• Slow times

    From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to All on Wed Oct 2 00:22:00 2019
    Since Trump has been in office, there has been a slump in the firearms industry. Part of that is due to gun grabbing politicians not having as much clout (hope that stays that way) but otherwise there was a huge growth in manufacturing and ammunition production since 2013, and sales have levelled off.

    The other week Colt announced they are halting civillian sales due to a
    backlog of military and police contracts, plus I get the impression civillian sales have been down as well. Today I read BCI Defense, a smaller company south of where I live has announced they are pausing individual sales in favor
    due to a backlog of work their parent company has been working through.

    As the presidential debates continue, I expect an uptake in demand for arms and ammunition, however I doubt there is enough existing supply out there to last awhile. When Obama entered office the first time, the ammunition companies ramped up production to supply a shortage that didn't happen. In 2012 they didn't ramp up production, which led to the shortages and the panic that happened after the Sandy Hook incident.

    What are everybody's predictions for the following year?

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Moondog on Wed Oct 2 08:37:00 2019
    Moondog wrote to All <=-

    Since Trump has been in office, there has been a slump in the
    firearms industry. Part of that is due to gun grabbing
    politicians not having as much clout (hope that stays that way)
    but otherwise there was a huge growth in manufacturing and
    ammunition production since 2013, and sales have levelled off.

    The other week Colt announced they are halting civillian sales
    due to a backlog of military and police contracts, plus I get the impression civillian sales have been down as well. Today I read
    BCI Defense, a smaller company south of where I live has
    announced they are pausing individual sales in favor
    due to a backlog of work their parent company has been working
    through.

    As the presidential debates continue, I expect an uptake in
    demand for arms and ammunition, however I doubt there is enough
    existing supply out there to last awhile. When Obama entered
    office the first time, the ammunition companies ramped up
    production to supply a shortage that didn't happen. In 2012 they
    didn't ramp up production, which led to the shortages and the
    panic that happened after the Sandy Hook incident.

    What are everybody's predictions for the following year?

    I predict that I will buy at least three guns, and a metric
    butt-ton of ammo.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Wed Oct 2 18:43:00 2019
    What are everybody's predictions for the following year?

    Sales of ammo went nuts when it was rumored (true or otherwise) that the
    Obama administration was buying up all the unsold rounds. Local stores
    could not stay stocked in anything but the less-popular rounds. People
    figured out what days their shipments came in and bought them out as soon
    as they opened.

    I often wondered if that rumor was not started as one way to get the
    economy boosted a little bit.

    My guess will be that if Warren or Sanders somehow get elected, it will
    happen again real quick.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Gamgee on Wed Oct 2 21:28:00 2019
    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Gamgee to Moondog on Wed Oct 02 2019 08:37 am

    I predict that I will buy at least three guns, and a metric
    butt-ton of ammo.



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Thu Oct 3 08:58:00 2019
    Re: Slow times
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Wed Oct 02 2019 06:43 pm

    What are everybody's predictions for the following year?

    Sales of ammo went nuts when it was rumored (true or otherwise) that the Obama administration was buying up all the unsold rounds. Local stores could not stay stocked in anything but the less-popular rounds. People figured out what days their shipments came in and bought them out as soon
    as they opened.

    I often wondered if that rumor was not started as one way to get the
    economy boosted a little bit.

    My guess will be that if Warren or Sanders somehow get elected, it will happen again real quick.

    I recall the supposed Homeland Security ammunition purchase.

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  • From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to Gamgee on Thu Oct 3 10:47:19 2019
    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Gamgee to Moondog on Wed Oct 02 2019 08:37 am

    Moondog wrote to All <=-

    Since Trump has been in office, there has been a slump in the
    firearms industry. Part of that is due to gun grabbing
    politicians not having as much clout (hope that stays that way)
    but otherwise there was a huge growth in manufacturing and
    ammunition production since 2013, and sales have levelled off.

    The other week Colt announced they are halting civillian sales
    due to a backlog of military and police contracts, plus I get the impression civillian sales have been down as well. Today I read
    BCI Defense, a smaller company south of where I live has
    announced they are pausing individual sales in favor
    due to a backlog of work their parent company has been working through.

    As the presidential debates continue, I expect an uptake in
    demand for arms and ammunition, however I doubt there is enough existing supply out there to last awhile. When Obama entered
    office the first time, the ammunition companies ramped up
    production to supply a shortage that didn't happen. In 2012 they didn't ramp up production, which led to the shortages and the
    panic that happened after the Sandy Hook incident.

    What are everybody's predictions for the following year?

    I predict that I will buy at least three guns, and a metric
    butt-ton of ammo.


    You can never have enough ammo. :)

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  • From Arelor@VERT to echto on Thu Oct 3 12:06:31 2019
    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: echto to Gamgee on Thu Oct 03 2019 10:47 am

    You can never have enough ammo. :)


    What you can have is a lack of space to put your ammo in...
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to echto on Thu Oct 3 19:57:00 2019
    echto wrote to Gamgee <=-

    What are everybody's predictions for the following year?

    I predict that I will buy at least three guns, and a metric
    butt-ton of ammo.

    You can never have enough ammo. :)

    Well, I'd say you can have *enough*, but never *too much*. :-)



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to echto on Thu Oct 3 22:55:00 2019
    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: echto to Gamgee on Thu Oct 03 2019 10:47 am

    >

    You can never have enough ammo. :)


    Ammo might be the next thing to go after. Doesn't matter what you're
    shooting if you have nothing to load it with. I think it was Seatle, WA put
    a $.05 per round tax on ammunition as a public safety measure to make ammo
    more expensive, however my understanding is this forced gun shop owners to relocate their shops outside of city limits. Made me cringe thinking of what
    a bulk tub of 1440 rounds of .22lr would cost! The tax is almost as much as the rounds!

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Gamgee on Fri Oct 4 01:52:00 2019
    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Gamgee to echto on Thu Oct 03 2019 07:57 pm

    echto wrote to Gamgee <=-

    What are everybody's predictions for the following year?

    I predict that I will buy at least three guns, and a metric
    butt-ton of ammo.

    You can never have enough ammo. :)

    Well, I'd say you can have *enough*, but never *too much*. :-)



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    Depends on where you live, and what you plan for. A zombie apocalypse is far fetched, however if you look deeper into that scenario, it's about being constantly on the watch for people or things that cannot be bargained with, an d they're planning on killing you anyways.

    I live 60 miles east of Chicago, on the other side of Lake Michigan. If
    a disaster came through and disrupted services indefinitely, eventually
    people would run out of food, kill each other in the city over what food they had, then pour out into the suburbs and rural areas looking for more. The folks who make it the farthest are probably the worst of the bunch.

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Moondog on Mon Oct 7 10:50:58 2019
    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Moondog to echto on Thu Oct 03 2019 10:55 pm

    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: echto to Gamgee on Thu Oct 03 2019 10:47 am

    >

    You can never have enough ammo. :)


    Ammo might be the next thing to go after. Doesn't matter what you're shooting if you have nothing to load it with. I think it was Seatle, WA put a $.05 per round tax on ammunition as a public safety measure to make ammo more expensive, however my understanding is this forced gun shop owners to relocate their shops outside of city limits. Made me cringe thinking of wha a bulk tub of 1440 rounds of .22lr would cost! The tax is almost as much as the rounds!

    That was a big fear when obama was elected. That is when i got my conceal carry permit. I remember being at the ATF bldg filling out my paper work and getting my license and being amazed at the # of people, many elderly, in there doing the same. All saying the same thing "I needed to get this before the president and the left make them illegal".

    Everyone was talking about how they wanted to outlaw Ammo, so then your gun would be useless. That's coming. There will be some sort of tax / background deal to buy ammo and only certain places will be allowed to sell it.

    They will make it impossible to get, and they will outlaw making your own.

    Whenever something bad happens, tehre will be a "shortage" and hiked prices, just like oil/gas. Some artifical controlling to explain the lack of supply for the demand... Just wait.


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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Moondog on Mon Oct 7 10:52:12 2019
    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Moondog to Gamgee on Fri Oct 04 2019 01:52 am

    I live 60 miles east of Chicago, on the other side of Lake Michigan. If

    I grew up in those NW suburbs. Its a shame what happened to that state, and Chicago itself. I would argue there's a zombie apocolypse taking place almost every weekend there already.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Zombie Mambo on Mon Oct 7 14:03:00 2019
    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Mon Oct 07 2019 10:52 am

    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Moondog to Gamgee on Fri Oct 04 2019 01:52 am

    I live 60 miles east of Chicago, on the other side of Lake Michigan. If

    I grew up in those NW suburbs. Its a shame what happened to that state, and Chicago itself. I would argue there's a zombie apocolypse taking place almos every weekend there already.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo


    It's really sad they blame NW Indiana for their crime problems. It's also
    sad that the body count doesn't get the same media coverage because of the ski n color of those involved.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Tue Oct 8 17:19:00 2019
    It's really sad they blame NW Indiana for their crime problems. It's also >sad that the body count doesn't get the same media coverage because of the ski >n color of those involved.


    Not just "they" in Chicago... there are lefties here in KY that believe it
    is Indiana's fault. My challgenge to them is this... outside of the
    Chicago area Indiana counties, do any others have the same gun crime rates
    that Chicago does?

    I have not actually researched that, but I am betting most of the Indiana communities immediately outside of the Chicago area counties most certainly
    do not. I would also guess that the only ones that might either do so or
    come close would be Marion (Indianapolis), the counties that surround Louisville, KY, and maybe Ft. Wayne.

    The fact that people in areas outside of Chicago, where the guns are
    plentiful, are not shooting each other at near the same rate as in Chicago should tell them they are barking up the wrong trees.

    I recently heard they are also now blaming Wisconsin and Michigan, too.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Wed Oct 9 11:40:00 2019
    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Tue Oct 08 2019 05:19 pm



    The fact that people in areas outside of Chicago, where the guns are plentiful, are not shooting each other at near the same rate as in Chicago should tell them they are barking up the wrong trees.

    I recently heard they are also now blaming Wisconsin and Michigan, too.


    It's really sad the city continues to blame pieces of steel and plastic for
    its social, economic, and cultural issues.

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Moondog on Fri Oct 11 15:52:38 2019
    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Moondog to Zombie Mambo on Mon Oct 07 2019 02:03 pm

    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Mon Oct 07 2019 10:52 am

    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Moondog to Gamgee on Fri Oct 04 2019 01:52 am

    I live 60 miles east of Chicago, on the other side of Lake Michigan. I

    I grew up in those NW suburbs. Its a shame what happened to that state, a Chicago itself. I would argue there's a zombie apocolypse taking place al every weekend there already.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo


    It's really sad they blame NW Indiana for their crime problems. It's also sad that the body count doesn't get the same media coverage because of the s n color of those involved.



    And because they body count is accumulated over in many cases single incidents and not mass incidents with "assault weapons" which fits their current agenda. They can't go too far. baby steps. otherwise they won't win over enough votes to have full control of house and senate and supreme court, which is what they need to take our guns away.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Zombie Mambo on Fri Oct 11 23:07:00 2019
    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Fri Oct 11 2019 03:52 pm




    And because they body count is accumulated over in many cases single inciden and not mass incidents with "assault weapons" which fits their current agend They can't go too far. baby steps. otherwise they won't win over enough vote to have full control of house and senate and supreme court, which is what th need to take our guns away.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo


    From what I've read about the history abd events leading to the 1934 National Firearms Act, handguns were originally on the lest to be restricted. The law makers not only saw sawed off firearms and machines as being a threat (not to leave out poachers and their suppressors,)but also feared the availability
    and concealability of handguns. Sounds like that line was drawn too far, and was cut from the list. A federal gun registry was also planned, however the events in Germany at the time made everyone think twice about registries and the fear of it being used to disarm the public.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Zombie Mambo on Fri Oct 18 20:42:10 2019
    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Mon Oct 07 2019 10:50 am

    That was a big fear when obama was elected. That is when i got my conceal carry permit. I remember being at the ATF bldg filling out my paper work and getting my license and being amazed at the # of people, many elderly, in there doing the same. All saying the same thing "I needed to get this before the president and the left make them illegal".

    Everyone was talking about how they wanted to outlaw Ammo, so then your gun would be useless. That's coming. There will be some sort of tax / background deal to buy ammo and only certain places will be allowed to sell it.

    This was fearmongering put out by the right. Sure, I saw the idea tossed around, but something like that was never going to come to fruition, and the democrats knew it.

    The vast majority of Americans are for common-sense gun laws. Universal background checks are supported by nearly 3/4 of Americans. Let's start there, and then maybe try and change the gun culture we currently live with, as that's our real problem.

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to DaiTengu on Sat Nov 2 09:08:55 2019
    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: DaiTengu to Zombie Mambo on Fri Oct 18 2019 08:42 pm

    Re: Re: Slow times
    By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Mon Oct 07 2019 10:50 am

    That was a big fear when obama was elected. That is when i got my conce carry permit. I remember being at the ATF bldg filling out my paper wor and getting my license and being amazed at the # of people, many elderl in there doing the same. All saying the same thing "I needed to get thi before the president and the left make them illegal".

    Everyone was talking about how they wanted to outlaw Ammo, so then your gun would be useless. That's coming. There will be some sort of tax / background deal to buy ammo and only certain places will be allowed to sell it.

    This was fearmongering put out by the right. Sure, I saw the idea tossed ar

    The vast majority of Americans are for common-sense gun laws. Universal bac

    DaiTengu

    ... Not ignorance, but ignorance of ingnorance, is the death of knowledge.


    Totally agree but, the problem is there's too many crazy folks on the extreme left that, if in power, would actually start taking liberties away. They say it all the time.

    Why would they talk about confiscating "assault" rifles and stuff if they knew that the majority of Americans are for common sense, not extreme removal of rights? Because they are nuts and they want the votes of those like them.

    So both sides are politicising everything and responsible for the fear, lies, misleading half truths and crap they both spread.

    You can say it was fear mongering by the right, but according to what comes out of the mouths of the left, it doesn't sound so far from the truth.


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