline message readers would be faster.
Much faster. read 50 threads with average 5 seconds load time, there's over 4 minutes spent staring at the screen. And many forums take a LOT longer than 5 secones to load a thread. Offline reader - imperceptible, for a single message, on modern hardware, probably in the mS to 10s of mS range per message.
I've tried using MultiMail (offline QWK-based reader). It seemed decent, but one thing I didn't like is (from what I remember) it showed the internal codes for the message area names rather than the actual area names I had configured in Synchronet. I imagine it probably only knows the internal codes though.. I can figure out what area it is based on the internal code, but it still bugged me a bit. I'd rather see a name like "General" rather than "DOVE_GEN".
actual area names I had configured in Synchronet. I imagine it
probably only knows the internal codes though.. I can figure out
what area it is based on the internal code, but it still bugged me a
bit. I'd rather see a name like "General" rather than "DOVE_GEN".
There is actually an easy fix for that issue. Enable QWKE on the BBS end and you'll get the full conference names, among other features. :)
You control the QWK conference name in SCFG->Message Areas. In QWKE mode (which MultiMail does support, mostly), the conference name shown in the reader would be the Group short name following be the Sub-board long name. In either case is the internal code shown.
On 08-24-18 10:08, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There is actually an easy fix for that issue. Enable QWKE on the BBS end and you'll get the full conference names, among other features. :)
Ah, I've heard about QWKE. I'll have to remember that. :)
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Re: Re: Article: Family compu
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Aug 23 2018 01:06 pm
I suppose that's true, offline message readers would be faster.
Much faster. read 50 threads with average 5 seconds load time, there's over 4 minutes spent staring at the screen. And many forums take a LOT longer than 5 secones to load a thread. Offline reader - imperceptible, for a single message, on modern hardware, probably in the mS to 10s of mS
range per message.
I've tried using MultiMail (offline QWK-based reader). It seemed decent, but N>one thing I didn't like is (from what I remember) it showed the internal codes
for the message area names rather than the actual area names I had configured
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Re: Re: Article: Family compu
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Aug 23 2018 01:06 pm
I suppose that's true, offline message readers would be faster.
Much faster. read 50 threads with average 5 seconds load time, there's over 4 minutes spent staring at the screen. And many forums take a LOT longer than 5 secones to load a thread. Offline reader - imperceptible, for a single message, on modern hardware, probably in the mS to 10s of mS
range per message.
I've tried using MultiMail (offline QWK-based reader). It seemed decent, but N>one thing I didn't like is (from what I remember) it showed the internal codes
for the message area names rather than the actual area names I had configured
You mean this mine does? I think that this is the fault of ther QWK
mail door and maybe even the QWK standard itself since it's not only Synchronet's QWK that does that with offline mail readers :) Then
again, I only seem to see the above control lines when downloading
packets with messages from Synchronet systems. Everyone else seems
normal.
I've tried using MultiMail (offline QWK-based reader). It seemed
decent, but one thing I didn't like is (from what I remember) it
showed the internal codes for the message area names rather than the
actual area names I had configured
You mean this mine does? I think that this is the fault of ther QWK
mail door and maybe even the QWK standard itself since it's not only Synchronet's QWK that does that with offline mail readers :) Then
again, I only seem to see the above control lines when downloading
packets with messages from Synchronet systems. Everyone else seems
normal.
If you're seeing control lines within messages, that means you have the QWK DM>configuration for your BBS user account set to enable them and your side DM>(reader or BBS) does not support them. Simply turning them off from the DM>QWK->Configuration menu will fix that for ya.
You mean this mine does? I think that this is the fault of ther QWK
I'm not sure what you mean by "this mine does". But it has been suggested that
enabling QWKE would allow the message area names to be displayed rather than N>just the QWK codes for the message areas.
If you're seeing control lines within messages, that means you have the QWK DM>configuration for your BBS user account set to enable them and your side DM>(reader or BBS) does not support them. Simply turning them off from the DM>QWK->Configuration menu will fix that for ya.
So would I do that on your system? I ask because I don't have that
option in wcMAIL.
Re: Re: Article: Family compu
By: ROBERT WOLFE to DIGITAL MAN on Sun Aug 26 2018 12:51 pm
If you're seeing control lines within messages, that means you have the QWK DM>configuration for your BBS user account set to enable them and your side DM>(reader or BBS) does not support them. Simply turning them off from the DM>QWK->Configuration menu will fix that for ya.
So would I do that on your system? I ask because I don't have that option in wcMAIL.
Right, you control QWKE support on the BBS/door side.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm not sure software piracy can be fully attributed to why a piece of software comes to dominate the market. I always imagined there were
still a lot more paying users than pirate users. Businesses especially need to be careful to have a legitimate paid copy, and there are a lot
I would never trust pirated software, myself. I don't mind buying my softwa at all.
I just want Microsoft to be more flexible to their paying customers.
Microsoft has already admitted that business is their bread and butter. Piracy for home users helps attribute to the almost standardized adoption of the platform.
Business accountability for licensing is strictly enforced, so I imagine they put
up with a little, for the sake of the bigger picture.
I would never trust pirated software, myself. I don't mind buying my software at all.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
I read that in 1976, Bill Gates wrote an 'open letter to hobbyists' encouraging them to stop pirating software and to buy a copy of the software you want. Also, starting with Windows XP, Microsoft introduced the Windows activation feature.. I'm not sure they'd go to that length
if they were willing to put up with a little bit of piracy.
With Windows XP, I remember there was an easy way to customize the boot screen and use a different boot screen other than the default Windows
XP boot screen. A co-worker of mine at the time said that as a joke, he
put a Windows XP boot screen on his laptop that said "Windows XP:
Pirate Edition" with a skull and crossbones (I think I had also seen
that one myself). He said he'd get odd looks from people who thought
he actually had a pirated copy of Windows XP. :P
I remember that. I remember customizing the Windows boot screen so that it would show the Mac logo. It left a couple of people scratching their heads.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
That's funny. :)
Some time in the mid-90s, I found a Mac emulator for DOS that could run the actual Mac OS 8. I thought it would be funny to set up someone's
PC to start the Mac emulator on bootup..
I seem to remember that emulator. I don't recall ever using System 8 myself, but I did setup Oscar the Grouch trash can animation on a friends Mac using System 7.
I seem to remember that emulator. I don't recall ever using System 8 myself, but I did setup Oscar the Grouch trash can animation on a frien Mac using System 7.
I always mainly used DOS and Windows, and when I was a kid, I remember using Macs at school and thinking the idea of a system trash can for deleted files seemed so cool. These days though, I don't often use the recycle bin in Windows - When I delete a file, I have been in the habit of deleting it permanently (I think it's shift-delete that will delete without sending the file to the recycle bin?).
Didn't Windows 9x or TweakUI for Windows 9x have some setting that you can set to have Windows permantely delete a file when you DEL?
MRO wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-Common Crap makes people with engineering degrees pissed.
i went to my step daughter's school and they split us up from the kids
and tried to get the parents to do common core. of course i lead a
revolt and all parents agreed that the way WE were taught is better.
NIGHTFOX wrote to JAGOSSEL <=-People say Singapore has a good Mathematics education system.
I've heard they created common core teaching methods to actually help
the majority of students, because supposedly not enough students in the past were getting it.. And also they wanted to make US students and US education more competitive with other countries. But time will tell if it's actually making a difference.
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