• Is using a dial-up ISP feasable in 2020?

    From Stormy@VERT/FINALZON to All on Fri Sep 18 17:38:06 2020
    Hello,

    I have been thinking abot using a Dial-Up ISP for a few days and I would like to give it a try for a month or two.

    The primary purpose behind this idea is that if I force myself to use a Dial-Up connection, I will be forced to stay off big sites like youtube and the like. My hope being that I will eventually break this addiction to watching Youtube videos that I have.

    If all I do is go to simple websites, use IRC channels, or browse the gopherspace, then would it be feasable to use a dial-up connection as a main home internet solution.

    Anything else could be done at a coffee shop or internet cafe.

    I would love to hear all of your thoughts on this.
    Ian Sutter - A Slackware Linux user

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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Stormy on Sat Sep 19 12:43:00 2020
    Stormy wrote to All <=-

    Hello,

    I have been thinking abot using a Dial-Up ISP for a few days and I
    would like to give it a try for a month or two.

    The primary purpose behind this idea is that if I force myself to use a Dial-Up connection, I will be forced to stay off big sites like youtube and the like. My hope being that I will eventually break this addiction
    to watching Youtube videos that I have.

    If all I do is go to simple websites, use IRC channels, or browse the gopherspace, then would it be feasable to use a dial-up connection as a main home internet solution.

    Anything else could be done at a coffee shop or internet cafe.

    I would love to hear all of your thoughts on this.
    Ian Sutter - A Slackware Linux user

    Can you not throttle your network connection somehow?

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  • From Kurisu@VERT/FINALZON to Stormy on Fri Sep 18 21:09:51 2020
    Re: Is using a dial-up ISP feasable in 2020?
    By: Stormy to All on Fri Sep 18 2020 05:38 pm

    Totally is usable, for at least more straightforward stuff like you describe. Juno and NetZero offer free 10 hour a month plans which could prove useful for some basic browsing where it counts, and to have that dial-up experience.
    _____
    Kurisu Yamato - www.xadara.com

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Stormy on Fri Sep 18 23:19:49 2020
    Re: Is using a dial-up ISP feasable in 2020?
    By: Stormy to All on Fri Sep 18 2020 05:38 pm

    Hello,

    I have been thinking abot using a Dial-Up ISP for a few days and I would like to give it a try for a month or two.

    that sounds stupid.

    how bad is your 'addiction'? is it affecting your life?
    is it really a problem for you?


    what ways is it disrupting your life?
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Stormy on Sat Sep 19 19:58:00 2020
    On 09-18-20 17:38, Stormy wrote to All <=-

    I have been thinking abot using a Dial-Up ISP for a few days and I
    would like to give it a try for a month or two.

    If all I do is go to simple websites, use IRC channels, or browse the gopherspace, then would it be feasable to use a dial-up connection as a main home internet solution.

    Sadly, very few websites are usable on dialup these days - the vast majority contain heaps of crud. But IRC, definitely, same for Gopher. Those two should continue to work well on dialup.

    You will also want to make sure you have nothing that "phones home" and sucks your bandwidth.

    Anything else could be done at a coffee shop or internet cafe.

    These days, I prefer to be more self reliant. I carry a 4G hotspot for when I'm away from home and want to do heavier Internet surfing than the phone would do. One has to be very careful when using shared wifi. Much of my traffic when out can be routed via home using my ZeroTier VLAN, if need be. But that wouldn't work if one has dialup at home.


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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to MRO on Sat Sep 19 21:53:00 2020
    MRO wrote to Stormy <=-

    Re: Is using a dial-up ISP feasable in 2020?
    By: Stormy to All on Fri Sep 18 2020 05:38 pm

    Hello,

    I have been thinking abot using a Dial-Up ISP for a few days and I would like to give it a try for a month or two.

    that sounds stupid.

    how bad is your 'addiction'? is it affecting your life?
    is it really a problem for you?


    Add these lines to your /etc/hosts, or whatever Windows uses for hosts
    0.0.0.0 youtube.com
    0.0.0.0 www.facebook.com
    0.0.0.0 www.twitter.com

    And so on, for anything you don't want to access

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dennisk on Sat Sep 19 10:22:58 2020
    Re: Is using a dial-up ISP fe
    By: Dennisk to MRO on Sat Sep 19 2020 09:53 pm


    how bad is your 'addiction'? is it affecting your life?
    is it really a problem for you?


    Add these lines to your /etc/hosts, or whatever Windows uses for hosts 0.0.0.0 youtube.com
    0.0.0.0 www.facebook.com


    wrong guy and i know about the hosts file.
    i like youtube and using facebook to argue with liberals.
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  • From Stormy@VERT/FINALZON to MRO on Sat Sep 19 10:12:08 2020
    Re: Is using a dial-up ISP feasable in 2020?
    By: MRO to Stormy on Fri Sep 18 2020 11:19 pm

    that sounds stupid.

    no offense intended, but I definitely don't claim to be the master of logic or reason, rather I am the reverse due to some rather fun mental conditions.

    logic and reason don't really occur in my brain very often.

    how bad is your 'addiction'? is it affecting your life?
    is it really a problem for you?

    my issue here is that I default to watching youtube videos when I should be doing other things. This has caused me to turn college assignments in late among other things. I fail to carry out the majority of my responsibilities and this issue (along with some othe major issues) seems to have turned my life into a bit of a mess (although I think it has always been a mess in one way or another).

    basically, I have no life or soul to speak of.

    I love learning things. I have wanted to learn about things such as programming and the administration of UNIX-based or UNIX-like systems for quite a while (and have learned a fair bit, however, there is still quite a lot that I am lacking in terms of knowledge and experience). Unfortuntely, Whenever I sit down at my computer with the intention of doing something productive, I default to openning a web browser and watching news videos on youtube.

    is my idea of using dial-up internet a stupid idea, yeah it most definitely could be, however, at the very least, it would be a fun experiment. If it solves certain problems, then great; if it doesn't, then I need to move on to the next idea.

    I would love to hear any ideas that you might have that could help me solve or improve this, however, please bear in mind that I just don't have the mental energy to implement most of the things that people would suggest. My brain has been extremly tired for the past few years, I barely have the energy to think, and I certainly don't have the energy to think on a high-functioning level like I used to.

    Anyways, I hope I haven't been rude in this post. I hope you have a good rest of your day.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Stormy on Sat Sep 19 06:07:00 2020
    Stormy wrote to All <=-

    Anything else could be done at a coffee shop or internet cafe.

    I would love to hear all of your thoughts on this.
    Ian Sutter - A Slackware Linux user

    If you're a linux user, you could just stick to a text-mode console
    with your existing network connection? Cruise gopherspace, check your
    email with PINE or MUTT, check important web sites with Lynx without
    the temptation of graphics, write text again, check out IRC, and call
    BBSes, of course. No GUI means no graphical web browser, and no
    YouTube.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Stormy on Sat Sep 19 15:03:07 2020
    Re: Is using a dial-up ISP feasable in 2020?
    By: Stormy to MRO on Sat Sep 19 2020 10:12 am

    Re: Is using a dial-up ISP feasable in 2020?
    By: MRO to Stormy on Fri Sep 18 2020 11:19 pm

    that sounds stupid.

    no offense intended, but I definitely don't claim to be the master of logic or reason, rather I am the reverse due to some rather fun mental conditions.

    logic and reason don't really occur in my brain very often.

    how bad is your 'addiction'? is it affecting your life?
    is it really a problem for you?

    my issue here is that I default to watching youtube videos when I should be doing other things. This has caused me to turn college assignments in late among other things. I fail to carry out the majority of my responsibilities and this issue (along with some othe major issues) seems to have turned my life into a bit of a mess (although I think it has always been a mess in one way or another).


    you sound like you have some form of depression and some sort of dissociative disorder. and maybe some adhd.

    i would suggest focusing on one thing and practice self correction. do not give in to distractions.

    if something you are doing is bad for you, stop doing it.
    i'm not an expert on drugs but i know a lot of the times medications dont work for people.

    you are a real person, you have a soul and you matter. the way you feel now is your brain and your body telling you that you are doing things the wrong way.
    give yourself a set time for recreation and follow it. watch your videos or read then. dont go past your set time.

    once you get focused and be sucessful you will reap the benefits.
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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Stormy on Sat Sep 19 15:58:47 2020
    Re: Is using a dial-up ISP feasable in 2020?
    By: Stormy to MRO on Sat Sep 19 2020 10:12 am

    I would love to hear any ideas that you might have that could help me solve or improve this, however, please bear in mind that I just don't have the mental energy to implement most of the things that people would suggest. My brain has been extremly tired for the past few years, I barely have the energy to think, and I certainly don't have the energy to think on a high-functioning level like I used to.

    You need to learn how to negotiate with yourself. Start by picking one thing a day - one low hanging fruit that you want to see done. It doesn't have to be a full task (ie if you need to put the laundry away, maybe start by getting yourself to pull it out of the dryer today. Moving the basket can wait until tomorrow, folding it can be next week). Do that thing, then don't worry about what you do for the rest of the day, beating yourself up about it takes up a surprising amount of that energy.

    If you can do that to start, you'll start getting in a better mental space and start finding a bit more energy, then you can increase the complexity or number of tasks you want to complete in a day - as you get into better headspace where you're not beating yourself up you can start getting energy and dopamine hits from accomplishing things. At that point you can spiral up and build on momentum. But to get there, be willing to start small and be kind to yourself.

    Once you get into a low spot mentally and emotionally, it takes time to climb back out. Be kind to yourself, but hold yourself to doing that one thing a day and soon that will become much more.
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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Stormy on Sat Sep 19 15:33:00 2020
    09-18-20 17:38 Stormy wrote to All about Is using a dial-up ISP fe
    Howdy! Ian,

    @VIA: VERT/FINALZON
    @MSGID: <5F6536CE.2926.dove-general@finalzone.ddns.net>
    Hello,

    I have been thinking abot using a Dial-Up ISP for a few days and I
    would like to give it a try for a month or two.

    The primary purpose behind this idea is that if I force myself to use a Dial-Up connection, I will be forced to stay off big sites like youtube and the like. My hope being that I will eventually break this addiction
    to watching Youtube videos that I have.

    If all I do is go to simple websites, use IRC channels, or browse the gopherspace, then would it be feasable to use a dial-up connection as a main home internet solution.

    Anything else could be done at a coffee shop or internet cafe.

    I would love to hear all of your thoughts on this.
    Ian Sutter - A Slackware Linux user

    My first (web) experience was by calling Juno on Dial-Up.

    Then I learned about FreeWeb (I think it was called that) and used it to
    have a look-see at the internet, until free Services like that shut down.

    Some time later I had a Dial-Up account with a local ISP for a few months.

    I now have a DSL account with my Telephone Company: AT&T.

    A note in this months bill statement said that on 12/01/2020 Dial-Up can
    not be used any longer.

    The DSL works fine here at my home.

    I am going to miss the opportunity to be able to be at someones home who doesn't have any internet access and help them by using their Telephone line
    to Dial In to my Account.

    I've only used Dial-Up to Log On to my DSL Account ONE TIME, that was to help someone who had a new All In One (Printer/Scanner) get some pages about
    using their new toy.

    As I was there I also went to Dell's Support to grab some information for
    the Dell Notebook they used.

    The Files I downloaded for them went on my Notebook, but I had a 3 1/2" USB Floppy Drive (FDD) I used to Copy them from my Notebook and then connected
    the FDD to their computer and Copied those Files to their computer, so they could Print them out OR Read them when they wanted to see them again.

    For some time I have thought about taking a trip to visit someone who lives
    in a Rural Area in another State and using their Phone line to check if
    any Emails came into My Account on the Mail Server that I needed to respond
    to right away while I was Out Of Town, instead of waiting until I got back
    Home to see what came in the In-Box.

    I guess I better make my visit before the end of November if I want "my plan" to work as I want it to.

    I will write AT&T about their recent decision to end Dial-Up Access to their subscribers DSL Account(s).

    They might have thought nobody uses it anymore, which I haven't for a very
    long time.

    Hmmm, When You Don't Use It, You Lose It? I guess.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Kurisu on Sat Sep 19 16:08:00 2020
    09-18-20 21:09 Kurisu wrote to Stormy about Is using a dial-up ISP fe
    Howdy! Kurisu,

    @VIA: VERT/FINALZON
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    Re: Is using a dial-up ISP feasable in 2020?
    By: Stormy to All on Fri Sep 18 2020 05:38 pm

    Totally is usable, for at least more straightforward stuff like you describe. Juno and NetZero offer free 10 hour a month plans which could prove useful for some basic browsing where it counts, and to have that dial-up experience. _____
    Kurisu Yamato - www.xadara.com

    I used Dial-Up for both Juno and NetZero until they ended Dial-Up access.

    I couldn't check Juno or NetZero to see if anything was in my In-Box for a short period of time, when I didn't have Internet Access.

    When I visited someone with a Internet Account, I did ask permission to
    use their computer to see if any EMail had came in.

    (I know they could see me drooling when they used their computer)

    I still have those Juno and NetZero Email Accounts but don't check them
    as regularly as I used to do, since I now use the DSL Email Address primarily for Email.

    I learned that I should Check Email again within 90 Days after I Logged Off
    of My Juno and NetZero Email Accounts or the Account will be marked INACTIVE.

    I usually don't see Email from anyone in either of those account because I tried telling everybody to write me at the DSL Email Address.

    Most times all I see in those In-Box's are messages from Juno or NetZero.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Stormy on Sun Sep 20 11:02:00 2020
    Stormy wrote to MRO <=-

    Re: Is using a dial-up ISP feasable in 2020?
    By: MRO to Stormy on Fri Sep 18 2020 11:19 pm

    that sounds stupid.

    no offense intended, but I definitely don't claim to be the master of logic or reason, rather I am the reverse due to some rather fun mental conditions.

    logic and reason don't really occur in my brain very often.

    how bad is your 'addiction'? is it affecting your life?
    is it really a problem for you?

    my issue here is that I default to watching youtube videos when I
    should be doing other things. This has caused me to turn college assignments in late among other things. I fail to carry out the
    majority of my responsibilities and this issue (along with some othe
    major issues) seems to have turned my life into a bit of a mess
    (although I think it has always been a mess in one way or another).

    basically, I have no life or soul to speak of.

    I love learning things. I have wanted to learn about things such as programming and the administration of UNIX-based or UNIX-like systems
    for quite a while (and have learned a fair bit, however, there is still quite a lot that I am lacking in terms of knowledge and experience). Unfortuntely, Whenever I sit down at my computer with the intention of doing something productive, I default to openning a web browser and watching news videos on youtube.

    is my idea of using dial-up internet a stupid idea, yeah it most definitely could be, however, at the very least, it would be a fun experiment. If it solves certain problems, then great; if it doesn't,
    then I need to move on to the next idea.

    I would love to hear any ideas that you might have that could help me solve or improve this, however, please bear in mind that I just don't
    have the mental energy to implement most of the things that people
    would suggest. My brain has been extremly tired for the past few years,
    I barely have the energy to think, and I certainly don't have the
    energy to think on a high-functioning level like I used to.

    Anyways, I hope I haven't been rude in this post. I hope you have a
    good rest of your day.

    It sounds like a self-discipline issue, and it won't be fixed with dial up. You'll find something else to distract you. One thing you could do, is run a system where its not an option (such as an older one, or CLI only), but I'm not sure how effective that will be.

    I do have a similar problem. I sit to do something, but have YouTube on, but in the background. Sometimes I download the audio, and listen to it at night in bed before I go to sleep.

    The other thing I would recommend, is physical activity. Go for a walk, or a jog. Serious. I used to do a LOT of walking before I had kids, and it helped a lot. Sometimes for 3 hours at a time. I NEVER came back from a walk MORE mentally tired than when I started. You can download the audio of your YouTube news and listen to it while you walk, if need be. Not hard to do. Kill two birds with one stone.

    Really, I think you should be focusing on discipline and schedules. Set aside some time for videos, and choose which ones you want to watch, if you need to watch them. Walking and listening would be better. Don't be scared to be selective with your new, listen to only the ones you NEED. It's very easy to spend all day watching news, I've seen people fall into that trip. Fear of missing out maybe? Budget some time, then move on. Develop a new habit which works better for you.

    If you want to learn Unix, you can do that largely through a CLI, so maybe when you are doing "unix" stuff, you switch to CLI only. Either way, make it a habit, a ritual. Something like "from 6PM to 7PM I catch up on news while walking", from 7 to 730PM I get the information I want to use to work on Unix, 7:30PM to 9PM I boot my CLI Linux distro and work on that, and so on.

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  • From Static@VERT/SUBCBBS to Vk3jed on Sun Sep 20 01:24:00 2020
    On 19 Sep 2020, Vk3jed said the following...
    Sadly, very few websites are usable on dialup these days - the vast majori contain heaps of crud. But IRC, definitely, same for Gopher. Those two s continue to work well on dialup.

    The times I've tested dialup the WWW situation was greatly improved by masquerading the browser as a mobile client, but even then quite a few sites were just too heavy to use. It also really shows you which sites are very inefficient, where the mobile view is quite simple and should be passable
    on dialup but it still takes a year to load because it's reaching out to a dozen other sites for js code and content and downloading megabytes of garbage and then just not showing it to you.

    You will also want to make sure you have nothing that "phones home" and su your bandwidth.

    Pretty much impossible to prevent on Windows or MacOS these days. I've watched the link with wireshark and even when you tell Win10 you're on a metered connection so it shouldn't waste bandwidth, it still does it far too much.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Static on Sun Sep 20 20:23:00 2020
    On 09-20-20 01:24, Static wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The times I've tested dialup the WWW situation was greatly improved by masquerading the browser as a mobile client, but even then quite a few

    That would help.

    sites were just too heavy to use. It also really shows you which sites
    are very inefficient, where the mobile view is quite simple and should
    be passable on dialup but it still takes a year to load because it's reaching out to a dozen other sites for js code and content and downloading megabytes of garbage and then just not showing it to you.

    Yeah. Modern mobile connections are much faster than dialup, so the need to reduce data isn't as strong, and I wonder if those mobile sites were more about presentation on a small screen than minimising data transfer.

    You will also want to make sure you have nothing that "phones home" and su your bandwidth.

    Pretty much impossible to prevent on Windows or MacOS these days. I've watched the link with wireshark and even when you tell Win10 you're on
    a metered connection so it shouldn't waste bandwidth, it still does it
    far too much.

    As I suspected. :/

    I think dialup now is really only for Linux and text based protocols. :/ IRC still flies on dialup. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Stormy on Sun Sep 20 20:57:00 2020
    On 09-19-20 10:12, Stormy wrote to MRO <=-

    @VIA: VERT/FINALZON
    Re: Is using a dial-up ISP feasable in 2020?
    By: MRO to Stormy on Fri Sep 18 2020 11:19 pm

    that sounds stupid.

    no offense intended, but I definitely don't claim to be the master of logic or reason, rather I am the reverse due to some rather fun mental conditions.

    Those can make life interesting, whether they're neurological differences or mental health issues (or a combination of both!). :)

    my issue here is that I default to watching youtube videos when I
    should be doing other things. This has caused me to turn college assignments in late among other things. I fail to carry out the
    majority of my responsibilities and this issue (along with some othe
    major issues) seems to have turned my life into a bit of a mess
    (although I think it has always been a mess in one way or another).

    ooks like YouTube is an issue. There are ways of blocking YouTube, like putting an entry in your hosts file, so your browser will never find their servers.

    127.0.0.1 youtube.com

    is my idea of using dial-up internet a stupid idea, yeah it most definitely could be, however, at the very least, it would be a fun experiment. If it solves certain problems, then great; if it doesn't,
    then I need to move on to the next idea.

    It might be worth it as an experiment, but I suspect unless you avoid the web altogether, probably frustrating. Text mode protocols will work fine, of course.

    I would love to hear any ideas that you might have that could help me solve or improve this, however, please bear in mind that I just don't
    have the mental energy to implement most of the things that people
    would suggest. My brain has been extremly tired for the past few years,
    I barely have the energy to think, and I certainly don't have the
    energy to think on a high-functioning level like I used to.

    Changing the hosts file on Windows or Linux is atraightforward. But also, you may want to consult a suitably qualified professional. This last paragraph does sound a bit like either depression or burnout, and the distractability might hint at something, possibly a neurological difference, as well. I've been there, done that, got the diagnoses to prove it. :D

    Getting to the bottom of how your brain is working might offer better solutions to manage the distractability and low mental energy levels you're experiencing.

    Anyways, I hope I haven't been rude in this post. I hope you have a
    good rest of your day.

    Not at all.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dennisk on Sun Sep 20 21:04:00 2020
    On 09-20-20 11:02, Dennisk wrote to Stormy <=-

    It sounds like a self-discipline issue, and it won't be fixed with dial up. You'll find something else to distract you. One thing you could

    It's also possible there may be something like ADHD involved

    The other thing I would recommend, is physical activity. Go for a
    walk, or a jog. Serious. I used to do a LOT of walking before I had kids, and it helped a lot. Sometimes for 3 hours at a time. I NEVER
    came back from a walk MORE mentally tired than when I started. You can download the audio of your YouTube news and listen to it while you
    walk, if need be. Not hard to do. Kill two birds with one stone.

    Most definitely! Physical activity can make a huge difference. For me it's a godsend, and I've taken it a lot further than most. :)

    Really, I think you should be focusing on discipline and schedules.
    Set aside some time for videos, and choose which ones you want to
    watch, if you need to watch them. Walking and listening would be
    better. Don't be scared to be selective with your new, listen to only
    the ones you NEED. It's very easy to spend all day watching news, I've seen people fall into that trip. Fear of missing out maybe? Budget
    some time, then move on. Develop a new habit which works better for
    you.

    Whatever the cause of the issue, certainly scheduling and structure will help - have no go times for YouTube, even if someone needs to set that up on the router, or a cron job (for Linux boxes) to disable access via the hosts file

    If you want to learn Unix, you can do that largely through a CLI, so
    maybe when you are doing "unix" stuff, you switch to CLI only. Either way, make it a habit, a ritual. Something like "from 6PM to 7PM I
    catch up on news while walking", from 7 to 730PM I get the information
    I want to use to work on Unix, 7:30PM to 9PM I boot my CLI Linux distro and work on that, and so on.

    Nice structure, and yes CLI is the best way to learn Linux administration.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to VK3JED on Sun Sep 20 09:21:00 2020
    Sadly, very few websites are usable on dialup these days - the vast majority >contain heaps of crud.

    Not only on dial-up, but some of them are not real usable if you are not on
    the same local network as where they are hosted and/or are not using the
    same web browser the developer designed them for.

    I think that some websites are better at slowing down other browsers to a
    crawl than they are at displaying data. :(


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dumas Walker on Mon Sep 21 17:40:00 2020
    On 09-20-20 09:21, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-

    @VIA: VERT/CAPCITY2
    Sadly, very few websites are usable on dialup these days - the vast majority
    contain heaps of crud.

    Not only on dial-up, but some of them are not real usable if you are
    not on the same local network as where they are hosted and/or are not using the same web browser the developer designed them for.

    The latter is getting less common, and the network issue is a case of really poor design.


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  • From malkonix@VERT/MLKNXBBS to Vk3jed on Thu Sep 24 20:05:50 2020
    Re: Re: Is using a dial-up ISP feasable in 2020?
    By: Vk3jed to Stormy on Sun Sep 20 2020 08:57 pm

    @VIA: VERT/FINALZON
    Re: Is using a dial-up ISP feasable in 2020?
    By: MRO to Stormy on Fri Sep 18 2020 11:19 pm

    Hello!
    I follow this youtuber that is experimenting with analog phone line simulator with a arduino, has made a lot of progress

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwtq6AJtfTI
    Hope it help!

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to malkonix on Fri Sep 25 18:57:00 2020
    On 09-24-20 20:05, malkonix wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hello!
    I follow this youtuber that is experimenting with analog phone line simulator with a arduino, has made a lot of progress

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwtq6AJtfTI
    Hope it help!

    While the topic is of interest, the medium is an inconvenient one for me. :(


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