• ECWebV4

    From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to All on Mon Apr 17 19:00:57 2017
    Just upgraded to ecwebv4 today, and I must say, Nice Job. My hats off to echicken. I still have to tweak it to make it my own, but I like what I see so far.

    One question. Is there a way to make the htmlterm faster. It seems slow to react and a bit clunky. The one with flash was much faster, but had it's own problems. Some of the other sites that use htmlterm seem to have the same issue also, so is this just something I have to live with, or is there some tweaking I can co to make it smoother.

    Again, thanks for a great addition to synchronet.

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to DesotoFireflite on Tue Apr 18 10:03:10 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: DesotoFireflite to All on Mon Apr 17 2017 19:00:57

    One question. Is there a way to make the htmlterm faster. It seems slow to

    That's mostly out of my hands and I can't point you to any easy answer (like a setting to change or anything like that).

    react and a bit clunky. The one with flash was much faster, but had it's own problems. Some of the other sites that use htmlterm seem to have the same issue also, so is this just something I have to live with, or is there some tweaking I can co to make it smoother.

    The only thing I can suggest right now would be to try using Rick's hosted websocket proxies, on the chance that it might be faster than the one we have.

    http://embed.ftelnet.ca/wizard/

    Move your web/root/pages/000-home.xjs out of the way and replace it with a file containing only the embed code generated by the above site. Might help, might not.

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to echicken on Wed Apr 19 09:36:03 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: echicken to DesotoFireflite on Tue Apr 18 2017 10:03 am

    One question. Is there a way to make the htmlterm faster. It seems
    slow to

    That's mostly out of my hands and I can't point you to any easy answer (like a setting to change or anything like that).


    I found one thing that seemed to help, at least in my case. in the file 000-home.xjs, I added the following line.

    fTelnet.BitPerSecond = 115200

    It's not perfect, but it seems to help the lag a bit, and the redraw speed

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to DesotoFireflite on Wed Apr 19 11:52:39 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: DesotoFireflite to echicken on Wed Apr 19 2017 09:36:03

    I found one thing that seemed to help, at least in my case. in the file 000-home.xjs, I added the following line.

    fTelnet.BitPerSecond = 115200

    I have no idea what the default setting is for that. I'll try with and without it here at some point; if it makes a noticeable difference I'll add that line to the script.

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  • From Ke6yjc@VERT/TNETBBS to DesotoFireflite on Thu Apr 20 06:07:15 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: echicken to DesotoFireflite on Tue Apr 18 2017 10:03 am

    I found one thing that seemed to help, at least in my case. in the file 000-home.xjs, I added the following line.

    fTelnet.BitPerSecond = 115200

    It's not perfect, but it seems to help the lag a bit, and the redraw speed

    So I was curious about this too so I started looking into this. 1st the fTelnet.BitPerSecond, should be fTelnet.BitsPerSecond. I tried this and didn't really see a difference, so I thought I would tweak it and set it down to 2400... OMG what a blast from the past... it was SLOW........ haha. Hope it helps! Good luck.

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Ke6yjc on Thu Apr 20 15:11:40 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: Ke6yjc to DesotoFireflite on Thu Apr 20 2017 06:07 am

    fTelnet.BitPerSecond = 115200

    It's not perfect, but it seems to help the lag a bit, and the redraw
    speed

    So I was curious about this too so I started looking into this. 1st the fTelnet.BitPerSecond, should be fTelnet.BitsPerSecond. I tried this and didn't really see a difference, so I thought I would tweak it and set it down to 2400... OMG what a blast from the past... it was SLOW........ haha. Hope it helps! Good luck.

    Sorry, it was a typo on my part when I typed the message.

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to echicken on Thu Apr 20 19:18:24 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: echicken to DesotoFireflite on Wed Apr 19 2017 11:52 am

    I found one thing that seemed to help, at least in my case. in the
    file 000-home.xjs, I added the following line.

    fTelnet.BitPerSecond = 115200
    I have no idea what the default setting is for that. I'll try with and without it here at some point; if it makes a noticeable difference I'll add that line to the script.

    Ok, I played with it a bit more, and it seems 38400 is the best speed for htmlterm on my system. Still a little clunky, but best setting so far.

    I have one more question, Sorry :) I notice the web page loads much slower for me on my system than it does on your. I followed your instructions to a "T", and it works great, it just seems to be in slow motion, and maybe all this is tied in togeather. When I log in using my regestered name, it seems to take forever. One user told me it just sits there and does nothing when he tries to log in using his regestered name. It all may be a cache issue, but I wanted to run it by you first. Also, when you use it on a cell phone, mine is a Galaxey S7 samsung, it chops of the last 1/4 of the screen on the side. It does the same thing when I view it on your site with the cell phone. Any Ideas. Just did an update with SBBS also, and I see no difference. Using windows 7 pro. Hope you can shed some light on this for me. Thanks, as always.


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  • From Kirkman@VERT/GUARDIAN to DesotoFireflite on Fri Apr 21 11:37:16 2017
    I found one thing that seemed to help, at least in my case. in the file 000-home.xjs, I added the following line.

    fTelnet.BitPerSecond = 115200

    It's not perfect, but it seems to help the lag a bit, and the redraw speed

    Yeah, that setting make a huge difference. I came across it by accident a while back when I was trying to figure why my ANSI-intensive movie experiments were so slow through the web interface.

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to DesotoFireflite on Fri Apr 21 23:40:25 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: DesotoFireflite to echicken on Thu Apr 20 2017 19:18:24

    I have one more question, Sorry :) I notice the web page loads much slower for me on my system than it does on your. I followed your instructions to

    all this is tied in togeather. When I log in using my regestered name, it seems to take forever. One user told me it just sits there and does

    I've noticed it loading slowly on other people's systems, but I've never had that problem on my own. Thus far I've attributed it to slower machines / connections than I'm on.

    If you're saying that it's noticeably slower after you've authenticated vs. when you're browsing as guest, that may narrow it down a bit. Is this true of all pages, or the forum in particular?

    a cell phone, mine is a Galaxey S7 samsung, it chops of the last 1/4 of the screen on the side. It does the same thing when I view it on your site

    I'm guessing it's related to your sidebar being on the left-hand side (default is on the right) and that I didn't test it thoroughly on mobile when I added that as a config option. Will take a peek and see what I can do about it.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ke6yjc on Sat Apr 22 14:13:38 2017
    So I was curious about this too so I started looking into this. 1st the fTelnet.BitPerSecond, should be fTelnet.BitsPerSecond. I tried this and didn't really see a difference, so I thought I would tweak it and set it down to 2400... OMG what a blast from the past... it was SLOW........ haha. Hope it helps! Good luck.

    Rather than using a specific number, I wonder if it allows letting the connection go as fast as it can go rather than simulating a specific speed.

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to echicken on Sat Apr 22 17:56:45 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: echicken to DesotoFireflite on Fri Apr 21 2017 11:40 pm

    I've noticed it loading slowly on other people's systems, but I've never had that problem on my own. Thus far I've attributed it to slower machines / connections than I'm on.

    I'm running an older server, P4 with twin 993mhz Processors. I thought that may be the case, but it's slower in porportion to the other programs. I don't like to compare, as thats not fair, but it's slower than the stock runemaster, but to be fair, you have a lot going on behind the scenes with ecweb.

    If you're saying that it's noticeably slower after you've authenticated vs. when you're browsing as guest, that may narrow it down a bit. Is this true of all pages, or the forum in particular?

    No, guest is just as slow as authintacated. The only thing that really is bothering me is the time it takes to log in. The log in takes a very long time, and sometimes it does not even do anything but recycle back to guest, and
    thats with me. I have one user that it won't do anything but sit there. I will be able to tell you more after my next day off, where I can work on it some. The log in process is honestly the only thing that concerns me, the rest I will attribute to the older machine.

    a cell phone, mine is a Galaxey S7 samsung, it chops of the last 1/4
    of the screen on the side. It does the same thing when I view it on
    your site

    I'm guessing it's related to your sidebar being on the left-hand side (default is on the right) and that I didn't test it thoroughly on mobile when I added that as a config option. Will take a peek and see what I can do about it.

    It was on the right when I first noticed the phone issue, so I moved it to the left to see if it made a difference, but it was the same. I try to self diagnose before I send a message for help.

    Again, I love what you have done, and I look forward to useing it. I'm just trying to figure out the few little qwerks it has with my system :)

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Nightfox on Sat Apr 22 22:28:23 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: Nightfox to Ke6yjc on Sat Apr 22 2017 14:13:38

    Rather than using a specific number, I wonder if it allows letting the connection go as fast as it can go rather than simulating a specific speed.

    I had assumed this was the default behavior, and I'll be surprised if it's not.
    Will have to try and observe it at some point.

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to DesotoFireflite on Sat Apr 22 23:04:05 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: DesotoFireflite to echicken on Sat Apr 22 2017 17:56:45

    No, guest is just as slow as authintacated. The only thing that really is bothering me is the time it takes to log in. The log in takes a very long time, and sometimes it does not even do anything but recycle back to

    Nothing too special happens during the login process to make it all that different from anything else. I guess it's possible that it's taking a long time to look up user records, but I can't see it being that bad.

    All I can suggest right now is to monitor the web server's log output when someone is logging in, on the off chance that there's an error.

    You could also try appending the 'NO_HOST_LOOKUP' option to the Options setting in the [Web] section of sbbs.ini. I'm not optimistic about that making a difference, but there's a slim chance that slow or failed DNS lookups are impeding things.

    It was on the right when I first noticed the phone issue, so I moved it to the left to see if it made a difference, but it was the same. I try to

    I tried emulating that device (Galaxy S7) in my browser and couldn't reproduce what you described. I'll mess around with it some more, but it'll be hard to fix if I can't see the problem myself.

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to echicken on Sun Apr 23 15:38:19 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: echicken to DesotoFireflite on Sat Apr 22 2017 11:04 pm

    All I can suggest right now is to monitor the web server's log output when someone is logging in, on the off chance that there's an error.

    You could also try appending the 'NO_HOST_LOOKUP' option to the Options setting in the [Web] section of sbbs.ini. I'm not optimistic about that making a difference, but there's a slim chance that slow or failed DNS lookups are impeding things.

    I'll try that, and keep an eye on the log to see if I notice anything. Thanks

    I tried emulating that device (Galaxy S7) in my browser and couldn't reproduce what you described. I'll mess around with it some more, but it'll be hard to fix if I can't see the problem myself.

    I took screen shots on the phone, and I will upload them to your board for you to see. It may help isolate it. Thanks.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to DesotoFireflite on Tue Apr 25 00:29:43 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: DesotoFireflite to echicken on Sun Apr 23 2017 03:38 pm

    You could also try appending the 'NO_HOST_LOOKUP' option to the
    Options setting in the [Web] section of sbbs.ini. I'm not optimistic
    about that making a difference, but there's a slim chance that slow
    or failed DNS lookups are impeding things.

    I should have chimed in much earlier, but I had some speed issues I should'nt have had also while accessing via a mobile device, and that did the trick, I've pretty much killed looking up all hostnames on all services and it does so much better, have also tweaked a lot of the timeouts, etc.. because my system being so low on resources would crash the whole BBS if I had a very active user or to via web and other services trying to go also, I've trimmed a lot of the fat and so far have'nt had a crash in a good while.

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to echicken on Tue Apr 25 08:13:34 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: echicken to DesotoFireflite on Sat Apr 22 2017 11:04 pm

    You could also try appending the 'NO_HOST_LOOKUP' option to the Options setting in the [Web] section of sbbs.ini. I'm not optimistic about that making a difference, but there's a slim chance that slow or failed DNS lookups are impeding things.

    NO_HOST-lOOKUP was already there. Here are the other settings in the web section.

    AutoStart=true
    Interface=0.0.0.0
    Port=80
    TLSInterface=0.0.0.0
    TLSPort=443
    MaxClients=150
    RootDirectory=../web/root
    ErrorDirectory=error
    IndexFileNames=index.html,index.ssjs,index.xjs
    CGIDirectory=cgi-bin
    CGIExtensions=.cgi
    DefaultCGIContent=text/plain
    Authentication=Basic,Digest,TLS-PSK
    JavaScriptExtension=.ssjs
    EmbJavaScriptExtension=.bbs
    MaxInactivity=120
    MaxCgiInactivity=120
    OutbufDrainTimeout=10
    ; Sets the base name of the HTTP access log files,
    ; the current date and ".log" are appended.
    ; Set to empty string to use default value ("../data/logs/http-")
    ; Only created/appended if the HTTP_LOGGING option flag is enabled
    HttpLogFile=
    ; Supported options (separated with |):
    ;DEBUG_RX
    ;DEBUG_TX
    ;VIRTUAL_HOSTS
    ;NO_CGI
    ;ALLOW_TLS
    ;HTTP_LOGGING
    ; NO_HOST_LOOKUP
    ;NO_RECYCLE
    ;GET_IDENT
    ; NO_JAVASCRIPT
    ; MUTE
    Options=DEBUG_RX | DEBUG_TX | HTTP_LOGGING | ALLOW_TLS | NO_HOST_LOOKUP AnswerSound=
    HangupSound=
    HackAttemptSound=

    Thanks EC, hopefully I'll get this figured out.

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to KK4QBN on Tue Apr 25 08:17:54 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: KK4QBN to DesotoFireflite on Tue Apr 25 2017 12:29 am

    You could also try appending the 'NO_HOST_LOOKUP' option to the
    Options setting in the [Web] section of sbbs.ini. I'm not
    optimistic about that making a difference, but there's a slim
    chance that slow or failed DNS lookups are impeding things.

    I should have chimed in much earlier, but I had some speed issues I should'nt have had also while accessing via a mobile device, and that did the trick, I've pretty much killed looking up all hostnames on all services and it does so much better, have also tweaked a lot of the timeouts, etc.. because my system being so low on resources would crash the whole BBS if I had a very active user or to via web and other services trying to go also, I've trimmed a lot of the fat and so far have'nt had a crash in a good while.

    I had that turned off ages ago for the old web site. I'm just going to have to study the logs to see what is going on in the background. I know it's something simple. It just may be time to get a new machine, as I'm asking this one to do so much lately. Thanks Tim

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to KK4QBN on Tue Apr 25 11:11:24 2017
    On 2017 Apr 25 00:29:42, you wrote to DesotoFireflite:

    You could also try appending the 'NO_HOST_LOOKUP' option to the
    Options setting in the [Web] section of sbbs.ini. I'm not optimistic
    about that making a difference, but there's a slim chance that slow
    or failed DNS lookups are impeding things.

    I should have chimed in much earlier, but I had some speed issues I should'nt have had also while accessing via a mobile device, and that
    did the trick, I've pretty much killed looking up all hostnames on all services and it does so much better, have also tweaked a lot of the timeouts, etc.. because my system being so low on resources would
    crash the whole BBS if I had a very active user or to via web and
    other services trying to go also, I've trimmed a lot of the fat and so
    far have'nt had a crash in a good while.

    FWIW: IMPO, NO_HOST_LOOKUP should be the default... host names can be spoofed very easily if one has control over the DNS providing that host/IP linking... IPs, on the other hand, cannot be so easily spoofed...

    i found out about this spoofing years ago when i was seeing accesses on my web server's logs saying that the access was coming from 127.0.0.1... i dug in and went looking and there was no way for that machine's local host to be doing this and certainly not for some other system (eg: via a proxy on local host)...
    when i turned off host name lookups, yes, everything speeded up... then i was also able to perform manual nslookups on some IPs and see that they were returning 127.0.0.1 instead of a ""real"" host name... all of those doing this were attempting to hack the system in some way... they were quite easily blocked now that the IP was known...

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to echicken on Sun Apr 30 15:54:24 2017
    I would like to have a seperate htmlterm on my site to let users call my second system. I know how to make the page, as I've done that, and I have a second copy of htmlterm operational, but I don't know how to make it call port 24 to call my other system. Port 23 works great, but 24 will just call the other system, and it hangs up immediatly. Is there a way I can do this successfully. To be honest, I don't know enough about proxies to make this happen, but I don't want to use Ricks Proxies, as I'd rather host it myself. Is there a way to do this that you know off. Thanks in advance. If you need more info, let me know.

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to DesotoFireflite on Mon May 1 10:48:51 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: DesotoFireflite to echicken on Sun Apr 30 2017 15:54:24

    I would like to have a seperate htmlterm on my site to let users call my second system. I know how to make the page, as I've done that, and I have a second copy of htmlterm operational, but I don't know how to make it call port 24 to call my other system. Port 23 works great, but 24 will

    At the moment I don't have any easy way for you to do this. I'll work something out to make it possible.

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to echicken on Mon May 1 17:10:41 2017
    Re: ECWebV4
    By: echicken to DesotoFireflite on Mon May 01 2017 10:48 am

    I would like to have a seperate htmlterm on my site to let users
    call my second system. I know how to make the page, as I've done
    that, and I have a second copy of htmlterm operational, but I don't
    know how to make it call port 24 to call my other system. Port 23
    works great, but 24 will

    At the moment I don't have any easy way for you to do this. I'll work something out to make it possible.

    Thank you so much, I appreciate it very much.

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  • From Deepend@VERT/RDBBS to echicken on Thu Jun 1 23:39:29 2017
    Hello, I have an issue where if I get an email or message from anyone I cannot hit reply and make the message go anywhere. It appears to not exist after I press send. Doesn't show up in sent like all other directly sent messages and the person never gets them. Makes sense why my users think I'm ignoring them.. Oops.

    If its been fixed already please let me know where I can find that information.

    Thanks
    Mike

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