Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: MRO to Zouf on Thu May 20 2021 09:55 am

samsung is just shit. everything they do is shit.
i'm through with samsung phones and tvs.

i have a motorola phone and it works great.

I don't dislike Samsung phones but I feel like they've always been behind the curve from an end user perspective. The technology itself is good and the phones appear to be very well built and feature ric They just seem to lack the polish of Apple phones. I use my phone quite a lot though so I don't really think twice about spending a lot of money on one. Almost everything I do in digital space is on a smart phone now.

Never owned a Samsung TV... I always thought their TVs were meant to be very high quality. I've always went for LG/Sony though but have never ruled out Samsung.

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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Arelor to Zouf on Thu May 20 2021 12:35 pm

I don't remember having a single crash or hang in any of my personal Android they suck.

The main difference for me is that Androids you can find for cheaper. As I a smartphone is going to suck, so you may as well have one that sucks but does

Most phones are Android due to their level of accessiblity. Perhaps I am just a little prejudiced against them because they lack the little extra polish seen in iPhones.

I don't think smartphones suck at all, they represent the single most important and defining technology in the past 12-13 years. I still remember watching in awe in 2013 when a friend pulled out his smartphone and began streaming a live football match while on a car journey. The ability to watch content on YouTube, Netflix, etc... bring up any website or listen to podcasts or do anything online anywhere is nothing short of astounding. I would genuinely struggle without my phone now.

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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Arelor to MRO on Fri May 21 2021 03:09 am

Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 21 2021 01:11 am

Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Thu May 20 2021 07:18 am

it. Braces, mortgage, guitar lessons, all that fun stuff.

I have a $100 Android phone, my daughter has a Chromebook, and my wife desktops. I've got a 10-year old laptop that runs Linux well.

Yeah, Apple products are pretty, but the cost is prohibitive.

... How does this work, is there an orientation?

one thing that i personally have notices is this:

ex girlfriend has a daughter. she needs to have a cellphone to keep in c

iphone was replaced 6 times due to damage from age 10-13
one time it dropped out of her pocket when getting out of the car and scr dropped my android phone hundreds of times. still good.

she got an android phone and a case for it and it wasnt damaged again.

I don't even have cases for mine. A caseless phone you take care off will di before it dies from damage. I say this as somebody whose phones are his hors

I have an old Nokia from the 6000 series which is full of bite marks, has ma screen and scratches all around, and it still works. Similar thing with a No supposed to be an entry, cheap, garbage phone. It costed me about 85 eur. Th are sluggish as heck with it and it has a cracked screen but after 3 years i to be replaced.

Maybe I am just a mean cheapstake, but paying for a case is against my relig reasonably resistent to damage out of the box without the user having to mak investment - and, surprise, most are.

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Phones are pretty resistant to damage. I've seen people with smashed up iPhones that appear to be fully functional despite years of abuse. I always swear by a case and have never brought a "naked" phone out. If I am spending over $700 on a phone cosmetics matter -- I would be realy gutted if I dropped my phone and scraped the ceramic back or dented the metal bezels. I purchased an Apple branded case for my iPhone 12 which was ridiculously overpriced at $50. The case has a MagSafe magnet which works great for wireless charging. I contantly drop my phone on pavements and hardwood floors and there's not even a scratch on the phone. I declined the extra cost of Apple Care because I know the case will keep my phone safe. My previous iPhones are all in pristine condition despite heavy use because I have always invested in high quality cases.

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Re: Re:Smart Phones
By: Zouf to Arelor on Sun May 23 2021 02:49 pm

Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Arelor to Zouf on Thu May 20 2021 12:35 pm

I don't remember having a single crash or hang in any of my personal Andr they suck.

The main difference for me is that Androids you can find for cheaper. As smartphone is going to suck, so you may as well have one that sucks but d

Most phones are Android due to their level of accessiblity. Perhaps I am jus little prejudiced against them because they lack the little extra polish see in iPhones.

I don't think smartphones suck at all, they represent the single most import and defining technology in the past 12-13 years. I still remember watching i awe in 2013 when a friend pulled out his smartphone and began streaming a li football match while on a car journey. The ability to watch content on YouTu Netflix, etc... bring up any website or listen to podcasts or do anything online anywhere is nothing short of astounding. I would genuinely struggle without my phone now.

Smartphones are supposed to be the ultimate portable communication device, and hardware wise there are models more powerful than the computer I am porting from right now. However, they are burdened by lots of artificial barriers.

Namely:

Low quality software.
Programmed Obsolescence.
Vendor Lock-in.
A lack of affordable options for getting actual work done.

I am a bit sore against smartphones because, when they started gaining traction, they released lots of games but there were no good tools for doing encrypted email, which is something you would expect in an Ultimate PortablÃe Comunication Device.

Meanwhile, if you want to integrate your fleet of smartphones and tablets with your custom inventory management system you'll have to roll your own application (which is fine). However, in order to deploy your own application you are either going to have to pay Apple a big chunk for the right to use your own program, or enable sideloading for Android devices with the problems this brings.

The bottom line is when you purchase a smartphonne, you are getting four times the hardware power my computer here has , but the whole thing is so poorly engineered (against the user) that the only things that work properly in it
are trivial leissure activities.

Which is fine if you want to watch My Little Pony in the bus.

But it is not if you want to do inventory accounting.

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engineered (against the user) that the only things that work properly in i are trivial leissure activities.

Some may argue that they are really well suited for privacy invasion and data collection. Those things seem to work well with smart phones of late.

just sayin'

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Re: Re:Smart Phones
By: Arelor to Zouf on Mon May 24 2021 03:52 am

properly in it
are trivial leissure activities.

Which is fine if you want to watch My Little Pony in the bus.

But it is not if you want to do inventory accounting.

cellphones are not meant for cycle counting or doing inventory. they have actual hand held devices for that.
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Re: Re: Smart Phones
By: paulie420 to Zouf on Sun May 23 2021 02:41 pm

I'm jumping in out of the blue. I agree with you that 'Smart Phones' are the

TBH, they are just computers - but the power we've been able to pack into a Internet.

Whats next?

I guess I we are more in awe with the quality of mobile internet that's available nowadays. 4G is nothing short of mindblowing. I have a very stable 4G conection and I don't really do much travelling outside of my city so it's like being on broadband wherever I go. If you'd mentioned something like that to me in 2005 I wouldn't have thought it possible -- back then I was just getting used to home WiFi after being stuck on an Ethernet cable, so I would have been very skeptical of sattelite internet. I have a 5G compatible phone and I sometimes pick up a 5G connection and the download speeds are a huge improvement over 4G. I don't see much of a point in 5G though as most of our content is streamed now rather than downloaded and there is zero buffer time on a 4G connection even on a 1080p video.

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I guess I we are more in awe with the quality of mobile internet that's available nowadays. 4G is nothing short of mindblowing. I have a very stable 4G conection and I don't really do much travelling outside of my city so it's like being on broadband wherever I go. If you'd mentioned something like that to me in 2005 I wouldn't have thought it possible -- back then I was just getting used to home WiFi after being stuck on an Ethernet cable, so I would have been very skeptical of sattelite
internet. I have a 5G compatible phone and I sometimes pick up a 5G connection and the download speeds are a huge improvement over 4G. I
don't see much of a point in 5G though as most of our content is
streamed now rather than downloaded and there is zero buffer time on a
4G connection even on a 1080p video.

Yes, yer right. Without the data stream, these computers in our pockets wouldn't be half as useful. I remember in the early days trying to watch youtube - it wasn't even possible if not on WiFi....

I think that 5G will open up even MORE possibilities and new tech using the bandwidth - so I think its really important. I can't wait to see where we're at in ANOTHER 20 years. :P



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Re: Re:Smart Phones
By: Arelor to Zouf on Mon May 24 2021 03:52 am

Smartphones are supposed to be the ultimate portable communication device, a hardware wise there are models more powerful than the computer I am porting from right now. However, they are burdened by lots of artificial barriers.

Namely:

Low quality software.
Programmed Obsolescence.
Vendor Lock-in.
A lack of affordable options for getting actual work done.

I am a bit sore against smartphones because, when they started gaining traction, they released lots of games but there were no good tools for doing encrypted email, which is something you would expect in an Ultimate Portablà Comunication Device.

Meanwhile, if you want to integrate your fleet of smartphones and tablets wi your custom inventory management system you'll have to roll your own application (which is fine). However, in order to deploy your own applicatio you are either going to have to pay Apple a big chunk for the right to use y own program, or enable sideloading for Android devices with the problems thi brings.

The bottom line is when you purchase a smartphonne, you are getting four tim the hardware power my computer here has , but the whole thing is so poor engineered (against the user) that the only things that work properly in it are trivial leissure activities.

Which is fine if you want to watch My Little Pony in the bus.

But it is not if you want to do inventory accounting.

I would class smartphones as entertainment devices for the most part. Communication is obviously their primary purpose but second to that they are designed to keep you occupied throughout the day. It is really crazy that you can fit so much tech into a handheld device -- processors faster than most modern PCs from 2015/16, cameras which are superior to actual high quality digital cameras and crystal clear high resolution OLED screens with perfect viewing angles.

There probably are modified Android clients for specialist/non-typical users such as yourself. Smartphones are just really small computers, after all... I am pretty sure you can do almost anything on them with the right software. Regular people are quite happy to subscribe to a particular platform and even though it's locked-in there isn't much of a limit to what you can do. I would agree though that productivity isn't something I would want to do on a smartphone. I would probably want an iPad Pro for working on blance sheets and P&Ls.

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Re: Re: Smart Phones
By: paulie420 to Zouf on Mon May 24 2021 10:31 am

Yes, yer right. Without the data stream, these computers in our pockets woul

I think that 5G will open up even MORE possibilities and new tech using the

I remember having a Blackberry Curve back in 2008/09 with a 3G contract and struggling to watch a low-resolution YouTube clip and thinking that this mobile internet crap would never catch on.

I reckon 5G will take over fibre and everything else. Why bother with wires when satellites provide a higher bandwidth and download speed at a much cheaper cost?

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Hello Zouf!

** On Tuesday 25.05.21 - 22:52, Zouf wrote to paulie420:

I remember having a Blackberry Curve back in 2008/09 with a
3G contract and struggling to watch a low-resolution
YouTube clip and thinking that this mobile internet crap
would never catch on.

Maybe early on they didn't have the "detection" of the mobile's
initial speed and assumed a default for everyone?..especially
if launching the vid fromthe mobile's browser. Now, you can
either adjust the resolution (hence bandwidth/quality) the vid
and then watch it. And now, dedicated apps are more likely to
do that kind of adjustment automatically depending on an
initial speedtest.

I reckon 5G will take over fibre and everything else. Why
bother with wires when satellites provide a higher
bandwidth and download speed at a much cheaper cost?

5G wrt speed is fine and dandy in theory - it needs cells at
about every few hundred meters or so. I only see issues of
outtages and high maintenance costs in the future.

The satellite version (aka Starlink) where the tech can escape
earthly weather problems, might succeed better.

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Re: Re: Smart Phones
By: Zouf to paulie420 on Mon May 24 2021 02:13 pm

Re: Re: Smart Phones
By: paulie420 to Zouf on Sun May 23 2021 02:41 pm

I'm jumping in out of the blue. I agree with you that 'Smart Phones' are the

TBH, they are just computers - but the power we've been able to pack into a Internet.

Whats next?

I guess I we are more in awe with the quality of mobile internet that's available nowadays. 4G i
nothing short of mindblowing. I have a very stable 4G conection and I don't really do much
travelling outside of my city so it's like being on broadband wherever I go. If you'd mentioned
something like that to me in 2005 I wouldn't have thought it possible -- back then I was just
getting used to home WiFi after being stuck on an Ethernet cable, so I would have been very
skeptical of sattelite internet. I have a 5G compatible phone and I sometimes pick up a 5G
connection and the download speeds are a huge improvement over 4G. I don't see much of a point i
5G though as most of our content is streamed now rather than downloaded and there is zero buffer
time on a 4G connection even on a 1080p video.

5G is not about speed.

There was an interesting article in Linux Magazine about it.

Afaik 5G is all about so-called edge computing and beamforming.

https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2020/234/Edge-Computing/(offset)/3/(language)/eng-US
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Re: Re: Smart Phones
By: Zouf to paulie420 on Tue May 25 2021 10:52 pm

Re: Re: Smart Phones
By: paulie420 to Zouf on Mon May 24 2021 10:31 am

Yes, yer right. Without the data stream, these computers in our pockets woul

I think that 5G will open up even MORE possibilities and new tech using the

I remember having a Blackberry Curve back in 2008/09 with a 3G contract and struggling to watch
low-resolution YouTube clip and thinking that this mobile internet crap would never catch on.

I reckon 5G will take over fibre and everything else. Why bother with wires when satellites prov
a higher bandwidth and download speed at a much cheaper cost?

At least here:

* Datacaps.
* Connection stability.
* Datacaps.
* Carrier Grade NAT.
* Datacaps.

There is no wired connectivity to my house, and while 4G is available as a home Internet package, I
find myself paying more for a wimax connection and less bandwidth, because wimax does not suffer
any of these problems with the exception of CG-Nat. And Afaik I could get non-mobile CGNATless
connection more easily than a 4G CGNATless subscription.

A big problem with 4G is that ISPs tend to priorize mobile users during bottlenecks. In areas with
lots of summer tourism, you are going to experience a big drop in your home 4g connectivity because
all the foreigner drunktards are hogging the network and their traffic is getting priorized.

5G has a chance of solving this for a while, until they start overloading with Edge Computing
tasks and the ISPs start priorizing critical Edge Computing tasks over your home network package
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Re: Smart Phones
By: Ogg to Zouf on Wed May 26 2021 07:53 am

Hello Zouf!

** On Tuesday 25.05.21 - 22:52, Zouf wrote to paulie420:

I remember having a Blackberry Curve back in 2008/09 with a
3G contract and struggling to watch a low-resolution
YouTube clip and thinking that this mobile internet crap
would never catch on.

Maybe early on they didn't have the "detection" of the mobile's
initial speed and assumed a default for everyone?..especially
if launching the vid fromthe mobile's browser. Now, you can
either adjust the resolution (hence bandwidth/quality) the vid
and then watch it. And now, dedicated apps are more likely to
do that kind of adjustment automatically depending on an
initial speedtest.

I reckon 5G will take over fibre and everything else. Why
bother with wires when satellites provide a higher
bandwidth and download speed at a much cheaper cost?

5G wrt speed is fine and dandy in theory - it needs cells at
about every few hundred meters or so. I only see issues of
outtages and high maintenance costs in the future.

The satellite version (aka Starlink) where the tech can escape
earthly weather problems, might succeed better.

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The phones were running sub-720p resolutions back in 08/09 for YouTube videos so I would have thought 3G would have been suffice. I don't think 3G really began to work as intended until 10/11 because I recall my mobile connection being a lot more stable around then. I think they just lacked cell towers back in the early days.

We'll all be living in megacities in the future anyway so both Starlink and cell towers are going to be viable means of providing 5G to the end-user. Cable WILL absolutely be a thing of the past as the technology is old and maintenence/upkeep is costly.

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Re: Re: Smart Phones
By: Arelor to Zouf on Thu May 27 2021 09:08 am

5G is not about speed.

There was an interesting article in Linux Magazine about it.

Afaik 5G is all about so-called edge computing and beamforming.

https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2020/234/Edge-Computing/(offset)/3/(la --

I always did suspect it was more to do with providing the bandwith to facilitate the IoT rather than giving the consumer ridiculously fast transfer speeds. We are entering the true technotronic era whereby all household applicances, vehicles and smart meters will be sending information to be stored in goverment and corporate databanks.

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Re: Re: Smart Phones
By: Arelor to Zouf on Thu May 27 2021 09:27 am

At least here:

* Datacaps.
* Connection stability.
* Datacaps.
* Carrier Grade NAT.
* Datacaps.

There is no wired connectivity to my house, and while 4G is available as a h find myself paying more for a wimax connection and less bandwidth, because w any of these problems with the exception of CG-Nat. And Afaik I could get no connection more easily than a 4G CGNATless subscription.

A big problem with 4G is that ISPs tend to priorize mobile users during bott lots of summer tourism, you are going to experience a big drop in your home all the foreigner drunktards are hogging the network and their traffic is ge

5G has a chance of solving this for a while, until they start overloading wi tasks and the ISPs start priorizing critical Edge Computing tasks over your

Network technology is always improving so the problem you have are going to be ironed out as the infrastructure becomes more advanced. If the CEO of Starlink is talking about bringing superfast internet to remote places in Africa, I am sure you won't be missed out also. The satellites can be moved when required to areas experiencing high usage to prevent bottlenecks. If you live in a tourist hotspot, I reckon they'll improve the bandwidth by adding satellites to reduce the overall load during the holiday period.

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Maybe it is a geographical difference, but the average smartphone user
in Spain seems to use it for instant messaging, phone calls and a
couple of games at best. I rarely see smartphone users do computing intensive tasks at all, not because they lack powerful phones, but just because that is not something they do on smartphones at all.

There was an article in Hackaday a couple of years back about building a dev/build lab out of free/cheap android phones. The specs are pretty impressive given the cost, and root it, throw a chrooted Linux on it and run VNC and you'd have a decent little *nix environment.

You could do something now with Raspberry Pis, although the architecture difference might cause some problems. I've seen some interesting looking 3d- printed Pi racks and the homelab subreddit has some interesting Pi labs.


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