Would be interesting to see SyncTERM integrated into chrome as an NaCl app/extension...

https://developers.google.com/native-client/community/porting/SDLgames

Looks like SDL 2D video and audio are supported.

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Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Tracker1 to All on Mon Mar 11 2013 17:12:02

Would be interesting to see SyncTERM integrated into chrome as an NaCl app/extension...

Why, when something like fTelnet is available?

Nightfox

Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Mon Mar 11 2013 08:11 pm

Would be interesting to see SyncTERM integrated into chrome as an
NaCl app/extension...

Why, when something like fTelnet is available?

Seeing as though fTelnet supports both flash and html5, I'd have to agree there. :)

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Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Mon Mar 11 2013 08:11 pm

Would be interesting to see SyncTERM integrated into chrome as an
NaCl app/extension...

Why, when something like fTelnet is available?

God I love fTelnet, Nice to be able to easily drop a Telnet connection into a facebook page, or wherever else you choose.

Program freaking rocks.
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Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Mon Mar 11 2013 08:11 pm

Would be interesting to see SyncTERM integrated into chrome as an
NaCl app/extension...

Why, when something like fTelnet is available?

Seeing as though fTelnet supports both flash and html5, I'd have to agree there. :)

No file transfers for one. The html5 version lacks some functionality, and I doubt flash will be around in the next 5 years, as html5 becomes more
standard.

I'd say the biggest is no file transfers. That comes in more handy for those BBSes that don't have a web frontend or ftp server.

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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Fireball to Access Denied on Wed Mar 13 2013 01:28:50

Why, when something like fTelnet is available?

No file transfers for one. The html5 version lacks some functionality, and I doubt flash will be around in the next 5 years, as html5 becomes more standard.

fTelnet supports file transfers using Ymodem-G.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Fireball to Access Denied on Wed Mar 13 2013 01:28 am

Seeing as though fTelnet supports both flash and html5, I'd have to
agree there. :)

No file transfers for one. The html5 version lacks some functionality, and I doubt flash will be around in the next 5 years, as html5 becomes more standard.

I guess that all depends on how much you actually download from BBSs. I don't even remember the last time I've done it, to be honest. Most things BBS
related have been made available on the web nowadays. And downloading at 2mb/s is a lot better than 50k/s from an average BBS. :)

What functionality does the html5 version (htmlterm) lack?

Regards,
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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Access Denied to Fireball on Wed Mar 13 2013 17:28:45

I guess that all depends on how much you actually download from BBSs. I don't even remember the last time I've done it, to be honest. Most things BBS related have been made available on the web nowadays. And downloading at 2mb/s is a lot better than 50k/s from an average BBS. :)

I still download BBS doors and utilities from BBSs from time to time. I think BBSs have the best collections of those kinds of things - particularly older doors, which might not be easily found on web sites.

What functionality does the html5 version (htmlterm) lack?

Their web site doesn't make it clear what the HTML5 version lacks; they only say that it lacks some features. From their web site:
"Since HTML5 is a moving target it has not been kept as up to date as fTelnet, and HtmlTerm is now lacking some features fTelnet possesses, but it still works quite well."

Nightfox

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And downloading at 2mb/s is a lot better than 50k/s from an
average BBS. :)

of course, that depends on the site's connection and setup... it is easy enough
to rate limit outbound traffic based on the content or the port being used... my apache server also has a module that i use to prevent those downloader tools
from pulling a bunch of sections of one file all at once in an attempt to supposedly pull it in faster...

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What functionality does the html5 version (htmlterm) lack?

Been quite awhile since I looked at HtmlTerm, but a few of the more important features that I know haven't made their way to HtmlTerm yet would be:

- RIP
- File transfer
- Scrollback buffer
- Virtual keyboard with extended keys (for tablets)

I hope to implement those one day, but been sidetracked by other projects (and laziness!)

Rick

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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Nightfox to Access Denied on Wed Mar 13 2013 07:42 pm

I still download BBS doors and utilities from BBSs from time to time. I think BBSs have the best collections of those kinds of things - particularly older doors, which might not be easily found on web sites.

Every so often here. Otherwise there's a few sites on the web that offer most doors and utilities.

What functionality does the html5 version (htmlterm) lack?

Their web site doesn't make it clear what the HTML5 version lacks; they only say that it lacks some features. From their web site:
"Since HTML5 is a moving target it has not been kept as up to date as fTelnet, and HtmlTerm is now lacking some features fTelnet possesses, but it still works quite well."

Nice! Keeping us guessing. lol

Regards,
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Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: mark lewis to Access Denied on Thu Mar 14 2013 03:13 pm

And downloading at 2mb/s is a lot better than 50k/s from an
average BBS. :)

of course, that depends on the site's connection and setup... it is easy enough to rate limit outbound traffic based on the content or the port being used... my apache server also has a module that i use to prevent those downloader tools from pulling a bunch of sections of one file all at once in an attempt to supposedly pull it in faster...

Mark, [most] USA based residential internet connections don't offer more than 1MB upload. That will get you about 80k/s. Some people pay more for higher speeds, but.. I was only talking average. If you serve your BBS on a VPS with unlimited banwith, we may have a different story -- but then again, what can most telnet clients handle?

Either way, It's usually faster to download it from the web.

Regards,
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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Ree to Access Denied on Fri Mar 15 2013 02:10 pm

What functionality does the html5 version (htmlterm) lack?

Been quite awhile since I looked at HtmlTerm, but a few of the more important features that I know haven't made their way to HtmlTerm yet would be:

- RIP

Don't care, most of us don't use that these days. Actually, I never did! :)

- File transfer

Again, not a big deal. I can get files a lot faster elsewhere. I doubt if I would ever use that feature.

- Scrollback buffer

Now that would be nice. In any terminal client, of course.

- Virtual keyboard with extended keys (for tablets)

I have a tablet, but don't use it for BBSing, so again, doesn't bother me a bit. :)

I hope to implement those one day, but been sidetracked by other projects (and laziness!)

Pfft. The fact that you're still doing something for this small community is amazing. Keep up the good work man.

Regards,
Nick


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Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Tue Mar 12 2013 03:45 pm

God I love fTelnet, Nice to be able to easily drop a Telnet connection into a facebook page, or wherever else you choose.

Program freaking rocks.

yes, rick is a good programmer and we are very lucky that he still devotes his interests to the bbs community.

i keep meaning to toss him some money but shit keeps coming up. i'll do it when i get my bonus.


al lawrence is another guy that should be getting donations.
he opened up all his doors as donationware and it takes him a lot of time
to manually generate codes for everyone.
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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Fireball to Access Denied on Wed Mar 13 2013 01:28 am

Seeing as though fTelnet supports both flash and html5, I'd have to
agree there. :)

No file transfers for one. The html5 version lacks some functionality, and
I doubt flash will be around in the next 5 years, as html5 becomes more standard.

well filetransfers arent that important when there are better ways to send and receive files.

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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Ree to Access Denied on Fri Mar 15 2013 02:10 pm

Been quite awhile since I looked at HtmlTerm, but a few of the more important features that I know haven't made their way to HtmlTerm yet would be:

- RIP
- File transfer
- Scrollback buffer
- Virtual keyboard with extended keys (for tablets)

I hope to implement those one day, but been sidetracked by other projects (and laziness!)

i would just do the keyboard and call it done.
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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Ree to Access Denied on Fri Mar 15 2013 14:10:42

important features that I know haven't made their way to HtmlTerm yet would be:

- RIP
- File transfer
- Scrollback buffer
- Virtual keyboard with extended keys (for tablets)

fTelnet can do file transfers (using the Ymodem-G protocol). Is that one of the features that HtmlTerm lacks?

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And downloading at 2mb/s is a lot better than 50k/s from an
average BBS. :)

of course, that depends on the site's connection and setup... it
is easy enough to rate limit outbound traffic based on the content
or the port being used... my apache server also has a module that
i use to prevent those downloader tools from pulling a bunch of
sections of one file all at once in an attempt to supposedly pull
it in faster...

Mark, [most] USA based residential internet connections don't offer
more than 1MB upload.

i wasn't limiting my response to only residential connections... besides, cable
easily goes faster than that... i was just giving someone support for their firewall installation over on those support forums and his connection is 20M up
with 120M down using a DOCSIS cable modem thing...

That will get you about 80k/s. Some people pay more for higher
speeds, but.. I was only talking average. If you serve your BBS on
a VPS with unlimited banwith, we may have a different story --

"VPS"?? what's that and why would anyone need one?

but then again, what can most telnet clients handle?

they can handle whatever the traffic flows at... there is no "too fast" in internet technology... especially not when the system buffers things automatically ;)

Either way, It's usually faster to download it from the web.

yes... depending on the configuration of the site :LOL:

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By: mark lewis to Access Denied on Sat Mar 16 2013 01:32 pm

of course, that depends on the site's connection and setup... it
is easy enough to rate limit outbound traffic based on the content
or the port being used... my apache server also has a module that
i use to prevent those downloader tools from pulling a bunch of
sections of one file all at once in an attempt to supposedly pull
it in faster...

Most BBS sysops don't rate limit their bandwith.

i wasn't limiting my response to only residential connections... besides, cable easily goes faster than that... i was just giving someone support for their firewall installation over on those support forums and his connection is 20M up with 120M down using a DOCSIS cable modem thing...

I was limiting my response to mostly residential, since that is where /most/ BBSs run from.

Cable can go faster than that, yes. But most residential customers only see a
a set speed by the ISP. I doubt your DOCSIS cable modem guy had those speeds at his house (if in the USA, of course).

"VPS"?? what's that and why would anyone need one?

Virtual Private Server. Basically a cheap hosting alternative that provides you with a VM of certain OSes to choose from.

Some people can't or don't want to host servers from their home computers. But VPSs and hosting sites usually come with higher bandwith than most residential internet speeds.

they can handle whatever the traffic flows at... there is no "too fast" in
internet technology... especially not when the system buffers things automatically ;)

Sure there is. Too fast is where the ISP draws the line. They limit bandwith and make you pay out the ass for any more than what they limit you to.

Regards,
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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Fireball to Access Denied on Wed Mar 13 2013 01:28 am

Seeing as though fTelnet supports both flash and html5, I'd have to agree there. :)

No file transfers for one. The html5 version lacks some functionality, and I doubt flash will be around in the next 5 years, as html5 becomes more standard.

well filetransfers arent that important when there are better ways to send and receive files.

That's a matter of opinion, and ours seem to differ. Besides, what about those who don't care to put up an ftp server or put their files on a web server?

if you have any bugs to report or feature requests, please contact rick.

I know, I'll be sure to let him know if I find anything.

i'm glad flash is going bye bye. pisses me off how adobe has conducted themselves over the years in regards to security and availability to other oses. ---

Yeah, I'm glad it's going away as well. When HTML5 is fully supported on more browsers, then maybe we'll see more transition from flash to it.


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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Fireball to Mro on Sun Mar 17 2013 01:15:07

Yeah, I'm glad it's going away as well. When HTML5 is fully supported on more browsers, then maybe we'll see more transition from flash to it.

I thought the popular browsers all supported HTML5 by now, but apparently they still don't support it 100%. I found this site, which tells you how well your browser supports HTML5:
http://html5test.com/
Trying that out just now, I see Google Chrome 25 scores 463/500 (+13 "bonus" points), Firefox 19.0.2 scores 393/500 (+10 "bonus" points), and IE 10 scores 320/500.

Nightfox

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fTelnet can do file transfers (using the Ymodem-G protocol). Is that one
of the features that HtmlTerm lacks?

Yep. The very first version of HtmlTerm actually supported uploading as a proof-of-concept, but it was a hastily thrown together version that I
scrapped.
So I know it's doable, just haven't gotten around to re-implementing it in
the current version of HtmlTerm.

Downloads are a different story though. CanIUse.com isn't loading for me
right now, but last I checked I think only one of the major browsers supported FileWriter (probably Chrome). So that means if I implement downloading, there won't be a way for the user to actually save what was downloaded!

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I thought the popular browsers all supported HTML5 by now, but apparently they still don't support it 100%. I found this site, which tells you how well your browser supports HTML5:
http://html5test.com/
Trying that out just now, I see Google Chrome 25 scores 463/500 (+13
"bonus" points), Firefox 19.0.2 scores 393/500 (+10 "bonus" points), and IE 10 scores 320/500.

I think the major features are fairly widely supported now, but some of them are still poorly supported (like FileWriter).

CanIUse.com had a nice list of features, and tracked when support for each feature was added to the various browsers. It seems to be down right now, I hope not for good because it was quite a useful reference!

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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Nightfox to Ree on Sat Mar 16 2013 11:39 am

Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Ree to Access Denied on Fri Mar 15 2013 14:10:42

important features that I know haven't made their way to HtmlTerm
yet would be:

- RIP

Got a gallery of RIP art you're just dying to show off? Can't remember the last time I actually had a terminal with RIP support and then found a board with RIP graphics. I think a couple of my online games support RIP (LORD?)

- File transfer

Works, press PgDn to download using Ymodem-G. PgUp to send.

- Scrollback buffer

? Dunno.

- Virtual keyboard with extended keys (for tablets)

Which keys are you lacking? I guess PgUp/PgDn, but can you download to iPad's filespace from the web browser?

fTelnet can do file transfers (using the Ymodem-G protocol). Is that one of the features that HtmlTerm lacks?

Worked fine for me the other day, but I actually had to try it to verify it worked.
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- RIP

Got a gallery of RIP art you're just dying to show off? Can't remember the last time I actually had a terminal with RIP support and then found a board with RIP graphics. I think a couple of my online games support RIP (LORD?)

Actually, I do! I put the 16c ANSI/RIP collection on my demo system. And
yes, LORD supports RIP. A couple others did as well, although I think LORD
was the only one I ever played with RIP enabled (and it's the only one I test fTelnet against).

- File transfer

Works, press PgDn to download using Ymodem-G. PgUp to send.

The list I wrote is highlighting the differences between fTelnet and HtmlTerm.
So yes in fTelnet you can transfer using YModem-G, but HtmlTerm does not currently support file transfers.

- Scrollback buffer

? Dunno.

CTRL+UP ARROW in fTelnet, not available in HtmlTerm.

- Virtual keyboard with extended keys (for tablets)

Which keys are you lacking? I guess PgUp/PgDn, but can you download to iPad's filespace from the web browser?

Arrow keys are what I hear about the most. CTRL combinations are probably second (ie CTRL+S will save in many message editors -- there's usually an alternative, but if you're used to using CTRL+S you may not even know what the alternative is), and Function keys a distant third.

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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Mon Mar 18 2013 18:23:48

- RIP

Got a gallery of RIP art you're just dying to show off? Can't

Why are you replying to me when you're quoting Ree?

Nightfox

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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Tue Mar 19 2013 07:54 am

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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Mon Mar 18 2013 18:23:48

- RIP

Got a gallery of RIP art you're just dying to show off? Can't

Why are you replying to me when you're quoting Ree?

Nightfox

I have rip in my pants

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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Corey to Nightfox on Tue Mar 19 2013 08:32:02

I have rip in my pants

I wouldn't mind trying to rip the space-time continuum.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Nightfox to Corey on Tue Mar 19 2013 06:54 pm

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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Corey to Nightfox on Tue Mar 19 2013 08:32:02

I have rip in my pants

I wouldn't mind trying to rip the space-time continuum.

Nightfox

what if you colapse into yourself?

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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Tue Mar 19 2013 07:54 am

- RIP

Nightfox
Why are you replying to me when you're quoting Ree?

What?
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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Corey to Nightfox on Tue Mar 19 2013 22:06:24

I wouldn't mind trying to rip the space-time continuum.

what if you colapse into yourself?

Then I'll have nothing to worry about anymore.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: SyncTERM as Chrome/NaCl plugin
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Wed Mar 20 2013 08:17:40

Why are you replying to me when you're quoting Ree?

What?

In an earlier message in this thread, you quoted a bunch of what Ree wrote but your message was directed to me. You also quoted a couple of my lines, but most of what you quoted was written by Ree. If you want to reply to what someone says, it's generally best to direct your message to that person.

Nightfox

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