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I have been running a preview version for months now. Granted its a 64 bit version, but it still has the CMD window.

There's a command prompt, but it can't run 16-bit "old" DOS apps. 32
bit OSes can run DOS apps in a virtual DOS environment called a VDM.




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Joe Delahaye wrote to DesotoFireflite <=-

I have been running a preview version for months now. Granted its a bit version, but it still has the CMD window.

There's a command prompt, but it can't run 16-bit "old" DOS apps. 32
bit OSes can run DOS apps in a virtual DOS environment called a VDM.

I have my Mystic bbs running on Windows 10. Doors all work, well those that
I have tried. There were a few things I had to do to make win10 run the
16bit doors, but once I found the answers, run like a charm.

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Re: Re: Windows 10
By: Poindexter Fortran to Joe Delahaye on Tue Jul 28 2015 11:16 am

There's a command prompt, but it can't run 16-bit "old" DOS apps. 32
bit OSes can run DOS apps in a virtual DOS environment called a VDM.

Thanks, thats the info I wanted. I'm staying with 7

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Re: Re: Windows 10
By: DesotoFireflite to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Aug 10 2015 03:01 pm

Re: Re: Windows 10
By: Poindexter Fortran to Joe Delahaye on Tue Jul 28 2015 11:16 am

There's a command prompt, but it can't run 16-bit "old" DOS apps. 32 bit OSes can run DOS apps in a virtual DOS environment called a VDM.

Thanks, thats the info I wanted. I'm staying with 7

It appears that Windows 10 is no different from the other versions of Windows NT in this regard. Just use a 32-bit edition and you should be fine.

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Re: Re: Windows 10
By: Ruben Figueroa to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Aug 10 2015 13:46:40

its a bit version, but it still has the CMD window.

There's a command prompt, but it can't run 16-bit "old" DOS apps. 32
bit OSes can run DOS apps in a virtual DOS environment called a VDM.

I have my Mystic bbs running on Windows 10. Doors all work, well those that I have tried. There were a few things I had to do to make win10 run the 16bit doors, but once I found the answers, run like a charm.

I'm guessing you're probably using the 32-bit edition of Windows 10. 64-bit editions of Windows don't have the DOS VDM and thus can't run DOS programs easily.

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Re: Re: Windows 10
By: DesotoFireflite to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Aug 10 2015 15:01:08

There's a command prompt, but it can't run 16-bit "old" DOS apps. 32
bit OSes can run DOS apps in a virtual DOS environment called a VDM.

Thanks, thats the info I wanted. I'm staying with 7

I imagine you could probably use the 32-bit edition of Windows 10 to run DOS apps. Ruben Figueroa posted a message here saying he's running his BBS in Windows 10.

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Re: Re: Windows 10
By: DesotoFireflite to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Aug 10 2015 03:01 pm

Re: Re: Windows 10
By: Poindexter Fortran to Joe Delahaye on Tue Jul 28 2015 11:16 am

There's a command prompt, but it can't run 16-bit "old" DOS apps. 32 bit OSes can run DOS apps in a virtual DOS environment called a VDM.

Thanks, thats the info I wanted. I'm staying with 7

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If you have a win32 windows 7, which you have to have if it's running 16 bit doors, then you will receive a 32 bit Windows 10 upgrade.

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I have my Mystic bbs running on Windows 10. Doors all work, well thos that I have tried. There were a few things I had to do to make win10 the 16bit doors, but once I found the answers, run like a charm.

I'm guessing you're probably using the 32-bit edition of Windows 10. 64-bit editions of Windows don't have the DOS VDM and thus can't run DOS programs easily.

Yes I am. I already new 64-bit did not support DOS VDM

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I have my Mystic bbs running on Windows 10. Doors all work, well thos that I have tried. There were a few things I had to do to make win10 the 16bit doors, but once I found the answers, run like a charm.

What problems? I am also now running Synchronet on windows 10 32 bit.
So far so good. No major problems

Actually I didn't know that NTVDM was not installed by the upgrade to Windows 10. When I did get it installed, I still could not run the 16bit doors.
Then I found out to disabl NTVDM, then open a command prompt window, go to properties and check Legacy. Then go back to windows features and enable NTVDM. Then all the doors worked except one that was misconfigured.

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Re: Re: Windows 10
By: Nightfox to DesotoFireflite on Mon Aug 10 2015 03:26 pm

I imagine you could probably use the 32-bit edition of Windows 10 to run DOS apps. Ruben Figueroa posted a message here saying he's running his BBS in Windows 10.

I'm also running capitol shrill (synchronet) and nola carrier (mystic) both in windows 10 (32 bit) without any issues.

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Re: Re: Windows 10
By: Digital Man to DesotoFireflite on Mon Aug 10 2015 03:38 pm

It appears that Windows 10 is no different from the other versions of Windows NT in this regard. Just use a 32-bit edition and you should be fine.

I was kida figuring that. I havn't heard any horror stories yet. Thanks for the reply Rob.

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Re: Re: Windows 10
By: Nightfox to DesotoFireflite on Mon Aug 10 2015 03:26 pm

I imagine you could probably use the 32-bit edition of Windows 10 to run DOS apps. Ruben Figueroa posted a message here saying he's running his BBS in Windows 10.

Yeah, I just saw that. Looks like the same as win 7, no surprises. Thaks for the follow up :)

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Re: Re: Windows 10
By: Exaurdon to DesotoFireflite on Mon Aug 10 2015 04:31 pm

If you have a win32 windows 7, which you have to have if it's running 16 bit doors, then you will receive a 32 bit Windows 10 upgrade.

That's what I am reading. I light of all the positive feedback, I guess I will take the plunge and go win10. Thanks for the info

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10 Aug 15 21:06, you wrote to Joe Delahaye:

What problems? I am also now running Synchronet on windows 10 32
bit. So far so good. No major problems

Actually I didn't know that NTVDM was not installed by the upgrade to Windows 10.

what flavor of w10 is this, ruben? 32bit or 64bit? your experiances may hold the key for those running the 64bit flavor who still need to be able to run some 16bit programs...

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Re: Re: Windows 10
By: Ruben Figueroa to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Aug 10 2015 13:46:40

There's a command prompt, but it can't run 16-bit "old" DOS apps. 32
bit OSes can run DOS apps in a virtual DOS environment called a VDM.

32 bit OS can indeed run DOS programs in a cmd prompt. It may be virtual but it works well. I ran the DOS version of Synchronet in a 32 bit windows OS

I have my Mystic bbs running on Windows 10. Doors all work, well those that I have tried. There were a few things I had to do to make win10 run the 16bit doors, but once I found the answers, run like a charm.

What problems? I am also now running Synchronet on windows 10 32 bit. So far so good. No major problems
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Re: Re: Windows 10
By: Poindexter Fortran to Joe Delahaye on Tue Jul 28 2015 11:16:00

I have been running a preview version for months now. Granted its a
64 bit version, but it still has the CMD window.

There's a command prompt, but it can't run 16-bit "old" DOS apps. 32
bit OSes can run DOS apps in a virtual DOS environment called a VDM.

64 bit OS cannot run any 16 bit program, be it Dos or native windows I had a few of those, and I forgot and installed a 64 bit version because I thought they were windows programs and should work. Not happening :( Oh well not a big deal.
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Re: Re: Windows 10
By: Nightfox to DesotoFireflite on Mon Aug 10 2015 15:26:21

I imagine you could probably use the 32-bit edition of Windows 10 to run DOS apps. Ruben Figueroa posted a message here saying he's running his BBS in Windows 10.
Nightfox

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Re: Re: Windows 10
By: Ruben Figueroa to Joe Delahaye on Mon Aug 10 2015 21:06:53

What problems? I am also now running Synchronet on windows 10 32
bit. So far so good. No major problems

Actually I didn't know that NTVDM was not installed by the upgrade to Windows 10. When I did get it installed, I still could not run the 16bit doors.
Then I found out to disabl NTVDM, then open a command prompt window, go to properties and check Legacy. Then go back to windows features and enable NTVDM. Then all the doors worked except one that was misconfigured.

I was asked if I wanted to install that <G> I thought however, that the classic setup only referred to the way the command window was presented. According to the M$ website, the new cmd/dos window installation does so much more then it did in previous versions of windows. Dunno about that.
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