• Other Echos

    From Mick Manning@VERT to All on Sun Aug 28 23:15:56 2016
    Greetings,

    Has anyone had any luck setting up another echomail feed like Retronet or fsxnet on Synchronet? Fido works just great, but Synchro doesn't seem to know what to do with packets that come in for 'other' echos. BinkD answers, de-archives, but trashes the files after. I have the nodes and areas files set-up but nothing. I'm missing a switch somewhere. :-)

    Mike


    Oxford Mills Remote BBS Oxfordmi.synchro.net:23
    Fidonet 1:249/307 fsxNET 21:1/156
    --- SBBSe
  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Mick Manning on Mon Aug 29 16:04:00 2016
    Mick Manning wrote to All <=-

    Has anyone had any luck setting up another echomail feed like Retronet
    or fsxnet on Synchronet? Fido works just great, but Synchro doesn't
    seem to know what to do with packets that come in for 'other' echos.
    BinkD answers, de-archives, but trashes the files after. I have the
    nodes and areas files set-up but nothing. I'm missing a switch
    somewhere. :-)

    Yes, I run several nets - fidonet, fsxnet, sportnet, vkradio, wwivftn at least on Synchronet. It's pretty straightforward. You have to add the AKA in scfg, setup routing/areafix in echocfg and the step that's most easily forgotten, add the othernet echoes and uplinks into AREAS.BBS. If you don't do this latter step, you will get the symptoms you describe - incoming echomail being deleted, and your sbbsecho logs will show errors. For AREAS.BBS, I have my nets in their own group and export each group to their own AREAS.BBS format file, then merge them all into the one systemwide AREAS.BBS for echomail routing.


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  • From Mick Manning@VERT to Tony Langdon on Mon Aug 29 15:42:00 2016
    Re: Re: Other Echos
    By: Tony Langdon to Mick Manning on Mon Aug 29 2016 04:04 pm

    Yes, I run several nets - fidonet, fsxnet, sportnet, vkradio, wwivftn at lea
    st
    on Synchronet. It's pretty straightforward. You have to add the AKA in scf
    g,
    setup routing/areafix in echocfg and the step that's most easily forgotten,
    add
    the othernet echoes and uplinks into AREAS.BBS. If you don't do this latter step, you will get the symptoms you describe - incoming echomail being delet
    ed,
    and your sbbsecho logs will show errors. For AREAS.BBS, I have my nets in their own group and export each group to their own AREAS.BBS format file, th
    en
    merge them all into the one systemwide AREAS.BBS for echomail routing.


    Thanks for this response Tony. I looked over my setup and I had missed completely the AKA section, which I've updated. Still does not work though. There must be something simple i'm overlooking here, as Fido work great. Do I need different inbound/outbound directories for each echo?
    I have the log set for debugging on sbbsecho but still not enough info to correct.

    Mick


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Mick Manning on Mon Aug 29 13:34:35 2016
    Re: Other Echos
    By: Mick Manning to All on Sun Aug 28 2016 11:15 pm

    Greetings,

    Has anyone had any luck setting up another echomail feed like Retronet or fsxnet on Synchronet? Fido works just great, but Synchro doesn't seem to know what to do with packets that come in for 'other' echos. BinkD answers, de-archives, but trashes the files after. I have the nodes and areas files set-up but nothing. I'm missing a switch somewhere. :-)

    BinkD should neither "de-archive" nor "trash" incoming files. What makes you think it's BinkD that's doing that?

    A closer look at your BinkD log file and SBBSecho log files would help to sort out exactly what's going on.

    digital man

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Mick Manning on Tue Aug 30 09:13:00 2016
    Mick Manning wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Thanks for this response Tony. I looked over my setup and I had missed completely the AKA section, which I've updated. Still does not work though. There must be something simple i'm overlooking here, as Fido

    Do you have your AREAS.BBS with all of the echoes and their uplinks for all networks?

    work great. Do I need different inbound/outbound directories for each echo? I have the log set for debugging on sbbsecho but still not enough info to correct.

    Only one inbound. Outbound is BSO (Binkley Style Outbound). Make sure Synchronet is setup to use BSO, as this is what binkd will expect. And the main address in scfg needs to be the same as the dirst address listed in binkd.conf. I normally use my Fidonet address in this position (unless I'm not on Fidonet, of course!).

    I still suspect your issue is with AREAS.BBS.


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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Mick Manning on Mon Aug 29 23:29:00 2016
    29 Aug 16 15:42, you wrote to Tony Langdon:

    There must be something simple i'm overlooking here, as Fido work great.
    Do
    I need different inbound/outbound directories for each echo?

    not really... just remember that sbbsecho is only 4D aware so all BSO outbounds
    are whatever your default zone outbound is plus their zone number in hex as an
    extension...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to mark lewis on Tue Aug 30 16:05:12 2016
    Re: Other Echos
    By: mark lewis to Mick Manning on Mon Aug 29 2016 11:29 pm


    29 Aug 16 15:42, you wrote to Tony Langdon:

    There must be something simple i'm overlooking here, as Fido work great.
    Do
    I need different inbound/outbound directories for each echo?

    not really... just remember that sbbsecho is only 4D aware so all BSO outbounds
    are whatever your default zone outbound is plus their zone number in hex as an
    extension...

    SBBSecho v3 has support for FTN domains.

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #24:
    FTSC = FidoNet Technical Standards Committee
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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Digital Man on Wed Aug 31 10:21:24 2016
    30 Aug 16 16:05, you wrote to me:

    There must be something simple i'm overlooking here, as Fido work
    great. Do I need different inbound/outbound directories for each
    echo?

    not really... just remember that sbbsecho is only 4D aware so all BSO
    outbounds are whatever your default zone outbound is plus their zone
    number in hex as an extension...

    SBBSecho v3 has support for FTN domains.

    v3 is fully 5D aware? that's great!


    just for informational purposes for others reading along, a fully 5D aware BSO tree for three domains would look similar to this...


    Domain Zones Default HEX Range used for
    8 chars 1 thru 4095 Zone extension of zones
    Maximum Maximum no ext. other than default
    ======== =========== ======= ==================
    fidonet 1-6 Z1 001 - 006
    foobar 2048-2050 Z2048 800 - 802
    barsoom 1024-1027 Z1024 400 - 403


    /mailer/BSO/fidonet
    /mailer/BSO/fidonet.002
    /mailer/BSO/fidonet.003
    /mailer/BSO/fidonet.004
    /mailer/BSO/fidonet.005
    /mailer/BSO/fidonet.006
    /mailer/BSO/foobar
    /mailer/BSO/foobar.801
    /mailer/BSO/foobar.802
    /mailer/BSO/barsoom
    /mailer/BSO/barsoom.401
    /mailer/BSO/barsoom.402
    /mailer/BSO/barsoom.403


    i haven't looked at the current state of sbbsecho and binkit but with binkd in full 5D mode, the domain definitions for the above would look like this...


    domain fidonet /mailer/BSO/fidonet 1 binkp.net
    domain foobar /mailer/BSO/foobar 2048 foobar.org
    domain barsoom /mailer/BSO/barsoom 1024 barsoom.net


    DNS lookup queries for the FTN->f.n.z.domain address conversion format are sent
    to the domain listed at the end of the "domain" definition line...

    additionally, one might see BSO directories created like

    /mailer/BSO/fidonet.008
    /mailer/BSO/fidonet.018
    /mailer/BSO/fidonet.019

    those are for zones 8, 24 and 25 and are from mailers presenting them as fidonet domain zones instead of with their own proper domain... one may also see these additional BSO directories created and deleted depending on their mailer's and/or tosser's configurations... either or both may delete empty ones
    and may create those presented by a connected remote incase any mail arrives from that domain/zone...

    )\/(ark

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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Digital Man on Wed Aug 31 12:06:05 2016
    Re: Other Echos
    By: Digital Man to mark lewis on Tue Aug 30 2016 04:05 pm

    Tagline theft really burns my ascii but how can i get a cool weather sig tag like yours, Digital Man? Different location of course. <g> Freakin' awesome!

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to tbirdsradio on Wed Aug 31 12:41:29 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: tbirdsradio to Digital Man on Wed Aug 31 2016 12:06 pm

    Re: Other Echos
    By: Digital Man to mark lewis on Tue Aug 30 2016 04:05 pm

    Tagline theft really burns my ascii but how can i get a cool weather sig tag like yours, Digital Man? Different location of course. <g> Freakin' awesome!

    I have a weather station (a Davis Instruments Vantage VUE), that's constantly capturing weather data, storing in my PC, and uploading to wunderground.com. Anyway, I wrote a short JS to append the current weather data to my .sig file (data/user/0001.sig), along with a random Synchronet Fact or BBS Term definition.

    digital man

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  • From Richard Miles@VERT to Digital Man on Wed Aug 31 16:28:07 2016
    I have a weather station (a Davis Instruments Vantage VUE), that's constantly capturing weather data, storing in my PC, and uploading to wunderground.com. Anyway, I wrote a short JS to append the current

    Just out of curiosity, what software are you using? I've been using VWS for about ten years now, have it create a .txt that I used to display in my bulletins.

    Richard

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Richard Miles on Wed Aug 31 15:40:12 2016
    Re: Re: Weather Station
    By: Richard Miles to Digital Man on Wed Aug 31 2016 04:28 pm

    I have a weather station (a Davis Instruments Vantage VUE), that's constantly capturing weather data, storing in my PC, and uploading to wunderground.com. Anyway, I wrote a short JS to append the current

    Just out of curiosity, what software are you using? I've been using VWS for about ten years now, have it create a .txt that I used to display in my bulletins.

    I use something called Weather Underground Heavyweather Updater (WUHU): http://www.lissproductions.org/wuhu_manual/the-wuhu-software-manual/wuhu-downlo ad-page/

    digital man

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  • From Mojo@VERT to Digital Man on Wed Aug 31 17:21:10 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: Digital Man to tbirdsradio on Wed Aug 31 2016 12:41 pm

    I have a weather station (a Davis Instruments Vantage VUE), that's constantly capturing weather data, storing in my PC, and uploading to wunderground.com. Anyway, I wrote a short JS to append the current weather data to my .sig file (data/user/0001.sig), along with a random Synchronet Fact or BBS Term definition.


    I have looked into those weather stations and they can be rather expensive. If I had the money I would have gotten one of them last year but just am not able to afford to have one of them to play around with and enjoy. I have also you can create a really nice web site with alot of information from it on the site. Maybe one day the money will come around for me so I can have one but for now just have to play around with things that are less expensive. But it is a nice addition to you sig on your messages.


    Have you ever thought about displaying this info on your web site and on your bbs for those who logon there?


    Mojo

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  • From Richard Miles@VERT to Mojo on Wed Aug 31 19:55:31 2016
    I have looked into those weather stations and they can be rather expensive. If I had the money I would have gotten one of them last year but just am not able to afford to have one of them to play around with

    You can actually cobble one together using relatively inexpensive sensors.
    I've seen folks also build them using a RaspberryPi as well. Currently I have an Oregon Scientific WMR200 I purchased a few years ago but I also have
    several standalone humidity and temp sensors that communicate with it as well as my Home Automation system. Another option for most of the sensors is to
    use a Dallas/Maxim 1-wire network. Very cheap. That's what I am using for
    most of my indoor temp sensors, or was until I picked up motion sensors that also detect temp/humidity.

    If you were to go the 1-wire route or something like that it's extra work but just depends on how geeky you are. If you just want the weather? Spend the money lol.

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  • From Mro@VERT to tbirdsradio on Wed Aug 31 18:54:17 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: tbirdsradio to Digital Man on Wed Aug 31 2016 12:06 pm


    Tagline theft really burns my ascii but how can i get a cool weather sig
    tag like yours, Digital Man? Different location of course. <g> Freakin' awesome!


    you can find a website to scrape it from and take it onto your signature file. ---
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  • From Jay Allshire@VERT to Mro on Wed Aug 31 21:53:52 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: Mro to tbirdsradio on Wed Aug 31 2016 06:54 pm

    you can find a website to scrape it from and take it onto your signature file.


    yeah that is ok for those who know how to right some scripts to do this. I am not that good so i am not able to do that as I am not good wiht that stuff.


    Mojo
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Richard Miles on Thu Sep 1 17:23:00 2016
    Richard Miles wrote to Mojo <=-

    If you were to go the 1-wire route or something like that it's extra
    work but just depends on how geeky you are. If you just want the
    weather? Spend the money lol.

    1-wire gear is fun to play with and setup. Definite geek factor too. :)


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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Digital Man on Thu Sep 1 06:40:12 2016

    Tagline theft really burns my ascii but how can i get a cool weather sig like yours, Digital Man? Different location of course. <g> Freakin' aweso

    I have a weather station (a Davis Instruments Vantage VUE), that's constantl capturing weather data, storing in my PC, and uploading to wunderground.com.

    That is too cool, man. I still remember the Snapple facts you had from
    when i had the bbs up before. Made from the finest ingredients on
    earth! <g>

    ... 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the population.

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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Mro on Thu Sep 1 07:09:42 2016

    Tagline theft really burns my ascii but how can i get a cool weather sig

    you can find a website to scrape it from and take it onto your

    Thanks, Mro. I love this hobby & how unique everyone's bbs's & systems
    can be. Started out running Spitfire then later moved over to PCBoard.
    When they crashed and burned it broke my heart because of all the time
    and money spent. What Digital Man has done and continues to do with
    Synchronet is nothing short of amazing.

    I'm one of those guys that hates change but loves tech advances.
    Eventually i'm forced to move forward or just do without but i'm
    still happy and most comfortable working at the dos prompt with
    Vern Buerg's, "List" and other simple bbs utilities.

    Like Tommy Lee Jones said in "No Country For Old Men", "i feel
    overmatched". <g>

    Gonna have to eventually make it fun for myself again and try to
    learn some JS. I bought a book but have been super reluctant to
    crack it. So many other things i'd rather be doing you know.

    Anyway, i'm just happy to see all the progression and work folks
    here continue to put in on this hobby i love so much.

    I'd say it's the one thing that's really kept me out of trouble
    over the years.
    -Best Wishes

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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Jay Allshire on Thu Sep 1 07:16:03 2016

    you can find a website to scrape it from and take it onto your signatur file.

    yeah that is ok for those who know how to right some scripts to do this. I a not that good so i am not able to do that as I am not good wiht that stuff.

    I know exactly what your say'n, Jay. Same here. I was just tellin',
    Mro, that i bought a JS book but havn't yet taken the time to try
    and get some kind of grasp on it. That's what it's gonna take for
    me. It's really incredible what some of these cats around here have
    done with it for the BBS community. The web integration and all...
    -Best Wishes

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Mojo on Thu Sep 1 14:55:22 2016
    Re: Weather Station
    By: Mojo to Digital Man on Wed Aug 31 2016 05:21 pm

    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: Digital Man to tbirdsradio on Wed Aug 31 2016 12:41 pm

    I have a weather station (a Davis Instruments Vantage VUE), that's constantly capturing weather data, storing in my PC, and uploading to wunderground.com. Anyway, I wrote a short JS to append the current weather data to my .sig file (data/user/0001.sig), along with a random Synchronet Fact or BBS Term definition.


    I have looked into those weather stations and they can be rather expensive. If I had the money I would have gotten one of them last year but just am not able to afford to have one of them to play around with and enjoy. I have also you can create a really nice web site with alot of information from it on the site. Maybe one day the money will come around for me so I can have one but for now just have to play around with things that are less expensive. But it is a nice addition to you sig on your messages.

    Costco had some decent looking stations recently for about $100. I'd gone through a couple $100 stations before the Vantage VUE and they just didn't last more than a year or so.

    Have you ever thought about displaying this info on your web site and on your bbs for those who logon there?

    Yeah, I used to, but wunderground.com changed their plugin stuff so it stopped working correctly (and required Flash, which is a bit outdated now). I'll take a second look at doing that again some day.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to tbirdsradio on Thu Sep 1 14:56:36 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: tbirdsradio to Digital Man on Thu Sep 01 2016 06:40 am


    Tagline theft really burns my ascii but how can i get a cool weather sig like yours, Digital Man? Different location of course. <g> Freakin' aweso

    I have a weather station (a Davis Instruments Vantage VUE), that's constantl capturing weather data, storing in my PC, and uploading to wunderground.com.

    That is too cool, man. I still remember the Snapple facts you had from
    when i had the bbs up before. Made from the finest ingredients on
    earth! <g>

    Yup, still drink those, but I need reading glasses to read the inside of those caps now (so I don't). :-)

    digital man

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    Answers to Frequently Asked Questions: http://wiki.synchro.net/faq:index
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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT to tbirdsradio on Thu Sep 1 17:03:27 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: tbirdsradio to Mro on Thu Sep 01 2016 07:09 am

    and money spent. What Digital Man has done and continues to do with Synchronet is nothing short of amazing.

    Funny I was just thinking this the other day... The same care and attention to detail that he put into the original dial up version of synchronet shines through in these versions, the telnet client, the telnet server logic, everything... And he's as enthusiastic about it today as he was back then, approachable, and willing to help anyone. That's a sign of a good person, with character, great work ethic, etc.

    You can stray to other bbs sotware, but once you try synchronet, you always come back because you know it will work and offers whatever you need...


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo


    -=+:[ The Zombie Zone BBS * focker.gotdns.com ]:+=-

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  • From Mro@VERT to tbirdsradio on Thu Sep 1 19:34:39 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: tbirdsradio to Jay Allshire on Thu Sep 01 2016 07:16 am


    you can find a website to scrape it from and take it onto your signatur file.

    yeah that is ok for those who know how to right some scripts to do this. I a not that good so i am not able to do that as I am not good wiht that stuff.

    I know exactly what your say'n, Jay. Same here. I was just tellin',
    Mro, that i bought a JS book but havn't yet taken the time to try
    and get some kind of grasp on it. That's what it's gonna take for


    you can even use wget after finding the correct url and then use the cmd prompt with the find command to pull that text out of the output and then use some other text replacement utility to clean up the text.

    when there's a will there's a way
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Zombie Mambo on Thu Sep 1 23:51:38 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: Zombie Mambo to tbirdsradio on Thu Sep 01 2016 05:03 pm

    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: tbirdsradio to Mro on Thu Sep 01 2016 07:09 am

    and money spent. What Digital Man has done and continues to do with Synchronet is nothing short of amazing.

    Funny I was just thinking this the other day... The same care and attention to detail that he put into the original dial up version of synchronet shines through in these versions, the telnet client, the telnet server logic, everything... And he's as enthusiastic about it today as he was back then, approachable, and willing to help anyone. That's a sign of a good person, with character, great work ethic, etc.

    You can stray to other bbs sotware, but once you try synchronet, you always come back because you know it will work and offers whatever you need...

    Very nice sentiments, thank you. I am proud of Synchronet, but it's still my first (of many) large software projects (started around 1990) and has plenty of room for improvement. It probably always will, and that keeps me interested. :-)

    digital man

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    JS = JavaScript
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  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Zombie Mambo on Sat Sep 3 15:35:40 2016

    You can stray to other bbs sotware, but once you try synchronet, you always come back because you know it will work and offers whatever you need...

    Well said!

    ... Borrow a few lines = Plagiarism. Steal *volumes* = Research.

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  • From Mro@VERT to tbirdsradio on Sun Sep 4 06:21:19 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: tbirdsradio to Zombie Mambo on Sat Sep 03 2016 03:35 pm


    You can stray to other bbs sotware, but once you try synchronet, you always come back because you know it will work and offers whatever you need...

    Well said!


    well, a lot of people have used synchronet and switched and never came back.

    i like diversity, everyone running the same sofware [and usually not changing anything] is boring. that being said we hardly have any users now, so do what you wanna do.
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Mro on Mon Sep 5 08:58:00 2016
    Mro wrote to tbirdsradio <=-

    well, a lot of people have used synchronet and switched and never came back.

    I took a bet each way. I run both Synchronet and Mystic. I like them both, for different reasons.

    i like diversity, everyone running the same sofware [and usually not changing anything] is boring. that being said we hardly have any
    users now, so do what you wanna do.

    Agree totally. Diversity is good.


    ... Always drink upstream from the herd.
    --- M
  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Mro on Mon Sep 5 09:58:03 2016

    You can stray to other bbs sotware, but once you try synchronet, you always come back because you know it will work and offers whatever you need...

    Well said!

    well, a lot of people have used synchronet and switched and never came back.

    Oh, i'm not here to address or debate what software anybody else is
    using, Mro. That's irrelvant to the point we were making, which is
    Synchronet BBS Software and the support Digital Man provides is
    stellar! That's just a fact that isn't even open to debate!!!!!

    i like diversity, everyone running the same sofware [and usually not changi anything] is boring. that being said we hardly have any users now, so do w you wanna do.

    Well, people certainly need time to modify their systems and that
    isn't something that's done over night. Again, modifying a bbs is
    not something i was addressing when giving credit where clearly
    credit is due! I'm certainly not putting down anybody else's bbs
    sofware, Mro, if that's what you were implying...?

    I'm grateful to all the bbs authors both past and present who have
    graciously given their valuable time to this great hobby of ours.
    That goes for game authors, js authors, etc...

    Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
    Best Wishes

    ... Thou shalt turn their taglines towards SabreEDIT.

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT to Mro on Mon Sep 5 19:00:36 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: Mro to tbirdsradio on Sun Sep 04 2016 06:21 am

    well, a lot of people have used synchronet and switched and never came back.

    i like diversity, everyone running the same sofware [and usually not changi anything] is boring. that being said we hardly have any users now, so do w you wanna do.

    Yes Mro you are correct, but i speak from my own personal experience (which ain't worth nothing to anyone but me I spose...)

    BBS's I've tried/ran:

    WWIV
    Tagline
    PCBoard
    Wildcat
    Major
    Spitfire (my first, and favorite even tho synch slays it)
    TriBBS
    RA
    Mystic
    Renegade
    EleBBS
    Citadel
    Falken
    Searchlight
    Maximus
    Gap
    RBBS
    TBBS
    Excalibur
    EzComm
    CBBS
    Celerity
    Opus
    Pegasus
    ProBoard
    QuickBBS
    SupperBBS
    TAG

    Those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head and don't include stuff I ran in 82-87 timeframes...

    Hands done, none of these compare to synchronet. For every 1 functionality they offer that is bette than SN, SN offers 3 more that are better than these.

    The true mark of what I am sayin is, that most of these aren't even actively being developed anymore, and if so, by someone other than the original...

    We can all have our differences of opinions and appreciate each other's, ain't nuttin' wrong with that.

    But, I tip my hat to Digital Man.

    I spent $$ on many of the above to license them, the $99 2-line license I spent on synchronet was the best $$ I ever spent on bbs software.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo


    -=+:[ The Zombie Zone BBS * focker.gotdns.com ]:+=-

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT to Tony Langdon on Mon Sep 5 19:01:37 2016
    Re: Re: Tagline Theft
    By: Tony Langdon to Mro on Mon Sep 05 2016 08:58 am

    Mro wrote to tbirdsradio <=-

    well, a lot of people have used synchronet and switched and never came back.

    I took a bet each way. I run both Synchronet and Mystic. I like them both, for different reasons.

    i like diversity, everyone running the same sofware [and usually not changing anything] is boring. that being said we hardly have any users now, so do what you wanna do.

    Agree totally. Diversity is good.


    ... Always drink upstream from the herd.

    Mytisc was the first telent bbs softare I ran, and I have a soft spot for it cuz it's so basic, small, and robust.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo


    -=+:[ The Zombie Zone BBS * focker.gotdns.com ]:+=-

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  • From Mro@VERT to tbirdsradio on Mon Sep 5 23:40:30 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: tbirdsradio to Mro on Mon Sep 05 2016 09:58 am


    You can stray to other bbs sotware, but once you try synchronet, you always come back because you know it will work and offers whatever you need...

    well, a lot of people have used synchronet and switched and never came back.

    Oh, i'm not here to address or debate what software anybody else is
    using, Mro. That's irrelvant to the point we were making, which is

    if you look up there you will see that is the point you were making.

    Well, people certainly need time to modify their systems and that
    isn't something that's done over night. Again, modifying a bbs is

    i can do it overnight.
    ---
    þ Synchro
  • From Tiny@VERT to Mro on Tue Sep 6 11:22:58 2016
    Quoting Mro to tbirdsradio <=-

    isn't something that's done over night. Again, modifying a bbs is
    i can do it overnight.

    You've setup countless sync bbs's for people though man. You don't really count. I remember at one point on irc you were doing one a week for people.

    Shawn

    ... A peaceful man is a contradiction in terms.

    --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - www.tinysbbs.com (723:1/2)
    þ Synchronet þ thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin)
  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Zombie Mambo on Tue Sep 6 21:38:00 2016
    Zombie Mambo wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Mytisc was the first telent bbs softare I ran, and I have a soft spot
    for it cuz it's so basic, small, and robust.

    Synchronet was the first I ran with native telnet.


    ... Computer programmers do it byte by byte.
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    * Origin: Freeway BBS - freeway.apana.org.au (3:633/410)
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ telnet://vert.synchro.net
  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Mro on Tue Sep 6 07:38:58 2016

    You can stray to other bbs sotware, but once you try synchronet, you always come back because you know it will work and offers whatever you need...

    well, a lot of people have used synchronet and switched and never came back.

    Oh, i'm not here to address or debate what software anybody else is using, Mro. That's irrelvant to the point we were making, which is

    if you look up there you will see that is the point you were making.

    Mro, You never quoted what i said, which was, "Well said!". I was
    simply replying to the first paragraph above.

    Well, people certainly need time to modify their systems andthat
    isn't something that's done over night. Again, modifying a bbs is

    i can do it overnight.

    That's great, Mro!

    ... Ever meet a Sysop who would admit the problem was his?

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ´ TBIRDS BBS ´ telnet://tbirds.dyndns.org
  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT to Tony Langdon on Tue Sep 6 08:20:00 2016
    Tony Langdon wrote to Mro <=-

    i like diversity, everyone running the same sofware [and usually not changing anything] is boring. that being said we hardly have any
    users now, so do what you wanna do.

    Agree totally. Diversity is good.


    That's what made the scene great in the day - a variety of software running
    out on the 'net. Makes me happy to see some of the old names coming back.



    ... Powered By Celeron (Tualatin). Engineered for the future.
    --- MultiMail/X
  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT to Zombie Mambo on Tue Sep 6 08:23:00 2016
    Zombie Mambo wrote to Mro <=-


    Hands done, none of these compare to synchronet. For every 1
    functionality they offer that is bette than SN, SN offers 3 more that
    are better than these.

    I got my start with Synchronet after retiring a Maximus/Binkley/Irex/etc... combination, and on a lark tried SBBS v3. SBBS did everything I needed out
    of the box, and Radius did the rest.


    ... Powered By Celeron (Tualatin). Engineered for the future.
    --- MultiMail/XT v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ
  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Sep 7 09:22:00 2016
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    That's what made the scene great in the day - a variety of software running out on the 'net. Makes me happy to see some of the old names coming back.

    Yes. I was a RA sysop back then, but interacted with BBSs running many different software combinations. I forget many of them, but I do recall Maximus, Searchlight, EzyCom and a few others in the mix. :)


    ... Remember when safe sex meant not getting caught?
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v
  • From Mro@VERT to Tiny on Tue Sep 6 23:24:42 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: Tiny to Mro on Tue Sep 06 2016 11:22 am

    Quoting Mro to tbirdsradio <=-

    isn't something that's done over night. Again, modifying a bbs is
    i can do it overnight.

    You've setup countless sync bbs's for people though man. You don't
    really count. I remember at one point on irc you were doing one a week for people.




    it's easy with a text replacement program. i just replace one color with another until there's a color scheme.

    also synchronet lets you use @codes that insert other ansis so you can create
    a template that works with all the menus.

    doorgames are pretty simple too and you shouldnt have that many.

    some people just suck at doing work period.
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    þ Synchronet þ
  • From Mro@VERT to Tony Langdon on Tue Sep 6 23:25:34 2016
    Re: Re: Tagline Theft
    By: Tony Langdon to Zombie Mambo on Tue Sep 06 2016 09:38 pm

    Zombie Mambo wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Mytisc was the first telent bbs softare I ran, and I have a soft spot for it cuz it's so basic, small, and robust.

    Synchronet was the first I ran with native telnet.



    what made me switch to synchronet is i was stuck using shitty netmodem and god damn that was horrible. always went down and had a limit of how many callers.
    i went with synchronet because it was stable and i forced myself to learn baja scripting.
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  • From Mro@VERT to tbirdsradio on Tue Sep 6 23:26:03 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: tbirdsradio to Mro on Tue Sep 06 2016 07:38 am

    using, Mro. That's irrelvant to the point we were making, which is

    if you look up there you will see that is the point you were making.

    Mro, You never quoted what i said, which was, "Well said!". I was
    simply replying to the first paragraph above.



    you are all the same to me.
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    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Mro on Wed Sep 7 16:48:00 2016
    Mro wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    what made me switch to synchronet is i was stuck using shitty netmodem
    and god damn that was horrible. always went down and had a limit of how many callers. i went with synchronet because it was stable and i forced myself to learn baja scripting.

    For me, Synchronet's strength is its Internet integration - not only SSH/RLogin/telnet, but HTTP, NNTP, FTP an email (SMTP/POP) as well, with the ability to host and gate mailing lists.


    ... A peaceful man is a contradiction in terms.
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    * Origin: Freeway BBS - freeway.apana.org.au (3:633/410)
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ telnet://vert.synchro.net
  • From Tiny@VERT to Mro on Wed Sep 7 10:11:54 2016
    Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-

    some people just suck at doing work period.

    That's a whole other topic. ;)

    Shawn

    ... Why does pizza get to your house faster than the police?

    --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - www.t
  • From tbirdsradio@VERT to Mro on Wed Sep 7 09:38:22 2016
    you are all the same to me.

    Apologies to you and/or anyone else i may have offended. It was purely
    and absolutely unintentional.

    Peace everyone!

    ... It compiled? The first screen came up? Ship it! -- Bill Gates

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ´ TB
  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Tiny on Thu Sep 8 07:46:00 2016
    Tiny wrote to Mro <=-

    some people just suck at doing work period.

    That's a whole other topic. ;)

    And they end up in middle management. ;)


    ... Always drink upstream from the herd.
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    * Origin: Freewa
  • From Khelair@VERT to tbirdsradio on Wed Sep 7 16:54:28 2016
    Re: Tagline Theft
    By: tbirdsradio to Mro on Wed Sep 07 2016 09:38 am

    you are all the same to me.

    Apologies to you and/or anyone else i may have offended. It was purely
    and absolutely unintentional.

    There's really no good reason to apologize to Mro, fwiw.
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  • From Mro@VERT to Tony Langdon on Wed Sep 7 19:10:48 2016
    Re: Re: Tagline Theft
    By: Tony Langdon to Mro on Wed Sep 07 2016 04:48 pm

    For me, Synchronet's strength is its Internet integration - not only SSH/RLogin/telnet, but HTTP, NNTP, FTP an email (SMTP/POP) as well, with
    the ability to host and gate mailing lists.



    yeah but you can get more robust free softwares for that elsewhere.
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  • From Mro@VERT to Tony Langdon on Wed Sep 7 19:11:10 2016
    Re: Re: Tagline Theft
    By: Tony Langdon to Tiny on Thu Sep 08 2016 07:46 am

    Tiny wrote to Mro <=-

    some people just suck at doing work period.

    That's a whole other topic. ;)

    And they end up in middle management. ;)

    yurp
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Mro on Thu Sep 8 13:12:00 2016
    Mro wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    yeah but you can get more robust free softwares for that elsewhere.

    Not with BBS functionality.


    ... Today has been a long year!!!!!!!!!!
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    * Origin: Freeway BBS - freeway.apana.
  • From Mro@VERT to Tony Langdon on Fri Sep 9 20:47:04 2016
    Re: Re: Tagline Theft
    By: Tony Langdon to Mro on Thu Sep 08 2016 01:12 pm

    Mro wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    yeah but you can get more robust free softwares for that elsewhere.

    Not with BBS functionality.



    there's limited functionality as is.

    i had all my msg bases on my forums on my website and i had ftelnet on my website for people to login.
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Mro on Sat Sep 10 12:43:00 2016
    Mro wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    yeah but you can get more robust free softwares for that elsewhere.

    Not with BBS functionality.



    there's limited functionality as is.

    i had all my msg bases on my forums on my website and i had ftelnet on
    my website for people to login.

    What were you using for your forums? ftelnet isn't exactly what I consider true "web" functioonality, it's just a web based terminal client (there is a distinction, especially in look and feel).

    While I'd prefer ftelnet to a true web forum interface, most people (outside the BBS community) seem to prefer the latter.


    ... Many Myths are based on truth. Spock, stardate 5832.3.
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    * Origin: Freeway BBS - freeway
  • From Mro@VERT to Tony Langdon on Sun Sep 11 19:10:26 2016
    Re: Re: Tagline Theft
    By: Tony Langdon to Mro on Sat Sep 10 2016 12:43 pm

    What were you using for your forums? ftelnet isn't exactly what I consider true "web" functioonality, it's just a web based terminal client (there is
    a distinction, especially in look and feel).


    what do you mean 'JUST'? what it does is very good at putting our bbses on the web. and it does it correctly. for over a decade we had nothing but shit to use before ftelnet and flashterm came along.

    for my web forums i used vbulletin with the nntp plugin.

    While I'd prefer ftelnet to a true web forum interface, most people


    i dont consider it a forum interface and i dont consider our bbs a forum or our various syncweb msg interfaces a forum interface.
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    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From echicken@VERT to Mro on Mon Sep 12 01:55:26 2016
    what do you mean 'JUST'? what it does is very good at putting our bbses on the web. and it does it correctly. for over a decade we had nothing but shit to use before ftelnet and flashterm came along.

    On the one hand there's no "just" to it - ftelnet does what it does very well, and better than anything before it, and it isn't anything simple. On the other hand, it's "just" taking the same BBS experience and sticking it inside a web browser; that's what Tony meant, and I agree.

    It's nice to be able to offer newcomers a glimpse of the traditional way of using a BBS, from their browser, without them having to install additional software. There's value in that, and it probably should be included in any BBS' website, but it doesn't mean it's the best way to present a BBS' content on the web.

    I can't imagine why the web UI should be the same as the textmode UI. If you want the classic experience, telnet or SSH into the system. If the BBS offers a decent web interface and you want to point and click your way through catching up on messages or downloading files, then use your web browser. If the BBS does NNTP and you prefer to use a newsreader, then do that.

    for my web forums i used vbulletin with the nntp plugin.

    I remember that and it wasn't very good. Don't get me wrong, I thought the vbulletin NNTP support was neat and a nice way to hook it into Synchronet (or jamnntpd for that matter) but it really suffered when it came to sorting messages into threads. It was visibly hacky.

    i dont consider it a forum interface and i dont consider our bbs a forum or our various syncweb msg interfaces a forum interface.

    Our types of BBSs generally include a "forum" (in the sense of a place to discuss things online) but that isn't all that they are, and so it's good that ftelnet can help display the rest of it to casual web visitors. The textmode interface is the heart and soul of the (classic) BBS, and anything else is just an alternate way to get at *some* of the same content.

    I've seen a *lot* of different web-based online discussion boards. I've written a few. So what, in your opinion, does it take to qualify as a "forum interface"? BBCode? Smileys? Rich text, hot pink and comic sans? (I'm joking; I'd be shocked if you could spell out what you consider a "forum interface" to be. Opinions are easy, explanations take a bit more thought and effort.)

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com - 416-273-7230
    þ Synchronet þ electr
  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to echicken on Mon Sep 12 18:17:00 2016
    echicken wrote to Mro <=-

    It's nice to be able to offer newcomers a glimpse of the traditional
    way of using a BBS, from their browser, without them having to install additional software. There's value in that, and it probably should be included in any BBS' website, but it doesn't mean it's the best way to present a BBS' content on the web.

    Agree, I'm not discounting the value of ftelnet, but it's not solving the issues I'm interested in addressing. Finding an alternative to those awful web forums that are proliferating across the Internet, WITHOUT alienating those users who do like that style of interface. Or in another way, decoupling the interface from the data, something the BBS has managed to do to varying extents, even offering offline access.

    I can't imagine why the web UI should be the same as the textmode UI.
    If you want the classic experience, telnet or SSH into the system. If
    the BBS offers a decent web interface and you want to point and click
    your way through catching up on messages or downloading files, then use your web browser. If the BBS does NNTP and you prefer to use a newsreader, then do that.

    That's what A good messaging system should offer - multiple means of access, but at the same time, consistency in data. For example, if you log in as yourself via NNTP and read a bunch of messages, that should be reflected in telnet or on the web (that may be a limitation of NNTP though, since the news reader probably keeps track of last read pointers).

    for my web forums i used vbulletin with the nntp plugin.

    I remember that and it wasn't very good. Don't get me wrong, I thought the vbulletin NNTP support was neat and a nice way to hook it into Synchronet (or jamnntpd for that matter) but it really suffered when it came to sorting messages into threads. It was visibly hacky.

    Never tried that combination. I did try FUDForum with mailing list gating and found similar issues. The email side was fine (as it was handled by a dedicated external list server), but the web side threading wasn't 100%. Also, from memory, this setup required web users to be subscribed to the mailing list separately - something Synchronet's "listgate.js" avoids.

    i dont consider it a forum interface and i dont consider our bbs a forum or our various syncweb msg interfaces a forum interface.

    Our types of BBSs generally include a "forum" (in the sense of a place
    to discuss things online) but that isn't all that they are, and so it's good that ftelnet can help display the rest of it to casual web
    visitors. The textmode interface is the heart and soul of the
    (classic) BBS, and anything else is just an alternate way to get at
    *some* of the same content.

    For a "classic" BBS, I agree, but I see room for a different type of system, where there is more focus on the web, but the "classic" text oriented interfaces are still available as viable alternatives.

    I've seen a *lot* of different web-based online discussion boards.
    I've written a few. So what, in your opinion, does it take to qualify
    as a "forum interface"? BBCode? Smileys? Rich text, hot pink and
    comic sans? (I'm joking; I'd be shocked if you could spell out what
    you consider a "forum interface" to be. Opinions are easy,
    explanations take a bit more thought and effort.)

    That is a good question, and I've used "web forum" as more of a generic placeholder for systems which are used for messaging, and designed with only or primarily a web based interface. The common feature set seems to be:

    User accounts
    User access levels (much like a BBS, though BBSs often have more flexibility) Messages arranged into groups, often called "boards" (analagous to echoes or message areas on a BBS).
    There's also often groups of boards, not unlike the concept of message groups in Synchronet.
    Threading is a common and popular feature in web forums that I've seen.
    Search is also another common option, and one that is popular on support
    orums.

    There may be additional features such as BBCodes, smileys, fonts and colours, file attachments, etc, depending on the implementation. Most of these would be problematic for an implementation that has to work alongside text based users, though smilies could work, since in text, users generally know their smileys.
    )

    And a final note on why this is such a big issue for me. I find web forums difficult to access. This seems to be related to the unique way I use messaging systems - I have a highly associative memory and effectively do all of my "threading" in my head, paying more attention to that than the Subject: header. However to do this, I need to be able to at least skim every message, unless I know the thread is totally irrelevant. I do, however, rely on the system I'm using to keep track of last read pointers, so I can see from the front page (or area list on a BBS) what areas have unread messages. This combination works extremely well with offline mail, where the time to switch message is milliseconds these days (i.e. effectively zero), also works pretty well with sysop readers such as GoldEd running on a local messagebase. It's not quite as good over telnet - message reading is still fast, but tracking where I am in an area and the status of multiple areas is harder).

    However, on a NNTP or web interface, network lag becomes a major issue, because network lag is often in the order of seconds, sometimes even tens of seconds, making my approach very inefficient, and I tend to lose track of threads or miss messages as a result. I tend to spend a lot of time reading a few dozen messages on the web, compared to sorting hundreds, reading several dozen to varying extents and replying to a few in an offline packet. I've also found most web interfaces to be relatively clumsy to navigate, compared to hitting "enter" to go to the next message. Even though some systems offer a "next" button, chances are you have to scroll to get to it after finishing with a message (RSI anyone? ;) ).

    The other thing I like about BBSs is if there's too many to keep up with for messaging, I simply join the message networks of interest with my own BBS or point, and only log in directly for other features (files, chat, etc).

    So I'm big on having multiple ways to access the same data. Hope this makes sense. :)


    ... What you can do to stop obscene phone calls: Don't make them!
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
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  • From echicken@VERT to Tony Langdon on Mon Sep 12 10:29:56 2016
    Re: Re: Tagline Theft
    By: Tony Langdon to echicken on Mon Sep 12 2016 18:17:00

    That is a good question, and I've used "web forum" as more of a generic placeholder for systems which are used for messaging, and designed with only or primarily a web based interface. The common feature set seems to be:

    Yep, I figured that you were talking about web forums. My question was more of a joke on someone else who was quibbling about what deserves to be called a "forum interface". A forum interface would be literally anything that sits in front of / allows access to a discussion forum.

    And a final note on why this is such a big issue for me. I find web forums difficult to access. This seems to be related to the unique way I use
    ...
    However, on a NNTP or web interface, network lag becomes a major issue, because network lag is often in the order of seconds, sometimes even tens of seconds, making my approach very inefficient, and I tend to lose track

    It's good that you've found something that works for your particular case, and that while you don't personally want to use a web interface you can imagine it being useful to others.

    So I'm big on having multiple ways to access the same data. Hope this makes sense. :)

    Absolutely, and it's something that Synchronet is good at or at least has the potential to be good at.

    My efforts on the web side of things in recent years have been to put as much of the BBS' content in the browser as possible, and in a sensible format. Some stuff works best in the style of a normal web page (message groups, boards, and threads; file areas & lists) while other stuff is best presented - or only presentable - via ftelnet (door games, etc.) It seems to me that if somebody chooses to use a web browser to visit your BBS, then it's a web-friendly UI that they're looking for.

    That said, and to my earlier point about "newcomers", someone may stop by who has never heard of a dial-up/telnet/SSH BBS before - so having that web-based terminal there for them to try it out on is a nice thing too.

    Anyway, I'm not writing this message on the web, because that's not the way I prefer to use my BBS either. :D

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