I drove all over town today for work, and planned to stop at a store and
buy a hard drive on the way home.
Well, I'm home now and the person in the car (me) forgot to remind me to stop.
Oh well, there's always the next day :)
I drove all over town today for work, and planned to stop at a store and buy a hard drive on the way home.
Oh well, there's always the next day :)
Oops, I actually meant to post this somewhere else (not on DOVE-Net).
Sorry 'bout that!
On 08/02/2019 00:31, RETRO GUY wrote to RETRO GUY:
store and -> > buy a hard drive on the way home.I drove all over town today for work, and planned to stop at a
Oh well, there's always the next day :)
Oops, I actually meant to post this somewhere else (not onDOVE-Net). -> Sorry 'bout that!
You've now got us (read : me) hooked on this drama, did the
hard-drive ever find it's way, don't make me wait a week like Netflix
is doing :D
Yes, I finally arrived at Best Buy and picked up a 4TB hd and a 480G
SSD. All is well now :)
This is my first SSD and it's quite nice (and fast).
When I put an SSD in my PC (for my boot drive), it cut down on the boot time quite a bit (from about a minute and a half to about 30 seconds). But other than that, I didn't notice such a big difference when running software.
When I put an SSD in my PC (for my boot drive), it cut down on the boot time quite a bit (from about a minute and a half to about 30 seconds). But other than that, I didn't notice such a big difference when running software.
Also how noticable the difference is has a lot to do with the type of SSD drive as well. SATA, mSATA, M.2, PCIe, NVMe, etc etc. The speed can vary a LOT between them nowadays that the technology has progressed sufficiently. There's even Cross-point Optane stuff out now that blows all this stuff out of the water.
Back before SSDs became reasonable, I bought a ton of hybrid drives - there's one in the BBS here now. Imagine a SATA drive with a 4GB cache. Starts up like a normal SATA drive, then as the cache gets loaded it feels like an SSD. Cheap, and great bang for the buck.
When I put an SSD in my PC (for my boot drive), it cut down on the boot time quite a bit (from about a minute and a half to about 30 seconds). But other than that, I didn't notice such a big difference when running software.
Back before SSDs became reasonable, I bought a ton of hybrid drives - there's one in the BBS here now. Imagine a SATA drive with a 4GB cache. Starts up like a normal SATA drive, then as the cache gets loaded it feels like an SSD. Cheap, and great bang for the buck.
When I put an SSD in my PC (for my boot drive), it cut down on the
boot time quite a bit (from about a minute and a half to about 30
seconds). But other than that, I didn't notice such a big difference
when running software.
it might be because you are running windows and it's so dependant on the pagefile.
Halcy0n wrote to Nightfox <=-
At this point I wouldn't put anything aside from long-term archival storage on anything but an SSD. Storage is just too cheap with all the benefits now :P
theAt this point I wouldn't put anything aside from long-term archival storage on anything but an SSD. Storage is just too cheap with all
benefits now :P
I also like that the m.2 drives connect directly to the motherboard, so they don't need to be mounted in the case and don't require a data cable or power cable.
I have mirrored SATA drives in my system; they're slow, comparatively, but
I like the peace of mind I get in having a mirror. I've had one drive fail and was able to repair the set by dropping in a spare drive.
I might buy an SSD as a boot drive and use the RAID pair for storage next time I re-install Windows.
RAID arrays are definately a great option for redundant backup. They're actually pretty quick when setup that way, aren't they?
People usually make a big deal about how much faster SSDs are though, and a lot of people run Windows.. Do you think the difference would be more noticeable in Linux or another OS?
On 02-25-19 07:35, Retro Guy wrote to Kevin <=-
I'm sorry to keep you on the edge of your seat waiting for the series finale!
Yes, I finally arrived at Best Buy and picked up a 4TB hd and a 480G
SSD. All is well now :)
This is my first SSD and it's quite nice (and fast).
On 02-25-19 13:03, Nightfox wrote to Retro Guy <=-
When I put an SSD in my PC (for my boot drive), it cut down on the boot time quite a bit (from about a minute and a half to about 30 seconds).
But other than that, I didn't notice such a big difference when running software.
On 02-25-19 22:41, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
People usually make a big deal about how much faster SSDs are though,
and a lot of people run Windows.. Do you think the difference would be more noticeable in Linux or another OS?
RAID arrays are definately a great option for redundant backup. They're actually pretty quick when setup that way, aren't they?
In my experience, replacing a HDD with SSD made a massive difference to performance on my desktop running Linux Mint.
Redundant "storage" not backup. You delete a file on your raid mount and it's gone. You could store backups on a raid. Raid can sometime a false sense of security. A computer infected with a ransomware that had a raid attached to it will also encrypt the file on the raid like any other attached drive.
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
People usually make a big deal about how much faster SSDs are though,
and a lot of people run Windows.. Do you think the difference would be more noticeable in Linux or another OS?
In my experience, replacing a HDD with SSD made a massive
difference to performance on my desktop running Linux Mint.
Same here. I don't think it makes any difference what OS you're
running, either. SSDs rock.
Nightfox wrote to Dan Clough <=-
happens when an SSD fails. I had read that flash storage has a limited number of writes, and I had the impression that an SSD's lifespan couldWhere I work we used more than a thousand of SSD's in our products for the past five years.
be much shorter than a rotating hard drive.
And I heard that some SSDsWe've spoke with field engineer from Micron once and he said all SSD controller's brand are doing that.
actually have more storage than they report, but they allocate a percentage as a backup so that as sections of the memory fail, the
drive will start to use the other parts of the storage instead. I
But what happens when an SSD massively fails, I'm not sure. As long as you could at least still read the drive, I suppose you could still copy your data off to another drive.In out case, most of the time, it's a bunches of 512-byts sector that get corrupted. Not only one bit that flipped but a bunch that suddenly does not have the correct data.
Nightfox wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Same here. I don't think it makes any difference what OS you're
running, either. SSDs rock.
One that makes me nervous (which I think mro pointed out) is what
happens when an SSD fails. I had read that flash storage has a
limited number of writes, and I had the impression that an SSD's
lifespan could be much shorter than a rotating hard drive. And I
heard that some SSDs actually have more storage than they report,
but they allocate a percentage as a backup so that as sections of
the memory fail, the drive will start to use the other parts of
the storage instead. I think Intel's SSDs do that (or at least,
they did) - Which is why for Intel SSDs, you'd find drive sizes
of 480GB for Intel SSDs instead of a more typical 512GB etc.
But what happens when an SSD massively fails, I'm not sure. As
long as you could at least still read the drive, I suppose you
could still copy your data off to another drive.
On 02-27-19 09:13, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Forgot my hard drive
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Feb 27 2019 08:31 am
In my experience, replacing a HDD with SSD made a massive difference to performance on my desktop running Linux Mint.
I use Linux Mint on my machine which has my Windows BBS VM and a couple other servers. Maybe a SSD would benefit it..
On 02-27-19 09:43, Dan Clough wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Same here. I don't think it makes any difference what OS you're
running, either. SSDs rock.
... As a matter of fact, it IS a banana in my pocket.
By the way, I know what I wrote it is probably not useful.
But I wanted to write something using an offline mail reader and post something on a BBS, something I haven't done since more than 20 years so my post is also for the fun on it!
But what happens when an SSD massively fails, I'm not sure. As long as you could at least still read the drive, I suppose you could still copy your data off to another drive.
and it has worked perfectly. With the cost of SSDs coming way
down, I find very little reason to consider using regular HDDs any
more. No troubles yet (fingers crossed)!
Nightfox wrote to Dan Clough <=-
and it has worked perfectly. With the cost of SSDs coming way
down, I find very little reason to consider using regular HDDs any
more. No troubles yet (fingers crossed)!
I thought regular HDDs still generally had a higher capacity than
SSDs. I've seen regular HDs at 4TB and higher, and I'm not sure
I've seen SSDs that big.
I know for sure that Samsung (EVO models) come as big as 4TB,
although that may be a fairly new thing. Their 1 and 2TBs have
been out a long while. For general home use, to paraphrase what Bill
Gates allegedly (and probably did not) say "that oughta be big enough
for anyone!" :)
:) I was reading not too long ago that Bill Gates was misquoted and never atually said 640K should be enough for anyone.
Reminds me of working my first IT gig in 1995. Life insurance system that ran in 16K of memory. All Assembler.
Dan Clough wrote to Nightfox <=-
Nightfox wrote to Dan Clough <=-
and it has worked perfectly. With the cost of SSDs coming way
down, I find very little reason to consider using regular HDDs any
more. No troubles yet (fingers crossed)!
I thought regular HDDs still generally had a higher capacity than
SSDs. I've seen regular HDs at 4TB and higher, and I'm not sure
I've seen SSDs that big.
I know for sure that Samsung (EVO models) come as big as 4TB,
although that may be a fairly new thing. Their 1 and 2TBs have
been out a long while. For general home use, to paraphrase what Bill Gates allegedly (and probably did not) say "that oughta be big enough
for anyone!" :)
... Daddy, what does "now formatting drive C:" mean?
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Reminds me of working my first IT gig in 1995. Life insurance system that ran in 16K of memory. All Assembler.
In 1995? By then it was common for PCs to have maybe 2 or 4 megs of RAM, I believe, and I believe C and Pascal were common, at least.. Was that a legacy system perhaps?
When I put an SSD in my PC (for my boot drive), it cut down on the boot time quite a bit (from about a minute and a half to about 30 seconds). But otherMy SSD is my boot drive, but I run a conventional drive as my secondary,
That's a good point. If you had it setup correctly, it wouldn't effect a
NAS though would it?
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