• P2P message exchange for Synchronet?

    From Darkages@VERT to P2P message exchange for Synchronet? on Tue Nov 15 09:23:55 2016
    Will there ever be a peer-to-peer message exchange for Synchronet?



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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@VERT to Darkages on Tue Nov 15 19:07:52 2016
    Hi,

    On 2016-11-15 09:23:55, Darkages wrote to P2P message exchange for Synchrone:
    about: "P2P message exchange for Synchronet?":

    Will there ever be a peer-to-peer message exchange for Synchronet?

    Like fidonet? ;)


    Bye, Wilfred.


  • From Darkages@VERT to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Nov 15 22:55:50 2016
    Fidonet wasn't necessarily peer-to-peet was it? Like I want this.

    You have 3 nodes, A,B and C.

    A syncs wiyh B and C.
    B syncs with A and C.
    C syncs with A and B.

    Rather than having nodr C and B sync with A or having C sync with B which in turn syncs with A.

    Regards,
    Tristan B. Kildaire (Deavmi)

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT to Darkages on Wed Nov 16 19:38:00 2016
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    Fidonet wasn't necessarily peer-to-peet was it? Like I want this.

    You have 3 nodes, A,B and C.

    A syncs wiyh B and C.
    B syncs with A and C.
    C syncs with A and B.

    Sounds like Fidoweb to me. :)


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  • From Steven Sheeley@VERT to Vk3jed on Wed Nov 16 11:33:59 2016
    Hello Vk3jed!

    Replying to a msg dated 16 Nov 16 19:38, from you to Darkages.

    What is fidoweb? I keep hearing references to it, but have never see it.

    Steven


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  • From Darkages@VERT to Vk3jed on Wed Nov 16 07:14:04 2016
    Think of a mesh like topology for the network. Do you think it would be possible. I emailed Mr. Swindell about it and he said it should work, duplicate messages should be caught by the duplication checker, using hashing.

    I will test this during my school holidays and see if I can get it to work.


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  • From echicken@VERT to Darkages on Wed Nov 16 16:19:34 2016
    Re: Re: P2P message exchange for Synchronet?
    By: Darkages to Vk3jed on Wed Nov 16 2016 07:14:04

    Think of a mesh like topology for the network. Do you think it would be possible. I emailed Mr. Swindell about it and he said it should work,

    It's certainly possible for BBSs to barf messages at each other, importing and exporting them as they go. Synchronet already offers ways to do this using all kinds of different protocols, and it's fairly easy to implement (or invent) new ones.

    The rest comes down to how you actually want it to work, and how you want it to differ from existing protocols. How will the peers discover each other? Will they be broadcasting new messages to each other in real-time, or will they periodically poll one another and synchronize in some way? How will this system deal with security, spam, troublemakers, etc.?

    Anyway, it can be done - but whether or not it would be an improvement over existing technologies remains to be seen.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT to Steven Sheeley on Thu Nov 17 08:16:00 2016
    Steven Sheeley wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Replying to a msg dated 16 Nov 16 19:38, from you to Darkages.

    What is fidoweb? I keep hearing references to it, but have never see
    it.

    It's an FTN network where participating nodes exchange mail in a mesh topology.
    Requires tossers with excellent dupe checking, because each node will receive _many_ dupes, which need to be fltered out. But the advantages are that everyone has redundant feeds, and no one node can cut a system off.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT to Darkages on Thu Nov 17 08:17:00 2016
    Darkages wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Think of a mesh like topology for the network. Do you think it would be possible. I emailed Mr. Swindell about it and he said it should work, duplicate messages should be caught by the duplication checker, using hashing.

    You're describing the Fidoweb. It is already happening, especially in Europe.


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  • From Accession@VERT to Vk3jed on Wed Nov 16 20:00:14 2016
    Hello Vk3jed,

    On 17 Nov 16 08:16, Vk3jed wrote to Steven Sheeley:

    What is fidoweb? I keep hearing references to it, but have never
    see it.

    It's an FTN network where participating nodes exchange mail in a mesh topology. Requires tossers with excellent dupe checking, because each
    node will receive _many_ dupes, which need to be fltered out. But the advantages are that everyone has redundant feeds, and no one node can
    cut a system off.

    To add to this, and aside from cutting other systems off.. it's also a nice easy way to work around systems that are down as well. If you only had one uplink, and they go away on vacation only for their system to go down as soon as they close the front door to their house (it actually happens more than you'd like to think.. lol), you would get no mail until said system came back online. With the Fidoweb model, one (or more even) system(s) can go down and there would be no stoppage in mail flow. This is one of the main reasons I joined in on the idea.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT to Vk3jed on Wed Nov 16 21:14:27 2016
    Re: Re: P2P message exchange for Synchronet?
    By: Vk3jed to Darkages on Wed Nov 16 2016 19:38:00

    You have 3 nodes, A,B and C.

    A syncs wiyh B and C.
    B syncs with A and C.
    C syncs with A and B.

    Sounds like Fidoweb to me. :)

    Soounds more like a STAR system to me <G>

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT to Accession on Thu Nov 17 21:06:00 2016
    Accession wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    To add to this, and aside from cutting other systems off.. it's also a nice easy way to work around systems that are down as well. If you only had one uplink, and they go away on vacation only for their system to
    go down as soon as they close the front door to their house (it
    actually happens more than you'd like to think.. lol), you would get no mail until said system came back online. With the Fidoweb model, one
    (or more even) system(s) can go down and there would be no stoppage in mail flow. This is one of the main reasons I joined in on the idea.

    Yes, I see a lot of advantages to the idea. Once I'm confident in my dupe checking, I'll be interested in joining in. :)


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  • From Darkages@VERT to Vk3jed on Thu Nov 17 00:29:53 2016
    You're describing the Fidoweb. It is already happening, especially in Europe.

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    Really. That's cool. Anywhere where I can find out more information on fidoweb.

    Regards,
    Tristan B. Kildaire (Deavmi)

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  • From Darkages@VERT to Vk3jed on Thu Nov 17 00:31:57 2016
    It's an FTN network where participating nodes exchange mail in a mesh topology.
    Requires tossers with excellent dupe checking, because each node will receive _many_ dupes, which need to be fltered out. But the advantages are that everyone has redundant feeds, and no one node can cut a system off.

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    Does Synchronet offer the ability for this?

    Regards,
    Tristan B. Kildaire (Deavmi)

    E-mail: deavmi@darkagesbbs.com

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  • From Accession@VERT to Darkages on Thu Nov 17 07:52:24 2016
    Hello Darkages,

    On 17 Nov 16 00:31, Darkages wrote to Vk3jed:

    It's an FTN network where participating nodes exchange mail in a
    mesh topology.
    Requires tossers with excellent dupe checking, because each node
    will receive _many_ dupes, which need to be fltered out. But the
    advantages are that everyone has redundant feeds, and no one node
    can cut a system off.

    Does Synchronet offer the ability for this?

    Yes. Even better so now with sbbsecho v3. Joe and Bill bugged DM so much he decided to make an entirely new version!

    <cough cough> :) :) :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Darkages@VERT to Vk3jed on Thu Nov 17 10:37:15 2016
    Yes, I see a lot of advantages to the idea. Once I'm confident in my dupe checking, I'll be interested in joining in. :)

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    Cool

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  • From Darkages@VERT to Vk3jed on Thu Nov 17 10:39:08 2016
    It's an FTN network where participating nodes exchange mail in a mesh topology.
    Requires tossers with excellent dupe checking, because each node will receive _many_ dupes, which need to be fltered out. But the advantages are that everyone has redundant feeds, and no one node can cut a system off.

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    Is there info on this network. I want to read up about it. After I play around with Synchronet.

    Regards,
    Tristan B. Kildaire (Deavmi)

    E-mail: deavmi@darkagesbbs.com

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT to Darkages on Fri Nov 18 06:35:00 2016
    Darkages wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Really. That's cool. Anywhere where I can find out more information on fidoweb.

    I'm sure some people here know about it, or ask around on Fidonet, you'll soon get some responses. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT to Darkages on Fri Nov 18 06:37:00 2016
    Darkages wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Does Synchronet offer the ability for this?

    From what I've read, Synchronet does work well in an environment with multiple feeds. It does have pretty good dupe checking. But I haven't tried doing it myself, yet.


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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT to Accession on Thu Nov 17 19:28:00 2016
    Accession wrote to Darkages <=-

    Hello Darkages,

    On 17 Nov 16 00:31, Darkages wrote to Vk3jed:

    It's an FTN network where participating nodes exchange mail in a
    mesh topology.
    Requires tossers with excellent dupe checking, because each node
    will receive _many_ dupes, which need to be fltered out. But the
    advantages are that everyone has redundant feeds, and no one node
    can cut a system off.

    Does Synchronet offer the ability for this?

    Yes. Even better so now with sbbsecho v3. Joe and Bill bugged DM so
    much he decided to make an entirely new version!

    <cough cough> :) :) :)

    We're good at stuff like that... <beam>

    ;)


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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT to Darkages on Thu Nov 17 21:59:53 2016
    Re: Re: P2P message exchange for Synchronet?
    By: Darkages to Vk3jed on Thu Nov 17 2016 00:31:57

    Does Synchronet offer the ability for this?


    Seems to. I rarely see any dupes except when something gets changed.

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT to Accession on Thu Nov 17 22:01:12 2016
    Re: Re: P2P message exchange for Synchronet?
    By: Accession to Darkages on Thu Nov 17 2016 07:52:24

    Does Synchronet offer the ability for this?

    Yes. Even better so now with sbbsecho v3. Joe and Bill bugged DM so much he decided to make an entirely new version!

    <cough cough> :) :) :)

    Got something in yer throat?? :)

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Darkages on Fri Nov 18 19:01:00 2016
    Darkages wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Is there info on this network. I want to read up about it. After I play around with Synchronet.

    Ask around on Fidonet. :)


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@VERT to Darkages on Fri Nov 18 11:38:41 2016
    Hi,

    On 2016-11-15 22:55:50, Darkages wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
    about: "Re: P2P message exchange for Synchronet?":

    Fidonet wasn't necessarily peer-to-peet was it? Like I want this.

    You have 3 nodes, A,B and C.

    A syncs wiyh B and C.
    B syncs with A and C.
    C syncs with A and B.

    Rather than having nodr C and B sync with A or having C sync with B which in turn syncs with A.

    That's the fidoweb... ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@VERT to Steven Sheeley on Fri Nov 18 11:42:14 2016
    Hi,

    On 2016-11-16 11:33:59, Steven Sheeley wrote to Vk3jed:
    about: "P2P message exchange for Synchronet?":

    What is fidoweb? I keep hearing references to it, but have never see
    it.

    You can't see it, you can't join it. It's just the way you link to multiple other nodes.

    Here's an article that was published in fidonews that describes it:

    http://www.vlist.eu/downloads/fidonews/nads.txt

    Bye, Wilfred.


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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Vk3jed on Fri Nov 18 22:22:52 2016
    16 Nov 16 19:38, you wrote to Darkages:

    Fidonet wasn't necessarily peer-to-peet was it? Like I want this.

    You have 3 nodes, A,B and C.

    A syncs wiyh B and C.
    B syncs with A and C.
    C syncs with A and B.

    Sounds like Fidoweb to me. :)

    looks like most FTN distribution systems, to me...

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Vk3jed on Fri Nov 18 22:24:10 2016
    17 Nov 16 08:16, you wrote to Steven Sheeley:

    What is fidoweb? I keep hearing references to it, but have never see
    it.

    It's an FTN network

    not a FTN network... more like a connection methodology where you have redundant interconnections for an echo...

    where participating nodes exchange mail in a mesh topology. Requires tossers with excellent dupe checking, because each node will receive _many_ dupes, which need to be fltered out. But the advantages are
    that everyone has redundant feeds, and no one node can cut a system
    off.

    that part is accurate ;)

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT to mark lewis on Sat Nov 19 19:57:00 2016
    mark lewis wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    not a FTN network... more like a connection methodology where you have redundant interconnections for an echo...

    Technically, you're correct.


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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Vk3jed on Sat Nov 19 10:12:26 2016
    19 Nov 16 19:57, you wrote to me:

    not a FTN network... more like a connection methodology where you
    have redundant interconnections for an echo...

    Technically, you're correct.

    well, fidonet is a technical network, afterall O:-)

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