• Hosting QWK Network

    From Patch@VERT to All on Mon May 16 10:24:09 2016
    I'm tyring to get our area BBS's into our own network. I've configured the files needed in order for new users to be prompted if they are 1.) Sysop, and 2.) Account Used for QWK.


    I've created new message bases specifically for Utah systems and users. I've asked a few of the systems to connect and create QWK accounts, posted test messages but so far nothing has been replied to.

    DM asked me to remove the network name from bbs -> config -> networks area, saying that if I am the host then nothing should be in there.

    I've done that, but still nothing comes through.

    What am I missing and doing wrong? How can I create and get systems actively into the local network so that we can coordinate events, etc.?

    Any help is greatly appreciated!


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Patch on Mon May 16 15:12:27 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Patch to All on Mon May 16 2016 10:24 am

    I'm tyring to get our area BBS's into our own network. I've configured the files needed in order for new users to be prompted if they are 1.) Sysop, and 2.) Account Used for QWK.


    I've created new message bases specifically for Utah systems and users.
    I've asked a few of the systems to connect and create QWK accounts, posted test messages but so far nothing has been replied to.

    DM asked me to remove the network name from bbs -> config -> networks area, saying that if I am the host then nothing should be in there.

    I've done that, but still nothing comes through.

    If "nothing has been replied to", then what would you expect?

    What am I missing and doing wrong?

    Maybe nothing? If no systems have linked with yours via QWKnetworking and subsequently posted messages on your networked conferences, then I would not expect to see anything "come through".

    How can I create and get systems
    actively into the local network so that we can coordinate events, etc.?

    Are there other systems that you're corrdinating with?

    digital man

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  • From Patch@VERT to Digital Man on Mon May 16 20:08:26 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Digital Man to Patch on Mon May 16 2016 03:12 pm

    If "nothing has been replied to", then what would you expect?

    Honestly I think that you're spot on with that.

    After I posted the question I went through the new user process and added a QWK account.

    One of the things that I noticed is that in the QWK menu you can configure the message areas to get information from, right?

    So wouldn't that be all that's needed?


    Maybe nothing? If no systems have linked with yours via QWKnetworking and subsequently posted messages on your networked conferences, then I would not expect to see anything "come through".

    I am trying to test this out with two systems right now ... I'm hoping to get some feedback from them about what they are experiencing, but so far nada.

    To be sure of myself, they need to create a QWK account on my board using their QWK network name and password ... just like as if we were connecting to Vert?!


    Are there other systems that you're corrdinating with?

    Yes ... at least two, and I'm told that there are other Utah-based systems that would be interested since from what I understand there was a local network that they once belonged to using the same name that I chose.

    Go figure ... so much for trying to be unique! =)



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Patch on Mon May 16 22:22:34 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Patch to Digital Man on Mon May 16 2016 08:08 pm

    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Digital Man to Patch on Mon May 16 2016 03:12 pm

    If "nothing has been replied to", then what would you expect?

    Honestly I think that you're spot on with that.

    After I posted the question I went through the new user process and added a QWK account.

    One of the things that I noticed is that in the QWK menu you can configure the message areas to get information from, right?

    There is a QWK menu option to configure the "message scan" which determines which message areas are included in the QWK packet that is created by the BBS and sent to (downloaded by) the QWKnet user account.

    So wouldn't that be all that's needed?

    I'm not really sure what you mean. Needed for what?

    Maybe nothing? If no systems have linked with yours via QWKnetworking and subsequently posted messages on your networked conferences, then I would not expect to see anything "come through".

    I am trying to test this out with two systems right now ... I'm hoping to get some feedback from them about what they are experiencing, but so far nada.

    To be sure of myself, they need to create a QWK account on my board using their QWK network name and password ... just like as if we were connecting to Vert?!

    Yes. And they would have to configure something on their BBS software to "call" your BBS and transfer message packets.

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  • From Patch@VERT to Digital Man on Tue May 17 07:59:52 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Digital Man to Patch on Mon May 16 2016 10:22 pm

    Yes. And they would have to configure something on their BBS software to "call" your BBS and transfer message packets.

    Gah, I thought so. Thanks for the clarification on that.

    They would just need to set up the Network -> QWK portion in BBS Configure to 'call out' and obtain the information.

    Remembering how QWK was, it basically archived up messages to the bases that you subscribed to for offline reading.

    In this case, which I think is quite ingenious to be honest, you've made it essentially a network packet.

    Again, thanks for the clarification. I'll see if the other SysOps have that setup and see what result we get from that.


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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Patch on Wed May 18 06:53:26 2016
    17 May 16 07:59, you wrote to Digital Man:

    Remembering how QWK was, it basically archived up messages to the
    bases that you subscribed to for offline reading.

    In this case, which I think is quite ingenious to be honest, you've
    made it essentially a network packet.

    QWK networking has been around forever... PCRelay/RIME was QWK networking as were several other networks... it all stems from the PCBoard message base format...

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  • From Immortal@VERT to Patch on Wed May 18 14:01:12 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Patch to Digital Man on Mon May 16 2016 20:08:26

    I am trying to test this out with two systems right now ... I'm hoping to get some feedback from them about what they are experiencing, but so far nada.

    I've got my QWK account created on your system and think I have everything configured to "poll" you and get messages. I've got the message areas set up but cannot link them until I know your conference numbers. I think you need to go into "advanced options" under each message area and change it from dynamic to any number, and then tell me what the correct number is for each message base. Then I believe it will work.

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  • From Pbmountaincat@VERT to mark lewis on Wed May 25 14:41:35 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: mark lewis to Patch on Wed May 18 2016 06:53 am

    QWK networking has been around forever... PCRelay/RIME was QWK networking as

    Hello,

    The old days of RIME (RelayNet), I was a member back in the early 90's pulling mail for a BBS at a college that had a BBS I managed. Those were the days... calling long distance many times a day on someone elses dime. :)

    Take Care,
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  • From Mojo@VERT to Pbmountaincat on Wed May 25 18:19:27 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Pbmountaincat to mark lewis on Wed May 25 2016 02:41 pm

    Hi Philip,


    The old days of RIME (RelayNet), I was a member back in the early 90's pulling mail for a BBS at a college that had a BBS I managed. Those were the days... calling long distance many times a day on someone elses dime. :)

    Is your bbs up and running? I took the information from the bottom of your post and tried to connect to the address listed there and it does nothing but say connecting?

    Thanks
    Mojo

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  • From Denn Gray@VERT to Pbmountaincat on Wed May 25 13:32:07 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Pbmountaincat to mark lewis on Wed May 25 2016 02:41 pm

    The old days of RIME (RelayNet), I was a member back in the early 90's pulli mail for a BBS at a college that had a BBS I managed. Those were the days.. calling long distance many times a day on someone elses dime. :)

    oohhhh thats why my taxes were so high back in to 90's

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  • From Mro@VERT to Pbmountaincat on Wed May 25 21:31:52 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Pbmountaincat to mark lewis on Wed May 25 2016 02:41 pm

    The old days of RIME (RelayNet), I was a member back in the early 90's pulling mail for a BBS at a college that had a BBS I managed. Those were the days... calling long distance many times a day on someone elses dime.
    :)


    i remember rime. i met a sysop who was a member of it and moderated echos.
    they complained about my quoting costing them bandwidth. and other petty things. then i introduced the sysop to doorgames [he never had them which was weird!] and he banned me from the bbs when i killed people in lord!

    they could still login and play. it just said i killed them the previous day.

    oh the joys of bbsing.
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  • From Pbmountaincat@VERT to Mojo on Thu May 26 23:24:32 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Mojo to Pbmountaincat on Wed May 25 2016 06:19 pm

    Is your bbs up and running? I took the information from the bottom of your post and tried to connect to the address listed there and it does nothing but say connecting?

    Hello,

    Yeah, still working on that. I couldn't get it to work a year ago either.

    Time Warner Internet and there provided modem/router said they don't allow it, but it had worked for years under a different modem and my router. Need to try my router again in conjunction with theres or something.

    Thanks,
    Philip

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  • From Mojo@VERT to Pbmountaincat on Fri May 27 13:05:31 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Pbmountaincat to Mojo on Thu May 26 2016 11:24 pm

    Yeah, still working on that. I couldn't get it to work a year ago either.

    Time Warner Internet and there provided modem/router said they don't allow it, but it had worked for years under a different modem and my router. Need to try my router again in conjunction with theres or something.


    Cool, I hope to see it up and running when you can get that stuff all worked out.

    Mojo

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  • From Mro@VERT to Pbmountaincat on Fri May 27 16:16:42 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Pbmountaincat to Mojo on Thu May 26 2016 11:24 pm


    Is your bbs up and running? I took the information from the bottom of your post and tried to connect to the address listed there and it does nothing but say connecting?

    Hello,

    Yeah, still working on that. I couldn't get it to work a year ago either.

    Time Warner Internet and there provided modem/router said they don't allow it, but it had worked for years under a different modem and my router.
    Need to try my router again in conjunction with theres or something.



    time warner does allow it, i had a good talk with them about that. they were probably just confused.
    regarding your modem/router you need to google the admin pw and then set it up correctly. OR... buy your own and then have faster speeds and not get that monthly rental charge.
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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT to Pbmountaincat on Fri May 27 20:55:57 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Pbmountaincat to Mojo on Thu May 26 2016 23:24:32

    Time Warner Internet and there provided modem/router said they don't allow it, but it had worked for years under a different modem and my router. Need to try my router again in conjunction with theres or something.


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  • From Mro@VERT to Joe Delahaye on Fri May 27 22:40:46 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Joe Delahaye to Pbmountaincat on Fri May 27 2016 08:55 pm

    allow it, but it had worked for years under a different modem and my router. Need to try my router again in conjunction with theres or something.


    Set the TW modem/router in Bypass mode if you are able to do so, and then use your own router.

    tw is actually pretty good with you running servers at home. they dont mind as long as you're not running a business on non-business class.

    all this guy needs is the access to his device and he can do a lot of shit. infact, i think i'm going to go back into mine and turn on the wifi just for better reach in some areas outside.
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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT to Mro on Sat May 28 21:43:40 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Mro to Joe Delahaye on Fri May 27 2016 22:40:46

    Set the TW modem/router in Bypass mode if you are able to do so, and
    then use your own router.

    tw is actually pretty good with you running servers at home. they dont mind as long as you're not running a business on non-business class.

    all this guy needs is the access to his device and he can do a lot of shit. infact, i think i'm going to go back into mine and turn on the wifi just for better reach in some areas outside.

    Will they give him the PW to access that menu?
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  • From Mro@VERT to Joe Delahaye on Sat May 28 22:18:47 2016
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Joe Delahaye to Mro on Sat May 28 2016 09:43 pm


    all this guy needs is the access to his device and he can do a lot of shit. infact, i think i'm going to go back into mine and turn on the wifi just for better reach in some areas outside.

    Will they give him the PW to access that menu?


    you just google it. it's on defaults.
    i cant remember the model i have but i have the voip/router/modem kind and had to go in the settings and pass it all through.

    he would be better off just buying his own shit, though. no monthly fee and not a refurb.
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  • From Jahmas@VERT/JAHMAS to Patch on Wed Jan 11 15:52:18 2017
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Patch to All on Mon May 16 2016 10:24 am

    I'm tyring to get our area BBS's into our own network. I've configured the files needed in order for new users to be prompted if they are 1.) Sysop, and 2.) Account Used for QWK.

    I am in the process of doing this myself and my big question is; how do you set your board up to prompt a new user to create a QWK account / ID?

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Jahmas on Thu Jan 12 12:12:00 2017
    Jahmas wrote to Patch <=-

    I am in the process of doing this myself and my big question is; how do you set your board up to prompt a new user to create a QWK account /
    ID?

    I'm also looking for that switch. I'm currently creating/mondifying any QWK accounts manually.


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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Jahmas on Wed Jan 11 21:12:24 2017
    Hello Jahmas,

    On Wed Jan 11 2017 15:52:18, Jahmas wrote to Patch:

    I am in the process of doing this myself and my big question is; how
    do you set your board up to prompt a new user to create a QWK account
    / ID?

    [newuser] stanza in modopts.ini, set ask_qnet = true

    Regards,
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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Tony Langdon on Thu Jan 12 02:06:33 2017
    Re: Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Tony Langdon to Jahmas on Thu Jan 12 2017 12:12 pm

    I am in the process of doing this myself and my big question is; how
    do you set your board up to prompt a new user to create a QWK
    account / ID?

    I'm also looking for that switch. I'm currently creating/mondifying any QWK accounts manually.

    Its in ../ctrl/modopts.ini, under [newuser]

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  • From Jahmas@VERT/JAHMAS to Accession on Thu Jan 12 04:49:19 2017
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Accession to Jahmas on Wed Jan 11 2017 09:12 pm

    I am in the process of doing this myself and my big question is; how
    do you set your board up to prompt a new user to create a QWK
    account / ID?

    [newuser] stanza in modopts.ini, set ask_qnet = true

    Thank you! Hopefully this will be the last step.

    jah

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to KK4QBN on Thu Jan 12 23:25:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Its in ../ctrl/modopts.ini, under [newuser]

    Thanks. :)


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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Tony Langdon on Thu Jan 12 08:30:30 2017
    Re: Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Tony Langdon to KK4QBN on Thu Jan 12 2017 11:25 pm

    Its in ../ctrl/modopts.ini, under [newuser]

    Thanks. :)

    NP :)

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to KK4QBN on Fri Jan 13 18:49:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Its in ../ctrl/modopts.ini, under [newuser]

    Thanks. :)

    NP :)

    I looked at that. What does the entry after (the one that specifies a QWK network) actually do? Because I host multiple QWKnets, I have no way of knowing what network the user wants, when they register their account.


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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Tony Langdon on Fri Jan 13 21:35:12 2017
    Re: Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Tony Langdon to KK4QBN on Fri Jan 13 2017 06:49 pm

    Its in ../ctrl/modopts.ini, under [newuser]
    I looked at that. What does the entry after (the one that specifies a QWK network) actually do? Because I host multiple QWKnets, I have no way of knowing what network the user wants, when they register their account.

    The account would be flagged as a QWKnet sysop account, you would add your default QWK network, then the QWKNET account would have the default network turned on, and Any other QWK networks they wanna pick up, they can log in and turn them on form themselves on a QWK callout, or you can choose the message areas for them.

    The client BBS pulling the message networks off of you would have to setup the QWK conference numbers for each message area they receive from you.

    You as the hub would need to set all Networks you will be hubbing as STATIC conference areas, number the, eg 3000-3999 for one network and 4000-4999 for others, provide your client with the correct message areas and corresponding conference numbers.

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to KK4QBN on Sat Jan 14 15:47:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    The account would be flagged as a QWKnet sysop account, you would add
    your default QWK network, then the QWKNET account would have the
    default network turned on, and Any other QWK networks they wanna pick
    up, they can log in and turn them on form themselves on a QWK callout,
    or you can choose the message areas for them.

    In my case, I don't want a default network, as the BBS can't know what network a QWK sysop has actually joined.


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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Tony Langdon on Sat Jan 14 08:05:58 2017
    Re: Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Tony Langdon to KK4QBN on Sat Jan 14 2017 03:47 pm

    In my case, I don't want a default network, as the BBS can't know what network a QWK sysop has actually joined.

    It's whatever QWK network you rn, and the one you sepcify, but it don't really matter because they can pick whatever sub they want off you, as long as your allowed to HUB that particular network/sub and you give each sub a static conference number.

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to KK4QBN on Sun Jan 15 05:02:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    It's whatever QWK network you rn, and the one you sepcify, but it don't really matter because they can pick whatever sub they want off you, as long as your allowed to HUB that particular network/sub and you give
    each sub a static conference number.

    Can you leave that entry blank? I host 2 QWK networks, one is my own net, the other I'm the official QWK hub for. The rest is taken care of. :)


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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Tony Langdon on Sat Jan 14 15:10:32 2017
    Re: Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Tony Langdon to KK4QBN on Sun Jan 15 2017 05:02 am

    Can you leave that entry blank? I host 2 QWK networks, one is my own net, the other I'm the official QWK hub for. The rest is taken care of. :)

    Truly, cannot answer that, back when I hosted a few qwk networks it was setup through the login scripts, so I really don't know why that option is there, other than telling the user "Are you sure you are setting up for QWK
    networking (whatever network)"

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  • From K7ELH@VERT/EYESTORM to Accession on Sat Jan 14 22:09:10 2017
    Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Accession to Jahmas on Wed Jan 11 2017 09:12 pm

    I am in the process of doing this myself and my big question is; how
    do you set your board up to prompt a new user to create a QWK account
    / ID?
    [newuser] stanza in modopts.ini, set ask_qnet = true
    Regards,
    Nick


    Thanks Nick! I needed that too!


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to KK4QBN on Sun Jan 15 20:34:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Truly, cannot answer that, back when I hosted a few qwk networks it
    was setup through the login scripts, so I really don't know why that option is there, other than telling the user "Are you sure you are
    setting up for QWK networking (whatever network)"

    Hmm OK, I'm none the wiser then. :/


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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Tony Langdon on Sun Jan 15 08:45:38 2017
    Re: Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Tony Langdon to KK4QBN on Sun Jan 15 2017 08:34 pm

    option is there, other than telling the user "Are you sure you are
    setting up for QWK networking (whatever network)"

    Hmm OK, I'm none the wiser then. :/

    I never promised I could make you any wiser, maybe the Synchronet Wiki can? I dnno.. I have'nt hosted any qwknets since I cam back online in november, So i've had not reason to look to far into it.

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to KK4QBN on Mon Jan 16 08:09:00 2017
    KK4QBN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I never promised I could make you any wiser, maybe the Synchronet Wiki can? I dnno.. I have'nt hosted any qwknets since I cam back online in november, So i've had not reason to look to far into it.

    Maybe DM can chime in, he's the one who is most likely to know, since he wrote the code. :)

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    Ouch. :D


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Tony Langdon on Wed Jan 18 17:04:59 2017
    Re: Re: Hosting QWK Network
    By: Tony Langdon to KK4QBN on Fri Jan 13 2017 06:49 pm

    KK4QBN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Its in ../ctrl/modopts.ini, under [newuser]

    Thanks. :)

    NP :)

    I looked at that. What does the entry after (the one that specifies a QWK network) actually do? Because I host multiple QWKnets, I have no way of knowing what network the user wants, when they register their account.

    "qnet_name" (from modopts.ini) is only used for display purpose (in newuser.js). So in your case, just set it to "any" or perhaps a list of all your networks. When you create a new user account, you see the value displayed (in parenthesis).

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Digital Man on Thu Jan 19 14:05:00 2017
    Digital Man wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    "qnet_name" (from modopts.ini) is only used for display purpose (in newuser.js). So in your case, just set it to "any" or perhaps a list of all your networks. When you create a new user account, you see the
    value displayed (in parenthesis).

    Ahh OK, thanks. Now it all makes sense. I think "any" is as good as anything. :)


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