• Telnet and ZMODEM

    From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to All on Thu Apr 30 21:18:31 2020
    Hoping that someone here might be able to help me. I'm having a little trouble using the zmodem programs rz/sz through telnet on Linux with BBSs. Now, I know that one can use Syncterm, or ztelnet, or even screen, but this is a problem because its bugging me because it is something I should know how to get working



    As far as I know, through telnet one should be able to launch rz to receive a zmodem transfer. The problem is, that rz is launched, but it doesn't start the transfer. I start rz by pressing CTRL-] and typeing "! rz" at the telnet command prompt. I've tried starting rz in a
    subshell, suspending telnet and starting rz in the parent shell.

    It works when I use screen, or zmodem, but I want to know why it doesn't work when I do it. Can it work, or is what I'm doing just not possible.

    Any hints or info appreciated.

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Boraxman on Thu Apr 30 16:42:18 2020
    Re: Telnet and ZMODEM
    By: Boraxman to All on Thu Apr 30 2020 09:18 pm

    Hoping that someone here might be able to help me. I'm having a little trou using the zmodem programs rz/sz through telnet on Linux with BBSs. Now, I k that one can use Syncterm, or ztelnet, or even screen, but this is a problem because its bugging me because it is something I should know how to get work



    As far as I know, through telnet one should be able to launch rz to receive zmodem transfer. The problem is, that rz is launched, but it doesn't start transfer. I start rz by pressing CTRL-] and typeing "! rz" at the telnet command prompt. I've tried starting rz in a
    subshell, suspending telnet and starting rz in the parent shell.

    It works when I use screen, or zmodem, but I want to know why it doesn't wor when I do it. Can it work, or is what I'm doing just not possible.

    Any hints or info appreciated.


    I think "!" does not pipe the ouput from telnet into the program you are calling.

    I just use ckermit. It detects file transfer petitions and calls the required program on the fly. Even KDE's Konsole has support for this. Cool, isn't it? ---
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  • From Arelor@VERT to Boraxman on Thu Apr 30 16:49:17 2020
    Re: Telnet and ZMODEM
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Thu Apr 30 2020 04:42 pm

    I think "!" does not pipe the ouput from telnet into the program you are calling.

    To be clear, the way it is supposed to be done is for the BBS to feed your terminal with a signal that it is ready to feed you a file. Then you are supposed to attach "something" that understands X/Y/ZMODEM to your terminal so it can read the file from it. Running rz in a subshell does not count as it. Screen works because it actually reads an interpretates the content passed through it.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Fri May 1 20:45:28 2020
    Re: Telnet and ZMODEM
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Thu Apr 30 2020 04:49 pm

    Re: Telnet and ZMODEM
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Thu Apr 30 2020 04:42 pm

    I think "!" does not pipe the ouput from telnet into the program you are calling.

    To be clear, the way it is supposed to be done is for the BBS to feed your terminal with a signal that it is ready to feed you a file. Then you are supposed to attach "something" that understands X/Y/ZMODEM to your terminal it can read the file from it. Running rz in a subshell does not count as it. Screen works because it actually reads an interpretates the content passed through it.

    I was wondering about that. rz is somehow supposed to be able to tap into the same connection as telnet, but how would it know what that is?

    The problem is, I've seen specific instructions that show this method and state it works. Perhaps it only works for serial, or where telnet has a TTY.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Fri May 1 22:59:00 2020
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    Re: Telnet and ZMODEM
    By: Boraxman to All on Thu Apr 30 2020 09:18 pm

    Hoping that someone here might be able to help me. I'm having a little trou using the zmodem programs rz/sz through telnet on Linux with BBSs. Now, I k that one can use Syncterm, or ztelnet, or even screen, but this is a problem because its bugging me because it is something I should know how to get work



    As far as I know, through telnet one should be able to launch rz to receive zmodem transfer. The problem is, that rz is launched, but it doesn't start transfer. I start rz by pressing CTRL-] and typeing "! rz" at the telnet command prompt. I've tried starting rz in a
    subshell, suspending telnet and starting rz in the parent shell.

    It works when I use screen, or zmodem, but I want to know why it doesn't wor when I do it. Can it work, or is what I'm doing just not possible.

    Any hints or info appreciated.


    I think "!" does not pipe the ouput from telnet into the program you
    are calling.

    I just use ckermit. It detects file transfer petitions and calls the required program on the fly. Even KDE's Konsole has support for this. Cool, isn't it?

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    I had no idea that Konsole could do this until yesterday! It is very cool. It's
    great to see software packages which are still updated for modern requirements, still not forgetting older protocols and practices.

    I know how to do this by other means, so I think I'll just take it that telnet as-is, when used with a TCP connection doesn't handle it.

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Boraxman on Mon May 4 07:04:10 2020
    Re: Telnet and ZMODEM
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 01 2020 08:45 pm

    I was wondering about that. rz is somehow supposed to be able to tap into t same connection as telnet, but how would it know what that is?

    The problem is, I've seen specific instructions that show this method and st it works. Perhaps it only works for serial, or where telnet has a TTY.


    As far as I know, regular Linux Telnet does not have the functionality required to call rz and pass the transfer to it when it detects a ZMODEM signal. IN fact I think Telnet can't detect a ZMODEM signal at all.

    I think people is using minicom for serial file transfers but I don't know for sure.
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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Arelor on Mon May 4 10:53:24 2020
    Re: Telnet and ZMODEM
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Mon May 04 2020 07:04:10


    Arelor> I think people is using minicom for serial file transfers but I
    Arelor> don't know for sure.

    there is no minicom installed here... nor any other text mode terminal program other than xterm, konsole, and similar that come standard with this Kubuntu installation...

    i open a text terminal window (konsole) and type

    telnet mybbs

    OR

    ssh mybbs

    which connects to my sbbs... i log in, go to the [T]ransfer section, find a file to download, and tell the bbs to send it... that's all i do... the zmodem start sequence triggers my terminal to perform a zmodem download and it saves the file in my normal "Downloads" directory...

    i can also upload files in almost the same manner by using CTRL-ALT-U... it just works :)


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  • From Dennisk@VERT/MINDSEYE to Rampage on Tue May 5 09:20:00 2020
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    Re: Telnet and ZMODEM
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Mon May 04 2020 07:04:10


    Arelor> I think people is using minicom for serial file transfers but
    I
    Arelor> don't know for sure.

    there is no minicom installed here... nor any other text mode terminal program other than xterm, konsole, and similar that come standard with this Kubuntu installation...

    i open a text terminal window (konsole) and type

    telnet mybbs

    OR

    ssh mybbs

    which connects to my sbbs... i log in, go to the [T]ransfer section,
    find a file to download, and tell the bbs to send it... that's all i
    do... the zmodem start sequence triggers my terminal to perform a
    zmodem download and it saves the file in my normal "Downloads" directory...

    i can also upload files in almost the same manner by using
    CTRL-ALT-U... it just works :)


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    That is because Konsole is capturing and handling Zmodem traffic, not telnet itself. I'm guessing that it either used to be able to do it, or only with certain types of connections (ie, serial), and that the instructions I've seen are not applicable to TCP connections, but didn't state so.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Arelor on Tue May 5 19:15:00 2020
    On 05-04-20 07:04, Arelor wrote to Boraxman <=-

    I think people is using minicom for serial file transfers but I don't
    know for sure.

    I use SyncTerm for BBS access from Linux and Windows. :)


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  • From Arelor@VERT to Vk3jed on Tue May 5 04:57:25 2020
    Re: Re: Telnet and ZMODEM
    By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Tue May 05 2020 07:15 pm

    I use SyncTerm for BBS access from Linux and Windows. :)

    I am using ckermit myself. So old-school├▒ :-)
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Arelor on Wed May 6 16:13:00 2020
    On 05-05-20 04:57, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I use SyncTerm for BBS access from Linux and Windows. :)

    I am using ckermit myself. So old-schoolş :-)

    Cool. I never used ckermit. :)


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  • From Jazzy J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to Vk3jed on Mon May 11 07:46:00 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to Arelor <=-

    On 05-05-20 04:57, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I use SyncTerm for BBS access from Linux and Windows. :)

    I am using ckermit myself. So old-schoolş :-)

    If you are connecting to a Commodore Graphics terminal then you can use CGTerm.
    You'll have to download an compile it if you are on *nix. It uses the SDL 1.2 libraries.

    There are downloadable releases for Windows. Look for it on Github.com



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Jazzy J on Tue May 12 21:05:00 2020
    On 05-11-20 07:46, Jazzy J wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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    Vk3jed wrote to Arelor <=-

    On 05-05-20 04:57, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I use SyncTerm for BBS access from Linux and Windows. :)

    I am using ckermit myself. So old-schoolş :-)

    If you are connecting to a Commodore Graphics terminal then you can use CGTerm.
    You'll have to download an compile it if you are on *nix. It uses the SDL 1.2 libraries.

    Hmm, not sure where Commodore comes from in this thread, but might be useful to know. :)


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