Just installed the lastest DDMsgreader from cvs. The problem I'm having is that some of messages show up with parts of the message missing and other messages show up just fine. Running lastest Synchronet version from cvs.

I took a few screenshots but did know how to attach them to a message.

Thanks,
Phoenyx

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Just installed the lastest DDMsgreader from cvs. The problem I'm having is that some of messages show up with parts of the message missing and other messages show up just fine. Running lastest Synchronet version from cvs.

I took a few screenshots but did know how to attach them to a message.

that nightfox program, I think something happened, I'em his fidonet hub boss, my ftn hasn't been able to connect to his for 8 hr. & 35 mins at this point


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Just installed the lastest DDMsgreader from cvs. The problem I'm having is that some of messages show up with parts of the message missing and other messages show up just fine. Running lastest Synchronet version from cvs.

I took a few screenshots but did know how to attach them to a message.

I haven't seen that issue before. If you have a place where you can upload your screenshots and provide links to them, that would be good. However if I cannot reproduce it on my system, it's not something I could easily fix.

Nightfox

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that nightfox program, I think something happened, I'em his fidonet hub boss, my ftn hasn't been able to connect to his for 8 hr. & 35 mins at this point

My BBS machine's network connected got disconnected for some reason. It's running in a VM and I restarted it, and now it's online again.

Nightfox

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here are the screenshots links

http://i.imgur.com/vJwOdPq.png
http://i.imgur.com/ivErv1l.png

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that nightfox program, I think something happened, I'em his fidonet hub boss, my ftn hasn't been able to connect to his for 8 hr. & 35 mins at this point

My BBS machine's network connected got disconnected for some reason.

ohh noooooooooo

It's running in a VM and I restarted it, and now it's online again.

ok, I see that it's been calling (qwk & ftn)


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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Thu Feb 02 2017 11:51 pm

here are the screenshots links

http://i.imgur.com/vJwOdPq.png
http://i.imgur.com/ivErv1l.png

I had a look at those same messages on my BBS with DDMsgReader, and they look fine to me. I'm wondering if something else might be going on.. What version of SyncTerm are you using? And are you using the usual terminal settings for a BBS?

Nightfox

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El 03/02/17 a las 14:28, Nightfox escribió:

Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Thu Feb 02 2017 11:51 pm

here are the screenshots links

http://i.imgur.com/vJwOdPq.png
http://i.imgur.com/ivErv1l.png

I had a look at those same messages on my BBS with DDMsgReader, and they look fine to me. I'm wondering if something else might be going on.. What version
of SyncTerm are you using? And are you using the usual terminal settings for a
BBS?

Nightfox

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i note have issue sometimes
i use lastest syncterm code from cvs on Linux.

i note have issue sometimes
i use lastest syncterm code from cvs on Linux.

I'm not sure what you mean. You do have issues or you're not having issues?

Nightfox

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I am using Syncterm v1.1b. Tried it Qodem and Netrunner and same thing happens. I am using ansi terminal settings. Some of the messages appear fine while other are not (weird).

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I am using Syncterm v1.1b. Tried it Qodem and Netrunner and same thing happens. I am using ansi terminal settings. Some of the messages appear fine while others do not (weird).

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Sat Feb 04 2017 07:24 pm

I am using Syncterm v1.1b. Tried it Qodem and Netrunner and same thing happens. I am using ansi terminal settings. Some of the messages appear fine while others do not (weird).

I'm at a bit of a loss right now, since I have not seen that happen (at least, when using it with my BBS).

Nightfox

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Ok. Thanks

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El 03/02/17 a las 16:46, Nightfox escribió:

i note have issue sometimes
i use lastest syncterm code from cvs on Linux.

I'm not sure what you mean. You do have issues or you're not having issues?

Sorry. i have the issue.

I upload a video capture to see:

https://youtu.be/PGxtvaCr6BM

Thanks!

Sorry. i have the issue.

I upload a video capture to see:

https://youtu.be/PGxtvaCr6BM

From your video, it looks like there was nothing wrong with the formatting of the messages. I didn't see formatting issues like Phoenyx was describing. In your video, I did see small marks on the terminal area - I've actually seen that in SyncTerm sometimes, and it didn't seem to matter what I was doing on my BBS (I wasn't always using my reader when I saw those). I believe that is some sort of terminal issue, as I have no idea what my reader would be doing to cause that. I also saw those when you were at your BBS menu, so I'm not entirely sure it's a reader issue. Also I have not seen that with my reader.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Thu Feb 02 2017 11:51 pm

here are the screenshots links

http://i.imgur.com/vJwOdPq.png
http://i.imgur.com/ivErv1l.png

Hi Phoenyx,

This weekend I saw a message on my BBS that looked like it had the same issue. I have made a fix and committed the change to the Synchronet CVS. Hopefully that will fix the issue for you too. You can download the updated DDMsgReader here:
http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/xtrn/DDMsgReader/
Click on DDMsgReader.js, then next to the latest version (1.89), click on "download", save it as DDMsgReader.js, and copy it to where you have it on your BBS machine.

I've noticed that some messages include a couple extra lines at the beginning that say "By: <name> to <name> on <date>" (<name> and <date> are actual user names and a date). The message I saw had some ANSI codes in those lines which were messing up the display of the message with the scrolling interface. The ANSI codes could have included cursor movement codes and possibly others that were messing with my reader displaying the message.

Nightfox

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any progress on troubleshooting on the issues I'm having with DDMsgReader?


---Phoenyx

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any progress on troubleshooting on the issues I'm having with DDMsgReader?

I replied to you in this thread about a week ago to let you know I made an update which I hope will fix the issue. Please update to the latest version from CVS. I'm curious if the fix works for you.

Nightfox

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Also, on messages that show messed up, a box will flash on screen and then disappear. Messages that show up correctly there is no box on screen.

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Also, on messages that show messed up, a box will flash on screen and then disappear. Messages that show up correctly there is no box on screen.

Have you tried the latest from CVS? Are you seeing my messages?

Nightfox

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Also, on messages that show messed up, a box will flash on screen and then disappear. Messages that show up correctly there is no box on screen.

Sorry for the double post


--Phoenyx

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Also, on messages that show messed up, a box will flash on screen and then disappear. Messages that show up correctly there is no box on screen.

Sorry for the double post

Have you tried the latest version from CVS to see if it fixes these issues for you?

Nightfox

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Tue Feb 28 2017 08:55 pm

Also, on messages that show messed up, a box will flash on screen and then disappear. Messages that show up correctly there is no box on screen.

Sorry for the double post

Trying again.. Are you able to see this message? I have replied to you a few times but I haven't heard back, so I'm not sure if you've seen my replies or not.
I made an update to DDMsgReader on February 20th which I hope should fix the issues you're seeing. Please get the latest DDMsgReader from CVS and see if it fixes the issues: http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/xtrn/DDMsgReader/DDMsgReader.js
On the latest version (1.90), click the "download" link - Your browser will probably display it in the browser instead, but you should be able to right-click the document on the browser and choose to save it.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Tue Feb 28 2017 08:55 pm

Also, on messages that show messed up, a box will flash on screen

and

then disappear. Messages that show up correctly there is no box on screen.

Sorry for the double post

Trying again.. Are you able to see this message? I have replied to you

a

few times but I haven't heard back, so I'm not sure if you've seen my replies or not.
I made an update to DDMsgReader on February 20th which I hope should fix

the

issues you're seeing. Please get the latest DDMsgReader from CVS and

see if

it fixes the issues:
http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-

bin/viewcvs.cgi/xtrn/DDMsgReader/DDMsgReader.js

On the latest version (1.90), click the "download" link - Your browser

will

probably display it in the browser instead, but you should be able to right-click the document on the browser and choose to save it.

Nightfox

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Sorry, I've had internet connections issues. I downloaded and installed the lastest DDMsgReader update from cvs. Still have the same issues.
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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Tue Feb 28 2017 08:55 pm

Also, on messages that show messed up, a box will flash on screen

and

then disappear. Messages that show up correctly there is no box on screen.

Sorry for the double post

Trying again.. Are you able to see this message? I have replied to you

a

few times but I haven't heard back, so I'm not sure if you've seen my replies or not.
I made an update to DDMsgReader on February 20th which I hope should fix

the

issues you're seeing. Please get the latest DDMsgReader from CVS and

see if

it fixes the issues:
http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-

bin/viewcvs.cgi/xtrn/DDMsgReader/DDMsgReader.js

On the latest version (1.90), click the "download" link - Your browser

will

probably display it in the browser instead, but you should be able to right-click the document on the browser and choose to save it.

Nightfox

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Posted a video to Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=hDWY2iQeS3o&feature=youtu.be. Showing the problem. At time index 00:04 is when command prompt window flashes on screen with the messed up messages.
No command prompt window on good messages.
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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: PHOENYXC to Nightfox on Sat Mar 11 2017 04:11 pm

Posted a video to Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=hDWY2iQeS3o&feature=youtu.be. Showing the problem. At time index 00:04 is when command prompt window flashes on screen with the messed up messages. No command prompt window on good messages.

What terminal software are you using? From the icon, it looks like mTelnet? With my latest updates in DDMsgReader, I am still unable to see the issues shown in your video. Are you sure you are running the latest DDMsgReader? In the help screen, it should show version 1.17 beta 33 (2017-02-20).

One odd thing I did notice with mTelnet (for me) is that it looks like the 80th column is cut off, whereas in SyncTerm it looks fine.

Nightfox

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Posted a video to Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=hDWY2iQeS3o&feature=youtu.be. Showing the problem. At time index 00:04 is when command prompt window flashes on screen with the messed up messages. No command prompt window on good messages.

What terminal software are you using? From the icon, it looks like mTelnet? With my latest updates in DDMsgReader, I am still unable to see the issues shown in your video. Are you sure you are running the latest DDMsgReader? In the help screen, it should show version 1.17 beta 33 (2017-02-20).

One odd thing I did notice with mTelnet (for me) is that it looks like the 80th column is cut off, whereas in SyncTerm it looks fine.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: PHOENYXC to Nightfox on Sat Mar 11 2017 04:11 pm

the

issues you're seeing. Please get the latest DDMsgReader from CVS and

see if

it fixes the issues:
http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-

bin/viewcvs.cgi/xtrn/DDMsgReader/DDMsgReader.js

On the latest version (1.90), click the "download" link - Your browser

will

probably display it in the browser instead, but you should be able to right-click the document on the browser and choose to save it.

wow that's annoying
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Re: DDMsgReader
By: Nightfox to PHOENYXC on Sat Mar 11 2017 05:03 pm

What terminal software are you using? From the icon, it looks like mTelnet? With my latest updates in DDMsgReader, I am still unable to see the issues shown in your video. Are you sure you are running the latest DDMsgReader? In the help screen, it should show version 1.17 beta 33 (2017-02-20).

One odd thing I did notice with mTelnet (for me) is that it looks like the 80th column is cut off, whereas in SyncTerm it looks fine.

I think the guy is saying he has the command prompt keep popping up.
is that related to your script or does he have another issue.

also , people say stuff about mtelnet having display problems but i still
cant get an example from ANYBODY. it's like some myth some people that use syncterm or netrunner SAY, but not really experienced first person.

here is a screenshot and you will see that it goes out to col 80 and it displays fine.

http://i.imgur.com/tj3xJZW.png
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On 2017 Mar 11 17:03:46, you wrote to PHOENYXC:

One odd thing I did notice with mTelnet (for me) is that it looks like
the 80th column is cut off, whereas in SyncTerm it looks fine.

that may be one of the differences between ANSI and ANSI-BBS terminal emulations... what terminal emulations are available in mtelnet?

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Re: DDMsgReader
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Mar 11 2017 09:52 pm

I think the guy is saying he has the command prompt keep popping up.
is that related to your script or does he have another issue.

Well yes, there's that (and I got that), but the display of the message is all messed up too. I was saying I am unable to reproduce either of those things.

also , people say stuff about mtelnet having display problems but i still cant get an example from ANYBODY. it's like some myth some people that use syncterm or netrunner SAY, but not really experienced first person.

here is a screenshot and you will see that it goes out to col 80 and it displays fine.

http://i.imgur.com/tj3xJZW.png

I was experiencing a display issue with mTelnet, but I think I figured that out. mTelnet allows resizing the terminal window, and it seems to adjust how it displays content. If the display is wider than 80, for instance, it doesn't seem to display 80-column content correctly. I think I had my mTelnet window sized to 79 columns, and it was not displaying anything past 79.

For instance, this is a window sized for 80 columns correctly displaying content:
http://i.imgur.com/PDjTOYa.png
And a window sized wider than 80 columns displaying the same screen: http://i.imgur.com/CwHPt7q.png

Nightfox

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Re: DDMsgReader
By: mark lewis to Nightfox on Sat Mar 11 2017 11:15 pm

One odd thing I did notice with mTelnet (for me) is that it looks
like the 80th column is cut off, whereas in SyncTerm it looks fine.

that may be one of the differences between ANSI and ANSI-BBS terminal emulations... what terminal emulations are available in mtelnet?

I found what the issue was.. I seemed to have my mTelnet window sized for 79 columns, and it was not displaying anything past 79 columns. When I sized it for 80, it was displaying everything correctly. It seems to allow ANSI-BBS. Other than that, I'm not sure, as I mainly use SyncTerm.

Nightfox

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Re: DDMsgReader
By: Nightfox to PHOENYXC on Sat Mar 11 2017 05:03 pm

One odd thing I did notice with mTelnet (for me) is that it looks like the 80th column is cut off, whereas in SyncTerm it looks fine.

I take that back.. I had my mTelnet window sized for 79 columns, so it wasn't displaying anything past that. When I sized my mTelnet window for 80, everything looked fine.

Nightfox

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Re: DDMsgReader
By: Nightfox to Mro on Sat Mar 11 2017 08:16 pm

For instance, this is a window sized for 80 columns correctly displaying content:
http://i.imgur.com/PDjTOYa.png
And a window sized wider than 80 columns displaying the same screen: http://i.imgur.com/CwHPt7q.png

okay now that is due to your console settings.

my console is a fixed size and font so it doesnt jumble like that and i cant resize it. you probably selected some funny size+setting for the defaults of your console apps and it's been like that since then.
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Posted a video to Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=hDWY2iQeS3o&feature=youtu.be. Showing the problem. At time index 00:04 is when command prompt window flashes on screen with the messed up messages. No command prompt window on good messages.

What terminal software are you using? From the icon, it looks like mTelnet? With my latest updates in DDMsgReader, I am still unable to see the issues shown in your video. Are you sure you are running the latest DDMsgReader? In the help screen, it should show version 1.17 beta 33 (2017-02-20).

One odd thing I did notice with mTelnet (for me) is that it looks like the 80th column is cut off, whereas in SyncTerm it looks fine.

Nightfox

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I am using Syncterm and NetRunner and the problem is the same in both telnet clients. Yes, I am using the lastest cvs release for DDMsgReader. Grabbed v1.90 from the cvs repository.

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Sun Mar 12 2017 00:33:45

I am using Syncterm and NetRunner and the problem is the same in both telnet clients. Yes, I am using the lastest cvs release for DDMsgReader. Grabbed v1.90 from the cvs repository.

You may also want to update:

exec/load/frame.js
exec/load/scrollbar.js

This may make a difference in your case. Maybe not.

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Re: DDMsgReader
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Mar 12 2017 12:03 am

For instance, this is a window sized for 80 columns correctly
displaying content:
http://i.imgur.com/PDjTOYa.png
And a window sized wider than 80 columns displaying the same screen:
http://i.imgur.com/CwHPt7q.png

okay now that is due to your console settings.

my console is a fixed size and font so it doesnt jumble like that and i cant resize it. you probably selected some funny size+setting for the defaults of your console apps and it's been like that since then.

Yeah, it has been a while since I used mTelnet. Overall I think it's decent though.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Sun Mar 12 2017 12:33 am

I am using Syncterm and NetRunner and the problem is the same in both telnet clients. Yes, I am using the lastest cvs release for DDMsgReader. Grabbed v1.90 from the cvs repository.

I see some weirdness with your message, similar to what you're seeing. I'll see if I can make a fix.

[0m

Looks like that could be an ANSI code that got inserted into the message that may be messing with the display of the message.. Although when I read it with Synchronet's stock reader, I don't see that. I'm not sure what's going on. I have been seeing ANSI codes inserted into some of the messages in Synchronet lately, which I hadn't been seeing before (unless someone purposefully posted an ANSI file).

Nightfox

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Sun
Mar 12 2017 00:33:45

I am using Syncterm and NetRunner and the problem is the same in both telnet clients. Yes, I am using the lastest cvs release for DDMsgReader. Grabbed v1.90 from the cvs repository.

You may also want to update:

exec/load/frame.js
exec/load/scrollbar.js

This may make a difference in your case. Maybe not.

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I grabbed the whole sbbs tarball

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Sun
Mar 12 2017 12:33 am

I am using Syncterm and NetRunner and the problem is the same in both telnet clients. Yes, I am using the lastest cvs release for DDMsgReader. Grabbed v1.90 from the cvs repository.

I see some weirdness with your message, similar to what you're seeing. I'll see if I can make a fix.

[0m

Looks like that could be an ANSI code that got inserted into the message that may be messing with the display of the message.. Although when I read it with Synchronet's stock reader, I don't see that. I'm not sure what's going on. I have been seeing ANSI codes inserted into some of the messages in Synchronet lately, which I hadn't been seeing before (unless someone purposefully posted an ANSI file).

Nightfox

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Using stock web theme to post messages here. When I use the stock message reader the messages show up fine. Thanks for helping me again.

--Phoenyx

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: echicken to Phoenyx on Sun Mar 12 2017 01:01 am

You may also want to update:

exec/load/frame.js
exec/load/scrollbar.js

This may make a difference in your case. Maybe not.

My reader doesn't use those unless it's displaying a message with ANSI content (i.e., if someone posted an ANSI file). I implemented my own scrolling in my reader before I knew about those JavaScript files. Then it seemed to me that certan ANSI codes were difficult to deal with, so I had my reader use scrollbar.js and frame.js for posts that contain ANSI.

The wierd thing is, lately I've noticed that some messages on Dove-Net seem to have ANSI codes in them when I would not expect them to. Phoenyx's last message to me, for instance, has some display problems in my reader, and it appears to have at least one ANSI code in it.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Nightfox to echicken on Sat Mar 11 2017 22:18:14

My reader doesn't use those unless it's displaying a message with ANSI content (i.e., if someone posted an ANSI file). I implemented my own scrolling in my reader before I knew about those JavaScript files. Then it

In any case, it seemed to me that the garble only appeared in his screenshots when the reader was also displaying a scrollbar. Whether that's your
scrolling routine or Frame + ScrollBar I couldn't say, but would be worth narrowing down. (Though I only glanced at it and may be entirely mistaken.)

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In any case, it seemed to me that the garble only appeared in his screenshots when the reader was also displaying a scrollbar. Whether that's your scrolling routine or Frame + ScrollBar I couldn't say, but would be worth narrowing down. (Though I only glanced at it and may be entirely mistaken.)

I've seen some messages like that on my BBS and it's not the scrollbar. There seem to be some messages with ANSI codes in them, and I think that's what's messing with the display of the message. It's only certain messages; most appear fine.

Nightfox

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In any case, it seemed to me that the garble only appeared in his screenshots when the reader was also displaying a scrollbar. Whether that's your scrolling routine or Frame + ScrollBar I couldn't say, but would be worth narrowing down. (Though I only glanced at it and may be entirely mistaken.)

I've seen some messages like that on my BBS and it's not the scrollbar. There seem to be some messages with ANSI codes in them, and I think that's what's messing with the display of the message. It's only certain messages; most appear fine.

Nightfox

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Why wouldn't the problem exist on more bbses instead of just of just a couple? Especially, if it is ansi code being injected into the message?

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On 2017 Mar 12 21:27:26, you wrote to Nightfox:

Why wouldn't the problem exist on more bbses instead of just of just a couple?

there's really not that many BBSes left, my friend...

Especially, if it is ansi code being injected into the message?

injected ANSI? in this day in time? highly doubtful... especially considering that most of today's botnet hackers don't have a clue what a traditional BBS is...

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On 2017 Mar 12 21:27:26, you wrote to Nightfox:

Why wouldn't the problem exist on more bbses instead of just of just a couple?

there's really not that many BBSes left, my friend...

Especially, if it is ansi code being injected into the message?

injected ANSI? in this day in time? highly doubtful... especially considering that most of today's botnet hackers don't have a clue what a traditional BBS is...

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I was not saying it was due bots or hackers.

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Sun Mar 12 2017 09:27 pm

Why wouldn't the problem exist on more bbses instead of just of just a couple? Especially, if it is ansi code being injected into the message?

I'm not sure. And now, the past few messages I've seen with the issues you're describing have all been messages you posted. I've been using my reader for over 2 years and have only just recently started seeing this issue.

Nightfox

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Re: DDMsgReader
By: mark lewis to Phoenyx on Sun Mar 12 2017 10:10 pm

Especially, if it is ansi code being injected into the message?

injected ANSI? in this day in time? highly doubtful... especially considering that most of today's botnet hackers don't have a clue what a traditional BBS is...

I doubt it's hackers. I'm running a 3.17 build of Synchronet, and I'm wondering if something in its network message processing has changed recently, because I've never seen this before. I've been using my message reader for over 2 years and have only seen this happening in the past few weeks or so (since Phoenyx reported bad display of certain messages).

Nightfox

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Sun Mar 12 2017 01:26 am

Using stock web theme to post messages here. When I use the stock message reader the messages show up fine. Thanks for helping me again.

I've made another update to DDMsgReader and committed it to CVS which should hopefully work better. Please try the latest version from CVS.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Sun
Mar 12 2017 01:26 am

Using stock web theme to post messages here. When I use the stock message reader the messages show up fine. Thanks for helping me again.

I've made another update to DDMsgReader and committed it to CVS which should hopefully work better. Please try the latest version from CVS.

Nightfox

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No, the display problem still persists

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Sun
Mar 12 2017 01:26 am

Using stock web theme to post messages here. When I use the stock message reader the messages show up fine. Thanks for helping me again.

I've made another update to DDMsgReader and committed it to CVS which should hopefully work better. Please try the latest version from CVS.

Nightfox

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I posted another video. Here is the link https://youtu.be/cKovVktnEnw

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In any case, it seemed to me that the garble only appeared in his screenshots when the reader was also displaying a scrollbar. Whether that's your scrolling routine or Frame + ScrollBar I couldn't say, but would be worth narrowing down. (Though I only glanced at it and may be entirely mistaken.)

While doing some debugging earlier, I saw that my reader was using frame.js & scrollbar.js since it detected ANSI codes in the message, which was when it had the garbled appearance.

Nightfox

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No, the display problem still persists

*sigh* It was fixed for the messages on my BBS that were garbled before.. But maybe there are other cases where it happens. I'll have to see if I can tweak it further.

Nightfox

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On 3/12/2017 11:24 PM, Phoenyx -> Nightfox wrote:

â–  Synchronet â–  Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com

No, the display problem still persists

I'm also only seeing this on messages you're quoting or writing. Let's check a couple settings then..

What do you have for SCFG > Networks > QWK Packet Networks > Network Hubs > VERT > Exported CTRL-A codes?

What do you have set for SCFG > Message Areas > Dovenet > Message Sub-boards > Synchronet Discussion (or any other Dovenet message area) > Network Options > Export ASCII Only?

After that, you may want to check for some settings on Vertrauen itself in regards to these settings. However, if you didn't change anything you were unsure of on Vertrauen yourself, there should be no issues there.

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On 3/12/2017 11:24 PM, Phoenyx -> Nightfox wrote:

â–  Synchronet â–  Digital Distortion:

digitaldistortionbbs.com

No, the display problem still persists

I'm also only seeing this on messages you're quoting or writing. Let's check a couple settings then..

What do you have for SCFG > Networks > QWK Packet Networks > Network Hubs > VERT > Exported CTRL-A codes?

What do you have set for SCFG > Message Areas > Dovenet > Message Sub-boards

Synchronet Discussion (or any other Dovenet message area) > Network

Options > Export ASCII Only?

After that, you may want to check for some settings on Vertrauen itself in regards to these settings. However, if you didn't change anything you were unsure of on Vertrauen yourself, there should be no issues there.

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In SCFG>Networks> CTRL-A codes are set to leave in

On Vert: CTRL-A Codes were set to expand to ansi. Changed to leave in


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In SCFG>Networks> CTRL-A codes are set to leave in

On Vert: CTRL-A Codes were set to expand to ansi. Changed to leave in

I have a feeling that's likely causing the display issues. I'm curious if that will improve the situation.
Perhaps I should include that in my DDMsgReader documentation.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Mon Mar 13 2017 12:29 am

[1m[34mRe[0m[34m: [1m[36mRe: DDMsgReader
[34mBy[0m[34m: [1m[36mPhoenyx [34mto [36mNightfox [34mon
[36mSun Mar 12 2017 01:26 am[0m

Using stock web theme to post messages here. When I use the stock message reader the messages show up fine. Thanks for helping me again.

I've made another update to DDMsgReader and committed it to CVS which should hopefully work better. Please try the latest version from CVS.

Nightfox
[0m

I posted another video. Here is the link https://youtu.be/cKovVktnEnw

maybe nightfox can remote desktop you with teamviewer or something?
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In SCFG>Networks> CTRL-A codes are set to leave in

On Vert: CTRL-A Codes were set to expand to ansi. Changed to leave in

I have a feeling that's likely causing the display issues. I'm curious if that will improve the situation.
Perhaps I should include that in my DDMsgReader documentation.

Nightfox

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I changed the settings and the problem is still there.
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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Mon Mar 13 2017 12:29 am

[1m[34mRe[0m[34m: [1m[36mRe: DDMsgReader
[34mBy[0m[34m: [1m[36mPhoenyx [34mto [36mNightfox [34mon
[36mSun Mar 12 2017 01:26 am[0m

Using stock web theme to post messages here. When I use the stock message reader the messages show up fine. Thanks for helping me again.

I've made another update to DDMsgReader and committed it to CVS which should hopefully work better. Please try the latest version from CVS.

Nightfox
[0m

I posted another video. Here is the link https://youtu.be/cKovVktnEnw

maybe nightfox can remote desktop you with teamviewer or something?
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I changed the settings and the problem is still there.

Seems like that would make sense for existing messages, but I'm curious if any new messages will have the issue.

Nightfox

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On 3/13/2017 4:14 PM, Phoenyx -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

On Vert: CTRL-A Codes were set to expand to ansi. Changed to leave in

You probably don't want anything to expand to ANSI. So that was a good choice to switch that.

You could also tinker with changing those to "strip" as well.

You didn't answer my second question, though.. as far as what your message sub-boards were set to.

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On 3/13/2017 6:31 PM, Phoenyx -> Nightfox wrote:

I changed the settings and the problem is still there.

I don't think so. Nothing in this message you just posted contains ansi codes.

Previous messages that you were sent from VERT before you made the change will still be messed up. Only new messages you receive from after you changed the setting will be fixed.

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Mon Mar 13 2017 07:31 pm

On Vert: CTRL-A Codes were set to expand to ansi. Changed to leave
in

I changed the settings and the problem is still there.

I didn't see any odd display behavior in this message from you (as opposed to your last few, where I saw the odd behavior), so I suspect changing the "expand to ANSI" to "leave in" may have fixed the issue.

Nightfox

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Should I change the settings to strip?
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Should I change the settings to strip?

I don't think so. 'Leave In' should be fine. Why do you ask?

Nightfox

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I was just wondering if I should it. That's all
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Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Wed Mar 15 2017 02:23 pm

I was just wondering if I should it. That's all

I hope someone else is understanding these cryptic messages, they're going over my head :-)

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Re: Re: DDMsgReader
By: Phoenyx to Nightfox on Sun Mar 12 2017 09:27 pm

The message from phoenix above garbled on my system as described.

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Hello all.
In my updating and transitioning, I was trying to update DDMsgReader to the latest version, but I'm running into it requiring userdefs.js, which I cannot seem to determine the source of. I've been scouring the CVS, other SBBS installs, and all the Digital Distortion downloads I have to no avail. Anyone able to point me in the correct direction?
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Underminer wrote:

Hello all.
In my updating and transitioning, I was trying to update DDMsgReader to the latest version, but I'm running into it requiring userdefs.js, which I cannot seem to determine the source of. I've been scouring the CVS, other SBBS installs, and all the Digital Distortion downloads I have to no avail. Anyone able to point me in the correct direction?

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userdefs.js should be in /sbbs/exec/load/userdefs.js or similar path
if using Windows or a different root directory. I know Nightfox just committed an update recently so maybe try an earlier version.

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Re: DDMsgReader
By: Underminer to All on Tue Jul 14 2020 15:37:48

In my updating and transitioning, I was trying to update DDMsgReader to the latest version, but I'm running into it requiring userdefs.js, which I

Disregard. I discovered I missed updating exec/load in a cvs pull.
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Hello Nightfox,

I have a question about DDMsgReader. I don't think it is currently possible but if it was I would like to make the reader available to users who want to use it.

I don't have it installed currently because I prefer the built in message reader so users on the BBS don't have the option available. If it possible somehow to make the option available per user instead of a global setup?

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Al wrote:

Hello Nightfox,

I have a question about DDMsgReader. I don't think it is currently possible but if it was I would like to make the reader available to users who want to use it.

I don't have it installed currently because I prefer the built in message reader so users on the BBS don't have the option available. If it possible somehow to make the option available per user instead of a global setup?

I'm not sure but you could create a wrapper in mods and use a user flag to determine if they use the built in or DDMsgReader. Then you'd just need a toggle option somewhere.

That way you could set up any number of message readers or configurations.

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Re: DDMsgReader
By: Al to Nightfox on Fri Jan 29 2021 04:06 pm

I have a question about DDMsgReader. I don't think it is currently possible but if it was I would like to make the reader available to users who want to use it.

I don't have it installed currently because I prefer the built in message reader so users on the BBS don't have the option available. If it possible somehow to make the option available per user instead of a global setup?

That should be doable now. For now, a sort of solution might be that if you know which users want to use the stock reader vs. DDMsgReader, you could update your command shell to check for specific usernames who want DDMsgReader and have it run DDMsgReader for those users.

I could probably make something that users can run to configure a setting so that DDMsgReader can either use itself or the stock reader.

One thing that might complicate it a bit is that Digital Man has made a similar message reader, so you might also want to offer an option to use that, DDMsgReader, or the stock reader..

Nightfox

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Howdy,

I've been using DDMsgReader for about a month now - I thought I'd check out why it seems to be so popular. Nice work :)

I've had a few issues along the way, nothing that I can reliably reproduce, so I havent reported anything yet - but when I can I'll let you know.

The two main things I've had are, a random Javascript issue (for a variable being undefined), and when I reply to a message (I think it happens during a scan all to me, and replying to some messages), I sometimes see the same (set of) messages multiple times, as if they were duplicate posts, but its definately the same message(s) displayed more than once when navigating through the list.

Anyway, there are two things I miss, that not sure if it is implemented, or if they is a way of doing it:

* "T" list the next 10 messages, and advance the read pointer.
* "*" list the thread history, so you can jump to a particular message in the past

Any of these possible?


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Re: DDMsgReader
By: deon to Nightfox on Sat Jan 31 2026 09:50 am

I've been using DDMsgReader for about a month now - I thought I'd check out why it seems to be so popular. Nice work :)

Thanks. :)

The two main things I've had are, a random Javascript issue (for a variable being undefined), and when I reply to a message (I think it happens during a scan all to me, and replying to some messages), I sometimes see the same (set of) messages multiple times, as if they were duplicate posts, but its definately the same message(s) displayed more than once when navigating through the list.

When you say "Javascript issue", do you mean it's aborting with a JavaScript error? If so, it would be helpful to share the error you're seeing.

I have seen instances where the same message shows up multiple times in a newscan for messages to me. It doesn't happen every time for me, but I've been wanting to debug that to find a fix.

Anyway, there are two things I miss, that not sure if it is implemented, or if they is a way of doing it:

* "T" list the next 10 messages, and advance the read pointer. * "*" list the thread history, so you can jump to a particular message in the past

Any of these possible?

There isn't a feature to list the next 10 messages, but when you're reading a message, you can press M to show the message list, which lists all messages. I'm unsure how it would work to only list the next 10 (and would you then want to choose one to read?) - But I'm wondering if that would be worthwhile when it already lists all messages in the sub-board you're reading.

Also, there currently isn't a feature to list the thread history, but that's something I've considered adding (just haven't looked into doing it).

Nightfox

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Re: DDMsgReader
By: Nightfox to deon on Fri Jan 30 2026 03:53 pm

Howdy,

When you say "Javascript issue", do you mean it's aborting with a JavaScript error? If so, it would be helpful to share the error you're seeing.

Sure, when I can reliably remember what I did to trigger it I will...

There isn't a feature to list the next 10 messages, but when you're reading a message, you can press M to show the message list, which lists all messages. I'm unsure how it would work to only list the next 10 (and would you then want to choose one to read?) - But I'm wondering if that would be worthwhile when it already lists all messages in the sub-board you're reading.

This "10 messages" part wasnt important - it was the ability to skip through messages, but at the same time see what they were about in case there was something in there that was worth going back to. The "M" does a better job :)


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Re: DDMsgReader
By: deon to Nightfox on Sat Jan 31 2026 01:21 pm

When you say "Javascript issue", do you mean it's aborting with a JavaScript error? If so, it would be helpful to share the error you're seeing.

Sure, when I can reliably remember what I did to trigger it I will...

It might still be there in your data/error.log (or other log) file.
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Re: DDMsgReader
By: Digital Man to deon on Fri Jan 30 2026 07:26 pm

Howdy,

It might still be there in your data/error.log (or other log) file.
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It is:

Fri Jan 30 09:46:10 2026 master/b7d3db6c3 alterant.bbs.dege.au
term Node 1 <deon> !JavaScript ../xtrn/DDMsgReader/DDMsgReader.js line 23810: TypeError: this.msgAreaList_lastImportedMsg_showImportTime is undefined

And looking at the logs I've triggered it a couple of times

But I dont recall what I was doing that triggered it...


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Re: DDMsgReader
By: deon to Nightfox on Sat Jan 31 2026 07:31 pm

Fri Jan 30 09:46:10 2026 master/b7d3db6c3 alterant.bbs.dege.au
term Node 1 <deon> !JavaScript ../xtrn/DDMsgReader/DDMsgReader.js line term Node 1 <deon> 23810:
TypeError: this.msgAreaList_lastImportedMsg_showImportTime is undefined

I've pushed an update to DDMsgReader that should fix this issue and made a merge request for the Synchronet Git repository - so look for when it's updated and you can pull it then.

Thanks for reporting this issue.

Nightfox

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