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Good Deal! Very Informative! I had no idea you can send a 0-message
packet! That'd be so cool! Create a bunch of 0-message packets, then
watch as the message tosser just zap's them away without exporting any messages!

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man:

More links, moved timeline

Good Deal! Very Informative! I had no idea you can send a 0-message packet!

that's all a poll is is an empty packet with the proper necessary header information...

That'd be so cool! Create a bunch of 0-message packets, then watch as
the message tosser just zap's them away without exporting any
messages!

dynamic mailers that read the PKTs for netmail may zap them before the tosser even sees them since they are just empty poll packets... frontdoor does if it finds them... then again, they may not even be actually sent by a properly designed mailer since their only purpose is to trigger a poll...

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Tim,

Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:support by digital man:
Don't be a douche bag

It's going to take a lot of pages to explain in wiki format "How to not be a K>douchebag" with varying degrees of success depending on the douchebag reading K>it.

It sounds like he needed a basic course of IP addresses first. I knew
a (now former) Sysop who had NO CLUE what the AUTOEXEC and CONFIG files
were on the system -- really??!! What are they doing running a BBS??!!

Daryl

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Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page c
By: Daryl Stout to KK4QBN on Sun Dec 10 2017 18:36:00

It's going to take a lot of pages to explain in wiki format "How to
not be a douchebag" with varying degrees of success depending on the
douchebag reading it.

It sounds like he needed a basic course of IP addresses first. I knew
a (now former) Sysop who had NO CLUE what the AUTOEXEC and CONFIG files were on the system -- really??!! What are they doing running a BBS??!!

oh wow.. and that right there is why i don't really like the idea of autoconfig scripts, etc.. if someone needs a script to do all the BBS instal/setup/configuration, then how in the crap will they actually be able to run the BBS. I can understand having one for a sysop who is already setup and would just like to hav eit to roll the bbs back out incase something happens. but I've seen and committed some doozies in my lifetime of sysoping.. I really have done some stupid crap from time to time because I really hate reading documentation, etc. so I find myself usually skimming through it. after a while most everything with SBBS can be setup without worrying about docs.. but theres times when stuff comes up and bites me.. and make me look fairly stupid because usally it is the trivial stuff that gets me.

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Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page c
By: KK4QBN to Daryl Stout on Sun Dec 10 2017 10:29 pm

oh wow.. and that right there is why i don't really like the idea of autoconfig scripts, etc.. if someone needs a script to do all the BBS instal/setup/configuration, then how in the crap will they actually be able to run the BBS. I can understand having one for a sysop who is already setup and would just like to hav eit to roll the bbs back out incase something happens. but I've seen and committed some doozies in my

Well sometimes I think people using the software for the first time might not know the best initial settings. A script to get it set up would set some reasonable defaults that the sysop could then tweak according to their needs. I don't always like the idea of requiring everyone to basically re-invent the wheel as far as doing all the initial setup work themselves. It's good to know how it works though, for sure.

Nightfox

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Tim,

It sounds like he needed a basic course of IP addresses first. I knew
a (now former) Sysop who had NO CLUE what the AUTOEXEC and CONFIG files were on the system -- really??!! What are they doing running a BBS??!!

oh wow.. and that right there is why i don't really like the idea of autoconf K>scripts, etc.. if someone needs a script to do all the BBS K>instal/setup/configuration, then how in the crap will they actually be able t K>run the BBS. I can understand having one for a sysop who is already setup an K>would just like to hav eit to roll the bbs back out incase something happens. K>but I've seen and committed some doozies in my lifetime of sysoping.. I reall K>have done some stupid crap from time to time because I really hate reading K>documentation, etc. so I find myself usually skimming through it. after a whi K>most everything with SBBS can be setup without worrying about docs.. but ther K>times when stuff comes up and bites me.. and make me look fairly stupid becau K>usally it is the trivial stuff that gets me.

Real Sysops read the docs...or at least skim them...a nice way of
saying RTFM. :P

Many authors hate writing the docs as much as we hate reading
it...but, they also have to cater to "the lowest common denominator"
(LCD), as not everyone is as computer savvy as they are.

Yet, I've done a few "boners" with the setup...when shown my error, I
felt so stupid!! :P

Daryl

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Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page c
By: Daryl Stout to KK4QBN on Mon Dec 11 2017 12:20 pm

Many authors hate writing the docs as much as we hate reading
it...but, they also have to cater to "the lowest common denominator" (LCD), as not everyone is as computer savvy as they are.

I don't always hate reading documentation.. In many ways, that's only way to learn how to use something, and in that sense, that's why I actually like documentation. It can actually be useful..

Yet, I've done a few "boners" with the setup...when shown my error, I

TMI?

Nightfox

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Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page c
By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Mon Dec 11 2017 09:52:55

Well sometimes I think people using the software for the first time might not know the best initial settings. A script to get it set up would set some reasonable defaults that the sysop could then tweak according to their needs. I don't always like the idea of requiring everyone to basically re-invent the wheel as far as doing all the initial setup work themselves. It's good to know how it works though, for sure.

Yeah,, I guess I can agree with both points of view, just saying.. In MY experiences, If I did'nt have that initial setup to go through, I would have never learned anything of the BBS.. but I still have a lot to learn, and I've been a die hard sbbs fan for over 17 years now.. (cannot believe it's been that long) but my abstract, obtuse, and acute way around some things are much different than others would do it, so to each their own :)

whatever works good for the next person makes me happy.. Im just afraid one day we will have more sysops than users and most of these syops will have more questions than the users do. most of the users that frequent my BBS are much snarter than I am when it comes to some things, I have them beat on others, :-)

Nostalgia, and Ham Radio is starting to make the BBS a popular thing again, I keep more dedicated users now than I did back in 2003.

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Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page c
By: Daryl Stout to KK4QBN on Mon Dec 11 2017 12:20:00

Real Sysops read the docs...or at least skim them...a nice way of
saying RTFM. :P

Exactly.. thats why it kinda ticked me off a bit when another sysop suggested you READ THE DOCS when it came to Falcons Honor, maybe it was just a mixupm but from what I got from the question is you were wondering why all the other Patel/Dalton games were InterBBS and Falcons Honor was'nt.. guess it's just one of those things,


If ANYONE in dovenet is going to read DOCS, I KNOW 1005 it will be you. maybe the whole thread was just a cluster fork misunderstanding.

Yet, I've done a few "boners" with the setup...when shown my error, I
felt so stupid!! :P

It happens to the best of us Daryl, Especially when setting up 100+ doors over multi-platforms.

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Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page c
By: Nightfox to Daryl Stout on Mon Dec 11 2017 12:41:39

Yet, I've done a few "boners" with the setup...when shown my error,
I

TMI?

HAHA.. I was thinking the same but did'nt want to say anythign.. some of that documentation from pimpwars or something.. had pics of pixelated booblies..

always loved downloading some of that old rusty n'edy crap when I was about 11 and the gifs were so resolution you could see the pixelation. that is until I got my planet connect satellite when I became this regions fidonet and some othernet hub.

cant say I really "Made a living" off the BBS, but at age 13, having 20-30 subscribers paying 5-30 a month helped keep that satellite and ISDN lines paid.. think i'm the only teen in my county that had over 6 phone lines registered to my name

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Sure... like my QWK ID is TEQUILAM, yours is VERT. If I wanted to send netmail
to say Asscension, I don't have a clue what his QWK ID is so how would I >address it to him... Asscension@????.

Maybe I am misunderstanding but, when I make one of those BBS list entries,
if it asks for my "network address" I always put my QWK ID in there for my DoveNet address. So it would look sort of like

Fido: 1:2320/105 DoveNet: CAPCITY2 Micronet: 618:250/1 etc.

I would guess not everyone does that but it is one way to get it out there where folks can find it.

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Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page c
By: Dumas Walker to BILL MCGARRITY on Mon Dec 11 2017 06:17 pm

Sure... like my QWK ID is TEQUILAM, yours is VERT. If I wanted to send netmail
to say Asscension, I don't have a clue what his QWK ID is so how would I >address it to him... Asscension@????.

Maybe I am misunderstanding but, when I make one of those BBS list entries, if it asks for my "network address" I always put my QWK ID in there for my DoveNet address. So it would look sort of like

Fido: 1:2320/105 DoveNet: CAPCITY2 Micronet: 618:250/1 etc.

I would guess not everyone does that but it is one way to get it out there where folks can find it.

You're doing it as I inteded. :-)

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Dumas Walker wrote to BILL MCGARRITY on 12-11-17 18:17 <=-

Sure... like my QWK ID is TEQUILAM, yours is VERT. If I wanted to send

netmail

to say Asscension, I don't have a clue what his QWK ID is so how would I
address it to him... Asscension@????.

Maybe I am misunderstanding but, when I make one of those BBS list entries, if it asks for my "network address" I always put my QWK ID in there for my DoveNet address. So it would look sort of like

Fido: 1:2320/105 DoveNet: CAPCITY2 Micronet: 618:250/1 etc.

I would guess not everyone does that but it is one way to get it out
there where folks can find it.

As do I but when I installed the new 'list' the first entry didn't, therefore I thought (bad thing to do sometime) it wasn't as the old version was like where they showed it. After discussion with Rob, I went to my entry and sure enough, the addresses were there, both QWK-ID and FTN.


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Bill,

I've since sent DM apologies for jumping the gun.. :)

Never mind ambushing the pistol. :P

Daryl

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Hello Dumas,

On Mon Dec 11 2017 18:17:00, Dumas Walker wrote to BILL MCGARRITY:

Maybe I am misunderstanding but, when I make one of those BBS list entries, if it asks for my "network address" I always put my QWK ID in there for my DoveNet address. So it would look sort of like

Fido: 1:2320/105 DoveNet: CAPCITY2 Micronet: 618:250/1 etc.

I would guess not everyone does that but it is one way to get it out
there where folks can find it.

I didn't go about it that way, and never really realized it until it was pointed out. There's nothing specific to QWK on that BBS list, so I probably just didn't put it in there.

It's changed now though.

Regards,
Nick

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As do I but when I installed the new 'list' the first entry didn't, therefore I
thought (bad thing to do sometime) it wasn't as the old version was like where >they showed it. After discussion with Rob, I went to my entry and sure enough,
the addresses were there, both QWK-ID and FTN.

These computers can be tricky like that. :)

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Dumas Walker wrote to BILL MCGARRITY on 12-12-17 18:06 <=-

As do I but when I installed the new 'list' the first entry didn't, therefore

I

thought (bad thing to do sometime) it wasn't as the old version was like

here

they showed it. After discussion with Rob, I went to my entry and sure

enough,

the addresses were there, both QWK-ID and FTN.

These computers can be tricky like that. :)

Computer was just fine. My tolerence level to further explore was lacking.. lol!!


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Bill,

the addresses were there, both QWK-ID and FTN.

These computers can be tricky like that. :)

Computer was just fine. My tolerence level to further explore was lacking.. BM>lol!!

You're in good company. :P

Daryl

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These computers can be tricky like that. :)

Computer was just fine. My tolerence level to further explore was lacking.. lol!!

When it comes to the computer, my tolerance level for exploration seems to
have gone down in relation to my age going up. :)

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Dumas Walker wrote to BILL MCGARRITY on 12-14-17 18:39 <=-

These computers can be tricky like that. :)

Computer was just fine. My tolerence level to further explore was lacking.. lol!!

When it comes to the computer, my tolerance level for exploration seems
to have gone down in relation to my age going up. :)

Your preaching to the choir!! lol


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Mike,

When it comes to the computer, my tolerance level for exploration seems to DW>have gone down in relation to my age going up. :)

You're in good company. These days, I don't like new learning curves.

Daryl

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Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: module:avatars
By: wiki.synchro.net to All on Fri Jan 12 2018 20:24:12

Added Avatar Chooser (AVATCHOO) to external program menu and new user even

Sounds like a sneezy antivirus program.

But, it's SNOT. <G>

Daryl

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Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page c
By: Daryl Stout to ECHICKEN on Sat Jan 13 2018 12:23 pm

Sounds like a sneezy antivirus program.

But, it's SNOT. <G>

I wish my nose was running money, but it's snot.

Nightfox

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Rob,

:APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE:

Thank you for your validation. :-)

Instead of applause, you should've asked for them to throw money your
way instead...or click on the DONATE button on the SBBS website. <G>

Daryl

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Had a wiki fart today and posted hundreds page-move and restoration messages DM>deleted them, but many (all?) probably went out to FidoNet and USENET alread

I guess the brain fart has competition now. LOL

Daryl

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Rob,

digital man wrote to wiki.synchro.net <=-

Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/resource:doors by digital man:
[BBS Door Distribution Sites] Unfortunately, Doug Reah passed away, so bbsfiles.com is no more.

That explains why I couldn't get into the site. He had been battling
cancer for several years.

I was glad I registered several doors through him when I did...I'll have
to update the bulletin on the BBS for that.

Daryl

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On 02 Dec 2021, Daryl Stout said the following...

Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/resource:doors by digital man: [BBS Door Distribution Sites] Unfortunately, Doug Reah passed away, s bbsfiles.com is no more.

Wow, that is sad news.. May he rest in peace...

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I use it like *every day*, so not sure what're talking about there.

I just realized a few days ago that putting asterisks around a word or
phrase, as you did above, makes the text appear *BOLD*. Pretty neat! ;)


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Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page c
By: Dumas Walker to DIGITAL MAN on Wed Jan 31 2024 11:32 am

I use it like *every day*, so not sure what're talking about there.

I just realized a few days ago that putting asterisks around a word or phrase, as you did above, makes the text appear *BOLD*. Pretty neat! ;)

There's also #inverse text#, which I use less. https://wiki.synchro.net/ref:markup
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If you've never heard of Pre-packed QWK, then you're not using the feature and >your dial-up user won't know if it's removed. I believe this to be true of >every other Synchronet system too.

If someone needs it, they can replace it by writing a script that uses
ncftp. That is actually what I do for QWK users to send once-daily packets
via email.


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