In a reply from Nightfox on 17:05 about Migration from WinXP

hmmm, as long as avg keep working (updates) on xp I'll stay on xp, if not might start looking at linux (not that I want to to), being most of the door might not like win. 7

Why wouldn't the doors not like Win7? From what I've heard, it sounds like the 32-bit edition of Windows 7 should be able run BBS doors without any problems. It would probably still be easier to run BBS doors in Win7 than Linux.

look like win. 7 with 32 bit, sbbs and door like it, the only problem has been allfix (for outbound tix with files - it want to start a square one with files,
that it has sent out, not sure if it from being moved or win 7)

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In a reply from Fireball on 21:49 about Re: Migration from WinXP

hmmm, as long as avg keep working (updates) on xp I'll stay on xp, if not might start looking at linux (not that I want to to), being most of the door might not like win. 7

I was running a linux (Debian) version till the computer died and I am I was contemplating on the new mach

ok

well, you can get a very cheap linux vm and run a bbs on that.
cant do that with windows, really.

you can get a reliable provider for under 5/month with sufficient memory and space for a bbs.

Go check out the forums over at webhostingtalk.com. There are tons VPS offers (you'll need to scroll down a bit) and it's usually pretty cheap. Some are Windows. Be careful though, most of them on have Windows Server 2008 SR2 and 2012, which are both 64-bit and won't run DOS doors without it being a PITA.

ok

I will say, it's much easier to get DOS doors running under 64-bit Linux than 64-bit Windows...

hmm

I had to get a new bbs computer, the old was having problems and the bbs h-d (didn't lose any files), now running under win. 7 32 bit home - it a lot faster

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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Lord Time to Fireball on Thu Dec 26 2013 08:07 pm

you can get a reliable provider for under 5/month with sufficient memory and space for a bbs.

i wouldnt call those providers reliable. i've been down that road and i've seen for myself. you get what you pay for.

Go check out the forums over at webhostingtalk.com. There are tons VPS offers (you'll need to scroll down a bit) and it's usually pretty cheap. Some are Windows. Be careful though, most of them on have Windows Server 2008 SR2 and 2012, which are both 64-bit and won't run DOS doors without

for a vps i'd go on lowendbox. the reviews are great. a lot of these vps providers are shady people. a lot of times they buy the 'business' from other guys and they dont know what they are doing.

i've seen vpses with 32bit windows server 2008 as well as 16bit
amazon also has windows servers you can rent.
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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Mro to All on Fri Dec 27 2013 01:51 am

for a vps i'd go on lowendbox. the reviews are great. a lot of these vps providers are shady people. a lot of times they buy the 'business' from other guys and they dont know what they are doing.

I'm own my own VPS hosting company and web hosting company. I have my own servers, i'm not reselling from someone else.. I know what I'm doing, and I am going to be offerring deep discounts for sysops. It's not something that I am really putting out there all over the place..

I do know what i'm doing, in fact i set it all up myself.. :)

If anyone is interested, email me jason(at)itgwebhosting(dot)com.

Thanks,
Jason



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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Jason to Mro on Fri Dec 27 2013 08:48 pm

I'm own my own VPS hosting company and web hosting company. I have my own servers, i'm not reselling from someone else.. I know what I'm doing, and I

well, you are using alnitech, correct? so you are renting their services/servers and then running vpses for your customers? that's what most vps providers do. though, i've seen some companies provide everything someone needs to run a vps hosting company.

damn, whatever their site is doing with those testimonials is giving waterfox a shitfit. cant load the entire page.
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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Mro to Jason on Sat Dec 28 2013 12:44 am

well, you are using alnitech, correct? so you are renting their services/servers and then running vpses for your customers? that's what most vps providers do. though, i've seen some companies provide everything someone needs to run a vps hosting company.

Thats who my provider is, but i purchased the server and am only renting the rackspace itself... They have no hand in my server whatsoever... There servers aren't that great... Mine is a Dell Poweredge server, all of theirs are "Supermicro"... There servers come with software raids, i have a hardware raid with a perc 5 controller. They use SATA drives, i am using SAS drives, running in a RAID 10, with 4 Hard Drives. I'm also running under VMWare, which isn't even an option for them. So while they have a decent price for their servers, i somehow doubt any of there's could out perform mine. :)

I've been doing hosting since 2001... You're right about one thing, a lot of providers out there make it so easy for someone to just purchase something and then boom they have a hosting company... The people that do that and try to make money probably do under there is a problem. Me, I service my customers and don't have them off to someone else. The only thing I have to hand off is my rDNS because they don't have a way to let me change it on my own. The unfortunate thing about running the hosting company myself is my prices are usually a bit higher because of the costs.. While you can get services from other companies cheaper than me, my core customers all know me because they've needed help 1 time or another and they know i can assist them in whatever they need. Which is why my customers have been with me for years.

Jason

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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Jason to Mro on Sat Dec 28 2013 10:43 am

thing I have to hand off is my rDNS because they don't have a way to let me change it on my own. The unfortunate thing about running the hosting company myself is my prices are usually a bit higher because of the costs.. While you can get services from other companies cheaper than me, my core customers all know me because they've needed help 1 time or another and
they know i can assist them in whatever they need. Which is why my

well i guess if they need the help you are a good bet.

i dont really need help so i use ovh and get a dedicated sever with a lot more[diskspace, bandwidth, muscle] for what you charge with a vps.

my last vps was chigago vps and at that time i had 1 gig of ram with 20gigs hd space for about 10 or maybe 6.99/month.

your prices arent outrageous, though.
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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Lord Time to Fireball on Thu Dec 26 2013 08:07 pm

you can get a reliable provider for under 5/month with sufficient memory and space for a bbs.

i wouldnt call those providers reliable. i've been down that road and i've seen for myself. you get what you pay for.

Maybe true. I've had to wade through a few of the crappier services on there, but I've found 3 different hosts to be reliable enough to stick with. Another one was a real slime bucket and pulled the VPS out from under me 2 days after
I forgot to pay it with 1 warning. Most good providers will only suspend and send at least 3 warnings.

Go check out the forums over at webhostingtalk.com. There are tons
VPS offers (you'll need to scroll down a bit) and it's usually pretty cheap. Some are Windows. Be careful though, most of them on have Windows Server 2008 SR2 and 2012, which are both 64-bit and won't run DOS doors without

for a vps i'd go on lowendbox. the reviews are great. a lot of these vps providers are shady people. a lot of times they buy the 'business' from other guys and they dont know what they are doing.

lowendbox isn't fast enough for me. The updates come too far and few between
on the Windows side.

i've seen vpses with 32bit windows server 2008 as well as 16bit
amazon also has windows servers you can rent.

Some DOS doors have issues running on 32bit 2008. At least that's been my experience. Amazon is expensive for a box that gets a few visitors a month. I really wish someone would do a stable port of dosemu to Windows 64 bit. That would take care of quite a few problems where old DOS stuff is concerned.


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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Fireball to Mro on Fri Jan 03 2014 11:44 am

lowendbox isn't fast enough for me. The updates come too far and few
between on the Windows side.

well, the sites advertised on lowendbox are still applicable; their lack of posting windows vms every month is probably due to windows not being a popular server OS for VMS.

Some DOS doors have issues running on 32bit 2008. At least that's been my experience. Amazon is expensive for a box that gets a few visitors a month.

i ran datastream on a 2008 32bit server and it ran the doors fine.
i also ran it on amazon. expensive is a subjective term. if you are only getting a few visitors a month i think the electricity used to run that one computer is too expensive.

I really wish someone would do a stable port of dosemu to Windows 64 bit. That would take care of quite a few problems where old DOS stuff is concerned.

just use bbsdosbox
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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Fireball to Mro on Fri Jan 03 2014 11:44 am

lowendbox isn't fast enough for me. The updates come too far and few between on the Windows side.

well, the sites advertised on lowendbox are still applicable; their lack of posting windows vms every month is probably due to windows not being a popular server OS for VMS.

Perhaps it's not, which is why I'm running on a CentOS 64-bit VPS.

Some DOS doors have issues running on 32bit 2008. At least that's been
my experience. Amazon is expensive for a box that gets a few visitors a month.

i ran datastream on a 2008 32bit server and it ran the doors fine.
i also ran it on amazon. expensive is a subjective term. if you are only getting a few visitors a month i think the electricity used to run that one computer is too expensive.

Perhaps expensive is subjective. When you don't have much or make much, but still want to enjoy a hobby like this, you do what you can with what you've got.

I really wish someone would do a stable port of dosemu to Windows 64
bit. That would take care of quite a few problems where old DOS stuff is concerned.

just use bbsdosbox

Meh, that version of dosbox is horribly outdated. It still doesn't handle shares and range locking, so multiplayer games are out.

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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Fireball to Mro on Sat Jan 04 2014 02:33 pm

just use bbsdosbox

Meh, that version of dosbox is horribly outdated. It still doesn't handle shares and range locking, so multiplayer games are out.

because all our bbses have multiple people playing the doorgames at the
same time?

now i get more callers than 2 a month. i dont encounter too many people playing the same game at the same time.

i used bbsdosbox and it worked for running doorgames. that's why i mentioned it.
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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Fireball to Mro on Sat Jan 04 2014 02:33 pm

just use bbsdosbox

Meh, that version of dosbox is horribly outdated. It still doesn't
handle shares and range locking, so multiplayer games are out.

because all our bbses have multiple people playing the doorgames at the
same time?

It could happen. I'm not saying it's likely real soon, but it could.

now i get more callers than 2 a month. i dont encounter too many people playing the same game at the same time.

i used bbsdosbox and it worked for running doorgames. that's why i
mentioned it.

Maybe I should take a closer look.

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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Fireball to Mro on Sun Jan 05 2014 12:30 am

Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Fireball to Mro on Sat Jan 04 2014 02:33 pm

just use bbsdosbox

Meh, that version of dosbox is horribly outdated. It still doesn't handle shares and range locking, so multiplayer games are out.

because all our bbses have multiple people playing the doorgames at the same time?

It could happen. I'm not saying it's likely real soon, but it could.

well, there's a setting where you can only let one user in a time, so it wont cause issues.
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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Mro to Fireball on Sun Jan 05 2014 12:00:50

because all our bbses have multiple people playing the doorgames at
the same time?

It could happen. I'm not saying it's likely real soon, but it could.

well, there's a setting where you can only let one user in a time, so it wont cause issues.

I occasionally see more than one user playing door games on my board. So I don't see why you would want to enable a setting to only allow one user in at at time.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Nightfox to Mro on Sun Jan 05 2014 03:12 pm

I occasionally see more than one user playing door games on my board. So I don't see why you would want to enable a setting to only allow one user in at at time.

that feature is there for doorgames that arent multinode capable.
which is a lot of doorgames, actually. whether by design or not.

if by occasion do you mean once a year? cause i've ran a popular gaming bbs and i've never seen more than one person in a specific door at a time.
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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Jan 05 2014 18:48:18

I occasionally see more than one user playing door games on my board.
So I don't see why you would want to enable a setting to only allow
one user in at at time.

that feature is there for doorgames that arent multinode capable.
which is a lot of doorgames, actually. whether by design or not.

if by occasion do you mean once a year? cause i've ran a popular gaming bbs and i've never seen more than one person in a specific door at a
time.

It's not that often, but I have the impression that it's more often than that. I don't sit and watch my BBS machine 24/7 though, so I don't know for sure - but there have been times when I happen to check it and notice a couple users playing a door game. Sometimes there are multiple users playing different door games too.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Fireball to Mro on Sat Jan 04 2014 02:33 pm

Meh, that version of dosbox is horribly outdated. It still doesn't handle shares and range locking,

The new versions do? And they work between separate instances? I can't find a
reference that suggests this is true.

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Hello Mro,

On 05 Jan 14 18:48, Mro wrote to Nightfox:

if by occasion do you mean once a year? cause i've ran a popular
gaming bbs and i've never seen more than one person in a specific door
at a time.

Maybe you have been unseated as God's Gift to BBSing, then. Just last week I had three people playing the same LORD game at the same time.

Maybe the users from your popular gaming BBS left and spread the wealth amongst other BBSs due to the shitty replacement sysop. :D :D :D

Regards,
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Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Access Denied to Mro on Mon Jan 06 2014 01:11 pm

Just last week
I had three people playing the same LORD game at the same time.

it was probably the same guy. there's a few crazy people who do that.

AH HAH! i blew your mind.

Maybe the users from your popular gaming BBS left and spread the wealth amongst other BBSs due to the shitty replacement sysop. :D :D :D

yeah it's really shitty of me how i fixed problems and kept everything running.

honestly though, i havent really met a bbs user i liked in quite a while.
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Hello Mro,

On 06 Jan 14 17:24, Mro wrote to Access Denied:

Just last week
I had three people playing the same LORD game at the same time.

it was probably the same guy. there's a few crazy people who do that.
AH HAH! i blew your mind.

Same guy or not, the fact that you said it never happens was wrong.

Maybe the users from your popular gaming BBS left and spread the
wealth amongst other BBSs due to the shitty replacement sysop. :D
:D :D

yeah it's really shitty of me how i fixed problems and kept everything running.

While that's your point of view, the view of the users may have been different.

honestly though, i havent really met a bbs user i liked in quite a
while.

Maybe it's time for you to hang it up. Your supreme reign of godlike BBSing power is over. :D

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Migration from WinXP
By: Access Denied to Mro on Mon Jan 06 2014 10:14 pm

it was probably the same guy. there's a few crazy people who do that. AH HAH! i blew your mind.

Same guy or not, the fact that you said it never happens was wrong.

you probably made up that story.

honestly though, i havent really met a bbs user i liked in quite a while.

Maybe it's time for you to hang it up. Your supreme reign of godlike BBSing power is over. :D

nah, you guys would all be slitting your wrists and jumping off bridges without me.
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