• Syncterm

    From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to All on Wed Mar 8 15:05:42 2017
    Is anyone having trouble with Syncterm and Zmodem Uploads. It seems to be great on any system with SEXYZ, but any system with older Zmodem, or PDZmodem, I get timeouts, or just plain Failure. I had Syncterm ver .99, then I tried 1.0, now I am using 1.1b, all with the same issue. Syncterm is installed on Windows 7. I'm not having any issues with mTelnet, ZOC or RIPtel, or QModem Pro, so thats Why I am asking if there is a ZModem issue with Syncterm. I really enjoy Syncterm the best. Thanks In Advance.

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    --- Old farts never die! They just smell that way...
    þ Synchronet þ Valhalla Home Services þ USA þ http://valhalla.synchro.net
  • From Digital Man@VERT to DesotoFireflite on Wed Mar 8 13:45:49 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DesotoFireflite to All on Wed Mar 08 2017 03:05 pm

    Is anyone having trouble with Syncterm and Zmodem Uploads. It seems to be great on any system with SEXYZ, but any system with older Zmodem, or PDZmodem, I get timeouts, or just plain Failure. I had Syncterm ver .99, then I tried 1.0, now I am using 1.1b, all with the same issue. Syncterm is installed on Windows 7. I'm not having any issues with mTelnet, ZOC or RIPtel, or QModem Pro, so thats Why I am asking if there is a ZModem issue with Syncterm. I really enjoy Syncterm the best. Thanks In Advance.

    SyncTERM and SEXYZ share the same zmodem code, so it's not surprising that they're compatible. As for systems with "older Zmodem" or PDZmodem, can you provide an example of a system I can use for a test?

    SyncTERM and SEXYZ has been tested against several ZMODEM protocol drivers (e.g. [l]szrz, [F]DSZ, CE-XYZ), but perhaps there's protocol drivers that we're not compatible with and haven't been notified of. I don't currently have a Synchronet instance that can run 16-bit DOS programs (e.g. PDZmodem), so having a test system out there in the wild could be helpful.

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #58:
    XSDK = Synchronet External Program Software Development Kit for C/C++
    Norco, CA WX: 84.3øF, 21.0% humidity, 0 mph WNW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ telnet://vert.synchro.net
  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to DesotoFireflite on Wed Mar 8 16:04:40 2017
    Hello DesotoFireflite!

    08 Mar 17 15:05, you wrote to all:

    Is anyone having trouble with Syncterm and Zmodem Uploads. It seems to
    be great on any system with SEXYZ, but any system with older Zmodem,
    or PDZmodem, I get timeouts, or just plain Failure. I had Syncterm ver

    I'm running a dos BBS here (Ezycom) using pdzmodem on the ezycom side
    and have a few users who upload .REP packets almost every day. (I'm one
    of them in the summer from the trailer, and I use syncterm on the laptop)

    there is a ZModem issue with Syncterm. I really enjoy Syncterm the
    best. Thanks In Advance.

    I had to muck about with the settings on ezycom, but I was able ot make
    it work, the fault wasn't with syncterm but with the other end... I can't remember what I changed now, hoping someone with a better memory speaks up
    for you now.

    Shawn

    ... Common sense is instinct. Enough of it is genius.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160322
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - www.tinysbbs.com (723:1/2.3)
    þ Synchronet þ thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin)
  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Digital Man on Wed Mar 8 21:02:13 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Digital Man to DesotoFireflite on Wed Mar 08 2017 01:45 pm

    Is anyone having trouble with Syncterm and Zmodem Uploads. It seems to
    be great on any system with SEXYZ, but any system with older Zmodem,
    or PDZmodem, I get timeouts, or just plain Failure. I had Syncterm ver
    .99, then I tried 1.0, now I am using 1.1b, all with the same issue.
    Syncterm is installed on Windows 7. I'm not having any issues with
    mTelnet, ZOC or RIPtel, or QModem Pro, so thats Why I am asking if
    there is a ZModem issue with Syncterm. I really enjoy Syncterm the
    best. Thanks In Advance.

    SyncTERM and SEXYZ share the same zmodem code, so it's not surprising that they're compatible. As for systems with "older Zmodem" or PDZmodem, can you provide an example of a system I can use for a test?

    SyncTERM and SEXYZ has been tested against several ZMODEM protocol drivers (e.g. [l]szrz, [F]DSZ, CE-XYZ), but perhaps there's protocol drivers that we're not compatible with and haven't been notified of. I don't currently have a Synchronet instance that can run 16-bit DOS programs (e.g. PDZmodem), so having a test system out there in the wild could be helpful.


    Yes, you can use my GAP systemm at valhalla.synchro.net:24 or bbs.valhallabbs.com:24, or you can try the GAP support board at bbs.gapbbs.us:5023, these are 2 systems both of us are having issues with syncterm zmodem uploads. Yes, both are 16bit, but every other term program will upload fine. Rob, please don't think I am critizing Syncterm, as It's by far the best term program out there, so I'm not knocking it, I just want to be able to use it on mine and other 16bit bbs systems. Thanks for checking on this.

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    --- Old farts never die! They just smell that way...
    þ Synchronet þ Valhalla Home Services þ USA þ http://valhalla.synchro.net
  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Tiny on Wed Mar 8 21:08:11 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Tiny to DesotoFireflite on Wed Mar 08 2017 04:04 pm

    Is anyone having trouble with Syncterm and Zmodem Uploads. It seems
    to be great on any system with SEXYZ, but any system with older
    Zmodem, or PDZmodem, I get timeouts, or just plain Failure. I had
    Syncterm ver

    I'm running a dos BBS here (Ezycom) using pdzmodem on the ezycom side
    and have a few users who upload .REP packets almost every day. (I'm one
    of them in the summer from the trailer, and I use syncterm on the laptop)

    there is a ZModem issue with Syncterm. I really enjoy Syncterm the
    best. Thanks In Advance.

    I had to muck about with the settings on ezycom, but I was able ot make
    it work, the fault wasn't with syncterm but with the other end... I can't remember what I changed now, hoping someone with a better memory speaks up for you now.

    Oh I'm sure it is something we have to tweak, but we are running out of options. We even recompiled the main program, and that helped the internal zmodem a bit, and we even added PDZmodem as an external. Syncterm is the only term program giving us an issue. Unfortunatly, most people use Syncterm, and I don't want people to stop calling us because of a simple glitch. Hopfully we can figure it out. I'm sure it's a timing issue with zmodem, just have to find it. Hopefully Rob can shed some light on the problem.

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    --- SENILE.COM found...Out of Memory...
    þ Synchronet þ Valhalla Home Services þ USA þ http://valhalla.synchro.net
  • From Digital Man@VERT to DesotoFireflite on Wed Mar 8 23:52:27 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DesotoFireflite to Digital Man on Wed Mar 08 2017 09:02 pm

    Re: Syncterm
    By: Digital Man to DesotoFireflite on Wed Mar 08 2017 01:45 pm

    Is anyone having trouble with Syncterm and Zmodem Uploads. It seems to
    be great on any system with SEXYZ, but any system with older Zmodem,
    or PDZmodem, I get timeouts, or just plain Failure. I had Syncterm ver
    .99, then I tried 1.0, now I am using 1.1b, all with the same issue.
    Syncterm is installed on Windows 7. I'm not having any issues with
    mTelnet, ZOC or RIPtel, or QModem Pro, so thats Why I am asking if
    there is a ZModem issue with Syncterm. I really enjoy Syncterm the
    best. Thanks In Advance.

    SyncTERM and SEXYZ share the same zmodem code, so it's not surprising that they're compatible. As for systems with "older Zmodem" or PDZmodem, can you provide an example of a system I can use for a test?

    SyncTERM and SEXYZ has been tested against several ZMODEM protocol drivers (e.g. [l]szrz, [F]DSZ, CE-XYZ), but perhaps there's protocol drivers that we're not compatible with and haven't been notified of. I don't currently have a Synchronet instance that can run 16-bit DOS programs (e.g. PDZmodem), so having a test system out there in the wild could be helpful.


    Yes, you can use my GAP systemm at valhalla.synchro.net:24 or bbs.valhallabbs.com:24, or you can try the GAP support board at bbs.gapbbs.us:5023, these are 2 systems both of us are having issues with syncterm zmodem uploads. Yes, both are 16bit, but every other term program will upload fine. Rob, please don't think I am critizing Syncterm, as It's by far the best term program out there, so I'm not knocking it, I just want to be able to use it on mine and other 16bit bbs systems. Thanks for checking on this.

    I first connected with ZOC and confirmed that it appeared be able to upload to your GAP system using either the internal zmodem (at 6KB/sec) or using PDZmodem (at 300KB/sec).

    I then connected with SyncTERM and attempted to upload a file (using PDZmodem on the BBS end) and it got a but of ZRPOS errors and I aborted. I disconnected, enabled File Transfer Debug logging in SyncTERM, then reconnected and successfully uploads 2 files (sbbs316c.zip and sbup316c.zip) for a total of about 19MB (with no errors). After the second file, your BBS appeared to lock-up (stopped responding) while "Checking For File Integrity....".

    I tried disconnecting and then reconnecting and got booted for being on Node 1. I'll try again in a bit, but right now either the problem is intermittent (in which case, I wouldn't immediately point the finger at SyncTERM) or the File Transfer Debug-level logging in SyncTERM someone enabled it to work, which seems unlikely.

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #27:
    HTTP = Hypertext Transfer Protocol
    Norco, CA WX: 66.3øF, 38.0% humidity, 0 mph WNW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ telnet://vert.synchro.net
  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Digital Man on Thu Mar 9 07:42:14 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Digital Man to DesotoFireflite on Wed Mar 08 2017 11:52 pm

    Is anyone having trouble with Syncterm and Zmodem Uploads. It seems
    to be great on any system with SEXYZ, but any system with older
    Zmodem, or PDZmodem, I get timeouts, or just plain Failure. I had
    Syncterm ver .99, then I tried 1.0, now I am using 1.1b, all with
    the same issue. Syncterm is installed on Windows 7. I'm not having
    any issues with mTelnet, ZOC or RIPtel, or QModem Pro, so thats Why
    I am asking if there is a ZModem issue with Syncterm. I really
    enjoy Syncterm the best. Thanks In Advance.

    SyncTERM and SEXYZ share the same zmodem code, so it's not
    surprising that they're compatible. As for systems with "older
    Zmodem" or PDZmodem, can you provide an example of a system I can
    use for a test?
    SyncTERM and SEXYZ has been tested against several ZMODEM protocol
    drivers (e.g. [l]szrz, [F]DSZ, CE-XYZ), but perhaps there's
    protocol drivers that we're not compatible with and haven't been
    notified of. I don't currently have a Synchronet instance that can
    run 16-bit DOS programs (e.g. PDZmodem), so having a test system
    out there in the wild could be helpful.


    Yes, you can use my GAP systemm at valhalla.synchro.net:24 or
    bbs.valhallabbs.com:24, or you can try the GAP support board at
    bbs.gapbbs.us:5023, these are 2 systems both of us are having issues
    with syncterm zmodem uploads. Yes, both are 16bit, but every other
    term program will upload fine. Rob, please don't think I am critizing
    Syncterm, as It's by far the best term program out there, so I'm not
    knocking it, I just want to be able to use it on mine and other 16bit
    bbs systems. Thanks for checking on this.

    I first connected with ZOC and confirmed that it appeared be able to upload to your GAP system using either the internal zmodem (at 6KB/sec) or using PDZmodem (at 300KB/sec).

    Yes, sounds about right, as there is a timing issue with internal zmodem, which we are working on. The new compile helped, but still something slowing it down. but PDZmodem is the issue at the moment.

    I then connected with SyncTERM and attempted to upload a file (using PDZmodem on the BBS end) and it got a but of ZRPOS errors and I aborted. I disconnected, enabled File Transfer Debug logging in SyncTERM, then reconnected and successfully uploads 2 files (sbbs316c.zip and sbup316c.zip) for a total of about 19MB (with no errors). After the second file, your BBS appeared to lock-up (stopped responding) while "Checking For File Integrity....".

    I saw where you were on, and I saw the successful transfer. I also saw where the system locked up on the second transfer, as the UPCHECK.BAT file triggered an error on a NTDVM window, which I will look into. Sorry it locked up, but it did help me find an issue with a virus check, so there is a silver lining to all of this.

    I tried disconnecting and then reconnecting and got booted for being on Node 1. I'll try again in a bit, but right now either the problem is intermittent (in which case, I wouldn't immediately point the finger at SyncTERM) or the File Transfer Debug-level logging in SyncTERM someone enabled it to work, which seems unlikely.

    Same as SBBS, it won't let you log into 2 nodes at once, and since the batch file halted node 1, it would not recycle.

    That does seem unlikely why it would work on debug, but not the other way. At least you saw the errors on upload. It may be like another user said, may need tweaking on my end, but I have no Idea where to start looking. I just thought I'd start with a bug report with syncterm, since the uploads worked with all the other terminal programs I tried. It was a starting point. The fact that it did the same thing with all the versions of syncterm I tried, and that I saw a note on the web from way back from duece acknowledging there had been a problem with zmodem transfers in the past, I figure it was a good starting point. Let me know if you think of anything we might of missed, or discover anything. Thanks for all of your efforts on this issue.

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    --- Don't You Know, Can't You See, Don't You Understand!
    þ Synchronet þ Valhalla Home Services þ USA þ http://valhalla.synchro.net
  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to DesotoFireflite on Thu Mar 9 21:41:52 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DesotoFireflite to Tiny on Wed Mar 08 2017 09:08 pm


    Oh I'm sure it is something we have to tweak, but we are running out of options. We even recompiled the main program, and that helped the internal zmodem a bit, and we even added PDZmodem as an external. Syncterm is the only term program giving us an issue. Unfortunatly, most people use Syncterm, and I don't want people to stop calling us because of a simple glitch. Hopfully we can figure it out. I'm sure it's a timing issue with zmodem, just have to find it. Hopefully Rob can shed some light on the problem.


    try adding other fossil protocols. i prefer fdsz.
    you probably dont get that many downloaders anyways. perhaps
    put your files up on a ftp server or website?
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Mro on Fri Mar 10 07:40:44 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Mro to DesotoFireflite on Thu Mar 09 2017 09:41 pm

    Oh I'm sure it is something we have to tweak, but we are running out
    of options. We even recompiled the main program, and that helped the
    internal zmodem a bit, and we even added PDZmodem as an external.
    Syncterm is the only term program giving us an issue. Unfortunatly,
    most people use Syncterm, and I don't want people to stop calling us
    because of a simple glitch. Hopfully we can figure it out. I'm sure
    it's a timing issue with zmodem, just have to find it. Hopefully Rob
    can shed some light on the problem.


    try adding other fossil protocols. i prefer fdsz.
    you probably dont get that many downloaders anyways. perhaps
    put your files up on a ftp server or website?

    D/L's are fine, it's the U/L's that give the problem. I'm thinking about putting in others also to give users a choice, but I want to get the problem fixed first. I don't have enough traffic on either site to warrent putting up a seperate ftp or website for it. Hopefully, it's something simple. Thanks

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    --- Don't eat the yellow snow!
    þ Synchronet þ Valhalla Home Services þ USA þ http://valhalla.synchro.net
  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to DesotoFireflite on Fri Mar 10 12:54:43 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DesotoFireflite to Mro on Fri Mar 10 2017 07:40 am

    C.G.,

    Re: Syncterm
    By: Mro to DesotoFireflite on Thu Mar 09 2017 09:41 pm

    D/L's are fine, it's the U/L's that give the problem. I'm thinking about putting in others also to give users a choice, but I want to get the problem fixed first. I don't have enough traffic on either site to warrent putting up a seperate ftp or website for it. Hopefully, it's something simple. Thanks

    I've been tinkering with T.A.G. and noticed mTelnet Zmodem uploads/downloads work fine with that, but with SyncTerm, I get CRC error timeouts, resulting in incomplete transfers. I believe downloads work fine with SyncTerm's Zmodem download, but Zmodem uploads is where I get the problems. I've tried different Zmodem protocol packages. I'm hoping there will be a fix with SyncTerm. SyncTerm is far beyond the best telnet client out there and fixing the Zmodem protocol to work with non-Synchronet systems will make it even more great. :) ---

    Sincerely,
    Jon Justvig (1:298/25)
    Stepping Stone BBS
    Legion RPG HQ
    http://vintagebbsing.com:81
    telnet://vintagebbsing.com
    ssh://vintagebbsing.com
    trillian: cr1mson
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Stepping Stone BBS -- telnet://vintagebbsing.com:23
  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to DesotoFireflite on Fri Mar 10 20:16:05 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DesotoFireflite to Mro on Fri Mar 10 2017 07:40 am

    put your files up on a ftp server or website?

    D/L's are fine, it's the U/L's that give the problem. I'm thinking about putting in others also to give users a choice, but I want to get the problem fixed first. I don't have enough traffic on either site to warrent putting up a seperate ftp or website for it. Hopefully, it's something simple. Thanks


    i have a nice simple php upload script if you want it.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Jon Justvig on Fri Mar 10 20:17:05 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Jon Justvig to DesotoFireflite on Fri Mar 10 2017 12:54 pm

    I've been tinkering with T.A.G. and noticed mTelnet Zmodem uploads/downloads work fine with that, but with SyncTerm, I get CRC error timeouts, resulting in incomplete transfers. I believe downloads work fine with SyncTerm's Zmodem download, but Zmodem uploads is where I get the problems. I've tried


    it's been like this for years. some people have it, some dont.
    dont know why. dont think it's been looked at much.

    . SyncTerm is far beyond the best telnet client out there and

    you spelled mtelnet wrong
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to Mro on Fri Mar 10 23:35:40 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Mro to Jon Justvig on Fri Mar 10 2017 08:17 pm

    Mro,

    Re: Syncterm
    By: Jon Justvig to DesotoFireflite on Fri Mar 10 2017 12:54 pm

    it's been like this for years. some people have it, some dont.
    dont know why. dont think it's been looked at much.

    I wish I would have known about the Zmodem protocol problem with SyncTerm prior to the other day after reading a message from C.G. Learn about it. mTelnet does do a great job with the protocol. I'm so glad it wasn't a problem with CEXYZ that I'm using or any of the parameter settings I was using. The culprit was the actual terminal. I do hope it will be looked at and reviewed. I have my T.A.G. BBS on-line if anyone would like to try out the Zmodem upload and download protocols working and in action at vintagebbsing.com on port 28.

    . SyncTerm is far beyond the best telnet client out there and

    you spelled mtelnet wrong

    And you spelled SyncTerm wrong. haha.
    ---

    Sincerely,
    Jon Justvig (1:298/25)
    Stepping Stone BBS
    Legion RPG HQ
    http://vintagebbsing.com:81
    telnet://vintagebbsing.com
    ssh://vintagebbsing.com
    trillian: cr1mson
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Stepping Stone BBS -- telnet://vintagebbsing.com:23
  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Jon Justvig on Sat Mar 11 07:10:52 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Jon Justvig to DesotoFireflite on Fri Mar 10 2017 12:54 pm

    D/L's are fine, it's the U/L's that give the problem. I'm thinking
    about putting in others also to give users a choice, but I want to
    get the problem fixed first. I don't have enough traffic on either
    site to warrent putting up a seperate ftp or website for it.
    Hopefully, it's something simple. Thanks

    I've been tinkering with T.A.G. and noticed mTelnet Zmodem uploads/downloads work fine with that, but with SyncTerm, I get CRC error timeouts, resulting in incomplete transfers. I believe downloads work fine with SyncTerm's Zmodem download, but Zmodem uploads is where I get the problems. I've tried different Zmodem protocol packages. I'm hoping there will be a fix with SyncTerm. SyncTerm is far beyond the best telnet client out there and fixing the Zmodem protocol to work with non-Synchronet systems will make it even more great. :)

    Ok, thanks Jon, so it isn't just me. I know Rob is working on it, and I'm looking forward to the fix. I agree, Syncterm, is the best out there. I'm using ZOC at the moment till we can get a handle on the upload thing.

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    --- FART(n): An audio test of one's waste-disposal system.
    þ Synchronet þ Valhalla Home Services þ USA þ http://valhalla.synchro.net
  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Mro on Sat Mar 11 07:14:00 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Mro to DesotoFireflite on Fri Mar 10 2017 08:16 pm

    put your files up on a ftp server or website?

    D/L's are fine, it's the U/L's that give the problem. I'm thinking
    about putting in others also to give users a choice, but I want to get
    the problem fixed first. I don't have enough traffic on either site to
    warrent putting up a seperate ftp or website for it. Hopefully, it's
    something simple. Thanks


    i have a nice simple php upload script if you want it.

    Mro, I'm really showing my stupidity here, but I have no idea what a PHP script is or does. Will it help me, and how does it work. I'm gonna go try and google it. Yes, I want it if I can figure it out. Thanks

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    --- Don't You Know, Can't You See, Don't You Understand!
    þ Synchronet þ Valhalla Home Services þ USA þ http://valhalla.synchro.net
  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to DesotoFireflite on Sat Mar 11 16:13:21 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DesotoFireflite to Mro on Sat Mar 11 2017 07:14 am

    the problem fixed first. I don't have enough traffic on either site to
    warrent putting up a seperate ftp or website for it. Hopefully, it's
    something simple. Thanks


    i have a nice simple php upload script if you want it.

    Mro, I'm really showing my stupidity here, but I have no idea what a PHP script is or does. Will it help me, and how does it work. I'm gonna go try and google it. Yes, I want it if I can figure it out. Thanks


    it's a scripting language that is made for web applications mostly.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Mro on Sun Mar 12 07:06:41 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Mro to DesotoFireflite on Sat Mar 11 2017 04:13 pm

    Mro, I'm really showing my stupidity here, but I have no idea what a
    PHP script is or does. Will it help me, and how does it work. I'm
    gonna go try and google it. Yes, I want it if I can figure it out.
    Thanks


    it's a scripting language that is made for web applications mostly.

    If you still have my email, send it to me, or let me know where I can come grab it. Thanks

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    --- Don't eat the yellow snow!
    þ Synchronet þ Valhalla Home Services þ USA þ http://valhalla.synchro.net
  • From mark lewis@VERT to DesotoFireflite on Sun Mar 12 10:17:06 2017
    On 2017 Mar 12 07:06:40, you wrote to Mro:

    Mro, I'm really showing my stupidity here, but I have no idea what a
    PHP script is or does. Will it help me, and how does it work. I'm
    gonna go try and google it. Yes, I want it if I can figure it out.
    Thanks

    it's a scripting language that is made for web applications mostly.

    If you still have my email, send it to me, or let me know where I can
    come grab it. Thanks

    uncle google is your friend... this may not be something you want to grab with a ""quick"" download... it is 20+MB in size...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Can I blame my spelling on Line Noise?
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ telnet://vert.synchro.net
  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to DesotoFireflite on Sun Mar 12 10:11:39 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DesotoFireflite to Mro on Sun Mar 12 2017 07:06 am


    it's a scripting language that is made for web applications mostly.

    If you still have my email, send it to me, or let me know where I can come grab it. Thanks


    do you have a webserver with php installed?
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to mark lewis on Sun Mar 12 15:14:33 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: mark lewis to DesotoFireflite on Sun Mar 12 2017 10:17 am

    uncle google is your friend... this may not be something you want to grab with a ""quick"" download... it is 20+MB in size...

    :) Got Ya, Thanks

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    --- Don't eat the yellow snow!
    þ Synchronet þ Valhalla Home Services þ USA þ http://valhalla.synchro.net
  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Mro on Sun Mar 12 15:18:23 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Mro to DesotoFireflite on Sun Mar 12 2017 10:11 am

    it's a scripting language that is made for web applications
    mostly.

    If you still have my email, send it to me, or let me know where I can
    come grab it. Thanks


    do you have a webserver with php installed?

    Honestly, I don't know. I have a web server, but I don't know about the PHP. I'm using a modified version of the old runemaster, but I'll be upgrading to echickens version 4 soon. I guess I'll hold off till I do the upgrades, as I really don't understand this web stuff that much. Thanks

    << C.G. >>

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    --- Don't You Know, Can't You See, Don't You Understand!
    þ Synchronet þ Valhalla Home Services þ USA þ http://valhalla.synchro.net
  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to DesotoFireflite on Sun Mar 12 15:52:39 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DesotoFireflite to Jon Justvig on Sat Mar 11 2017 07:10 am

    C.G.,

    Re: Syncterm
    By: Jon Justvig to DesotoFireflite on Fri Mar 10 2017 12:54 pm

    Ok, thanks Jon, so it isn't just me. I know Rob is working on it, and I'm looking forward to the fix. I agree, Syncterm, is the best out there. I'm using ZOC at the moment till we can get a handle on the upload thing.

    Not a problem. If it's a problem for anyone, I'm sure there's a problem for some others out there. So Rob is working on it? I sure hope so. I'm excited to see the Zmodem protocol working with non-Synchronet systems. I have hopes. ---

    Sincerely,
    Jon Justvig (1:298/25)
    Stepping Stone BBS
    Legion RPG HQ
    http://vintagebbsing.com:81
    telnet://vintagebbsing.com
    ssh://vintagebbsing.com
    trillian: cr1mson
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Stepping Stone BBS -- telnet://vintagebbsing.com:23
  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to mark lewis on Sun Mar 12 19:02:46 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: mark lewis to DesotoFireflite on Sun Mar 12 2017 10:17 am

    If you still have my email, send it to me, or let me know where I can come grab it. Thanks

    uncle google is your friend... this may not be something you want to grab with a ""quick"" download... it is 20+MB in size...



    i was talking about the upload script i use. it's not that big.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to DesotoFireflite on Sun Mar 12 19:04:10 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DesotoFireflite to Mro on Sun Mar 12 2017 03:18 pm

    Honestly, I don't know. I have a web server, but I don't know about the PHP. I'm using a modified version of the old runemaster, but I'll be upgrading to echickens version 4 soon. I guess I'll hold off till I do the upgrades, as I really don't understand this web stuff that much. Thanks



    you could always run the syncweb on another port and get WAMP ... i suggest running apache,etc in linux. you could run a vm like i do.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From mark lewis@VERT to Mro on Sun Mar 12 19:54:36 2017
    On 2017 Mar 12 19:02:46, you wrote to me:

    If you still have my email, send it to me, or let me know where I
    can come grab it. Thanks

    uncle google is your friend... this may not be something you want to
    grab with a ""quick"" download... it is 20+MB in size...

    i was talking about the upload script i use. it's not that big.

    yeah but he's gotta have php working, first ;)

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... I don't like that rancid healthy whole wheat taste.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ telnet://vert.synchro.net
  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Mro on Mon Mar 13 07:37:32 2017
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Mro to DesotoFireflite on Sun Mar 12 2017 07:04 pm

    Honestly, I don't know. I have a web server, but I don't know about
    the PHP. I'm using a modified version of the old runemaster, but I'll
    be upgrading to echickens version 4 soon. I guess I'll hold off till I
    do the upgrades, as I really don't understand this web stuff that
    much. Thanks



    you could always run the syncweb on another port and get WAMP ... i suggest running apache,etc in linux. you could run a vm like i do.

    Sounds good. I'll catch up with you on your board or IRC, as soon as I get done with the project I'm doing now is over. Thanks

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    --- Don't You Know, Can't You See, Don't You Understand!
    þ Synchronet þ Valhalla Home Services þ USA þ http://valhalla.synchro.net
  • From Rick Smith@VERT to All on Mon May 18 18:45:01 2020
    Greetings,

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know of I thought I would
    ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I tried the alt-enter and it
    doesnt do anything, is there something I should have done specifically when building it?

    ---
    Regards,

    Rick // Nitro

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/05/17 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Abacus BBS! ---> bbs.abon.us:2323 (1:340/202)
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Kris Mccabe@VERT to Rick Smith on Mon May 18 22:07:39 2020
    Not especially, no. Alt-Enter always works for me. I havn't posted the deb of 1.1rc4 yet on Reign of Fire BBS, But I did post the amd 64 .deb of 1.1rc3 yesterday if you are using a debian flavor of some sort. Otherwise, compiling from source should work just fine and always has for me. Weird!




    .-: On Mon 18-May-2020 6:45p, Rick Smith@1:340/202.0 wrote :-.
    RS: Greetings,

    RS: I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am getting
    RS: SBBS
    RS: going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know of I thought I would RS: ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I tried the alt-enter and it RS: doesnt do anything, is there something I should have done specifically
    RS: when
    RS: building it?

    RS: ---
    RS: Regards,

    RS: Rick // Nitro

    RS: --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/05/17 (Windows/64)
    RS: * Origin: Abacus BBS! ---> bbs.abon.us:2323 (1:340/202)

    .|Oderus Urungus
    .|Planet Scumdogia
    .|Reign Of Fire BBS
    .|rof.cnetbbs.net:2300
    * C-Net/5
    * Origin: rof.cnetbbs.net:2300 * rof.cnet64.com:6400 (1:154/50)
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Digital Man@VERT to Rick Smith on Mon May 18 22:10:39 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Rick Smith to All on Mon May 18 2020 06:45 pm

    Greetings,

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know of I thought I would ask here..

    Here's where you should ask SyncTERM related questions: https://sourceforge.net/projects/syncterm/

    How can I make it go fullscreen? I tried the alt-enter and it
    doesnt do anything, is there something I should have done specifically when building it?

    Usually, it's Alt-ENTER. But I suppose it may depend on what output mode you're using.


    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #11:
    Nigel Tufnel: No. no. That's it, you've seen enough of that one.
    Norco, CA WX: 58.2øF, 81.0% humidity, 3 mph SE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From calcmandan@VERT/DIGDIST to Rick Smith on Tue May 19 05:45:00 2020
    Rick Smith wrote to All <=-

    Greetings,

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know of I thought
    I would ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I tried the
    alt-enter and it doesnt do anything, is there something I should have
    done specifically when building it?

    What do you mean by fullscreen?

    Daniel Traechin

    ... Visit me at gopher://gcpp.world
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to calcmandan on Tue May 19 08:30:05 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: calcmandan to Rick Smith on Tue May 19 2020 05:45 am

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am
    getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know
    of I thought I would ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I
    tried the alt-enter and it doesnt do anything, is there something I
    should have done specifically when building it?

    What do you mean by fullscreen?

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen (not just a maximized Windows program).

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Tue May 19 11:42:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am
    getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know
    of I thought I would ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I
    tried the alt-enter and it doesnt do anything, is there something I
    should have done specifically when building it?

    What do you mean by fullscreen?

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen
    mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen
    (not just a maximized Windows program).

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.



    ... It's a chain saw. I always carry one for emergencies.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Tue May 19 16:10:32 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: Nightfox to calcmandan on Tue May 19 2020 08:30 am

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am
    getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know
    of I thought I would ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I

    What do you mean by fullscreen?

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen (not just a maximized Windows program).

    Alt-Enter is a Windows feature. Not sure if Linux has it. It's not Alt-Enter. Maybe it one of the function key shortcuts built in but I've never had "full screen" on my lubuntu machine.

    HusTler
    havens.synchro.net:23

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Havens BBS havens.synchro.net
  • From Dennisk@VERT to HusTler on Wed May 20 11:40:36 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Tue May 19 2020 04:10 pm

    What do you mean by fullscreen?

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen (not just a maximized Windows program).

    Alt-Enter is a Windows feature. Not sure if Linux has it. It's not Alt-Enter.
    Maybe it one of the function key shortcuts built in but I've never had "full screen" on my lubuntu machine.

    HusTler
    havens.synchro.net:23

    Alt-Enter makes Syncterm fullscreen on my Linux boxes. Pretty sure it's a syncterm feature.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: Mind's Eye BBS - mindseye.ddns.net - Australia (3:633/416)
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to HusTler on Tue May 19 20:37:00 2020
    HusTler wrote to Nightfox <=-

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen (not just a maximized Windows program).

    Alt-Enter is a Windows feature.

    Ummm, no. Works on Linux too.

    Not sure if Linux has it.

    It does.

    It's not Alt-Enter. Maybe it one of the function key shortcuts
    built in but I've never had "full screen" on my lubuntu machine.

    Strange. I've always had it on my Slackware machine(s).


    ... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Tue May 19 19:41:28 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Tue May 19 2020 04:10 pm

    Alt-Enter is a Windows feature. Not sure if Linux has it. It's not Alt-Enter. Maybe it one of the function key shortcuts built in but I've never had "full screen" on my lubuntu machine.

    Gamgee said Alt-Enter does that for him in Linux..

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From paulie420@VERT/PAULIE42 to Gamgee on Tue May 19 17:41:43 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Tue May 19 2020 11:42 am

    Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
    What do you mean by fullscreen?

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen
    mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen
    (not just a maximized Windows program).

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.

    Yea but not always... I remember I built SyncTerm on LinuxMint once and had this issue... gosh, I got it working - AND THEN Alt+Enter worked after.. but I can't remember what button I pressed or knob I turned, ya know.

    |08Paulie|15420
    |15M|08@|15STERM|07i|15ND
    |14AmericanPiBBS|04.com|07

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ >>>American Pi BBS @ AmericanPiBBS.com:23>>>Rockin like its 1993!>>>
  • From calcmandan@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Wed May 20 04:56:00 2020
    Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am
    getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know
    of I thought I would ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I
    tried the alt-enter and it doesnt do anything, is there something I
    should have done specifically when building it?

    What do you mean by fullscreen?

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen
    mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen
    (not just a maximized Windows program).

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.

    I didn't know alt enter did that on linux. I use command line for 90% of my day and my terminal is almost always a full screen. You can setup the screen mode from the default 80x25 to something deeper, perhaps?

    I run it 80x50 to fully enjoy games like synchronet minesweeper.

    ... It's a chain saw. I always carry one for emergencies.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    = Synchronet = Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL

    ... Visit me at gopher://gcpp.world
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to paulie420 on Wed May 20 07:56:00 2020
    paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen
    mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen
    (not just a maximized Windows program).

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.

    Yea but not always... I remember I built SyncTerm on LinuxMint
    once and had this issue... gosh, I got it working - AND THEN
    Alt+Enter worked after.. but I can't remember what button I
    pressed or knob I turned, ya know.

    Okay... I don't think there's anything to remember about it,
    probably. I've never seen it *NOT* work. Possibly building it
    from source helps, and that's how I've always done it.



    ... It's a chain saw. I always carry one for emergencies.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to calcmandan on Wed May 20 07:59:00 2020
    calcmandan wrote to Gamgee <=-

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen
    mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen
    (not just a maximized Windows program).

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.

    I didn't know alt enter did that on linux. I use command line for
    90% of my day and my terminal is almost always a full screen. You
    can setup the screen mode from the default 80x25 to something
    deeper, perhaps?

    Probably could, yes. I leave mine at 80x25 because I like the
    "old way" look that it provides. :-)


    ... I sold my soul to the Devil. He gave it back.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Rick Smith@VERT to Nightfox on Wed May 20 05:55:08 2020
    //Hello Nightfox, //

    On *5/19/2020* At *19:41:28* you replied to a post in *SYNCHRONET*
    from *HusTler* About *"Re: Syncterm"*.

    've
    never had "full screen" on my lubuntu machine.

    Gamgee said Alt-Enter does that for him in Linux..

    Here is the funny thing, it didnt work on my umbuntu machine I installed exact same build on my debian machine and it works just fine..


    Regards ...
    Rick Smith

    --- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
    * Origin: Abacus Sysop Point..... bbs.abon.us:2323 (1:340/202.1)
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Kris Mccabe@VERT to Hustler on Wed May 20 09:37:47 2020
    H: Alt-Enter is a Windows feature. Not sure if Linux has it. It's not
    H: Alt-Enter. Maybe it one of the function key shortcuts built in but I've
    H: never had "full screen" on my lubuntu machine.

    H: HusTler
    H: havens.synchro.net:23

    H: ---
    I can confirm with 100% certainty that Alt-Enter does bring SyncTERM fullscreen in Linux.

    .|Oderus Urungus
    .|Planet Scumdogia
    .|Reign Of Fire BBS
    .|rof.cnetbbs.net:2300
    * C-Net/5
    * Origin: rof.cnetbbs.net:2300 * rof.cnet64.com:6400 (1:154/50)
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From mark lewis@VERT to Kris Mccabe on Wed May 20 11:08:57 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: Kris Mccabe to Hustler on Wed May 20 2020 09:37:47


    .|Oderus Urungus
    .|Planet Scumdogia
    .|Reign Of Fire BBS
    .|rof.cnetbbs.net:2300

    just so you know, you might want to change that vertical bar (aka pipe symbol) or at least put a space after it... it is being interpreted as valid pipe color codes on systems that do that sort of thing... as a result, the first letter of each line (after the pipe) is being lost...


    )\/(ark
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    * Origin: SouthEast Star Mail HUB - SESTAR (1:3634/12)
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Ragnarok@docksud.com.ar to Rick Smith on Wed May 20 13:20:44 2020
    El 18/5/20 a las 22:45, Rick Smith escribió:
    Greetings,

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know of I thought I would ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I tried the alt-enter and it doesnt do anything, is there something I should have done specifically when building it?

    I think that Deuce set X11 mode as default and i cannot switch to
    fullscreen also

    You can run in SDL mode:

    syncterm -iS

    then, you can use alt+enter to switch, and set the startup mode on
    Program Setting menu

    Saludos!
  • From Kris Mccabe@VERT to Mark Lewis on Wed May 20 21:05:40 2020
    ML: just so you know, you might want to change that vertical bar (aka pipe
    ML: symbol) or at least put a space after it... it is being interpreted as
    ML: valid pipe color codes on systems that do that sort of thing... as a
    ML: result, the first letter of each line (after the pipe) is being lost...


    ML: )\/(ark
    ML: --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    ML: * Origin: SouthEast Star Mail HUB - SESTAR (1:3634/12)

    Thanks for the tip!! I took care of it.

    .: Oderus Urungus :.
    .: Planet Scumdogia :.
    .: Reign Of Fire BBS :.
    .:rof.cnetbbs.net:2300:.
    * C-Net/5
    * Origin: rof.cnetbbs.net:2300 * rof.cnet64.com:6400 (1:154/50)
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From paulie420@VERT/PAULIE42 to Gamgee on Wed May 20 20:20:12 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: Gamgee to paulie420 on Wed May 20 2020 07:56 am

    paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.

    Okay... I don't think there's anything to remember about it,
    probably. I've never seen it *NOT* work. Possibly building it
    from source helps, and that's how I've always done it.

    Lol... listen I was on Mint or some starter distro... but I also built from source and on ONE of my installs as I was hopping around distros, the Alt+Enter thing didn't work...

    then, what i meant is... i can't remember what the oddity was in that build, but I did something that enabled or allowed the alt-enter to work. On that build...

    But I follow you and your logic is right. Just saying, that I had the issue once too... and while I couldn't give the OP the answer, I figured it out in the end.

    |08Paulie|15420
    |15M|08@|15STERM|07i|15ND
    |14AmericanPiBBS|04.com|07

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ >>>American Pi BBS @ AmericanPiBBS.com:23>>>Rockin like its 1993!>>>
  • From Gamgee@VERT to paulie420 on Thu May 21 07:45:00 2020
    paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.

    Okay... I don't think there's anything to remember about it,
    probably. I've never seen it *NOT* work. Possibly building it
    from source helps, and that's how I've always done it.

    Lol... listen I was on Mint or some starter distro... but I also
    built from source and on ONE of my installs as I was hopping
    around distros, the Alt+Enter thing didn't work...

    then, what i meant is... i can't remember what the oddity was in
    that build, but I did something that enabled or allowed the
    alt-enter to work. On that build...

    But I follow you and your logic is right. Just saying, that I had
    the issue once too... and while I couldn't give the OP the
    answer, I figured it out in the end.

    I saw a comment from someone else in this thread (can't remember
    who, now) - that gave a clue. I experimented some with my
    existing SyncTerm (version 1.1b BTW), and found this: It only
    seems to work when the video output mode (in Program Settings) is
    set to SDL. When I put mine into X11 mode, the Alt-Enter function
    no longer worked at all. Definitely works fine in SDL mode, which
    is what I normally run it in. Not sure of the technical reasons
    for this, but it's what I'm seeing here.



    ... Press any key to continue or any other key to quit
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (1:123/115)
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Tue Aug 11 05:45:55 2020
    Would it be possible to compile Syncterm for IPadOS? That would be so cool.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ..."Will we ever fear the ecstasy of free thought?" - Thinkman...
    ---
    ï¿­ Synchronet ï¿­ Vertrauen ï¿­ Home of Synchronet ï¿­ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 11 08:30:50 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Aug 11 2020 05:45 am

    Would it be possible to compile Syncterm for IPadOS? That would be so cool.

    I think it would take a lot more than just a recompile. There would have to be iOS-specific things added, at least.

    And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From ryan@VERT/MONTEREY to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 11:37:00 2020
    And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

    Actually I think iPadOS is its own thing now. But I haven't done any apple
    dev work so who knows.

    I do like BBSing on my iPad, for what it's worth...I've been using htmlterm
    on my BBS website to connect via wss. It works really well, I'm a big fan.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/06 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: monterey bbs
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to ryan on Tue Aug 11 12:32:10 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: ryan to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 2020 11:37 am

    And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

    Actually I think iPadOS is its own thing now. But I haven't done any apple dev work so who knows.

    Ah, I didn't know.. But I thought they were trying to consolidate things so they didn't have so many different operating systems/platforms to support.

    I do like BBSing on my iPad, for what it's worth...I've been using htmlterm on my BBS website to connect via wss. It works really well, I'm a big fan.

    I've done some BBSing on mobile devices, but I like having a real keyboard to type on. I suppose if you had a bluetooth keyboard for a tablet, that could work okay.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 13:19:59 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Aug 11 2020 05:45 am

    I think it would take a lot more than just a recompile. There would have to be iOS-specific things added, at least.

    And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

    Nightfox

    ---
    â–  Synchronet â–  Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com


    This was taken from my iPad:

    iPad 13.6
    Your software is up to date.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ..."Will we ever fear the ecstasy of free thought?" - Thinkman...
    ---
    ï¿­ Synchronet ï¿­ Vertrauen ï¿­ Home of Synchronet ï¿­ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 13:20:59 2020
    iPadOS 13.6
    $ The Millionaire $

    ..."Will we ever fear the ecstasy of free thought?" - Thinkman...
    ---
    ï¿­ Synchronet ï¿­ Vertrauen ï¿­ Home of Synchronet ï¿­ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to ryan on Tue Aug 11 13:23:24 2020
    Actually I think iPadOS is its own thing now. But I haven't done any apple dev work so who knows.

    I do like BBSing on my iPad, for what it's worth...I've been using htmlterm on my BBS website to connect via wss. It works really well, I'm a big fan.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/06 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: monterey bbs

    Here’s proof here:

    https://www.apple.com/ca/ipados/?afid=p238%7CsTd7xmhQy-dc_mtid_20925xgt40346_pc rid_454540443551_pgrid_105004444686&cid=wwa-ca-kwgo-ipad-slid---iPadOS-Evergree n

    $ The Millionaire $

    ..."Will we ever fear the ecstasy of free thought?" - Thinkman...
    ---
    ï¿­ Synchronet ï¿­ Vertrauen ï¿­ Home of Synchronet ï¿­ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Wed Aug 12 18:47:00 2020
    On 08-11-20 08:30, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

    The newer iPads do run iPadOS. There is such a thing.


    ... BBS addiction is a terminal disease.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (3:633/410)
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Wed Aug 12 08:49:52 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Wed Aug 12 2020 06:47 pm

    And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

    The newer iPads do run iPadOS. There is such a thing.

    I see. I didn't know.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 12 08:59:38 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 2020 01:20 pm

    iPadOS 13.6

    I see. I didn't know they were calling it iPadOS.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Aug 13 19:54:00 2020
    On 08-12-20 08:49, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    The newer iPads do run iPadOS. There is such a thing.

    I see. I didn't know.

    Yeah, only came out in the last year or so, IIRC.


    ... Bend the facts to fit the conclusion. It's easier that way.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (3:633/410)
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 14 14:53:46 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Aug 11 2020 05:45 am

    Would it be possible to compile Syncterm for IPadOS? That would be so cool.

    Are you going to pony up the $99 a year that Apple charges in order to get SyncTERM listed in the Apple store? Otherwise you'll only be able to side-load it on a jailbroken device.

    DaiTengu

    ... WWhhaatt ddooeess dduupplleexx mmeeaann??

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 14 13:24:33 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DaiTengu to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 14 2020 02:53 pm

    Are you going to pony up the $99 a year that Apple charges in order to get SyncTERM listed in the Apple store? Otherwise you'll only be able to side-load it on a jailbroken device.

    I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the $99 fee was a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Fri Aug 14 17:04:53 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 14 2020 01:24 pm

    I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the $99 fee was a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

    I think it's $99 per year to remain an active "apple developer" I don't think you can push updates to your app without it.

    DaiTengu

    ... A great deal of money is never enough once you have it.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Nightfox on Fri Aug 14 15:56:33 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 14 2020 01:24 pm

    I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the $99 fee was a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

    Somewhere in between. That's about what it costs to keep an active developer account with Apple.... That's right, kids, Apple charges the devs to develop for their platform. I mean, I guess technically Google does for the play store too, but last I checked that was only a $20 one time charge to register, and there's alternatives to the play store for android distribution.
    ---
    Underminer
    The Undermine BBS - bbs.undermine.ca:423
    Fidonet: 1:342/17
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ The Undermine - bbs.undermine.ca:423
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 14 16:09:34 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Fri Aug 14 2020 05:04 pm

    I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the
    $99 fee was a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to
    pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

    I think it's $99 per year to remain an active "apple developer" I don't think you can push updates to your app without it.

    I suppose $99 per year isn't too bad if you make a lot of apps and make money on them. But for someone who is a casual developer who wants to develop an iOS app at home as sort of a hobby, it could be a bit discouraging to have to pay $99 per year to have their app in the app store, especially if they want their app to be free and also ad-free.

    In the late 80s and early 90s, or around there, I remember some software development tools being quite expensive. Then, Borland came out with some very good software development tools for DOS PCs that were fairly inexpensive. I think Microsoft caught on, because Microsoft made their Visual Studio fairly inexpensive for a while if you just wanted an individual language like Visual C++ or Visual Basic. I think Microsoft realized if they wanted a good software base for Windows for people to use, they needed to make the barrier to entry for software development fairly easy, which meant inexpensive software development tools. I think that helped with allowing a large selection of software for Windows to become available, thus helping Windows become more popular.

    However, some might also argue that there is also a lot of 'junk' software out there, and software with ads, malware, etc.. I suppose it can help to have a middle ground somewhere to help ensure a selection of quality software.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Nightfox on Fri Aug 14 18:02:26 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 14 2020 04:09 pm

    However, some might also argue that there is also a lot of 'junk' software out there, and software with ads, malware, etc.. I suppose it can help to have a middle ground somewhere to help ensure a selection of quality software.
    Nightfox

    Hmm, if only someone came up with a system where development tools were freely available, but there was some kind of central repository of some sort to install software from that served as a level of validation to keep the crap out. And if only this mystical environment could not only exist, but have some kind of easy to use command line to install software directly from these repositories.... if only. ;D
    ---
    Underminer
    The Undermine BBS - bbs.undermine.ca:423
    Fidonet: 1:342/17
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ The Undermine - bbs.undermine.ca:423
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Underminer on Fri Aug 14 18:32:30 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Underminer to Nightfox on Fri Aug 14 2020 06:02 pm

    However, some might also argue that there is also a lot of 'junk'
    software out there, and software with ads, malware, etc.. I suppose
    it can help to have a middle ground somewhere to help ensure a
    selection of quality software.

    Hmm, if only someone came up with a system where development tools were freely available, but there was some kind of central repository of some sort to install software from that served as a level of validation to keep the crap out. And if only this mystical environment could not only exist, but have some kind of easy to use command line to install software directly from these repositories.... if only. ;D

    I suppose you're talking about Linux distros.. :P One thing I've found with that though, is that software in a distro's repository isn't always the most up to date. To get the latest version of something, sometimes you can add an additional source to your repository list and install it from there, but that's basically like going to a web site to download the software, so you're back at square 1.. I don't think the software repositories really make it a whole lot easier to install software, it's just a different source. I think it could be just as easy to look it up on the web, download a package from the web, and use a command (or GUI app if you prefer) to install the package. And if you already know the company or web site to get it from, then you can go right there. It's easy to go to the package manager and look it up there too - I just don't think a package manager makes it significantly easier, it's just a convenient place to look for software.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Nightfox on Fri Aug 14 23:04:10 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Nightfox to Underminer on Fri Aug 14 2020 06:32 pm

    I suppose you're talking about Linux distros.. :P One thing I've found with that though, is that software in a distro's repository isn't always the most up to date. To get the latest version of something, sometimes you the package manager and look it up there too - I just don't think a package manager makes it significantly easier, it's just a convenient place to look for software.

    If you're talking about any single piece of software, and only the installation of the same, then a repository might not be significantly easier/better. When it comes to managing dependencies, updates, a system as a whole, and not having to necessarily vet each installation source - a repo is orders of magnitude easier to deal with. And in terms of whether a repo is the most up to date version of something - that tends to mainly come down to whether you have a rolling or release based distro. If you have the first, repos are generally up to date, if you have the latter it's usually the case of it having whatever version has been validated to work with all the other library versions in that repo.

    Decently maintained repos absolutely do the things we were talking about needing ;)
    ---
    Underminer
    The Undermine BBS - bbs.undermine.ca:423
    Fidonet: 1:342/17
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ The Undermine - bbs.undermine.ca:423
  • From Utopian Galt@VERT/IUTOPIA to DaiTengu on Sat Aug 15 18:12:00 2020
    Are you going to pony up the $99 a year that Apple charges in order to get SyncTERM listed in the Apple store? Otherwise you'll only be able
    to side-load

    Yea, millionare should of bought a surface or a macbook air.
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Mon Aug 17 03:58:19 2020
    On 8/14/2020 1:24 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DaiTengu to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 14 2020 02:53 pm

    Da> Are you going to pony up the $99 a year that Apple charges in order to get
    Da> SyncTERM listed in the Apple store? Otherwise you'll only be able to
    Da> side-load it on a jailbroken device.

    I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the $99 fee was a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

    Yes... Keep thinking that websockets + wasm builds may be a good
    migration strategy for BBSes... would allow for multi-bbs hosting on a
    single IP as well as not needing an installed client.

    No idea how hard it would be to pull the rendering engine out of
    synchronet with a wasm build target for integrating into a websocket
    client though, it's been something on the back of my mind, and would
    probably be best with an lgpl adjustment to the license for the built webassebly.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - coming back 2/2/20
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Underminer on Mon Aug 17 04:05:09 2020
    On 8/14/2020 10:04 PM, Underminer wrote:

    Decently maintained repos absolutely do the things we were talking about needing ;)

    For end-user desktop software flatpak+flathub is a decent option for
    most things. Though there's also snap and appimage. Of course if you
    want auto-updates they still fall a little short depending on your setup.

    MS has introduced their own (winget) based on a prominent open-source
    one (AppGet), there's also chocolatey, which is what I've mostly used
    and stuck to.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - coming back 2/2/20