• Sig

    From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to All on Wed Sep 11 07:34:59 2019
    Any Sig owners here?

    echto

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to echto on Thu Sep 12 09:57:33 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: echto to All on Wed Sep 11 2019 07:34 am

    Any Sig owners here?

    I almost bought a P320, but decided to go with my H&K VP9 instead, it just felt better in my hands.

    I've had my eye on a P229 for years, ever since my friend bought one.



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  • From Arelor@VERT to echto on Thu Sep 12 10:46:41 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: echto to All on Wed Sep 11 2019 07:34 am

    Any Sig owners here?

    echto

    I hope so :-) But I am a revolver guy.

    When I was taking the regulatory training c(o)urse for
    the firearm permit I was stuck with an old Astra from
    the 60s. The damn thing would jam after every two shots
    and I think I learnt more from disassembling and
    assembling the damn thing than from the classes. I
    didn't feel like getting a semi when I was done with
    the classes.

    Back on topic, are you considering to purchase a Sig,
    or are you looking for people to form a Sig fan club?
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  • From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 12 13:46:20 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: DaiTengu to echto on Thu Sep 12 2019 09:57 am

    Any Sig owners here?

    I almost bought a P320, but decided to go with my H&K VP9 instead, it just felt
    better
    in my hands.

    I've had my eye on a P229 for years, ever since my friend bought one.

    My wife and I recently received our P320s back from the voluntary recall and I'm happy to have it back. The P320 is my EDC. My only complaint about the recall is how the firearm cases came back. Both cases looked like they were used as hockey pucks on a sufrace made of 11 gauge roofing nails. Sig replaced the cases with new ones.

    I haven't looked at the HK VP9 yet. I'll have to see if the range I visit hasone to rent. P229s are nice!

    My fallback is a Springfield XD9 Mod 2. It's decent.

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  • From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to Arelor on Thu Sep 12 17:19:08 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Arelor to echto on Thu Sep 12 2019 10:46 am

    I hope so :-) But I am a revolver guy.

    When I was taking the regulatory training c(o)urse for
    the firearm permit I was stuck with an old Astra from
    the 60s. The damn thing would jam after every two shots
    and I think I learnt more from disassembling and
    assembling the damn thing than from the classes. I
    didn't feel like getting a semi when I was done with
    the classes.

    Back on topic, are you considering to purchase a Sig,
    or are you looking for people to form a Sig fan club?

    Interesting bit about the old Astra. :) I can only guess how frustrating that was.

    I'm already a Sig owner and was wondering if there were other Sig owners here in BBS land.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to echto on Fri Sep 13 10:03:00 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: echto to Arelor on Thu Sep 12 2019 05:19 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: Arelor to echto on Thu Sep 12 2019 10:46 am

    I hope so :-) But I am a revolver guy.

    When I was taking the regulatory training c(o)urse for
    the firearm permit I was stuck with an old Astra from
    the 60s. The damn thing would jam after every two shots
    and I think I learnt more from disassembling and
    assembling the damn thing than from the classes. I
    didn't feel like getting a semi when I was done with
    the classes.

    Back on topic, are you considering to purchase a Sig,
    or are you looking for people to form a Sig fan club?

    Interesting bit about the old Astra. :) I can only guess how frustrating th

    I'm already a Sig owner and was wondering if there were other Sig owners her

    I'm sort of interested in that new Sig model that's out, but otherwsie I've
    had good luck with my S&W M&P's.

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  • From Minex@VERT/TDOD to echto on Fri Sep 13 15:41:41 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: echto to All on Wed Sep 11 2019 07:34 am

    Any Sig owners here?

    echto

    I have my conceal carry permit and carry around a Sig 232.

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  • From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to Minex on Sun Sep 15 09:27:49 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Minex to echto on Fri Sep 13 2019 03:41 pm

    I have my conceal carry permit and carry around a Sig 232.

    Good deal!

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to echto on Thu Sep 19 15:21:03 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: echto to Minex on Sun Sep 15 2019 09:27 am

    Re: Sig
    By: Minex to echto on Fri Sep 13 2019 03:41 pm

    I have my conceal carry permit and carry around a Sig 232.

    Good deal!


    No Sigs. I carry a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42.
    For fun I have a micro small 22 5rd revolver, a 22 semi-auto pistol, a crappy cobra .380 semi auto pistol, a mossberg 12g and a mossberg .22 20rd long rifle.... My piece de resistance is a 1967 M1 Carbine.

    Thinking about getting some flavor of .45 but not for carry.
    Maybe a 1911.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

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  • From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to Zombie Mambo on Thu Sep 19 18:42:21 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Thu Sep 19 2019 03:21 pm

    No Sigs. I carry a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42.
    For fun I have a micro small 22 5rd revolver, a 22 semi-auto pistol, a crappy cobra .380 semi auto pistol, a mossberg 12g and a mossberg .22 20rd long rifle.... My piece de resistance is a 1967 M1 Carbine.

    Thinking about getting some flavor of .45 but not for carry.
    Maybe a 1911.

    Nice collection!

    Ruger makes tanks. I'm a mossberg fan as well. My choice for home defense is a mossberg 930 SPX filled with #4 shells. Why #4? Because they were on sale at the time. :)

    My wife and I stick with 9mm because it's cheap. Not as cheap as .22, but cheaper than .45. We were buying ammo from LAX Ammo out of California and taking advantage of their free shipping events when they had them, but we found a place across the bridge in Oregon that has great ammo deals so thats become our turn to place for ammo. Another bonus, no sales tax.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to echto on Fri Sep 20 00:52:00 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: echto to Zombie Mambo on Thu Sep 19 2019 06:42 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Thu Sep 19 2019 03:21 pm

    No Sigs. I carry a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42.
    For fun I have a micro small 22 5rd revolver, a 22 semi-auto pistol, a crappy cobra .380 semi auto pistol, a mossberg 12g and a mossberg .22 20r long rifle.... My piece de resistance is a 1967 M1 Carbine.

    Thinking about getting some flavor of .45 but not for carry.
    Maybe a 1911.

    Nice collection!

    Ruger makes tanks. I'm a mossberg fan as well. My choice for home defense i

    My wife and I stick with 9mm because it's cheap. Not as cheap as .22, but c e in Oregon that has great ammo deals so thats become our turn to place for

    I hand load, so the only time I buy ammo is for defensive only use, or I want to chronograph a reliable factory load in order to match it's performance. Even though the police I ask say there wouldn't be a problem using handloads for defense (if I have faith in their reliability) I would like to remove any doubt concerning whether a load I'm carrying is a full powered load and not a mouse fart intended for punching holes in paper.

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to echto on Fri Sep 20 14:42:39 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: echto to Zombie Mambo on Thu Sep 19 2019 06:42 pm

    I've never owned a .45 so its time. I like 9s but compact 9's for carry are pretty violent. I am finding .380 to be a bit more manageable.

    For home, i'd like to have a big ole .45

    My 12 guage is staggered.
    1: #4
    2: Slug
    3: #4
    4: Slug
    5: Slug

    First shot i don't want going through my walls/doors if I miss.
    2nd I won't miss twice.
    3rd Same routine incase there's 2 intruders
    4th There is no longer two intruders
    5th Just in case

    Or something like that.

    Now I am starting to think i might want to get an AR before they are illegal or unable to be found.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Moondog on Fri Sep 20 14:45:03 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Moondog to echto on Fri Sep 20 2019 12:52 am

    Re: Sig
    By: echto to Zombie Mambo on Thu Sep 19 2019 06:42 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Thu Sep 19 2019 03:21 pm

    No Sigs. I carry a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42.
    For fun I have a micro small 22 5rd revolver, a 22 semi-auto pistol, a crappy cobra .380 semi auto pistol, a mossberg 12g and a mossberg .22 long rifle.... My piece de resistance is a 1967 M1 Carbine.

    Thinking about getting some flavor of .45 but not for carry.
    Maybe a 1911.

    Nice collection!

    Ruger makes tanks. I'm a mossberg fan as well. My choice for home defens

    My wife and I stick with 9mm because it's cheap. Not as cheap as .22, bu e in Oregon that has great ammo deals so thats become our turn to place f

    I hand load, so the only time I buy ammo is for defensive only use, or I wan to chronograph a reliable factory load in order to match it's performance. Even though the police I ask say there wouldn't be a problem using handloads for defense (if I have faith in their reliability) I would like to remove an doubt concerning whether a load I'm carrying is a full powered load and not mouse fart intended for punching holes in paper.


    Sounds like a sound plan.

    I get a kick out of people saying .22 isn't lethal...
    I tend to believe, 6-10 well-grouped rounds of .22 is pretty lethal.

    So don't count your mouse farts out, they are better than nothing.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 15:12:30 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Thu Sep 19 2019 03:21 pm

    Thinking about getting some flavor of .45 but not for carry.
    Maybe a 1911.

    I have heard some 1911s have weird grips that make aiming
    harder. But I got the info from a police manual from the
    60s so it is likely outdated info :-)

    Everytime I play with the idea of getting a high caliber
    toy I see the prices of the high caliber ammo and go
    "yucks". Plus there are not that many competitions for
    that sort of thing so there is less of a reason to have
    one.
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  • From Arelor@VERT to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 15:23:38 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Fri Sep 20 2019 02:42 pm

    Now I am starting to think i might want to get an AR before they are illegal or unable to be found.

    This is the age of technology. If they ban that
    stuff you just make your own. They are making
    anti aircraft weaponary in a town in the middle
    of the desert in Pakistan :-)

    Now more seriously, I have always thought that
    proliferation of these things is very hard to
    stop because this stuff can be made
    in underground workshops anyway. It is common
    for organized mafias to adapt freaking toys to
    shoot real ammo in Spain.

    Now, if you want a full auto just because, the
    guy at The Home Gunsmith site had detailed
    instructions to build a lot of interesting
    things. Many of the projects there are prety
    doable. You may want to check its submachinegun
    projects (which imo are better suited for indoor
    defense than many bulkier weapons). I don't
    think I would trust one of these homemade things
    very much, but it is worth a look for the
    curiosity value.
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  • From Arelor@VERT to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 15:26:56 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Fri Sep 20 2019 02:45 pm

    Sounds like a sound plan.

    I get a kick out of people saying .22 isn't lethal...
    I tend to believe, 6-10 well-grouped rounds of .22 is pretty lethal.

    So don't count your mouse farts out, they are better than nothing.

    I have a better one.

    "Sporting .38 isn't lethal"

    I would not want to fend an angry bear with that
    but I think a horse thief taking one is not
    going to be stealing horses for a while.
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  • From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 18:18:41 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Fri Sep 20 2019 02:42 pm

    I've never owned a .45 so its time. I like 9s but compact 9's
    for
    carry are pretty violent. I am finding .380 to be a bit more
    manageable.

    Have you fired a Ruger LCP? Brutal is more like it. Feels like your hand gets hit with a bat with each shot.

    For home, i'd like to have a big ole .45

    My 12 guage is staggered.
    1: #4
    2: Slug
    3: #4
    4: Slug
    5: Slug

    First shot i don't want going through my walls/doors if I miss.
    2nd I won't miss twice.
    3rd Same routine incase there's 2 intruders
    4th There is no longer two intruders
    5th Just in case

    Or something like that.


    I love It!

    Now I am starting to think i might want to get an AR before
    they
    are illegal or unable to be found.

    M&P Sport 2 is a good entry and relatively cheap compared to what you could spend on an AR. Or you could think bullpup and go with a Tavor if you have money to burn. :)

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  • From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 18:20:47 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Fri Sep 20 2019 02:45 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: Moondog to echto on Fri Sep 20 2019 12:52 am

    Re: Sig
    By: echto to Zombie Mambo on Thu Sep 19 2019 06:42 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Thu Sep 19 2019 03:21 pm

    No Sigs. I carry a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42.
    For fun I have a micro small 22 5rd revolver, a 22
    semi-auto pistol, a crappy cobra .380 semi auto
    pistol, a
    mossberg 12g and a mossberg .22 long rifle.... My
    piece
    de resistance is a 1967 M1 Carbine.

    Thinking about getting some flavor of .45 but not for
    carry.
    Maybe a 1911.

    Nice collection!

    Ruger makes tanks. I'm a mossberg fan as well. My choice
    for home defens

    My wife and I stick with 9mm because it's cheap. Not as
    cheap as .22, bu e in Oregon that has great ammo deals so
    thats become our turn to place f

    I hand load, so the only time I buy ammo is for defensive
    only
    use, or I wan to chronograph a reliable factory load in
    order
    to match it's performance. Even though the police I ask say
    there wouldn't be a problem using handloads for defense (if
    I
    have faith in their reliability) I would like to remove an
    doubt concerning whether a load I'm carrying is a full
    powered
    load and not mouse fart intended for punching holes in
    paper.


    Sounds like a sound plan.

    I get a kick out of people saying .22 isn't lethal...
    I tend to believe, 6-10 well-grouped rounds of .22 is pretty
    lethal.

    So don't count your mouse farts out, they are better than
    nothing.


    .22 is lethal!

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Zombie Mambo on Sat Sep 21 00:04:00 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Fri Sep 20 2019 02:42 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: echto to Zombie Mambo on Thu Sep 19 2019 06:42 pm

    I've never owned a .45 so its time. I like 9s but compact 9's for carry are pretty violent. I am finding .380 to be a bit more manageable.

    For home, i'd like to have a big ole .45

    My 12 guage is staggered.
    1: #4
    2: Slug
    3: #4
    4: Slug
    5: Slug

    First shot i don't want going through my walls/doors if I miss.
    2nd I won't miss twice.
    3rd Same routine incase there's 2 intruders
    4th There is no longer two intruders
    5th Just in case

    Or something like that.

    Now I am starting to think i might want to get an AR before they are illegal unable to be found.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

    Palmetto State Armory has good sales from time to time. I like parting up AR's. It's like building a pc, where you get an idea what you want, check
    all the better known sites to choose parts from, then complete assembly with
    aa few basic tools and a vise. Then I spend a couple of weeks researching optics.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Zombie Mambo on Sat Sep 21 00:07:00 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Fri Sep 20 2019 02:45 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: Moondog to echto on Fri Sep 20 2019 12:52 am

    Re: Sig
    By: echto to Zombie Mambo on Thu Sep 19 2019 06:42 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Thu Sep 19 2019 03:21 pm

    No Sigs. I carry a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42.
    For fun I have a micro small 22 5rd revolver, a 22 semi-auto pistol crappy cobra .380 semi auto pistol, a mossberg 12g and a mossberg . long rifle.... My piece de resistance is a 1967 M1 Carbine.

    Thinking about getting some flavor of .45 but not for carry.
    Maybe a 1911.

    Nice collection!

    Ruger makes tanks. I'm a mossberg fan as well. My choice for home def

    My wife and I stick with 9mm because it's cheap. Not as cheap as .22, e in Oregon that has great ammo deals so thats become our turn to plac

    I hand load, so the only time I buy ammo is for defensive only use, or I to chronograph a reliable factory load in order to match it's performance Even though the police I ask say there wouldn't be a problem using handlo for defense (if I have faith in their reliability) I would like to remove doubt concerning whether a load I'm carrying is a full powered load and n mouse fart intended for punching holes in paper.


    Sounds like a sound plan.

    I get a kick out of people saying .22 isn't lethal...
    I tend to believe, 6-10 well-grouped rounds of .22 is pretty lethal.

    So don't count your mouse farts out, they are better than nothing.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

    In high stress situations, well placed shots are not guaranteed. Granted. I never want to be hit with a .22 or any other caliber for that matter.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Sat Sep 21 00:10:00 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Arelor to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 03:12 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Thu Sep 19 2019 03:21 pm

    Thinking about getting some flavor of .45 but not for carry.
    Maybe a 1911.

    I have heard some 1911s have weird grips that make aiming
    harder. But I got the info from a police manual from the
    60s so it is likely outdated info :-)

    Everytime I play with the idea of getting a high caliber
    toy I see the prices of the high caliber ammo and go
    "yucks". Plus there are not that many competitions for
    that sort of thing so there is less of a reason to have
    one.

    Not enough competitions? How about Steel challenge? IDPA? USPSA? 3 gun? Single stack challenge?

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Sat Sep 21 00:17:00 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Arelor to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 03:23 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Fri Sep 20 2019 02:42 pm

    Now I am starting to think i might want to get an AR before they are ille or unable to be found.

    This is the age of technology. If they ban that
    stuff you just make your own. They are making
    anti aircraft weaponary in a town in the middle
    of the desert in Pakistan :-)

    Now more seriously, I have always thought that
    proliferation of these things is very hard to
    stop because this stuff can be made
    in underground workshops anyway. It is common
    for organized mafias to adapt freaking toys to
    shoot real ammo in Spain.

    Now, if you want a full auto just because, the
    guy at The Home Gunsmith site had detailed
    instructions to build a lot of interesting
    things. Many of the projects there are prety
    doable. You may want to check its submachinegun
    projects (which imo are better suited for indoor
    defense than many bulkier weapons). I don't
    think I would trust one of these homemade things
    very much, but it is worth a look for the
    curiosity value.

    When the Unabomber's cabin was searched, they found a .22 rifle he made from
    a 2x4, a clothes pin, some hose clamps and a length of stainless steel
    seamless brake line tubing. I've seena build blog where someone bought a shovel at Home Depot, and used a grinder and a bending brake to form it into
    an AK47 receiver. It's a wonder what can be done with lost wax method investment castings

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sat Sep 21 05:11:13 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Sat Sep 21 2019 12:17 am

    When the Unabomber's cabin was searched, they found a .22 rifle he made from a 2x4, a clothes pin, some hose clamps and a length of stainless steel seamless brake line tubing. I've seena build blog where someone bought a shovel at Home Depot, and used a grinder and a bending brake to form it into


    in prison people made guns out of pipes.
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  • From Arelor@VERT to Moondog on Sun Sep 22 08:00:00 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Sat Sep 21 2019 12:10 am

    Not enough competitions? How about Steel challenge? IDPA? USPSA? 3 gun? Single stack challenge?


    Not everybody here lives in the US or has
    the resources/patience/ranking position
    to compete at an international event.

    Right now I am 3rd cat by Spanish Target
    Shooting Federation which means I am
    essentialy restricted to regional and
    close inter-provincial events.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Sun Sep 22 15:53:00 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Sun Sep 22 2019 08:00 am

    Re: Sig
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Sat Sep 21 2019 12:10 am

    Not enough competitions? How about Steel challenge? IDPA? USPSA? 3 gun Single stack challenge?


    Not everybody here lives in the US or has
    the resources/patience/ranking position
    to compete at an international event.

    Right now I am 3rd cat by Spanish Target
    Shooting Federation which means I am
    essentialy restricted to regional and
    close inter-provincial events.

    Ah, I wasn't aware of your location. The internet makes distances appear shor ter. Back in the 1990's the big rage was bowling pin shoots, and .45 acp had the knockdown power and then some. Some clubs still host matches, however
    they are mostly out of my area. The SASS guys shoot their share of .45 long Colts, however they tend to reload them on the soft side since all they do it ring steel targets. Most other disciplines require random chronograph
    testing of ammunition to insure everyone is shooting in-spec ammo.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Sun Sep 22 18:37:00 2019
    Right now I am 3rd cat by Spanish Target
    Shooting Federation which means I am
    essentialy restricted to regional and
    close inter-provincial events.

    That is pretty cool!

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  • From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to Moondog on Mon Sep 23 07:33:32 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Moondog to Zombie Mambo on Sat Sep 21 2019 12:07 am

    I get a kick out of people saying .22 isn't lethal...
    I tend to believe, 6-10 well-grouped rounds of .22 is pretty lethal.

    So don't count your mouse farts out, they are better than nothing.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

    In high stress situations, well placed shots are not guaranteed. Granted. I never want to be hit with a .22 or any other caliber for that matter.


    Just aim for the face! :)

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  • From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to Moondog on Mon Sep 23 07:34:37 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Sat Sep 21 2019 12:17 am

    Re: Sig

    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Fri Sep 20 2019 02:42 pm

    Now I am starting to think i might want to get an AR before they are ille or unable to be found.

    This is the age of technology. If they ban that
    stuff you just make your own. They are making
    anti aircraft weaponary in a town in the middle
    of the desert in Pakistan :-)

    Now more seriously, I have always thought that
    proliferation of these things is very hard to
    stop because this stuff can be made
    in underground workshops anyway. It is common
    for organized mafias to adapt freaking toys to
    shoot real ammo in Spain.

    Now, if you want a full auto just because, the
    guy at The Home Gunsmith site had detailed
    instructions to build a lot of interesting
    things. Many of the projects there are prety
    doable. You may want to check its submachinegun
    projects (which imo are better suited for indoor
    defense than many bulkier weapons). I don't
    think I would trust one of these homemade things
    very much, but it is worth a look for the
    curiosity value.

    When the Unabomber's cabin was searched, they found a .22 rifle he made from a 2x4, a clothes pin, some hose clamps and a length of stainless steel seamless brake line tubing. I've seena build blog where someone bought a shovel at Home Depot, and used a grinder and a bending brake to form it into an AK47 receiver. It's a wonder what can be done with lost wax method investment castings


    That's INSANE! I did not know that.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to echto on Mon Sep 23 15:10:33 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: echto to Moondog on Mon Sep 23 2019 07:33 am

    I get a kick out of people saying .22 isn't lethal...
    I tend to believe, 6-10 well-grouped rounds of .22 is pretty lethal. So don't count your mouse farts out, they are better than nothing.
    In high stress situations, well placed shots are not guaranteed.
    Granted. I never want to be hit with a .22 or any other caliber for that matter.

    Just aim for the face! :)

    Maybe a .22 doesn't impress people at the range but I have a long list of "game" taken with "well placed .22 long rifle shots. Does anyone remember Bobby Kennedy? How about Ronald Reagan??

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to echto on Mon Sep 23 14:24:00 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: echto to Moondog on Mon Sep 23 2019 07:33 am

    Re: Sig
    By: Moondog to Zombie Mambo on Sat Sep 21 2019 12:07 am

    I get a kick out of people saying .22 isn't lethal...
    I tend to believe, 6-10 well-grouped rounds of .22 is pretty lethal.

    So don't count your mouse farts out, they are better than nothing.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

    In high stress situations, well placed shots are not guaranteed. Granted never want to be hit with a .22 or any other caliber for that matter.


    Just aim for the face! :)

    Easier said than done. There's been times where off duty police officers were
    in a store while it was being robbed, and both parties missed hitting any vital organs from a shopping carts' distance away. A situation can go very quickly, no time to thnk out standce and proper grip/ aiming.

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  • From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to Moondog on Mon Sep 23 14:56:36 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Moondog to echto on Mon Sep 23 2019 02:24 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: echto to Moondog on Mon Sep 23 2019 07:33 am

    Re: Sig
    By: Moondog to Zombie Mambo on Sat Sep 21 2019 12:07 am

    I get a kick out of people saying .22 isn't lethal...
    I tend to believe, 6-10 well-grouped rounds of .22 is pretty lethal.

    So don't count your mouse farts out, they are better than nothing.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

    In high stress situations, well placed shots are not guaranteed. Granted never want to be hit with a .22 or any other caliber for that matter.


    Just aim for the face! :)

    Easier said than done. There's been times where off duty police officers were
    in a store while it was being robbed, and both parties missed hitting any vital organs from a shopping carts' distance away. A situation can go very quickly, no time to thnk out standce and proper grip/ aiming.


    You do have a valid point! And there are some people who simply freeze when a threat is staring them directly in the face.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HUSTLER on Mon Sep 23 20:05:00 2019
    Maybe a .22 doesn't impress people at the range but I have a long list of "g >ame" taken with "well placed .22 long rifle shots. Does anyone remember Bobby K
    nnedy? How about Ronald Reagan??

    I was going to mention RFK. IIRC, one of the secret services (forget which country) used .22s because they would shot their targets at close range,
    and the .22 was less likely to exit, doing more damage by bouncing around inside the skull.

    I don't think RFK was the only famous person killed by one, either.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to echto on Tue Sep 24 10:33:00 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: echto to Moondog on Mon Sep 23 2019 02:56 pm


    You do have a valid point! And there are some people who simply freeze when

    One of our greatest strengths and weaknesses is we are curious reasoning
    beings that try to process and rationalize events as they are happening. Freezing, or even worse, popping your head out or walking towards a
    situation can lead to poor results. That's where training is required. When the proper stimulus is applied, training and muscle memory work together to react faster than you normally would if not prepared. Act first, then make room to be able to process the bigger picture. Situational awareness is also nice so you can see signs of things going bad.


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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Arelor on Tue Sep 24 14:31:56 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Arelor to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 03:12 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Thu Sep 19 2019 03:21 pm

    Thinking about getting some flavor of .45 but not for carry.
    Maybe a 1911.

    I have heard some 1911s have weird grips that make aiming
    harder. But I got the info from a police manual from the
    60s so it is likely outdated info :-)

    Everytime I play with the idea of getting a high caliber
    toy I see the prices of the high caliber ammo and go
    "yucks". Plus there are not that many competitions for
    that sort of thing so there is less of a reason to have
    one.


    For me its not about competitions, fun, or cost of ammo. It's about knowing i have something that will stop whatever is coming at me.

    But I do understand your point. It's also a mechanical - type firearm with moving parts, which means there's opportunity for FTL and FTF... Unlock a revolver which is pretty much never going to fail you.

    Its a trade off between round capacity and reliability.

    Some people don't like 1911s cuz of the grips, the dove tail, the size...
    I don't know. Once i put one in my little man hands, i'll know if its for me or not.

    Recently I ran about a dozen rounds through a full sized Taurus 9mm and I have to say it was probably the most comfortable handgun I've ever fired. smoooooth and my shots were all grouped center mass. Like i wasn't even the one firing.

    I say find something like that, something you like, and stick with it.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Arelor on Tue Sep 24 14:33:48 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Arelor to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 03:26 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Fri Sep 20 2019 02:45 pm

    Sounds like a sound plan.

    I get a kick out of people saying .22 isn't lethal...
    I tend to believe, 6-10 well-grouped rounds of .22 is pretty lethal.

    So don't count your mouse farts out, they are better than nothing.

    I have a better one.

    "Sporting .38 isn't lethal"

    I would not want to fend an angry bear with that
    but I think a horse thief taking one is not
    going to be stealing horses for a while.


    exactly... .38 specials are special for a very specific reason.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to echto on Tue Sep 24 14:36:28 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: echto to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 06:18 pm

    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to echto on Fri Sep 20 2019 02:42 pm

    I've never owned a .45 so its time. I like 9s but compact 9's
    for
    carry are pretty violent. I am finding .380 to be a bit more
    manageable.

    Have you fired a Ruger LCP? Brutal is more like it. Feels like your hand get

    For home, i'd like to have a big ole .45

    My 12 guage is staggered.
    1: #4
    2: Slug
    3: #4
    4: Slug
    5: Slug

    First shot i don't want going through my walls/doors if I miss.
    2nd I won't miss twice.
    3rd Same routine incase there's 2 intruders
    4th There is no longer two intruders
    5th Just in case

    Or something like that.


    I love It!

    Now I am starting to think i might want to get an AR before
    they
    are illegal or unable to be found.

    M&P Sport 2 is a good entry and relatively cheap compared to what you could


    Not sure yet... time shall tell.
    Regarding the LCP funny you mention that. I got one for my father when I got my LC9. He's never used it. Then when I was at my friend's last month we went to the police range (his wife works for PD there) and his wife's carry was the same LCP.

    I asked if I could fire some rounds and you're absolutely right. It was WAY more violent than its bigger 9mm brother.

    It is almost exactly the same size as the Glock 42 .380 I brought with me, but my glock was way nicer to fire. Still violent, but not like the rugers.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Zombie Mambo on Tue Sep 24 21:49:00 2019
    Zombie Mambo wrote to echto <=-

    Regarding the LCP funny you mention that. I got one for my father
    when I got my LC9. He's never used it. Then when I was at my
    friend's last month we went to the police range (his wife works
    for PD there) and his wife's carry was the same LCP.

    I asked if I could fire some rounds and you're absolutely right.
    It was WAY more violent than its bigger 9mm brother.

    It is almost exactly the same size as the Glock 42 .380 I brought
    with me, but my glock was way nicer to fire. Still violent, but
    not like the rugers.

    Comparing the G42 to the LCP is not a real fair comparison. The
    G42 weighs half-again as much (empty) as the LCP. That's why the
    LCP feels more "violent". Although in my personal opinion,
    there's not much "violent" about shooting *ANY* .380. I don't
    consider it a viable self-defense round to be honest. Certainly
    not something I would ever carry.



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  • From Arelor@VERT to Zombie Mambo on Wed Sep 25 08:04:12 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to Arelor on Tue Sep 24 2019 02:31 pm

    For me its not about competitions, fun, or cost of ammo. It's about knowing i have
    something that will stop whatever is coming at me.


    You know, main reason I have a gun is for home defense, but in practice I don't have
    that many burglaries. You will be shocked to know I have killed no burglar this month
    :-) So I think it is good to do something else with the gun other than to leave it
    gather dust. Besides, here you are required to register as a sportman in order to get
    a gun license and have a minimum of involvement in tournaments. And then it is when
    cost of ammo hits: the price difference is big enough that you will notice even if you
    use as few as 2,000 rounds per year. If you recharge your own ammo I suppose you can
    mitigate the costs, but then I have to deal with local bourocraZyness which is another
    story...

    So well, in the end there is a bit of compromisse with these things. It is like knives... I carry one for defense (main reason) but in the end of the day I use it
    mostly for cutting rope, preparing meal etc. One of my knives has actually been retired after a life saving action, even (idiot getting hung by the neck with rope). I
    could carry a gigantic Bowie most of the time, but realisticly speaking, you can maim
    a hand with half the blade and still serve a lot of secondary purposes.

    So far it looks like I am only going to have a gun due to bourocrazyness, so it may as
    well be a .38, because it can fend off gypsy horse thieves and then it is more convenient for secondary purposes than something more powerful. Secondary purposes
    being : serving as fun/recreative/competition device, serving as a political statement, humanely putting lifestock down (I hope it never, ever comes to this, but
    crap happens).

    I wholeheartedly agree that in the end it is a matter of having the gun in your hand for knowing it is adequate for you. Oftentimes you see one in the shooting range and the guy using it looks so comfortable with it, then you give it a try and it feels weird.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Wed Sep 25 20:24:00 2019
    Re: Sig
    By: Arelor to Zombie Mambo on Wed Sep 25 2019 08:04 am

    Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to Arelor on Tue Sep 24 2019 02:31 pm

    For me its not about competitions, fun, or cost of ammo. It's about knowi something that will stop whatever is coming at me.


    You know, main reason I have a gun is for home defense, but in practice I do that many burglaries. You will be shocked to know I have killed no burglar t :-) So I think it is good to do something else with the gun other than to le gather dust. Besides, here you are required to register as a sportman in ord a gun license and have a minimum of involvement in tournaments. And then it cost of ammo hits: the price difference is big enough that you will notice e use as few as 2,000 rounds per year. If you recharge your own ammo I suppose mitigate the costs, but then I have to deal with local bourocraZyness which story...

    So well, in the end there is a bit of compromisse with these things. It is l knives... I carry one for defense (main reason) but in the end of the day I mostly for cutting rope, preparing meal etc. One of my knives has actually b retired after a life saving action, even (idiot getting hung by the neck wit could carry a gigantic Bowie most of the time, but realisticly speaking, you a hand with half the blade and still serve a lot of secondary purposes.

    So far it looks like I am only going to have a gun due to bourocrazyness, so well be a .38, because it can fend off gypsy horse thieves and then it is mo convenient for secondary purposes than something more powerful. Secondary pu being : serving as fun/recreative/competition device, serving as a political statement, humanely putting lifestock down (I hope it never, ever comes to t crap happens).

    I wholeheartedly agree that in the end it is a matter of having the gun in y eird.


    I'm on the board of a non-profit conservation club that has multiple rifle
    bays and pistol bays, plus a clay thrower for shotguns. Competition can get pricey depending on the sport. USPSA averages 32 rounds per stage, with 6-8 stages. Steel challenge is 25 rounds a stage, 8 stages. That is per gun. So me compete with a .22 pistol, pay to shoot again with a centerfire pistol, shoot again with a .22 rifle or with a pistol caliber carbine. IDPA and SASS shoot lower round counts, however practice each week will consume 100-200 rounds. 2000 rounds may sound like a lot, however it disappears really
    fast. The only way to make it cost effective is to own a reloading press and recycle your spent brass.


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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Gamgee on Mon Sep 30 16:08:54 2019
    Re: Re: Sig
    By: Gamgee to Zombie Mambo on Tue Sep 24 2019 09:49 pm

    Comparing the G42 to the LCP is not a real fair comparison. The
    G42 weighs half-again as much (empty) as the LCP. That's why the
    LCP feels more "violent". Although in my personal opinion,
    there's not much "violent" about shooting *ANY* .380. I don't
    consider it a viable self-defense round to be honest. Certainly
    not something I would ever carry.

    I mean it is a fair comparison in the sense of:
    1. Similar price
    2. Same measurements
    3. both meant for CC
    4. Same chambered round

    Your points (weight) are valid, which is why i offered my G42 to her to try and compare to her LCP to see if she'd like it better.

    .380 is a perfectly fine round to carry. Anything is better than nothing.

    I guess by violent I'm meaning there's a lot of hop... Mostly because of the size of the firearm itself. Anything as small as these with short barrels is going to feel bigger than they really are.
    However some other facters (how they recoil, their weight / materials) will absorb some of that. Its a matter of finding what is comfortable.

    Regarding never carrying .380 that's your choice.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Zombie Mambo on Tue Oct 1 10:27:00 2019
    Re: Re: Sig
    By: Zombie Mambo to Gamgee on Mon Sep 30 2019 04:08 pm



    .380 is a perfectly fine round to carry. Anything is better than nothing.

    I guess by violent I'm meaning there's a lot of hop... Mostly because of the size of the firearm itself. Anything as small as these with short barrels is going to feel bigger than they really are.
    However some other facters (how they recoil, their weight / materials) will absorb some of that. Its a matter of finding what is comfortable.

    Regarding never carrying .380 that's your choice.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

    Compact .380's tend to be snappy because they are usually blow back actions. When you get into a 9mm or larger, they can be what is called a delayed blowback, in which there's a stage that prevents the slide from flying back
    for a fraction of a second. The delay also helps smooth out the recoil impulse.

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