Hello, I am Eric and I'm new to BBS. But I'm not really new to programming and I just had to ask what your first programming language was. (Sorry if this is a repost).

I personally learned Microsoft BASIC first, because that was the only language my DOS system could interpret. And it was just a good time.

For that reason many programmers think I'm "broken" because BASIC teaches horrible practice and sloppy technique.

So what did you guys first learn?

And for the record, I now know many languages, such as C, Java, Ruby, Python, and C++.

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Hello, I am Eric and I'm new to BBS. But I'm not really new to programming and I just had to ask what your first programming language was. (Sorry if this is a repost).

I personally learned Microsoft BASIC first, because that was the only language my DOS system could interpret. And it was just a good time.

For that reason many programmers think I'm "broken" because BASIC teaches horrible practice and sloppy technique.

So what did you guys first learn?

And for the record, I now know many languages, such as C, Java, Ruby, Python, and C++.
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Hello, I am Eric and I'm new to BBS. But I'm not really new to programming and I just had to ask what your first programming language was. (Sorry if this is a repost).

I personally learned Microsoft BASIC first, because that was the only language my DOS system could interpret. And it was just a good time.

For that reason many programmers think I'm "broken" because BASIC teaches horrible practice and sloppy technique.

So what did you guys first learn?

And for the record, I now know many languages, such as C, Java, Ruby, Python, and C++.

Commodore BASIC on my old C=64. Then Apple BASIC on the Apple IIe. I've been dabbling in python, PHP, and now javascript.

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Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Draco to eric on Fri Jul 19 2013 10:59 am

Commodore BASIC on my old C=64. Then Apple BASIC on the Apple IIe. I've been dabbling in python, PHP, and now javascript.

--Draco

Yeah, didn't you just love BASIC? Those were some good times. Take those GOTO statements all the way to the bank!

Python is a great language; very intellegent, object-oriented, and just kinda makes sense. JS I don't have much experience with, but I'd like to share with you a little saying from the computer science world:
"Any web application that has the potential of being written and implemented in JavaScript WILL eventually be written and implemented in JavaScript."

I always thought that was funny.

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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to All on Thu Jul 18 2013 09:17 pm

Hello, I am Eric and I'm new to BBS. But I'm not really new to programming and I just had to ask what your first programming language was. (Sorry if this is a repost).

I personally learned Microsoft BASIC first, because that was the only language my DOS system could interpret. And it was just a good time.

For that reason many programmers think I'm "broken" because BASIC teaches horrible practice and sloppy technique.

So what did you guys first learn?

And for the record, I now know many languages, such as C, Java, Ruby, Python, and C++.
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Hi Eric. My name is Erich also. Nice to meet you. My first programming language
was BASIC as well then jumped to Assembler and dabbled a little in Pascal. Never studied C++ but was told it's an easy language though. Never heard of Ruby before. BASIC also is slow and has to be compiled to Machine Language to execute correctly.

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Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Draco to eric on Fri Jul 19 2013 10:59 am

Hello, I am Eric and I'm new to BBS. But I'm not really new to programming and I just had to ask what your first programming language was. (Sorry if this is a repost).

I personally learned Microsoft BASIC first, because that was the only language my DOS system could interpret. And it was just a good time.

For that reason many programmers think I'm "broken" because BASIC
teaches horrible practice and sloppy technique.

So what did you guys first learn?

And for the record, I now know many languages, such as C, Java, Ruby, Python, and C++.

Commodore BASIC on my old C=64. Then Apple BASIC on the Apple IIe. I've
been dabbling in python, PHP, and now javascript.

--Draco

Yeah I learned C64 BASIC and ATARI BASIC then moved on to IBM-PC BASIC which had derivatives like GWBASIC and QUICKBASIC. I remember doing the PEEK and POKE
registers in ATARI to perform some amazing feats. It was unreal having an ATARI
800 which had a game system with a computer keyboard built-in. It was the first
computer to eve have both that I have ever heard of at the time in my own opinion.

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Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to Draco on Fri Jul 19 2013 12:35 pm

Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Draco to eric on Fri Jul 19 2013 10:59 am

Commodore BASIC on my old C=64. Then Apple BASIC on the Apple IIe. I've been dabbling in python, PHP, and now javascript.

--Draco

Yeah, didn't you just love BASIC? Those were some good times. Take those GOTO statements all the way to the bank!

Python is a great language; very intellegent, object-oriented, and just kinda makes sense. JS I don't have much experience with, but I'd like to share with you a little saying from the computer science world:
"Any web application that has the potential of being written and
implemented in JavaScript WILL eventually be written and implemented in JavaScript."

I always thought that was funny.

Good luck in your dabbling, and it's really good to be here on BBS! ------------------------
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I loved GOTO and IF THEN statements a lot and plus you can't forget that evil GOSUB which always causes you a hemorrhoid or two if wasn't correctly justified.

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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to All on Thu Jul 18 2013 18:30:00

Hello, I am Eric and I'm new to BBS. But I'm not really new to programming and I just had to ask what your first programming language was. (Sorry if this is a repost).

Hi and welcome. :)

I personally learned Microsoft BASIC first, because that was the only language my DOS system could interpret. And it was just a good time.

My first programming language was also Microsoft BASIC on DOS (using QBASIC).

For that reason many programmers think I'm "broken" because BASIC teaches horrible practice and sloppy technique.

That could be, but for me, I went years in between doing Microsoft BASIC and what I started doing seriously, so I probably forgot the bad habits that BASIC started to teach me. I did a little bit of Microsoft BASIC when I was 12 years old but then didn't do any serious programming until I was about 20 years old and in college, when I started to learn C++. Now I'm pretty good with C++ and also have experience with PHP, JavaScript, Java, and Perl. I've also worked a bit with C# and Python.

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Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to Draco on Fri Jul 19 2013 12:35:10

Yeah, didn't you just love BASIC? Those were some good times. Take those GOTO statements all the way to the bank!

Someone I know once joked that he wanted a language with a "come-from" statement. :P

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Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Nightfox to eric on Fri Jul 19 2013 01:34 pm

Someone I know once joked that he wanted a language with a "come-from" statement. :P

Were that to happen, I would be so elated... Do I smell a new idea for an esoteric language a la LOLCODE?!
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Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: The Millionaire to eric on Fri Jul 19 2013 01:01 pm

I loved GOTO and IF THEN statements a lot and plus you can't forget that evi GOSUB which always causes you a hemorrhoid or two if wasn't correctly justified.

I still have nightmares from GOSUB. Years later. Bad times, those were.

I think many programmers have been driven to drink from the panic that ensues from one of those classic BASIC interpreter errors.
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Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to Nightfox on Fri Jul 19 2013 14:25:21

Were that to happen, I would be so elated... Do I smell a new idea for an esoteric language a la LOLCODE?!

I was only reading about LOLCODE the other day (did someone mention it on Dove?). I do enjoy theoretical, proof of principle things like that.


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Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Lab Rat to eric on Sat Jul 20 2013 12:20 pm

Esoteric languates are the greatest things, in my opinion. You should look them up sometime, they really make programming kind of a fun joke, especially in a field where people take things so serously.

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Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to Lab Rat on Sun Jul 21 2013 06:37 pm

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Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Lab Rat to eric on Sat Jul 20 2013 12:20 pm

Esoteric languates are the greatest things, in my opinion. You should look t up sometime, they really make programming kind of a fun joke, especially in field where people take things so serously.

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Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Corey to eric on Sun Jul 21 2013 19:14:05

eep ork oop ah ah

Jetsons.. :P

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Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Nightfox to eric on Fri Jul 19 2013 01:34 pm

Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to Draco on Fri Jul 19 2013 12:35:10

Yeah, didn't you just love BASIC? Those were some good times. Take those GOTO statements all the way to the bank!

Someone I know once joked that he wanted a language with a "come-from" statement. :P

It already exists: INTERCAL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTERCAL_programming_language#Control_structures

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Re: Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Mon Jul 22 2013 19:33:16

Someone I know once joked that he wanted a language with a "come-from"
statement. :P

It already exists: INTERCAL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTERCAL_programming_language#Control_struct ures

heh.. I like it. :)

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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to All on Thu Jul 18 2013 09:17 pm

Hello, I am Eric and I'm new to BBS. But I'm not really new to programming a nd I just had to ask what your first programming language was.

Hi Eric,
I never became a great programmer, but was exposed to several languages over the years. I started out using DECB Basic on the Color Computer 2. I then got a Coco 3 and moved up to OS-9 and used Basic09 which was great. You could 'compile' it to an icode language and run it the resulting program with a tool called runb.

Around the same time I got exposed to GWbasic and later Quickbasic. Didn't do much with them, but I recall QBasic looking pretty neat. It was similar to Basic09 in that it seemed like a mix of Basic with a little Pascal and had real control structures (discouraging goto).

In my early 20's I started tooling around a bit with Java, C and C++ with most of my experience with Java. There's a lot to recommend all of them. I don't feel any shame in basic. It's an excellent gateway into the programming world IMO. I think that's what's lacking a bit today. Most languages (even the scripting was) can be pretty intimidating to newcomers.

I'm working on Python now.




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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Chris to eric on Thu Jul 25 2013 10:43 pm

You'll have to let me know how the Python goes. I've been interested on learning Python but I figured I'd tackle Ruby first because it's kind of the gateway to some of the non-C-related languages (regardless of the fact that the Ruby interpreter is implemented in C.)

Python seems really nice, and I hear it's resource efficient, so that makes it a good thing for us low-level folks :)

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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to Chris on Sun Jul 28 2013 00:50:47

Python seems really nice, and I hear it's resource efficient, so that makes it a good thing for us low-level folks :)

I've used Python a little bit (not very extensively), but even with my little experience with it, I like it. Python has a fairly good standard library, and I think Python is fairly easy to read (thanks to forcing you to maintain a standard level of indentation). One thing I read about Python a few years ago was that they made some breaking changes in version 3 of Python, so many Python 2.x scripts would be incompatible with Python 3.x. But it has been a few years since I read that, so it's probably not as much of a problem anymore. If you do any new Python development, it should be with Python 3.x.

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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to Chris on Sun Jul 28 2013 00:50:47

Python seems really nice, and I hear it's resource efficient, so that makes it a good thing for us low-level folks :)

I've used Python a little bit (not very extensively), but even with my little experience with it, I like it. Python has a fairly good standard library, and I think Python is fairly easy to read (thanks to forcing you
to maintain a standard level of indentation). One thing I read about
Python a few years ago was that they made some breaking changes in version
3 of Python, so many Python 2.x scripts would be incompatible with Python 3.x. But it has been a few years since I read that, so it's probably not
as much of a problem anymore. If you do any new Python development, it should be with Python 3.x.

They have scripts, that for the most part, translates a 2.x to 3.x code.

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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Nightfox to eric on Mon Jul 29 2013 07:34 pm

I think Python is fairly easy to read (thanks to forcing you to maintain a standard level of indentation). One thing I read about Python a few years a

go

was that they made some breaking changes in version 3 of Python, so many Pyt

hon

2.x scripts would be incompatible with Python 3.x. But it has been a few ye

ars

since I read that, so it's probably not as much of a problem anymore. If yo

u

do any new Python development, it should be with Python 3.x.

Nightfox

From what I've read thus far (I can't speak from experience) they have ported many of the oft used libraries to v3, but yeah you are right. There is quite a bit of incompatibility between the two versions. The way I understand it, OO was basically shoehorned into the earlier version while Version 3 is a complete rewrite in how objects (and I'm sure other types in general) are handled.

I've decided to just start by learning version 3 although from a pragmatic standpoint, it might not be the best idea since so much of the existing code is in V2.X. I'll go back and learn the older stuff as I go, but at the rate of version 3's adoption I'm guessing most people might want to go about it the other way.


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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to Chris on Sun Jul 28 2013 12:50 am

Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Chris to eric on Thu Jul 25 2013 10:43 pm

You'll have to let me know how the Python goes. I've been interested on learning Python but I figured I'd tackle Ruby first because it's kind of the gateway to some of the non-C-related languages (regardless of the fact that

the

Ruby interpreter is implemented in C.)

Python seems really nice, and I hear it's resource efficient, so that makes

it

a good thing for us low-level folks :)

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Hi Eric,
I'll be making notes as I go along, so I'm hoping to post some of that here and on my web forum assuming I can shape it into something people can use.


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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Chris to eric on Wed Jul 31 2013 10:50 pm

Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to Chris on Sun Jul 28 2013 12:50 am

Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Chris to eric on Thu Jul 25 2013 10:43 pm

You'll have to let me know how the Python goes. I've been interested on learning Python but I figured I'd tackle Ruby first because it's kind of gateway to some of the non-C-related languages (regardless of the fact th

the

Ruby interpreter is implemented in C.)

Python seems really nice, and I hear it's resource efficient, so that mak

it

a good thing for us low-level folks :)

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Hi Eric,
I'll be making notes as I go along, so I'm hoping to post some of that here on my web forum assuming I can shape it into something people can use.

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That's really kind of you... Post them when you get them done and I'm sure I'll read them. Python 3 looks interesting, especially giving the new handling of software objects.

Anybody out there do Ruby? I kinda have a soft spot for the pragmatic language from Japan.
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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to Chris on Fri Aug 02 2013 11:53 pm

That's really kind of you... Post them when you get them done and I'm sure I

'll

read them. Python 3 looks interesting, especially giving the new handling of software objects.

Anybody out there do Ruby? I kinda have a soft spot for the pragmatic langua

ge

from Japan.
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So far (and this is a limited sample size) it feels pretty comfortable as a language. I'm only in the early stages of the book I'm working with, but having done varying amounts a Java, Perl, Shell, Basic and a few others (C/C++ in small doses), nothing feels to far out there even with the lack off curly braces and the position dependance.


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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to Chris on Fri Aug 02 2013 11:53 pm

Anybody out there do Ruby? I kinda have a soft spot for the pragmatic langua

ge from Japan.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add:
I would LOVE to learn Ruby also (as I would a few other languages). My focus on Python as well as learning more Unix/Linux Admin stuff (my day job) limits me, but yeah Ruby's a name I've heard over the years and would love to get my hands on it, even if just a little.


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Re: What was your first programming language?
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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to Chris on Fri Aug 02 2013 11:53 pm

Anybody out there do Ruby? I kinda have a soft spot for the pragmatic lan

ge from Japan.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add:
I would LOVE to learn Ruby also (as I would a few other languages). My focus Python as well as learning more Unix/Linux Admin stuff (my day job) limits m but yeah Ruby's a name I've heard over the years and would love to get my ha on it, even if just a little.

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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Corey to Chris on Thu Aug 08 2013 12:41 am

If you all want to learn Ruby, look up _why's (poignant) guide to ruby.

It's really good. Strangely written, but enjoyable.

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Re: What was your first programming language?
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Re: What was your first programming language?
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If you all want to learn Ruby, look up _why's (poignant) guide to ruby.

It's really good. Strangely written, but enjoyable.

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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Corey to Chris on Thu Aug 08 2013 12:41 am

I would have liked to know pascal.
but she moved away before I got brave enoght

"Practise safe Lunch, Use a Condiment"

LOL, same here. I explored her briefly at times, but always wound up getting P-blocked.


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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: Corey to Chris on Thu Aug 08 2013 12:41 am

I would have liked to know pascal.
but she moved away before I got brave enoght

LOL, same here. I explored her briefly at times, but always wound up getting P-blocked.

My first programming language was BASIC. I learned a little bit while my dad would bring home Computer Gazette and Ahoy! magazines from the grocery market. I would practice reading the code on paper then put it into action on my dad's computer. It was a lot of fun. Not really know what I was doing some of the time, it didn't always come out exactly as expected.

... I just let my mind wander, but it didn't come back yet.
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Re: What was your first progr
By: Jon Justvig to All on Sat Aug 10 2013 09:10 pm

My first programming language was BASIC. I learned a little bit while my da would bring home Computer Gazette and Ahoy! magazines from the grocery marke I would practice reading the code on paper then put it into action on my dad computer. It was a lot of fun. Not really know what I was doing some of th time, it didn't always come out exactly as expected.

... I just let my mind wander, but it didn't come back yet.

That brings back fun memories. For me it was Family Computing magazine which had all sorts of basic listings for a bunch of the different 8 bits. I remember always wondering if my Coco 2 or 3 would be supported for a particular listing and it usually was.
It also gave me a chance to look at listings of other machines like the Ataris, Commodores, Apples etc to see how their version of Basic was different then the DECB I was using at the time.

I would love to mess around with Basic09 again but I don't have the time or space for setting it all back up *sigh*.

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Re: What was your first progr
By: Jon Justvig to All on Sat Aug 10 2013 21:10:00

My first programming language was BASIC. I learned a little bit while my dad would bring home Computer Gazette and Ahoy! magazines from the grocery market. I would practice reading the code on paper then put it into action on my dad's computer. It was a lot of fun. Not really know what I was doing some of the time, it didn't always come out exactly as expected.

My dad showed me one of those programming examples in a computer magazine once when I was around 11-12 years old. I thought it was cool, but I felt that I didn't really learn much by typing in someone else's code. It can be useful to learn from other peoples' code though - but I sometimes tend to get lost in other peoples' code since I don't know what their thought process was when they were designing the program and writing the code.

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Re: What was your first progr
By: Jon Justvig to All on Sat Aug 10 2013 09:10 pm

My first programming language was BASIC. I learned a little bit while my da would bring home Computer Gazette and Ahoy! magazines from the grocery marke I would practice reading the code on paper then put it into action on my dad computer. It was a lot of fun. Not really know what I was doing some of th time, it didn't always come out exactly as expected.

That brings back fun memories. For me it was Family Computing magazine which had all sorts of basic listings for a bunch of the different 8
bits. I remember always wondering if my Coco 2 or 3 would be supported
for a particular listing and it usually was.
It also gave me a chance to look at listings of other machines like the Ataris, Commodores, Apples etc to see how their version of Basic was different then the DECB I was using at the time.

That's interesting.

I would love to mess around with Basic09 again but I don't have the
time or space for setting it all back up *sigh*.

I know what you mean about time and space, if only we lived in outerspace where it's not limited. <grin> I tried a little bit assembly which wasn't too tough and had a numberic keypad for that. What was interesting with that was at the end of each line it had a special number at the end of the line that would match what was written on paper to make sure I had entered the line correctly, like code-checking. I thought it was fun.

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Re: What was your first progr
By: Jon Justvig to All on Sat Aug 10 2013 21:10:00

My first programming language was BASIC. I learned a little bit while my dad would bring home Computer Gazette and Ahoy! magazines from the grocery market. I would practice reading the code on paper then put it into action on my dad's computer. It was a lot of fun. Not really know what I was doing some of the time, it didn't always come out exactly as expected.

My dad showed me one of those programming examples in a computer
magazine once when I was around 11-12 years old. I thought it was
cool, but I felt that I didn't really learn much by typing in someone else's code. It can be useful to learn from other peoples' code though
- but I sometimes tend to get lost in other peoples' code since I don't know what their thought process was when they were designing the
program and writing the code.

That's cool your dad showed you programming examples. It is good to learn by example at times, especially when you're new to it. I don't remember my exact age, but it was around your age at the time too. It was fun and if I could do it all over again, I would have not made so many time gaps in between programming periods. And, if you were to include comments in your code then it might make things a bit more clear if you were to work with your sources together with others.

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Re: What was your first progr
By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Sun Aug 11 2013 18:55:00

in between programming periods. And, if you were to include comments in your code then it might make things a bit more clear if you were to work with your sources together with others.

Yes, I think comments in the code are very important. There's nothing worse than trying to read some code that doesn't have any comments at all and not understanding what it's supposed to be doing.

Nightfox

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Re: What was your first progr
By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Sun Aug 11 2013 02:29 pm

My dad showed me one of those programming examples in a computer magazine once when I was around 11-12 years old. I thought it was cool, but I felt that I didn't really learn much by typing in someone else's code. It can be useful to learn from other peoples' code though - but I sometimes tend to get lost in other peoples' code since I don't know what their thought process was when they were designing the program and writing the code.

That's acceptable coming from someone that can code themself. I've witnessed your stuff firsthand, and you're damn good at what you do.

On the other hand, my *only* experience in the coding world is to read other people's code, realize what they're doing, and modify it to do what I want it to do. So I guess it can work both ways, and can be beneficial as well. But I'm one of those that if I open a clean slate with the intention of coding something, I draw blanks, and go nowhere with it. :(

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Re: What was your first progr
By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Sun Aug 11 2013 02:29 pm

My dad showed me one of those programming examples in a computer magazine once when I was around 11-12 years old. I thought it was cool, but I felt that I didn't really learn much by typing in someone else's code. It can be useful to learn from other peoples' code though - but I sometimes tend to get lost in other peoples' code since I don't know what their thought process was when they were designing the program and writing the code.

That's acceptable coming from someone that can code themself. I've witnessed your stuff firsthand, and you're damn good at what you do.

I second that notion!

On the other hand, my *only* experience in the coding world is to read other people's code, realize what they're doing, and modify it to do
what I want it to do. So I guess it can work both ways, and can be beneficial as well. But I'm one of those that if I open a clean slate
with the intention of coding something, I draw blanks, and go nowhere
with it. :(

My recommendation would be to start from the ground up and just build, add to it as you go...or, do some planning/designing at what you're wanting to do and go from there. Right now, I'm with you as far a blank, I've done a lot of work with my door game Legion and now that's it's been sitting there for months on the burning waiting to cook, there's no fire! I'm not sure what to do with it at this point.

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Re: What was your first progr
By: Access Denied to Nightfox on Sun Aug 11 2013 22:16:49

That's acceptable coming from someone that can code themself. I've witnessed your stuff firsthand, and you're damn good at what you do.

Thanks :) I enjoy contributing to the BBS community; I'm glad my add-ons and utilities are useful for others.

On the other hand, my *only* experience in the coding world is to read other people's code, realize what they're doing, and modify it to do what I want it to do. So I guess it can work both ways, and can be beneficial as well. But I'm one of those that if I open a clean slate with the intention of coding something, I draw blanks, and go nowhere with it. :(

That's true, I've had a look at other peoples' code as well to get some help with some things.

Nightfox

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Re: What was your first progr
By: Nightfox to Access Denied on Mon Aug 12 2013 07:03 pm

Thanks :) I enjoy contributing to the BBS community; I'm glad my add-ons and utilities are useful for others.

It's definitely appreciated. If I do actually start a project myself, it will probably have something to do with a lightbar conference selector (your message lister seems to come close, but not exactly what I envision.. and if I were to start with that, it would probably be half rewritten, and I don't want to do that).

Regards,
Nick


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Re: What was your first progr
By: Access Denied to Nightfox on Tue Aug 13 2013 11:43 am

Re: What was your first progr
By: Nightfox to Access Denied on Mon Aug 12 2013 07:03 pm

Thanks :) I enjoy contributing to the BBS community; I'm glad my add-o and utilities are useful for others.

It's definitely appreciated. If I do actually start a project myself, it wil probably have something to do with a lightbar conference selector (your mess lister seems to come close, but not exactly what I envision.. and if I were start with that, it would probably be half rewritten, and I don't want to do that).

Regards,
Nick

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Re: What was your first progr
By: Access Denied to Nightfox on Tue Aug 13 2013 11:43:25

Thanks :) I enjoy contributing to the BBS community; I'm glad my
add-ons and utilities are useful for others.

It's definitely appreciated. If I do actually start a project myself, it will probably have something to do with a lightbar conference selector (your message lister seems to come close, but not exactly what I envision.. and if I were to start with that, it would probably be half rewritten, and I don't want to do that).

I've made some lightbar message & file area choosers, too, if you'd like to check those out. They look fairly similar to my message lister though, but simplified for file/message area selection. Here's a URL: ftp://digdist.bbsindex.com/bbs/SYNC_JS/ddac_105.zip

Nightfox

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Re: What was your first progr
By: Corey to Access Denied on Tue Aug 13 2013 01:22 pm

It's definitely appreciated. If I do actually start a project myself,
it wil probably have something to do with a lightbar conference
selector (your mess lister seems to come close, but not exactly what I
envision.. and if I were start with that, it would probably be half
rewritten, and I don't want to do that).

I had rdos on a dec c100

Sorry there, Corey. I have no idea what you're talking about there. I was talking about Synchronet, Javascript, and making a mod for my BBS. lol

Regards,
Nick


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Re: What was your first progr
By: Nightfox to Access Denied on Tue Aug 13 2013 06:41 pm

I've made some lightbar message & file area choosers, too, if you'd like to check those out. They look fairly similar to my message lister though, but simplified for file/message area selection. Here's a URL: ftp://digdist.bbsindex.com/bbs/SYNC_JS/ddac_105.zip

Cool. I snagged it and will definitely check it out. Though so far it looks like it keeps the default in tact, where you hit "J" from the main menu and it does the group selection first, then jumps right to the area selection. I envision separating this like other softwares do it. You hit "J" to choose your conference/group.. then it joins what you select and goes back to the menu. Then you have to hit "A" or something like that to select what area you want to join.

Though after thinking about it for a sec, that may be beneficial to people that are use to it that way, but it could hurt the process too, to where someone would select a group and post right away, in the first area.. So we'll see. I'll check out yours and see how it works.

Just looking at the file contents of the zip file, I take it all the ansi codes and/or coloring of the lightbar selection screens are done in the .js? As of right now no ansi can be loaded or anything, correct?

You know how I roll man. I always have to make shit difficult. :)

Regards,
Nick


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I've made some lightbar message & file area choosers, too, if you'd like to check those out. They look fairly similar to my message
lister though, but simplified for file/message area selection. Here's a URL: ftp://digdist.bbsindex.com/bbs/SYNC_JS/ddac_105.zip

Cool. I snagged it and will definitely check it out. Though so far it looks like it keeps the default in tact, where you hit "J" from the main menu and it does the group selection first, then jumps right to the area selection.
I envision separating this like other softwares do it. You hit "J" to
choose your conference/group.. then it joins what you select and goes back to the menu. Then you have to hit "A" or something like that to select what area you want to join.

Ah, I made my area choosers work the same way Synchronet does it so that it
can simply be a drop-in replacement. My area choosers are designed to be executed when the user presses J, and it presents the groups first, and when the user selects a group, it then lists the areas and lets the user choose an area.
By "other software", were you referring to other add-ons for Synchronet or other BBS software?

Just looking at the file contents of the zip file, I take it all the ansi codes and/or coloring of the lightbar selection screens are done in the
.js? As of right now no ansi can be loaded or anything, correct?

Yes, all the coloring is done in the .js. All the coloring is for fields that change, such as the message number, subject, and post date, so there's really nothing consistent that could be provided by an ANSI file.

Perhaps at some point I could have my area choosers load configuration files that specify the colors to use.. For now, though, that can be customized by editing the .js.

Nightfox

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Re: What was your first progr
By: Nightfox to Access Denied on Wed Aug 14 2013 12:25 pm

Ah, I made my area choosers work the same way Synchronet does it so that it can simply be a drop-in replacement. My area choosers are designed to be executed when the user presses J, and it presents the groups first, and when the user selects a group, it then lists the areas and lets the user choose an area.

Which is fine, and actually may be a better choice for Synchronet systems in general.

By "other software", were you referring to other add-ons for Synchronet or other BBS software?

Yeah, that's exactly what I was referring to. Usually the "J" command for joining a conference/group is separated from an "A" command for joining a specific area in a conference.

Yes, all the coloring is done in the .js. All the coloring is for fields that change, such as the message number, subject, and post date, so there's really nothing consistent that could be provided by an ANSI file.

What I'm envisioning is being able to display an ansi, then load the lightbars into it with the .js. Kinda like my matrix, or my quick login matrix, or even my goodbye matrix if you've ever noticed.

I'm sure I can just use one of those that I've already done, and just use it to choose conferences/groups and areas, instead of say the matrix commands.

Perhaps at some point I could have my area choosers load configuration files that specify the colors to use.. For now, though, that can be customized by editing the .js.

What you're doing is fine. I just like to put ansi wherever I can, and load a lightbar on top of it.

That's basically what I was getting at when I said if I were to start with your code, it would be half recoded by the time I was done with it. I might as well just start something on my own, since I already have the footprints in a couple other lightbar screens on my system. I would just have to change the lightbar commands and what they actually execute upon selecting them.

Regards,
Nick


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Re: What was your first progr
By: the doctor to ERIC on Sat Aug 17 2013 12:41 am

--- ERIC wrote --

If you all want to learn Ruby, look up _why's (poignant) guide to ruby

It's really good. Strangely written, but enjoyable

QuarkWARE BBS is written entirely in Ruby.

and synchronet was written with java.
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Re: What was your first progr
By: Jon Justvig to Chris on Sun Aug 11 2013 04:30 pm

I know what you mean about time and space, if only we lived in outerspace wh it's not limited. <grin> I tried a little bit assembly which wasn't too tou and had a numberic keypad for that. What was interesting with that was at t end of each line it had a special number at the end of the line that would match what was written on paper to make sure I had entered the line correctl like code-checking. I thought it was fun.

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That's my biggest regret from when I was younger was not learning assembly or even just giving it an honest try (even if I didn't pick it up). It took me forever to get around to C as it was.


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Re: What was your first progr
By: Chris to Jon Justvig on Sun Aug 11 2013 02:23 pm

My first programming language was BASIC. I learned a little bit while
my da would bring home Computer Gazette and Ahoy! magazines from the
grocery marke I would practice reading the code on paper then put it
into action on my dad computer. It was a lot of fun. Not really know

That brings back fun memories. For me it was Family Computing magazine which had all sorts of basic listings for a bunch of the different 8 bits.

For me, I got my BASIC listings from 3-2-1 Contact magazine. :)

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Re: What was your first progr
By: Chris to Jon Justvig on Sun Aug 11 2013 02:23 pm

My first programming language was BASIC. I learned a little bit whil
my da would bring home Computer Gazette and Ahoy! magazines from the
grocery marke Iwould practice reading the code on paper then put it
into action on my dad computer. It was a lot of fun. Not really kno

That brings back fun memories. For me it was Family Computing magazi which had all sorts of basic listings for a bunch of the different 8

For me, I got my BASIC listings from 3-2-1 Contact magazine. :)

My first lingo was also GW-BASIC. It came with my copy of DeskMate for the Tandy 1000 TL/2. I got a computer magazine that had many basic program listings. Then I found a book by David Ahl that have many BASIC computer games. Check these out: http://www.atariarchives.org/bca/

It has the downoadable source code to all the games in the book.

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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to All on Thu Jul 18 2013 06:30 pm

I've taken a slightly different path with regards to programming, and I took 20 years off, but my first programming language was Hypertalk on the Macintosh. Anyhow, I don't know if anyone ever used Hypercard back in the day. my dad worked for apple thru 84-94 and i used to get a few CD-ROMs that would have all the site licensed software for Apple as well as employee Applelink acess which allowed me to really tinker with stuff I had no right to be messing with. but hypercard was my favorite, because i could make my own stuff in it. it didn't give you much low level access, but that wasn't the point.

i remember i could make a simple game with graphics and a user interface during study hall at school. people say that if hypercard had figured out to add network connectivity between the apps, it could have been what is now our World Wide Web. You could draw in it, program, add UI elements, build simple databases.

anyhow, no one took hypercard seriously and i still don't think there's anything out there like it. for some reason, i thought the lessons i learned in hypercard wouldn't really apply to other programming, and while nothing is that simple, squeezing something more complicated out of something that is pretty simple or figuring out what somebody else did to do that.

i only remember one piece of hypercard code, and it was the piece of code that let me take my games from just using animations to being able to interrupt them and be able to interact with the objects as they were moving :

if the click then click the clicklock

it's not solving the davinci code, but i defnitely had my own version of wack-a-mole.

fast forward to 4 months ago, very little coding done in the last 20 years, i start up synchronet and start poking around in the javascript, and now i can do a lot with it. i think anyone who can program and uses synchronet should learn javascript even if they're not into the web. that's why i learned it, and now i found out it's useful for other stuff as well. i was dreading coding after taking so much time off, but once i got familiar with what i was working with relative ease. i am learning some more stuff now on codeacademy and flying through it, although i'm sure i'll need to reference all that stuff again when I need to actually sit down and start working on this next project, which i'm gonna have to use PHP for.

the hardest part for me about getting back into it is not so much the logic, but getting the separate pieces to go together. because i learned on
hypercard which had a lot of pieces built in to make something complex seem simple. that's why i liked learning javascript by tinkering with synchronet, because really there aren't massive amounts of libraries to learn and there are plenty of people doing javascript stuff on the web. you can do something in synchronet that people will think is unique. i think if i had started javascript with some sort of intent of doing something cool on the web i would have gotten annoyed, and i probably wouldn't have bothered to get back into code if i did because i'm not a huge web guy, as many BBS guys aren't.

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Re: What was your first programming language?
By: eric to All on Thu Jul 18 2013 06:30 pm

Hello, I am Eric and I'm new to BBS. But I'm not really new to programming and I just had to ask what your first programming language was. (Sorry if this is a repost).

Borderland PASCAL 6.0 DOS was my first language I took in college (95). Before that, Atari BASIC and a little GW-BASIC, but that was just me tinkering, never got a full grasp of the language.

Oh, in gradeschool (7th) I worked with Apple Logo, and in highschool we had Commodore 128s and did a lot of BASIC coding.


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Re: What was your first programming language?

I don't remember which one for sure, but it was either FORTRAN 77 or
Dartmouth BASIC, in either case accessed remotely from a teletype.
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