So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2014? The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support for XP.
I'm debating about moving my BBS to Linux, installing MicroXP on the BBS box, or a little of both -- I was thinking about running the BBS box on Linux and setting up MicroXP in a VM. That'd give me the ability to run the BBS while I move things over to Linux.
So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2014? The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support for XP.
I'm debating about moving my BBS to Linux, installing MicroXP on the BBS box, or a little of both -- I was thinking about running the BBS box on Linux and setting up MicroXP in a VM. That'd give me the ability to run the BBS while I move things over to Linux.
If I stop using the PC I'm currently on, and run the bbs stand alone, I'll keep the Windows 8 & XP VM for the BBS.
I will try my hand with Linux for my personal machine though. I can dual boot and or use VMs for my windows needs.
So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2014? The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support for XP.
Re: Windows XP planning?
By: Poindexter Fortran to All on Mon Dec 23 2013 10:53 am
So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2014? The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support for XP.
i'm going to continue to use windows xp or windows 7 32bit for my bbses.
i dont require ms to make security updates to winxp to continue to run my bb
so you dont have a dedicated server for your bbs?
So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2014 The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support for XP.
I'm debating about moving my BBS to Linux, installing MicroXP on the BBS box or a little of both -- I was thinking about running the BBS box on Linux and setting up MicroXP in a VM. That'd give me the ability to run the BBS while move things over to Linux.
How about you?
Re: Windows XP planning?
By: Mro to IB JOE on Mon Dec 23 2013 05:54 pm
so you dont have a dedicated server for your bbs?
Nope, I don't do much on it, I have a laptop. It really is 80% bbs, 20% oth tyhings... mainly my wife doing the odd little thing on it.
Joe
So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes
in 2014? The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping
support for XP.
I'm debating about moving my BBS to Linux, installing MicroXP on the
BBS box, or a little of both -- I was thinking about running the BBS
box on Linux and setting up MicroXP in a VM. That'd give me the
ability to run the BBS while I move things over to Linux.
How about you?
I've considered using Linux though. From what I've heard, getting DOS doors to work using DOSBox in Linux isn't very difficult.
Re: Windows XP planning?
By: Mro to IB JOE on Mon Dec 23 2013 05:54 pm
so you dont have a dedicated server for your bbs?
Nope, I don't do much on it, I have a laptop. It really is 80% bbs, 20% other tyhings... mainly my wife doing the odd little thing on it.
I'm debating about moving my BBS to Linux, installing MicroXP on the BBS box or a little of both -- I was thinking about running the BBS box on Linux and setting up MicroXP in a VM. That'd give me the ability to run the BBS while
So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2014? The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support for XP.
I'm debating about moving my BBS to Linux, installing MicroXP on the BBS box, or a little of both -- I was thinking about running the BBS box on Linux and setting up MicroXP in a VM. That'd give me the ability to run the BBS while I move things over to Linux.
How about you?
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So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2014? The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support for XP.
I've considered using Linux though. From what I've heard, getting DOS doors to work using DOSBox in Linux isn't very difficult.
Be happy, switch to gnu/linux...
I'm still running a Win2K Pro and a Win2K Server. Not supported <> Not working. XP is perfect for my BBS needs, I see no reason to move anytime soon.
I wonder if Microsoft will take any heat if a 0-day exploits XP boxes on
the net. I suppose that'll be all they need to move forward with
cloud-based per-month Windows subscriptions. :)
I've considered using Linux though. From what I've heard, getting
DOS doors to work using DOSBox in Linux isn't very difficult.
Dosbox won't let you run multiple instances, but Dosemu is definitely the way to go as far as DOS doors are concerned.
Also, as far as XP goes, I don't think it will affect BBSing much. People still run BBSs on OS/2 and DOS, which haven't been supported in quite some
time.
Also, as far as XP goes, I don't think it will affect BBSing
much. People still run BBSs on OS/2 and DOS, which haven't been
supported in quite some
time.
That's true. Simply ending support for an OS isn't going to deter
sysops from running a BBS on that OS.
So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2014? The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support for XP.
I'm debating about moving my BBS to Linux, installing MicroXP on the BBS box, or a little of both -- I was thinking about running the BBS box on Linux and setting up MicroXP in a VM. That'd give me the ability to run the BBS while I move things over to Linux.
How about you?
I would think the only thing it's really going to affect would be bigger (or any, I suppose) companies that still run XP and have a lot of people's
livelihood and/or account information in their hands and would need to stay up-to-date as far as OS security goes.
Somewhat off the topic, I have a Intel Mac running OSX 10.5 (2007) and I
was surprised that I couldn't update to current firefox or flash
player. I only use it for my daughter to play some games on Disney or Nick Jr website.
I would think the only thing it's really going to affect would be bigger (or any, I suppose) companies that still run XP and have a lot of people's
livelihood and/or account information in their hands and would need to stay up-to-date as far as OS security goes. Otherwise it's just like any other unsupported OS out there. The only reason XP is a bigger stink than any other is because it's been around the longest, and in all honesty is probably the most used at those levels where changes would have to be made.
So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2014 The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support for XP.
I'm debating about moving my BBS to Linux, installing MicroXP on the BBS box or a little of both -- I was thinking about running the BBS box on Linux and setting up MicroXP in a VM. That'd give me the ability to run the BBS while move things over to Linux.
How about you?
Re: Windows XP planning?
By: Access Denied to Nightfox on Wed Dec 25 2013 22:46:00
I would think the only thing it's really going to affect would be bigge (or any, I suppose) companies that still run XP and have a lot of peopl
livelihood and/or account information in their hands and would need to stay up-to-date as far as OS security goes. Otherwise it's just like an other unsupported OS out there. The only reason XP is a bigger stink th any other is because it's been around the longest, and in all honesty i probably the most used at those levels where changes would have to be made.
I agree. Businesses that use Windows should definitely update to a version that is supported by Microsoft so they'll continue to get security updates.
I'm using Windows XP on my BBS machine, and if I were to upgrade it, I'm debating whether I'd want to upgrade it to Windows 7 or 8.1. I like Windows for the classic Windows interface (I don't like the Windows 8 interface much but updating to Windows 8.1 would mean that support from Microsoft would las longer.
Thankfully Microsoft provides a 32-bit version of Windows 8.1, so DOS doors should still work easily with it. I've been wondering when Microsoft will d their 32-bit versions of Windows. When that happens, I'd have to consider running my BBS in Linux (since I know DOS doors work with Dosemu there) or s if there are any solutions for 64-bit versions of Windows. I haven't looked into that too much for the Windows side, but I seem to remember seeing some posts on Dove-Net about running DOS doors in 64-bit editions of Windows, so imagine it's doable.
Nightfox
Re: Windows XP planning?
By: Poindexter Fortran to All on Mon Dec 23 2013 10:53 am
So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2 The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support for XP.
I'm debating about moving my BBS to Linux, installing MicroXP on the BBS or a little of both -- I was thinking about running the BBS box on Linux setting up MicroXP in a VM. That'd give me the ability to run the BBS whi move things over to Linux.
How about you?
MOving to Linux is a great project if you've never done it before.. but as f as Windows XP.. whether support dies out or not.. if it works.. don't fix it with my current Synchronet setup, with SP3 on XP... I could run this BBS for the next 50 years...unless something major happens in the technology world t just alters the way we do things now.
Ron
and some windows are perfect as they are.
win 2000 server is used for everything from kiosks to POS systems and more. maybe restaurant use it for a base to thier inhouse systems using a java interface GUI
Linux is a great OS. everything from slots to arcade games use it for thier I helped a friend fix his 24000.00 House of the dead 4 theatre last summer. wouldnt start up, turns out busybox got corrupted. it was used to init all t hardware and network before the main game was loaded. opened the service doo and seen a custom dell pc bolted to the service deck. it even gave the error message on the service monitor, cannot contact network. system halted.
far as Windows XP.. whether support dies out or not.. if it works.. don't fix it.. with my current Synchronet setup, with SP3 on XP... I could run this BBS for the next 50 years...unless something major happens in the technology world that just alters the way we do things now.
and some windows are perfect as they are.
win 2000 server is used for everything from kiosks to POS systems and more. maybe restaurant use it for a base to thier inhouse systems using a java interface GUI
Re: Windows XP planning?
By: Curly to The Extremist on Thu Dec 26 2013 01:13 pm
Linux is a great OS. everything from slots to arcade games use it for thi I helped a friend fix his 24000.00 House of the dead 4 theatre last summe wouldnt start up, turns out busybox got corrupted. it was used to init al hardware and network before the main game was loaded. opened the service and seen a custom dell pc bolted to the service deck. it even gave the er message on the service monitor, cannot contact network. system halted.
Yep, it is a great OS. being FREE as well.. I started out using Linux when Debian put out thier first release.. no real GUI except for "X", and then RedHat when it came out.. and now I use a flavor or Ubuntu... good stuff...
I just like using XP for the BBS stuff.. without having to run all the EMU stuff... plus all the different programs that one might user for BBSing are widely available. Just easier to play with for a fun hobby that doesn't need feel like work..ehe
Ron
Re: Windows XP planning?
By: Curly to Nightfox on Thu Dec 26 2013 01:09 pm
and some windows are perfect as they are.
win 2000 server is used for everything from kiosks to POS systems and more. maybe restaurant use it for a base to thier inhouse systems using java interface GUI
My office's voice mail system is running on Windows NT 4.0 embedded. Can't change it, don't need to, since it's running an equipment lan that doensn't touch the outside world.
and most of the old voice hardware dont work on modern oses.
my friend lost a 25 line voice system named EVE that ran on voice cards.
a modern system to replace it was over 25 grand
I though ubuntu came from the debian tree.
I wonder if Microsoft will take any heat if a 0-day exploits XP boxesi think 14 years puts it in "use at your own risk" territory.
on the net. I suppose that'll be all they need to move forward with
cloud-based per-month Windows subscriptions. :)
Somewhat off the topic, I have a Intel Mac running OSX 10.5 (2007) and I
was surprised that I couldn't update to current firefox or flash
player. I only use it for my daughter to play some games on Disney or Nick Jr website.
I would think the only thing it's really going to affect would be
bigger (or any, I suppose) companies that still run XP and have a
lot of people's
livelihood and/or account information in their hands and would
need to stay up-to-date as far as OS security goes.
My company had a couple of groups that wanted to stay on XP after the deadline; Microsoft quoted us some outrageous fees for support. I want
to say mid six figures.
I would think the only thing it's really going to affect would be
bigger (or any, I suppose) companies that still run XP and have a
lot of people's
livelihood and/or account information in their hands and would
need to stay up-to-date as far as OS security goes. Otherwise
it's just like any other unsupported OS out there. The only
reason XP is a bigger stink than any other is because it's been
around the longest, and in all honesty is probably the most used
at those levels where changes would have to be made.
I agree. Businesses that use Windows should definitely update to a version that is supported by Microsoft so they'll continue to get
security updates.
I'm using Windows XP on my BBS machine, and if I were to upgrade it,
I'm debating whether I'd want to upgrade it to Windows 7 or 8.1. I
like Windows 7 for the classic Windows interface (I don't like the
Windows 8 interface much), but updating to Windows 8.1 would mean that support from Microsoft would last longer.
Thankfully Microsoft provides a 32-bit version of Windows 8.1, so DOS doors should still work easily with it. I've been wondering when Microsoft will drop their 32-bit versions of Windows. When that
happens, I'd have to consider running my BBS in Linux (since I know
DOS doors work with Dosemu there) or see if there are any solutions
for 64-bit versions of Windows. I haven't looked into that too much
for the Windows side, but I seem to remember seeing some posts on
Dove-Net about running DOS doors in 64-bit editions of Windows, so
I imagine it's doable.
How much longer do you think? I have no idea, but I could swear Windows 7 was only out about a year or two before 8 came out.
Either way, if XP was
supported for what, 10+ years? I think you'd be able to safely upgrade to whichever one you wanted and not have to worry for awhile - unless M$ decides to tighten their grip on your balls, of course. :)
How much longer do you think? I have no idea, but I could swear Windows 7 was only out about a year or two before 8 came out. Either way, if XP was supported for what, 10+ years? I think you'd be able to safely upgrade to whichever one you wanted and not have to worry for awhile - unless M$
I think the only way to do anything in 64bit Windows, is to run a VM with a 32bit Windows operating system in it. Otherwise I believe DOS door are impossible, unless you try and succeed with Dosbox, where you'll be stuck with only single node gaming support. I'm not even sure that's possible, as I've never seen anyone try.
Yeah, Windows XP was supported for a very long time. But as has been said, I doubt it really matters how long Microsoft will continue to support Windows XP - BBS sysops will be able to continue to use it. I was even running my BBS in Windows 2000 until just a year or two ago. The main
if you think about it, it's pretty impressive that winxp was used for so long. they really got it right that time.
I think the only way to do anything in 64bit Windows, is to run a VM with a 32bit Windows operating system in it. Otherwise I believe DOS door are impossible, unless you try and succeed with Dosbox, where you'll be stuck with only single node gaming support. I'm not even sure that's possible, as I've never seen anyone try.
It was impressive. I think XP was one of the best versions of Windows.
But I'm not sure if its long lifetime was completely to Microsoft getting
it right. I heard Microsoft's schedule for Vista was pushed back quite a bit. For instance, I remember hearing around 2003-2004 that Microsoft was
sure that's possible, as I've never seen anyone try.
Windows 7 32 & oe 64 bit will not support 16 bit dos doors. Just use a VM with XP on it if you need to have DOS doors.
windows 7 32bit does support dos doors.
you just have to copy the fossil to windows/system32 like you've had to since vista.
windows 7 32bit does support dos doors.
you just have to copy the fossil to windows/system32 like you've had
to since vista.
I didn't get that memo... so windows 8 32 bit will work as well then??
Windows 7 32 & oe 64 bit will not support 16 bit dos doors. Just
use a VM with XP on it if you need to have DOS doors.
windows 7 32bit does support dos doors.
you just have to copy the fossil to windows/system32 like you've had
to since vista.
Re: Windows XP planning?
By: Mro to IB JOE on Sat Dec 28 2013 01:27 pm
windows 7 32bit does support dos doors.
you just have to copy the fossil to windows/system32 like you've
had to since vista.
I didn't get that memo... so windows 8 32 bit will work as well then??
32bit versions of Windows, though. 64bit is still damn near impossible -
and if there ever was a way to do it, it's probably obsolete and/or
outdated by now (referring to whatever Mro was talking about.. some kind of modified DOSBox or something).
Re: Windows XP planning?
By: Poindexter Fortran to All on Mon Dec 23 2013 10:53 am
So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2 The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support for XP.
I'm debating about moving my BBS to Linux, installing MicroXP on the BBS or a little of both -- I was thinking about running the BBS box on Linux setting up MicroXP in a VM. That'd give me the ability to run the BBS whi move things over to Linux.
How about you?
MOving to Linux is a great project if you've never done it before.. but as f as Windows XP.. whether support dies out or not.. if it works.. don't fix it with my current Synchronet setup, with SP3 on XP... I could run this BBS for the next 50 years...unless something major happens in the technology world t just alters the way we do things now.
Ron
i'm pretty sure you can use bbsdosbox to launch games in win64.
depends on if you think having one user in a game at a time is a big
deal. i dont get many users in the same game, so it wouldnt be for me. still, i choose to run in a 32bit environment. i got enough probs.
still, i choose to run in a 32bit environment. i got enough probs.
There may be a day where Windows stops making a 32bit version of their
OS, but until then, there's really no need to force the issue.
It's in the Synchronet documentation. There's a specific .DLL file you need to copy to the system32 folder and DOS doors will work. That's only for 32bit versions of Windows, though. 64bit is still damn near impossible - and if there ever was a way to do it, it's probably obsolete and/or outdated by now (referring to whatever Mro was talking about.. some kind of modified DOSBox or something).
If I stay with windows I will just get a 32 bit version, seems simple enopugh. But I am thinking about Linux as well. I think for ease I
may just stay with Windows on my BBS machine and run linux on my
personal machine
I run my BBS on Linux. Over the years I've become quite comfortable with it as well. Door games are a breeze to setup, and I basically have most of my technical crap scripted so I don't have to do stuff manually (send nodelist segments, hatch files, update dynamic DNS, and the list goes on). I rarely have to reboot unless there's an important security update in a kernel upgrade I want to switch to. Whereas when I ran Windows I would have to reboot the machine at least monthly otherwise things would get incredibly slow and odd quirks would start occurring. I'm happy with it, and I guess that's all that matters (whatever makes it easier on me, and leaves me to enjoy doing other things as well). YMMV.
Things to think about...
The learning curve with Linux is my only concern. I didn't want to
add the BBS onto that.
I'll play with it in a VM for a bit to see what comes of it. I did
want to have a dialup node though, this is why I was thinking
windows... there seems to be more support there.
times you'll try using "copy" and "move" on Linux, lol). You'll get the hang of it, and probably realize that all the basics are there just like Windows.
times you'll try using "copy" and "move" on Linux, lol). You'll get
the hang of it, and probably realize that all the basics are there
just like Windows.
Hello Mro,
On 28 Dec 13 23:21, Mro wrote to Access Denied:
i'm pretty sure you can use bbsdosbox to launch games in win64.
depends on if you think having one user in a game at a time is a big deal. i dont get many users in the same game, so it wouldnt be for me. still, i choose to run in a 32bit environment. i got enough probs.
Agreed, and most people seem to think the same way I'm guessing. Anyone that comes around and asks, usually gets pointed to running a 32bit Windows, and haven't come across anyone in a long time that has actually tried it and was successful at it, otherwise more and more people would be doing it.
There may be a day where Windows stops making a 32bit version of their OS, b until then, there's really no need to force the issue.
Regards,
Nick
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So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2014? The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support
for XP.
convert your bbs to android and run it on your phone
Mro wrote to Pbmountaincat <=-
Re: Re: Windows XP planning?
By: Pbmountaincat to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jan 11 2014 10:33 pm
At work we started a few weeks ago rebuilding users systems with Windows 7 (no upgrade path). To have them all switched out by the deadline, we need to rebuild over 140 systems a month.
wow, they waited THAT long to switch from windows xp?
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Re: Re: Windows XP planning?
By: Pbmountaincat to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jan 11 2014 10:33 pm
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your website is throwing up a false positive for a redirector script. avast is preventing me from visiting it.
... well looks like the .com is just doing it
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Re: Re: Windows XP planning?
By: Pbmountaincat to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jan 11 2014 10:33 pm
We should all thank the powers that be for doing what they do. Y2K kept
us all employed during Y2K and 2000-2001, and XP has keps a lot of
Yep, Job security. LOL. Some users say what would you do if I didn't call everyday. :)
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