A while back I ran into a problem where I couldn't create a QWK packet
on the BBS, and changed my Compressible file settings in SCFG.

Downloading a QWK file via telnet works, but when I try to download
a packet via FTP, I get a message that there's no QWK packet and see
the following in the logs:

9/28 07:15:24a QWK pack semaphore signaled: c:\sbbs\data\pack0001.now
9/28 07:15:24a Packing QWK Message Packet for Poindexter Fortran
9/28 07:15:26a Poindexter Fortran scanned 199 sub-boards for new messages 9/28 07:15:26a Packed 499 messages (1004032 bytes) in 2 seconds
(249 msgs/sec)
9/28 07:15:26a No packet created (no new messages)

Is there another place I need to look for a setting for QWK downloads
via FTP? They work via telnet, as I mentioned. My compressible command
line is %@zip -jD %f %s and seems to work for telnet.

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Re: More archiver fun
By: Poindexter Fortran to All on Wed Sep 28 2016 07:24 am

A while back I ran into a problem where I couldn't create a QWK packet
on the BBS, and changed my Compressible file settings in SCFG.

Downloading a QWK file via telnet works, but when I try to download
a packet via FTP, I get a message that there's no QWK packet and see
the following in the logs:

9/28 07:15:24a QWK pack semaphore signaled: c:\sbbs\data\pack0001.now
9/28 07:15:24a Packing QWK Message Packet for Poindexter Fortran
9/28 07:15:26a Poindexter Fortran scanned 199 sub-boards for new messages 9/28 07:15:26a Packed 499 messages (1004032 bytes) in 2 seconds
(249 msgs/sec)
9/28 07:15:26a No packet created (no new messages)

Is there another place I need to look for a setting for QWK downloads
via FTP? They work via telnet, as I mentioned. My compressible command
line is %@zip -jD %f %s and seems to work for telnet.

The Terminal Server performs all QWK packet creation and extraction/import. The FTP server just signals (via semaphore) the Terminal Server (event thread) requesting that it create a QWK packet for a particular user. So if the Terminal Serer can zip the QWK packet for Telnet users, it should be able to do so for FTP users too. If you increase your log level output to Debug (for the Terminal Server) you should be able to see more details about the creation of QWK packets/zipping.

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Re: More archiver fun
By: Digital Man to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Sep 29 2016 04:31 pm

The Terminal Server performs all QWK packet creation and extraction/import. The FTP server just signals (via semaphore) the Terminal Server (event thread) requesting that it create a QWK packet for a particular user. So if the Terminal Serer can zip the QWK packet for Telnet users, it should be able to do so for FTP users too. If you increase your log level output to Debug (for the Terminal Server) you should be able to see more details about the creation of QWK packets/zipping.

I changed the log level to debugging, and still can't create a QWK packet via FTP, but can via telnet. Here's the log entry for Telnet and QWK, respectively, with debugging log level.

Telnet:

Poindexter Fortran scanned 199 sub-boards for new messages
Packed 718 messages (2311552 bytes) in 2 seconds (359 msgs/sec)
Node 2 Executing external: c:\sbbs\exec\zip -jD c:\sbbs\NODE2\temp\REALITY.qwk c:\sbbs\NODE2\temp\*.*
Node 2 Executing external: c:\sbbs\exec\sexyz.exe 1528 -Telnet sz c:\sbbs\NODE2\temp\REALITY.qwk
Node 2 z 763763 115200 bps 381881 cps 0 errors 44 1024 c:\sbbs\NODE2\temp\REALITY.qwk -1
Node 2 Poindexter Fortran downloaded QWK packet

FTP:

QWK pack semaphore signaled: c:\sbbs\data\pack0001.now
Packing QWK Message Packet for Poindexter Fortran
Poindexter Fortran scanned 199 sub-boards for new messages
Packed 718 messages (2311552 bytes) in 2 seconds (359 msgs/sec)
No packet created (no new messages)
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Re: More archiver fun
By: Kurt Weiske to Digital Man on Thu Sep 29 2016 07:51 pm

Re: More archiver fun
By: Digital Man to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Sep 29 2016 04:31 pm

The Terminal Server performs all QWK packet creation and extraction/import. The FTP server just signals (via semaphore) the Terminal Server (event thread) requesting that it create a QWK packet for a particular user. So if the Terminal Serer can zip the QWK packet for Telnet users, it should be able to do so for FTP users too. If you increase your log level output to Debug (for the Terminal Server) you should be able to see more details about the creation of QWK packets/zipping.

I changed the log level to debugging, and still can't create a QWK packet via FTP, but can via telnet. Here's the log entry for Telnet and QWK, respectively, with debugging log level.

Telnet:

Poindexter Fortran scanned 199 sub-boards for new messages
Packed 718 messages (2311552 bytes) in 2 seconds (359 msgs/sec)
Node 2 Executing external: c:\sbbs\exec\zip -jD c:\sbbs\NODE2\temp\REALITY.qwk c:\sbbs\NODE2\temp\*.*
Node 2 Executing external: c:\sbbs\exec\sexyz.exe 1528 -Telnet sz c:\sbbs\NODE2\temp\REALITY.qwk
Node 2 z 763763 115200 bps 381881 cps 0 errors 44 1024 c:\sbbs\NODE2\temp\REALITY.qwk -1
Node 2 Poindexter Fortran downloaded QWK packet

FTP:

QWK pack semaphore signaled: c:\sbbs\data\pack0001.now
Packing QWK Message Packet for Poindexter Fortran
Poindexter Fortran scanned 199 sub-boards for new messages
Packed 718 messages (2311552 bytes) in 2 seconds (359 msgs/sec)
No packet created (no new messages)

Are you logged into the Terminal Server at the same time that you're trying to download a QWK packet via FTP? If so, that's likely the problem. The QWK packet creation code specifically disallows "offline" QWK packet creation while a user is logged into the Terminal Server due to new-message-scan pointer confusion (the last user to log-off would "win the race").

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Re: More archiver fun
By: Digital Man to Kurt Weiske on Mon Oct 03 2016 10:34 pm

Are you logged into the Terminal Server at the same time that you're trying to download a QWK packet via FTP? If so, that's likely the problem. The QWK packet creation code specifically disallows "offline" QWK packet creation while a user is logged into the Terminal Server due to new-message-scan pointer confusion (the last user to log-off would "win the race").

The problem seems to have gone away after a reboot. Fingers crossed.

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Re: More archiver fun
By: Poindexter Fortran to Digital Man on Tue Oct 04 2016 10:28 am

Re: More archiver fun
By: Digital Man to Kurt Weiske on Mon Oct 03 2016 10:34 pm

Are you logged into the Terminal Server at the same time that you're trying to download a QWK packet via FTP? If so, that's likely the problem. The QWK packet creation code specifically disallows "offline" QWK packet creation while a user is logged into the Terminal Server due to new-message-scan pointer confusion (the last user to log-off would "win the race").

The problem seems to have gone away after a reboot. Fingers crossed.

I don't think the reboot had anything to do with it. If you were logged into the Terminal Server (i.e. via Telnet, SSH, RLogin) at the same time as the FTP-download attempt, that would explain it.

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Digital Man wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

I don't think the reboot had anything to do with it. If you were logged into the Terminal Server (i.e. via Telnet, SSH, RLogin) at the same
time as the FTP-download attempt, that would explain it.

Thanks for sharing that, very handy to know.


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Re: Re: More archiver fun
By: Tony Langdon to Digital Man on Wed Oct 05 2016 12:27 pm

Digital Man wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

I don't think the reboot had anything to do with it. If you were logged into the Terminal Server (i.e. via Telnet, SSH, RLogin) at the same time as the FTP-download attempt, that would explain it.

Thanks for sharing that, very handy to know.

Sure, but it only has to do with QWK packet creation and only if the *same* user is logged into the Terminal Server and the FTP server concurrently.

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Digital Man wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Sure, but it only has to do with QWK packet creation and only if the *same* user is logged into the Terminal Server and the FTP server concurrently.

Which for me is potentially a very common situation. I do recall trying to download a QWK packet via FTP and it not working. 99 chance I was online at the time, which explains why it didn't work. :)


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Re: Re: More archiver fun
By: Tony Langdon to Digital Man on Wed Oct 05 2016 04:42 pm

Digital Man wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Sure, but it only has to do with QWK packet creation and only if the *same* user is logged into the Terminal Server and the FTP server concurrently.

Which for me is potentially a very common situation. I do recall trying to download a QWK packet via FTP and it not working. 99 chance I was online at the time, which explains why it didn't work. :)

I've added detailed log output so it won't be so mysterious in future versions. :-)

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Digital Man wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I've added detailed log output so it won't be so mysterious in future versions. :-)

Cool. :)


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I've added detailed log output so it won't be so mysterious in future versions. :-)

New sbbs Version does include a Tic Processor ?

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Sure, but it only has to do with QWK packet creation and only if the *same* user is logged into the Terminal Server and the FTP server concurrently.

Which for me is potentially a very common situation. I do recall trying to download a QWK packet via FTP and it not working. 99 chance I was online at the time, which explains why it didn't work. :)

I've added detailed log output so it won't be so mysterious in future versions. :-)

hmm, as of this messages (10/5/16 @ 12:11 pm - last qwk callout was a few mins ago), what you did hasn't show up in the Synchronet Programming (C_C++ and CVS) echo, last time something was posted was at 9/25/16


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Gallaxial wrote to Digital Man <=-

I've added detailed log output so it won't be so mysterious in future versions. :-)

New sbbs Version does include a Tic Processor ?

Yes, there is one written in Javascript called Tickit which comes with the development builds.


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Re: Re: More archiver fun
By: Tony Langdon to Gallaxial on Thu Oct 06 2016 08:25:00

New sbbs Version does include a Tic Processor ?

Yes, there is one written in Javascript called Tickit which comes with the development builds.

I think that is only for internal use. If I remember correctly it will not create outbounds. I use HTick here. It was a bit of a pig to set up, but with some help I got it working. That was about 6 or so years ago. Have not touched it since. Might break something :) I also have the original Tic. Works well also.
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Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I think that is only for internal use. If I remember correctly it will not create outbounds. I use HTick here. It was a bit of a pig to set
up, but with some help I got it working. That was about 6 or so years ago. Have not touched it since. Might break something :) I also have the original Tic. Works well also.

I've managed to get Tickit somewhat working with 3.16c. I'm only using it for inbound files anyway, not forwarding them on.


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Re: Re: More archiver fun
By: Gallaxial to Digital Man on Wed Oct 05 2016 07:36 am

I've added detailed log output so it won't be so mysterious in future versions. :-)

New sbbs Version does include a Tic Processor ?

There's a tic processing script in CVS called "TickIt" (exec/tickit.js). It probably requires that run the current development version of sbbs.

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Re: Re: More archiver fun
By: Lord Time to Digital Man on Wed Oct 05 2016 12:13 pm

Sure, but it only has to do with QWK packet creation and only if the *same* user is logged into the Terminal Server and the FTP server concurrently.

Which for me is potentially a very common situation. I do recall trying to download a QWK packet via FTP and it not working. 99 chance I was online at the time, which explains why it didn't work. :)

I've added detailed log output so it won't be so mysterious in future versions. :-)

hmm, as of this messages (10/5/16 @ 12:11 pm - last qwk callout was a few mins ago), what you did hasn't show up in the Synchronet Programming (C_C++ and CVS) echo, last time something was posted was at 9/25/16

I haven't committed it yet.

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Sure, but it only has to do with QWK packet creation and only if the *same* user is logged into the Terminal Server and the FTP server concurrently.

Which for me is potentially a very common situation. I do recall trying to download a QWK packet via FTP and it not working. 99 chance I was online at the time, which explains why it didn't work. :)

I've added detailed log output so it won't be so mysterious in future versions. :-)

hmm, as of this messages (10/5/16 @ 12:11 pm - last qwk callout was a few mins ago), what you did hasn't show up in the Synchronet Programming (C_C++ and CVS) echo, last time something was posted was at 9/25/16

I haven't committed it yet.

ohh ok


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Re: Re: More archiver fun
By: Tony Langdon to Joe Delahaye on Thu Oct 06 2016 14:02:00

I think that is only for internal use. If I remember correctly it
will not create outbounds. I use HTick here. It was a bit of a pig
to set up, but with some help I got it working. That was about 6 or
so years ago. Have not touched it since. Might break something :)
I also have the original Tic. Works well also.

I've managed to get Tickit somewhat working with 3.16c. I'm only using it for inbound files anyway, not forwarding them on.

If that is all you need, then that is sufficient I guess.
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Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I've managed to get Tickit somewhat working with 3.16c. I'm only using it for inbound files anyway, not forwarding them on.

If that is all you need, then that is sufficient I guess.

Would be different if I was using Synchronet as a hub, or had downlinks, such as points.


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Tony Langdon wrote to Joe Delahaye <=-

Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I've managed to get Tickit somewhat working with 3.16c. I'm only using it for inbound files anyway, not forwarding them on.

If that is all you need, then that is sufficient I guess.

Would be different if I was using Synchronet as a hub, or had
downlinks, such as points.

I'm pretty sure tickit doesn't handle downlinks. I use htick for that reason. It really is easy to setup as long as you have the correct switches for sbbsecho in your incoming mail batch file.

Here is the beginning of my bat to process incoming...

@echo off

cd c:\sbbs\exec

echo.
echo.
echo ***** Process inbound mail

sbbsecho -LESRFD! > c:\sbbs\events\inerror.log < Step 1

CD c:\husky

htick -c htick.cfg scan


Here is what the log entry looks like for Step 1

SBBSecho v3.00-Win32 (rev 3.20) - Synchronet FidoNet EchoMail Tosser

Loading configuration files from c:\sbbs\ctrl\
SBBSecho 3.00-Win32 r3.20 Sep 5 2016 MSC 1800 invoked with options: -LESRFD! Reading ../data/areas.bbs

Scanning c:\sbbs\temp\sbbsecho\ for Stray Outbound Packets...

Scanning for Inbound Packets...
Scanning c:\fd\secure\
Importing c:\fd\secure\f6f58e7c.pkt (Type 2+, 1.8KB) from 1:261/38 to 1:266/404
SYNCDATA: 2syncdata ERROR smb_addmsg(2syncdata) returned 1: duplicate TEXT_BODY: hash found in message #2147
SYNCDATA Duplicate message from SYSTEM (1:261/38) to SBL, subject: TARDIS BBS

Deleting c:\fd\secure\f6f58e7c.pkt (from line 4863)
Scanning c:\fd\inbound\
Duplicate: 1 detected in SYNCDATA

Scanning for Inbound NetMail Messages...

Exporting Outbound NetMail from c:\sbbs\data\mail to c:\fd\netmail\*.msg ...

Packing Outbound NetMail from c:\fd\netmail\*.msg ...
Deleting c:\sbbs\ctrl\sbbsecho.bsy (from line 2243)



htick scan will then scan any *.msg in your secure and if it finds a filefix message, it will process it and drop a reply in your outbound netmail folder in a *.msg format where sbbsecho will convert it when it you run FIDOOUT. Here are my switches for that:

sbbsecho -FLIND > c:\sbbs\events\outerror.log

Here is what htick's outbound log looks like...

---------- Sat 09 Jan 16, htick/w32-mvcdll 1.9.0-cur 30-06-15
1 19:09:01 Start
7 19:09:01 Checking tmp dir
8 19:09:01 FileFix: request from 24:160/1
8 19:09:01 FileFix: 24:160/1 subscribed to area 'SPORNODE'
A 19:09:01 queueFile for FileFix not defined in af_config
8 19:09:02 FileFix: 24:160/1 subscribed to area 'SPORECHO'
8 19:09:02 FileFix: 24:160/1 subscribed to area 'SPORGATE'
8 19:09:02 FileFix: 24:160/1 subscribed to area 'SPORINFO'
8 19:09:02 FileFix: 24:160/1 subscribed to area 'SPOR_ADM'
8 19:09:02 FileFix: 24:160/1 subscribed to area 'FILES2HQ'
5 19:09:03 Wrote Netmail to: 24:160/1.0
8 19:09:03 FileFix: successfully done for 24:160/1
8 19:09:03 FileFix: Write netmail msg for 24:160/1
5 19:09:03 Wrote Netmail to: 24:160/1.0
1 19:09:03 End

Hope this helps...


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Bill McGarrity wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I'm pretty sure tickit doesn't handle downlinks. I use htick for that reason. It really is easy to setup as long as you have the correct switches for sbbsecho in your incoming mail batch file.

I'll have to take a closer look later, I'm a bit brain dead tonight. :(



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Re: Re: More archiver fun
By: Tony Langdon to Joe Delahaye on Fri Oct 07 2016 06:43:00

I've managed to get Tickit somewhat working with 3.16c. I'm only
using it for inbound files anyway, not forwarding them on.

If that is all you need, then that is sufficient I guess.

Would be different if I was using Synchronet as a hub, or had downlinks, such as points.

Which is the case here <G>
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Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Would be different if I was using Synchronet as a hub, or had downlinks, such as points.

Which is the case here <G>

So you need a different TIC processor. :-)


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Re: Re: More archiver fun
By: Tony Langdon to Joe Delahaye on Sat Oct 08 2016 09:00:00

Would be different if I was using Synchronet as a hub, or had
downlinks, such as points.

Which is the case here <G>

So you need a different TIC processor. :-)

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Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Indeed, but, I set this up years ago. The software I am using is
ancient I guess, but I dont know how easy it is to update. My
Htick.exe is from 2003 <G>

As long as it does what you want it to. :)


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Re: Re: More archiver fun
By: Tony Langdon to Joe Delahaye on Sat Oct 08 2016 18:32:00

Indeed, but, I set this up years ago. The software I am using is
ancient I guess, but I dont know how easy it is to update. My
Htick.exe is from 2003 <G>

As long as it does what you want it to. :)

It does that. If it breaks, I'll look further <G>
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Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

As long as it does what you want it to. :)

It does that. If it breaks, I'll look further <G>

Sounds like a plan. :)


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