Atari X heard from Curt about Proving God? on 01-13-10
Yo,
I was perusing the echo and found this:
"I have proof that god doesn't exist. By that statement, the only thing tha can counter it is to provide proof that he does (if indeed I provide my proo
I am really sorry for calling you an asshole. I just figured that condesendi pricks should be treated as such. I had no idea you were a total retard on t stuff.
Are you keeping your bicycle helmet on when you go out during the day and do your daddy know you are using his computer?
He ate too many paint-chips as a child.
Atari X heard from Curt about Proving God? on 01-13-10
Yo,
I was perusing the echo and found this:
"I have proof that god doesn't exist. By that statement, the only thing tha can counter it is to provide proof that he does (if indeed I provide my proo
I am really sorry for calling you an asshole. I just figured that condesendi pricks should be treated as such. I had no idea you were a total retard on t stuff.
Are you keeping your bicycle helmet on when you go out during the day and do your daddy know you are using his computer?
He ate too many paint-chips as a child.
www.freewebs.com/ralphsmole
bullishmcgee@gmail.com
He makes a metaphysical claim (there is no god), and then insists the claim be true until and unless it can be disproven by physical means.
Completely illogical. It is a stupid, overly worn-out illogical strawman tha barely worth even dealing with anymore.
If there is a an extra-dimensional intelligence affecting things here, we wo not be able to see that entitiy directly because we can only observe in thes dimensions (for now). And it is entirely possible that said entitiy can only interact with our physically observable reality on a quantum level.
Instead of puffing our chests, being condesending and throwiing insults(yes, am guilty of that too), maybe we should spend time actually talking about wh we might have come from and where we might be going with open minds...
Re: I am so sorry
By: Smole to Curt on Thu Jan 14 2010 05:28 am
He ate too many paint-chips as a child.
www.freewebs.com/ralphsmole
bullishmcgee@gmail.com
So, you have this (snide comments and ridicule) instead of a rational argume
I'm disappointed, but not surprised.
Christians crumple so easily.
There is NO arguing with a heathen. You'll never change your view.
Curt, the first one to the ad hominem attack loses.
Re: I am so sorryAXu are bad, I'll burn you in Hell for the rest of eternity?"
It's logical to belive that the Earth is only 6000 years old?
It was a troll
- a very successful one.
And it's funny to watch you
half-baked Christians
try to come up with proof for God that doesn't come out
as, "God exists because I believe he does."
Not true. Although HE may not, I can't speak for him, but most reasonable n>people would be willing to change their view, providing they were convinced n>with evidence.
It is the fundamentalist Christian whose opinon cannot be
changed, no matter what the evidence.
Not true. Although HE may not, I can't speak for him, but most reasonable n>people would be willing to change their view, providing they were convince n>with evidence.
You mean if God physicallly appeared and started slapping you around you mig be reasonable and change your mind?
I'm agnostic actually.
You mean if God physicallly appeared and started slapping you around you mig be reasonable and change your mind?
Curt, the first one to the ad hominem attack loses.
On what planet? I'm pretty sure I can call you name and still be right about being full of shit that science helps your religous belief that there is no
This isn't about winning and losing.
Simple logical, Curt. The first person to resort to personal attacks has run
out of arguments to use. He can't come up with any other retort than a AX>personal attack. In this case, that would be you.
You mean if God physicallly appeared and started slapping you around you mi
be reasonable and change your mind?
Pretty much, yeah, that's what it would take. I ask for nothing more than what
Thomas asked for or Paul.
Yeah, I asked for that once. Instead of getting a beam of light or getting t put my fingers in Jesus' wounds, within a few days of making an honest plea, was walking away from an 85mph head-on collsion with a big palm tree.
5 minutes later I had my 2nd miracle which was not getting shot while beatin the shit out of the sherrif's dog (I made that fu**ing dog lay down and stay there). The next miracle was not pulling more charges for beating the shit of someone in jail for not letting me sleep....
The biggest miracle is the fact I decided to give spiritual principles a fai shot in my life after what I thought God *MIGHT HAVE* done for me. I figured was the leastI could do.
All I know is that I used to be sick, and now I'm a lot less sick. I don't e know or care if God is a force, a 'she' who lives in the earth, a big old gu with a beard and stone tablets - whatever. I don't care. I believe there is physically undetectable compasionate inteligence and that I have somehow tap into that source.
I can't see it. I can only see it's effects and therefore I believe I have a reasonable faith and I also believe it would be unreasonable for me to conti in defacto atheism. My circumstances require me to have open mind.
I can't see it. I can only see it's effects and therefore I believe I have a reasonable faith and I also believe it would be unreasonable for me to conti in defacto atheism. My circumstances require me to have open mind.
So why not take responsibility for your life overhaul, instead of giving AX>responsibility to some unseen force that you only vaguely believe in?
Re: I am so sorry
By: Curt to nightcrawler on Mon Jan 18 2010 08:50 pm
I can't see it. I can only see it's effects and therefore I believe I have
reasonable faith and I also believe it would be unreasonable for me to cont
in defacto atheism. My circumstances require me to have open mind.
Wasn't it you a few messages ago that claimed to be agnostic? Sorry, but you n>pretty much lose all crediblity with me when you start lying.
So why not take responsibility for your life overhaul, instead of giving AX>responsibility to some unseen force that you only vaguely believe in?
Excelent question. The main reason is that me taking responsibility for an overhaul only made things worse to the point where I was nearly killed more once. The overhaul slipped further and further away the harder I tried to re for it. I was utterly powerless to make consecutive good choices for any len of time.
I began to practice the spiritual principles of recovery that were laid down the 12 steps of AA and have been adopted by many organizations and millions people since.
Step 1 got really easy by the time I was willing to take it seriously:
(The X in step 1 is whatever it is that has kicked your ass. It can be dope, women, food, tobacco or whatever)
1. We admitted we were powerless over X - that our lives had become unmanageable.
Fortunately step 1 is the only one that needs working 100%. Step 2 was harde swallow:
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
And I could bore you by going on and on. The point is that with all I've bee through it is now at the point where it is irrational *FOR ME* to proclaim t there is no God with any condfidence. I cannot claim that there IS a God wit much more confidence either. I'm stuck in the middle and frankly it's worrki for me.
But I sure as hell am not going to turn my back on the faith that has borne itself out as the greatest positive *real* force in my life with *real* resu to back it up. That would be stupid on any planet.
All of that sounded reasonable enough until you brought the Cult of AA into it.
All of that sounded reasonable enough until you brought the Cult of AA into i
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