• Clip on QRM Probe

    From G8MNY@4:902/6 to WW on Mon Jan 13 07:00:52 2025


    By G8MNY (Updated Nov 19)
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    Wanting to find which lead on a devices like TV & STB set up, has the most RFI current in it, I made a simple current probe from a clip in ferrite choke. It can be used with a Rx or spectrum analyser. And for Tx RF work too, finding if balanced line is balanced, coax line is really RF free etc.

    THE CURRENT PICK UP
    /~~~~\
    QRM cable Hinge / /~~\ \ Locking
    ================= ùÃÄ´ ÃÄ´û Catch
    :::::-¿screen Rx_________\ \__/ /
    10 ())))_³____ Coax~~~~~~~~\\±±±±/
    turnsÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ50ê Coax Heat Glue^ Coil

    The clip on ferrite is about 2cm dia with a single locking catch, the catch guard I cut off making it easy to unclip. I removed 1 of the ferrite halves from the hinged plastic casing by levering a plastic protrusion out of the way. Then using some very fine enamelled wire I wound 10 turns on it, made a hole in the case, passed the wire ends through it, & then put back the ferrite against the hidden spring inside the case until locked in place. (depends on make)

    I glued a thin coax to the case & connected the coil, after DC & RF testing, I soldered some aluminium foil (or copper foil if you have no aluminium solder) to the coax outer & heat glue a narrow strip of it through the centre hole shielding the coil 1/2 a turn from the QRM cable, do not short the search coil with a full turn of screening! Then I put a layer of thin tape (parcel tape) over this to protect the coil.

    I have seen other design use a cloths peg to house the 2 ferrite cores.

    10 turns was used to give some calibration, & not put on too much wire that the frequency response will be affected. With 50ê load only 0.5ê is effectively inserted in QRM line.

    0.5ê 1T
    1A============
    :::::10T
    ())))_____100mA
    ³_________50 ohm = 0.5W = 5V = 74dBmV = 134dBuV


    WHERE TO TEST
    The clip probe will show the highest current point along a cable & the worst cable in a set up (where a ferrite choke core will be most effective!)

    Here is a typical TV set up...

    SCART SCART
    ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ RGB ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ RGB ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ \|/UHF
    ³ TV ÃðÄÄÄÄÄÄÄð´ D.V.D. ÃðÄÄÄÄÄð´ S.T.B. ÃðÄÄÄÄÄÙAerial
    ³ DISPLAY ÃðÄ¿ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÂÄÙ ÀÄÂÄÄÄÄÄÄÂÄÙ
    ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÙ ³ ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ÀðÄMains ³UHF DC³ ÚÄÄÄÄ¿
    MainsÄÄÄÄðÙ ÀÄð´ V.C.R. ÃðÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄðÙ ÀðÄÄÄÄÄÄÄð´Plugà Mains
    ÀÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÄÙ ³PSU ³
    MainsÄÄÄÄðÙ ðtest points ~~~~

    The clip probe will show which of these 14 places may the best place for a choke. And you can even check an added choke is having some effect..

    QRM Test
    ==========ððð=ð====
    SOURCE choke³
    ÀÄÄRx

    As single clip on choke is not very effective (5dB!). More of them or a few turns on one is much better. You will also soon know if you have an AF "steel tape core" & not an RF ferrite core as it will have little effect at RF!

    SPECTRUM
    This is typical..

    CRT TV SMPSU PC
    ³ ³º| ³ ³ ³
    ³± ³ººº| ³ ³ ³ ³ ³
    ³±± ³ººººº| ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³±±±==.._ݳ______±_ ³ººººººº|:. ³ ³ ³ ³ ³
    15kHz 4,4 6 38MHz ÀÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÁÄÄÄÄ ÀÄÄÁÄÄÁÄÄÁÄÄÄÁÄ
    lines 45kHz 50Hz FM hummy lines Clock lines

    Now as most things have SMPSU & PC architecture in them, so combinations occur.

    Even a USB keyboards show up like this...
    ³
    ³ ººº ºººº
    ³ ºººººººººººººº
    ³ ºººººººººººººººº
    ÀÄÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÄÄ
    5 10 15 20 25 MHz

    TIPS
    Some devices may put out a lot of RF current on some leads & not on others!

    Not all these currents lead to radiation that affects ham bands!

    It often depends on the wiring & wire aerials at that location. E.g. a few uA of current into a 1/4 wave long TV aerial lead, may cause havoc, but into a small loop of wires around the TV none at all.

    UHF \³/ 10m
    1/4 WAVE TV ³ SMALL
    VERTICAL ANT ³ 37uW EQUIPMENT 0pW
    AERIAL ³ ERP on O R LOOP ANT ERP on
    ³ 40m __ 40m but
    ³ _³ ³ high
    QRMÄðÄÄÄÙZ=37 ohm QRMÄðÄÄÙ on 6m
    1mA 1mA


    See also Tech Bul "Reducing Electronic RF QRM", "Stopping HF Tx/Rx SMPSU QRM" & "Analyser SWIRES RESEARCH SA87".


    Why don't U send an interesting bul?

    73 de John G8MNY @ GB7CIP


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