Great news - everybody in the world who wants a BBS of their own has one! There are no people remaining ;) At least that is what i gather about my free hosting offer so it must be true...
well, people arent interested.
Great news - everybody in the world who wants a BBS of their own has one! There are no people remaining ;) At least that is what i gather about my free hosting offer so it must be true...
Great news - everybody in the world who wants a BBS of their own has one! There are no people remaining ;) At least that is what i gather about my free hosting offer so it must be true...
DaiTengu wrote to Marisag <=-
Great news - everybody in the world who wants a BBS of their own has one! There are no people remaining ;) At least that is what i gather about my free hosting offer so it must be true...
Or people want to do their own setup and maintenance on their
own BBS, and host it on their own computer. Sysops by their very
nature are technically inclined control freaks.
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: Marisag to All on Sun Mar 17 2019 03:27 am
Great news - everybody in the world who wants a BBS of their own has one! There are no people remaining ;) At least that is what i gather about my free hosting offer so it must be true...
Or people want to do their own setup and maintenance on their own BBS, and host it on their own computer. Sysops by their very nature are technically inclined control freaks.
Or people want to do their own setup and maintenance on their
own BBS, and host it on their own computer. Sysops by their very
nature are technically inclined control freaks.
Concur. I want my BBS on a machine I can see and do what I want
with. I understand the need/purpose of commercial hosting, but
most hobbyist BBSs don't need that. Why not just run it at home?
Concur. I want my BBS on a machine I can see and do what I want
with. I understand the need/purpose of commercial hosting, but
most hobbyist BBSs don't need that. Why not just run it at home?
Or people want to do their own setup and maintenance on their
own BBS, and host it on their own computer. Sysops by their very
nature are technically inclined control freaks.
Concur. I want my BBS on a machine I can see and do what I want
with. I understand the need/purpose of commercial hosting, but
most hobbyist BBSs don't need that. Why not just run it at home?
Concur. I want my BBS on a machine I can see and do what I want
with. I understand the need/purpose of commercial hosting, but
most hobbyist BBSs don't need that. Why not just run it at home?
was me missing all the time when I was working on the hardware. But, what really is commercial hosting? I run most of my servers on AWS. The cost is manageable, reliable, redundant, and gives me the same flexibility if I were to run it at the office with all my servers, storage, and N+1 redundancy.
There's two sides to this... first, do you really want everything in the house? I had a server farm in the basement years ago and if it wasn't the wife complaining about the noise or the increased electrical utilization, it was me missing all the time when I was working on the hardware. But, what really is commercial hosting? I run most of my servers on AWS. The cost is manageable, reliable, redundant, and gives me the same flexibility if I were to run it at the office with all my servers, storage, and N+1 redundancy.
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: Dan Clough to DaiTengu on Mon Mar 18 2019 10:14 pm
Concur. I want my BBS on a machine I can see and do what I want
with. I understand the need/purpose of commercial hosting, but
most hobbyist BBSs don't need that. Why not just run it at home?
There's two sides to this... first, do you really want everything in the house?
I had a server farm in the basement years ago and if it wasn't the
wife complaining about the noise or the increased electrical utilization, it was me missing all the time when I was working on the hardware.
But, what
really is commercial hosting? I run most of my servers on AWS. The cost is manageable, reliable, redundant, and gives me the same flexibility if I were to run it at the office with all my servers, storage, and N+1 redundancy.
I do find the challenge of 100% remote installation and management to be a fun thing to chase (a Linux/bash console definitely helps), but I don't feel like I'm running a "BBS" when it's not in my own home. So I self-host everything. <shrug>
I do find the challenge of 100% remote installation and management to be a fun thing to chase (a Linux/bash console definitely helps), but I don't feel like I'm running a "BBS" when it's not in my own home. So I self-host everything. <shrug>
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: Digital Man to Dream Master on Tue Mar 19 2019 12:56 pm
I do find the challenge of 100% remote installation and management to be a fun thing to chase (a Linux/bash console definitely helps), but I don't feel like I'm running a "BBS" when it's not in my own home. So I self-host everything. <shrug>
That's where I'm going back and forth. Comcast likes to filter everything coming in and I don't want to get into the business of throwing a proxy elsewhere and securely routing the traffic back to the house. I've thought about going the Comcast Business Internet route, where they throw a line into the house and it isn't filtered but the cost goes up significantly.
...but, to your point, having the BBS in the house is definitely a "warm and fuzzy" feeling. I remember staring at the blinking lights on my USR and ZyXel modems, seeing how fast people were connecting, and getting an idea of what they were doing. No one has phone lines anymore and with that, no modems.
Now you got me thinking...
DaiTengu wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Or people want to do their own setup and maintenance on their
own BBS, and host it on their own computer. Sysops by their very
nature are technically inclined control freaks.
Concur. I want my BBS on a machine I can see and do what I want
with. I understand the need/purpose of commercial hosting, but
most hobbyist BBSs don't need that. Why not just run it at home?
I run mine on a VM hosted at Linode. Dialup users hit my local
devbox via SEXPOTS and it calls out to the BBS for them.
Nightfox wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Concur. I want my BBS on a machine I can see and do what I want
with. I understand the need/purpose of commercial hosting, but
most hobbyist BBSs don't need that. Why not just run it at home?
I like running mine at home too, for those reasons. I suppose
you could remote desktop to a machine in the cloud so you can see
it.. But I just prefer to have total control of the machine. I
haven't really seen a need to have a cloud-hosted BBS machine.
Depending on someone's living situation though, they might not be
able to have a PC where they live to run a BBS on. So for some
people, it can be beneficial to be able to have a BBS machine in
the cloud.
Dream Master wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Concur. I want my BBS on a machine I can see and do what I want
with. I understand the need/purpose of commercial hosting, but
most hobbyist BBSs don't need that. Why not just run it at home?
There's two sides to this... first, do you really want everything
in the house?
I had a server farm in the basement years ago and
if it wasn't the wife complaining about the noise or the
increased electrical utilization, it was me missing all the time
when I was working on the hardware.
But, what really is
commercial hosting? I run most of my servers on AWS. The cost
is manageable, reliable, redundant, and gives me the same
flexibility if I were to run it at the office with all my
servers, storage, and N+1 redundancy.
Marisag wrote to Denn <=-
Hehe you are too right...
...but, to your point, having the BBS in the house is definitely a "warm and fuzzy" feeling. I remember staring at the blinking lights on my USR and ZyXel modems, seeing how fast people were connecting, and getting an idea of what they were doing. No one has phone lines anymore and with that, no modems.
Hehe you are too right...
...About what...?
<No quoting, no context>
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: Dan Clough to DaiTengu on Mon Mar 18 2019 10:14 pm
Concur. I want my BBS on a machine I can see and do what I want
with. I understand the need/purpose of commercial hosting, but
most hobbyist BBSs don't need that. Why not just run it at home?
Nowadays with internet pipelines into many homes pushing 100MB, 200MB or even a gig you can run many services at home nowadays. Homelabbing is becoming a huge hobby out there.
For me, I only have one dedicated machine for my BBS, and I don't have a problem having an extra small PC in the house.. Why not? I prefer having my BBS machine at home, since I can directly manage it as needed. Also, I'm not sure yet if I'd want to pay for something like an Amazon AWS instance.
I don't mind paying the electricity for my BBS machine, as it doesn't use much.
That's where I'm going back and forth. Comcast likes to filter everything coming in and I don't want to get into the business of throwing a proxy elsewhere and securely routing the traffic back to the house. I've thought about going the Comcast Business Internet route, where they throw a line
I have Charter/Spectrum Business w/static IPs (so I can host DNS servers and such), no filtering, 120M/10M: $90/mo.
Most of us want to do it ourselves - build the knowledge, understand how networking works, how a SAN works, etc. Plus, as I stated in a previous message, running large workloads in the cloud gets very expensive very quickly. I run my Hadoop cluster for doing some big data projects on a $300 server I got off eBay with plenty of power to spare. One month worth costs for my Hadoop clusters running in AWS was costing me close to the same amount. An added benefit of doing it myself is I learned how to install and configure Hadoop instead of just "hitting the button" and letting AWS do it for me.
Very interesting and cool. But.... what I'm really asking is -
why run the VM on Linode, instead of a dedicated machine (or a VM)
at home? Is it because of sub-standard cable-internet access, or something else? Why incur the cost of the Linode service?
you're paying too much. in wisconsin that's 69 bucks for residential. gigabit business here is around what you pay.
with residential you ip doesnt change unless you lose your 'lease' by having your modem unplugged for days or change your mac address
MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-
I have Charter/Spectrum Business w/static IPs (so I can host DNS servers and such), no filtering, 120M/10M: $90/mo.
you're paying too much.
in wisconsin that's 69 bucks for residential.
gigabit business here is around what you pay.
with residential you ip doesnt change unless you lose your
'lease' by having your modem unplugged for days or change your
mac address ---
this is why running it home is for chumps. you arent going through the
Very interesting and cool. But.... what I'm really asking is -
why run the VM on Linode, instead of a dedicated machine (or a VM)
at home? Is it because of sub-standard cable-internet access, or
something else? Why incur the cost of the Linode service?
I liked the blinkenlights. I also remember when running my BBS on MS-DOS, the OS was a lot less busy, so I could sometimes tell what a user was doing based on the pattern of noise from the hard drive.
okay lets say you run it at home and you have a hardware problem.
you have to trouble shoot what's wrong. you have to crack it open and replace a harddrive. maybe there was a power surge and some other things failed. maybe your power supply died. oh no it caught fire and damaged your house. then you have to order another computer and wait for it. you copy over your backups, and after a weekend or two you have it all back up. you forgot a few things and it's not 100% but it's working.
this is why running it home is for chumps. you arent going through the hassle and wasting time [which i consider money]. you can spend time with your family or do what you need to do without dropping everything and working on hardware.
well, i run my bbses and other things on a hosted server and i love it. it's not in the house, it's always up and it's not eating up electricity. i have great speed and i can get gigabit, i just dont want the hassle of running it at home anymore.
I want to add my two cents to this one. I am not a fan of non-asymetrical internet speed. I pay for 250Mbps internet, yet I only get between 2 and 5Mbps upstream. This is fine for basic utilization, but when you are trying to run a webserver or anything of "real value", or even trying to upload
YES!!! I remember when I got my first 1GB Micropolis hard drive. That thing cost me a small fortune but it was wonderful. Yes, the hard drive noise, loved it. I kept a couple "servers" in the closet with my rack of modems sitting next to it. If I was sitting close enough, holy crap. :)
I want to add my two cents to this one. I am not a fan of non-asymetrical internet speed. I pay for 250Mbps internet, yet I only get between 2 and 5Mbps upstream. This is fine for basic utilization, but when you are trying to run a webserver or anything of "real value", or even trying to upload anything to the internet, takes forever.
I want to add my two cents to this one. I am not a fan of non-asymetrical internet speed. I pay for 250Mbps internet, yet I only get between 2 and
I liked the blinkenlights. I also remember when running my BBS on MS-DOS, the >OS was a lot less busy, so I could sometimes tell what a user was doing based >on the pattern of noise from the hard drive.
On 03-17-19 21:40, Marisag wrote to MRO <=-
@VIA: VERT/AMIGAC
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: MRO to Marisag on Sun Mar 17 2019 20:48:31
well, people arent interested.
I was just making a joke :)
For me, I only have one dedicated machine for my BBS, and I don't have a problem having an extra small PC in the house.. Why not? I prefer having my BBS machine at home, since I can directly manage it as needed. Also, I'm not sure yet if I'd want to pay for something like an Amazon AWS instance.
I don't mind paying the electricity for my BBS machine, as it doesn't use much.
I have a couple web servers running on AWS that cost me about $10 a month, they are EC2 instances, they are pretty cheap because they don't use a lot of processing power.
AWS is pretty nice, and Virtual and Contanerized computing is pretty fascinating, in the end though I think its important to have some of your own hardware too, so that one can be self reliant.
I have a couple web servers running on AWS that cost me about $10 a month, they are EC2 instances, they are pretty cheap because they don't use a lot of processing power.
I'm familiar with AWS, but I'm not sure I'd want to pay that for an AWS server for my BBS. I think the electricity for my BBS machine at home costs less than that..
Not always the case. My IP changes once in a while, usually
if/when I update my router (a PC running IPFire) and reboot it.
P.S. - Your SHIFT key is broken.
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Mar 19 2019 11:10 pm
this is why running it home is for chumps. you arent going through the
You contribute nothing to a conversation,
you constantly put people down,
you talk as if you are on drugs and just are an overall awful person to everyone.
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: MRO to Dmxrob on Tue Mar 19 2019 11:00 pm
well, i run my bbses and other things on a hosted server and i love it. it's not in the house, it's always up and it's not eating up electricity. i have great speed and i can get gigabit, i just dont want the hassle of running it at home anymore.
Running a BBS at home isn't a big hassle, IMO. And it doesn't take up much space and doesn't use much electricity. It's not like running a bitcoin mining farm or something..
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: Dream Master to Dan Clough on Wed Mar 20 2019 09:09 am
I want to add my two cents to this one. I am not a fan of non-asymetrical internet speed. I pay for 250Mbps internet, yet I only get between 2 and 5Mbps upstream. This is fine for basic utilization, but when you are trying to run a webserver or anything of "real value", or even trying to upload anything to the internet, takes forever.
And I remember clearly, seemingly not too long ago, drooling over the fantasy of a "T1 line" (1.5 Mbps)! Now 2-5Mbps just takes forever! We're so spoiled. :-)
Dream Master wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Very interesting and cool. But.... what I'm really asking is -
why run the VM on Linode, instead of a dedicated machine (or a VM)
at home? Is it because of sub-standard cable-internet access, or
something else? Why incur the cost of the Linode service?
I want to add my two cents to this one. I am not a fan of
non-asymetrical internet speed. I pay for 250Mbps internet, yet
I only get between 2 and 5Mbps upstream. This is fine for basic utilization, but when you are trying to run a webserver or
anything of "real value", or even trying to upload anything to
the internet, takes forever. Maybe I'm guilty of having very
high speed asymentrical links at the office, but running
something at home that doesn't offer the same performance, that's pathetic.
DaiTengu wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Very interesting and cool. But.... what I'm really asking is -
why run the VM on Linode, instead of a dedicated machine (or a VM)
at home? Is it because of sub-standard cable-internet access, or
something else? Why incur the cost of the Linode service?
The linode costs me about $20 a month, the price is negligable,
and I could easily cut that in half or even a quarter if I really
needed to.
Having it on a gigabit connection with network redundancies so I
don't have to worry about it is a huge reason it's there. Not to
mention I'm really just out of spare computers in my home to run
things on. I have a 40TB file server in my basement, another PC
acting as my router, A devbox (basically my old desktop that I
tossed Gentoo on and I do all my development/scripting/git
checkins with) a few laptops and my desktop (along with the
wife's computer, laptop, and countless wifi devices/IOT devices
like phones, tablets, TVs, game consoles, etc.).
While I have 300mbit down and 20mbit up with Spectrum, the
service has been flakey as fuck ever since my area was acquired
by Charter. I also would like to leave as few ports open as
possible on my home network. Oh, and finally I work on all these
machines. I test stuff, I reboot things. I install crazy bits of
software, I don't want to have to worry about keeping a service
up around my tinkering. $20 a month is worth it to me for that.
Dmxrob wrote to MRO <=-
this is why running it home is for chumps. you arent going through the
You contribute nothing to a conversation, you constantly put
people down, you talk as if you are on drugs and just are an
overall awful person to everyone.
On 03-19-19 12:59, Dream Master wrote to Dan Clough <=-
There's two sides to this... first, do you really want everything in
the house? I had a server farm in the basement years ago and if it
wasn't the wife complaining about the noise or the increased electrical utilization, it was me missing all the time when I was working on the
hardware. But, what really is commercial hosting? I run most of my servers on AWS. The cost is manageable, reliable, redundant, and gives
me the same flexibility if I were to run it at the office with all my servers, storage, and N+1 redundancy.
On 03-19-19 12:56, Digital Man wrote to Dream Master <=-
Answer: Raspberry Pi (or other low-power-consuming / low-footprint / low-noise platforms).
I do find the challenge of 100% remote installation and management to
be a fun thing to chase (a Linux/bash console definitely helps), but I don't feel like I'm running a "BBS" when it's not in my own home. So I self-host everything. <shrug>
On 03-19-19 14:18, Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-
I feel the same about running a BBS. Part of the fun of running a BBS
was being able to run it at home using a regular desktop PC (as opposed to, say, a big server PC where we'd have to go to an office to manage).
That seemed especially true back in the late 80s and 90s, when it was more rare for people to even have a PC at home.
On 03-19-19 19:51, Dan Clough wrote to Dream Master <=-
Those are all valid points, I suppose. Usually the noise can be reduced/handled, and the electrical use is negligible, to me. My
wife doesn't mind much, it's my hobby and keeps me in the house.
:)
On 03-19-19 20:25, Nightfox wrote to Dream Master <=-
I liked the blinkenlights. I also remember when running my BBS on
MS-DOS, the OS was a lot less busy, so I could sometimes tell what a
user was doing based on the pattern of noise from the hard drive.
On 03-20-19 09:09, Dream Master wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I want to add my two cents to this one. I am not a fan of
non-asymetrical internet speed. I pay for 250Mbps internet, yet I only get between 2 and 5Mbps upstream. This is fine for basic utilization,
but when you are trying to run a webserver or anything of "real value",
or even trying to upload anything to the internet, takes forever.
Maybe I'm guilty of having very high speed asymentrical links at the office, but running something at home that doesn't offer the same performance, that's pathetic.
On 03-20-19 09:47, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I actually enjoy building PCs and upgrading them. Sure it's a bit frustrating when things fail, but that's just life.
If I ran a business and uptime was more critical, then I'd probably consider using something in the cloud..
On 03-20-19 14:47, Digital Man wrote to Dream Master <=-
And I remember clearly, seemingly not too long ago, drooling over the fantasy of a "T1 line" (1.5 Mbps)! Now 2-5Mbps just takes forever!
We're so spoiled. :-)
On 03-20-19 19:18, Dumas Walker wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-he
@VIA: VERT/CAPCITY2
I liked the blinkenlights. I also remember when running my BBS on MS-DOS,
OS was a lot less busy, so I could sometimes tell what a user was doing based
on the pattern of noise from the hard drive.
Especially on an MFM/RLL drive on an XT clone. :) They made all sorts
of mechanical sounds.
Dmxrob wrote to MRO <=-
this is why running it home is for chumps. you arent going through the
You contribute nothing to a conversation, you constantly put
people down, you talk as if you are on drugs and just are an
overall awful person to everyone.
<^^^>
The above is the offline-mail-reader equivalent of the Synchronet
"UP-VOTE" function. ;-)
There's pros and cons to each approach. Better broadband has enabled me to run BBSs at home, and some cleap hobbyist VPN work to get me a /29, so each BBS can have its own public IP. I could have done that through my ISP directly, but it would have literally cost 10 times as much.
All right, good points, I guess. My home internet upload speeds
are quite a bit higher than that, and I don't run much other stuff
that needs bandwidth. The BBS bandwidth requirements are quite
low, certainly WELL within acceptable performance levels for me.
I can see how others with more bandwidth needs, and/or lesser
connection speeds might be better off with a commercial host.
On 03-20-19 22:29, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
well there's another thing you should consider. if you are running one
or more servers that's going to open you to even more attackers hitting you every day, all day. if you have enough bots and attackers hitting you, that can cause issues with your connection.
i know when i used to seed torrents on a residential ip, i had plenty
of bandwidth, but having all those open connections caused a big drag.
MRO wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Not always the case. My IP changes once in a while, usually
if/when I update my router (a PC running IPFire) and reboot it.
bulshit
P.S. - Your SHIFT key is broken.
fuck off.
Dumas Walker wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
I liked the blinkenlights. I also remember when running my BBS on MS-DOS, the
OS was a lot less busy, so I could sometimes tell what a user was doing based
on the pattern of noise from the hard drive.
Especially on an MFM/RLL drive on an XT clone. :) They made all
sorts of mechanical sounds.
I liked the blinkenlights. I also remember when running my BBS on MS-DOS, the >OS was a lot less busy, so I could sometimes tell what a user was doing based >on the pattern of noise from the hard drive.
Especially on an MFM/RLL drive on an XT clone. :) They made all sorts of mechanical sounds.
Great news - everybody in the world who wants a BBS of their own has
one! There are no people remaining ;) At least that is what i gather
about my free hosting offer so it must be true...
well, people arent interested.
---
I also loved how they used to put a "Turbo" button on the front of
the XT cases...
Digital Man wrote to Dream Master <=-
And I remember clearly, seemingly not too long ago, drooling over the fantasy of a "T1 line" (1.5 Mbps)! Now 2-5Mbps just takes forever!
We're so spoiled. :-)
I was thinking about my first DSL line - a 768k/384k line almost 20
years ago. Seemed like a dream at the time... :)
Ahhhh, the memories. Seagate ST-225 and ST-238. What a beautiful
symphony they made! :)
Nightfox wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I also loved how they used to put a "Turbo" button on the front of
the XT cases...
AT cases had those too. I remember the turbo buttons being
around up through the 486 days, maybe on some Pentium systems
too? I think it was around then when the turbo button started to disappear.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Ahhhh, the memories. Seagate ST-225 and ST-238. What a beautiful
symphony they made! :)
The ST-4096 was what I always coveted -- 80 megabytes of
full-height, binary goodness!
I wish I'd saved archives from back then - but I was making a
pittance and running a BBS off of cast-off hardware.
Ahhhh, the memories. Seagate ST-225 and ST-238. What a beautiful
symphony they made! :)
I also loved how they used to put a "Turbo" button on the front of
the XT cases...
Especially on an MFM/RLL drive on an XT clone. :) They made all sorts of mechanical sounds.
Now I'm nostalgic remembering those hard drives. Even had to learn to use dos >debug to low level format a hard drive before you could do a regular format. >Or figuring out which pins to close or not close, serial port hard ware >configuration (again which pins).
oh boy new boy dan has another member of the hate mro fan club. you guys should
go dutch rudder now
This is where I have a huge issue. I have friends living in my basement (she's
a single mother of four children) meaning I, for half the month, have eleven >people living in my house. Everyone consumes internet resouces like its going >out of style. Some months, 1.7TB, other months, 1.3TB, I can't win. Running >on AWS was the best option even though I knew that hosting in the house >wouldn't be a killer, I just hate slowdowns.
Now, that accounts for 5 people in your house. Are the other 6 your family? I grew up in a family of 7... oldest of 5 kids and only son... with other assorted folks sometimes in and out. It made for difficulty getting a free phone line, or bathroom, but I was out of the house before there were Internet use issues. :)
Ahhhh, the memories. Seagate ST-225 and ST-238. What a beautiful symphony they made! :)
I also loved how they used to put a "Turbo" button on the front of
the XT cases...
I believe that mine has a 238.
It has been a while since the case has been
off for me to remember. It does not have the button, and it was a long time before I finally figured out I could shift it by keystroke. :)
Digital Man wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: Dumas Walker to DAN CLOUGH on Fri Mar 22 2019 06:08 pm
Ahhhh, the memories. Seagate ST-225 and ST-238. What a beautiful symphony they made! :)
I also loved how they used to put a "Turbo" button on the front of
the XT cases...
I believe that mine has a 238.
IIRC, the ST-238 was the 30MB (RLL) version of the 20MB (MFM)
ST-225. Same physical media, different encoding/decoding method.
It has been a while since the case has been
off for me to remember. It does not have the button, and it was a long time before I finally figured out I could shift it by keystroke. :)
What was that keystroke?
I believe that mine has a 238.
IIRC, the ST-238 was the 30MB (RLL) version of the 20MB (MFM) ST-225. Same physical media, different encoding/decoding method.
It has been a while since the case has been
off for me to remember. It does not have the button, and it was a long time >> before I finally figured out I could shift it by keystroke. :)
What was that keystroke?
oh boy new boy dan has another member of the hate mro fan club. you guys should
go dutch rudder now
Unleash the bot-net on them! :D
This is where I have a huge issue. I have friends living in my basement (she's
a single mother of four children) meaning I, for half the month, have eleven >people living in my house. Everyone consumes internet resouces like its going >out of style. Some months, 1.7TB, other months, 1.3TB, I can't win. Running >on AWS was the best option even though I knew that hosting in the house >wouldn't be a killer, I just hate slowdowns.
For some of us, home hosting is great but I am glad that folks have other alternatives. Even though I don't use it, I am glad we have sysops like Marisag who are willing to host stuff for their fellow hobbiests, too.
Now, that accounts for 5 people in your house. Are the other 6 your
family? I grew up in a family of 7... oldest of 5 kids and only son...
with other assorted folks sometimes in and out. It made for difficulty getting a free phone line, or bathroom, but I was out of the house before there were Internet use issues. :)
It has been a while since the case has been
off for me to remember. It does not have the button, and it was a long time before I finally figured out I could shift it by keystroke. :)
What was that keystroke?
I think some computers (but not all) responded to Ctrl/Alt/- and
Ctrl/Alt/+ .
Now, that accounts for 5 people in your house. Are the other 6 your
family? I grew up in a family of 7... oldest of 5 kids and only son...
with other assorted folks sometimes in and out. It made for difficulty getting a free phone line, or bathroom, but I was out of the house before there were Internet use issues. :)
What was that keystroke?
I think some computers (but not all) responded to Ctrl/Alt/- and
Ctrl/Alt/+ .
oh boy, that bathroom must be overworked. must be hard to get in when there's an emergency.
i'm glad i only had 1 kid.
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sat Mar 23 2019 01:32 pm
oh boy, that bathroom must be overworked. must be hard to get in when there's an emergency.
i'm glad i only had 1 kid.
I have three bathrooms... I'm good. The other family uses the downstairs bathroom, my kids use theirs, and the wife and I use ours. It works.
Trust me, there are times when I wish I had one more.
I also loved how they used to put a "Turbo" button on the front of
the XT cases...
AT cases had those too. I remember the turbo buttons being
around up through the 486 days, maybe on some Pentium systems
oh yeah i forgot about my powerful bbs botnet. i wonder what happened to mr proper. he would love to jump in right now.
oh boy, that bathroom must be overworked. must be hard to get in when there's an emergency.
i'm glad i only had 1 kid.
My wife and I have four biological children (12 to 19). The five that our >living in my basement, well, they are friends of ours. The mom was down on her
luck after a nasty divorce. She has four children, twin 5 year old boys a 10 >and a 12 year old.
She grew up and married ultra-Christian Conservative
causing her to know how to do nothing for herself. My wife and I "re-trained" >her. :)
oh yeah i forgot about my powerful bbs botnet. i wonder what happened to mr proper. he would love to jump in right now.
I dunno, he just sort of disappeared. I don't see him in the other nets I read, either.
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: Dan Clough to Nightfox on Thu Mar 21 2019 08:32 pm
I also loved how they used to put a "Turbo" button on the front of
the XT cases...
AT cases had those too. I remember the turbo buttons being
around up through the 486 days, maybe on some Pentium systems
What was the purpose of those Turbo buttons? Who would want to run is (Slow Mode) lol . I beleive it was because some software didn't like Turbo which m no sense to me back then. If it didn't run in Turbo Mode I just didn't use i
Heliarc
... Mistrust first impulses, they are always good.
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Fri Mar 22 2019 06:51 pm
This is where I have a huge issue. I have friends living in my basement (she's
a single mother of four children) meaning I, for half the month, have eleven >people living in my house. Everyone consumes internet resouces like its going >out of style. Some months, 1.7TB, other months, 1.3TB, I can't win. Running >on AWS was the best option even though I knew that hosting in the house >wouldn't be a killer, I just hate slowdowns.
Digital Man wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I think some computers (but not all) responded to Ctrl/Alt/- and
Ctrl/Alt/+ .
Oh, that does ring a bell!
Dream Master wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
As I was an only child, I made sure that I had my own phone lines
growing up. Voice and BBSing. I swear I was the only pre-teen and teen who had that. :)
Heliarc wrote to Dan Clough <=-
What was the purpose of those Turbo buttons? Who would want to run is (Slow Mode) lol . I beleive it was because some software didn't like
Turbo which made no sense to me back then. If it didn't run in Turbo
Mode I just didn't use it.
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Fri Mar 22 2019 06:51 pm
This is where I have a huge issue. I have friends living in my basement (she's
a single mother of four children) meaning I, for half the month, have eleven >people living in my house. Everyone consumes internet resouces like its going >out of style. Some months, 1.7TB, other months, 1.3TB, I can't win. Running >on AWS was the best option even though I knew that hosting in the house >wouldn't be a killer, I just hate slowdowns.
A decent router can run DD-WRT, and do some sort of traffic shaping.
I'd put a separate SSID up there, run controls on the "public" SSID
and keep the unrestricted SSID to myself. :)
Heliarc wrote to Dan Clough <=-
What was the purpose of those Turbo buttons? Who would want to run is (Slow Mode) lol . I beleive it was because some software didn't like Turbo which made no sense to me back then. If it didn't run in Turbo Mode I just didn't use it.
Mostly for games - many were directly tied to clock speed back then
and would play too fast. I was coding and BBSing back then, I think I
glued my turbo button down.
Heliarc wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I also loved how they used to put a "Turbo" button on the front of
the XT cases...
AT cases had those too. I remember the turbo buttons being
around up through the 486 days, maybe on some Pentium systems
What was the purpose of those Turbo buttons? Who would want to
run is (Slow Mode) lol . I beleive it was because some software
didn't like Turbo which made no sense to me back then. If it
didn't run in Turbo Mode I just didn't use it.
that's still a rough way for the kids to grow up. do they have programs in the state to get her job training and a place to live?
and does she get decent child support payments and alimony?
to download 1.7TB there must be some serious downloading going on. i dont even think streaming can get that high for a month.
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: Dan Clough to Nightfox on Thu Mar 21 2019 08:32 pm
I also loved how they used to put a "Turbo" button on the front of
the XT cases...
AT cases had those too. I remember the turbo buttons being
around up through the 486 days, maybe on some Pentium systems
What was the purpose of those Turbo buttons?
Re: All bbs's now exist...
By: MRO to Dream Master on Sat Mar 23 2019 08:35 pm
that's still a rough way for the kids to grow up. do they have programs in the state to get her job training and a place to live?
and does she get decent child support payments and alimony?
It is. Her children are "good" but you can see how the divorce and other aspects of the childrens upbringing affects them. For example, the oldest son stays in his room all hours of day and night and plays XBox instead of going outside, riding a bike, playing, basically, being a kid. All four of them look like they will eventually have weight problems. For the mom, she is going to school to become a nurse but she is all over the place and looking for love in all the wrong places.
Child Support -- Yeah, about $350/mo. He makes more than enough but hides his income from the court.
hopefully some day he will conquor his demons. he's in his 40s so times >running out, i think. i'm glad i never got into drugs. it's a slippery slope. >i'd rather be miserable than take a drug to make me feel great for a short time
at a high cost.
MRO wrote to Dream Master <=-
wow i paid more than that for 1 kid. maybe they can get some info from
the IRS and take him back into court.
hopefully some day he will conquor his demons. he's in his 40s so times >running out, i think. i'm glad i never got into drugs. it's a slippery slope. >i'd rather be miserable than take a drug to make me feel great for a short time
at a high cost.
Me too. Smoking also. It amazes me when I meet some people and assume
they are older than I am (almost 50) only to find out they are about 10 years younger. Smoking really ages people, especially if they started when they were in their teens.
What was the purpose of those Turbo buttons? Who would want to run is (Slow >Mode) lol . I beleive it was because some software didn't like Turbo which made
no sense to me back then. If it didn't run in Turbo Mode I just didn't use it.
It all depends on a lot of factors, I'm sure you've seen a Dissomaster report. Cost of medical insurance if required by the court and
percentage of time, as well as how much each parent makes goes into
the decision.
The courts are a tough call; family court is a one-person show, no
jury. Get a judge on a bad day and things could go sideways - and
there isn't much recourse. And, chances are you're going to be in
front of the same judge later.
back when i was in family court in the mid 90's they didnt give a fuck. you had to pay 25% of your income AND provide insurance, and anything else the judge felt like adding.
Now it's a bit more structured, they rely on dissomasters pretty heavily. The courts are booked, and the last thing they want is another fight. If they can get people to agree on a set equation, all the better for everyone.
What was the purpose of those Turbo buttons?
To run the 8MHz XT at 4.77MHz for original PC software to run on at XT at the same speed as the original PC. After the XT, the Turbo Button was just a gimmick.
POROSZ wrote to DIGITAL MAN <=-
What was the purpose of those Turbo buttons?
To run the 8MHz XT at 4.77MHz for original PC software to run on at XT at the same speed as the original PC. After the XT, the Turbo Button was just a gimmick.
Haha... So, that button /slowed/ the CPU down by about half.
Pressing that button would not make that machine go any faster...
I knew people that had the button on all the time, while complaining that the PC was not fast enough, and the turbo button didn't seem to
help at all; some story for nerds.
Just a square button called turbo, on the front of the PC case.
(TURBO MODE)
Yep. :-) I remember those. Did you ever try to run an original game
in full speed?
Hehe you are too right...
...About what...?
<No quoting, no context>
Yes, it definitely helps to quote the message, or part of the message you're replying to. In the past few years or so I've noticed more replies without quoting.. It can be hard to follow what is being said without quoting in a reply.
And I remember clearly, seemingly not too long ago, drooling
over the fantasy of a "T1 line" (1.5 Mbps)! Now 2-5Mbps just
takes forever! We're so spoiled. :-)
I liked the blinkenlights. I also remember when running my BBS on
MS-DOS, the OS was a lot less busy, so I could sometimes tell what
a user was doing based on the pattern of noise from the hard drive.
Especially on an MFM/RLL drive on an XT clone. :) They made all sorts of mechanical sounds.
just hit the '*' when connected to a sbbs system and bring up the thread tree... then you can see the messages and easily key them in to jump back and forth ;)
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