• 23cm ATV Repeater GB3HV System

    From G8MNY@4:902/6 to WW on Wed Dec 11 05:58:01 2024

    To : ATV@WW

    By G8MNY (Updated Jun 12)
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    Here is a run down of what the old closed down repeater was like (site rental rocketed). A new one exists as a much simplified Rx only internet streaming device near Reading.

    The old one was very complex repeater, it was sited on the hill @ High Wycombe IO91OO, that has grown & grown over many years, 1985 proposed 1987 on air.

    It had ATV Rx on 3 bands, 2 with intercarrier sound & 1 band with a digital Rx. It also has 2 comms Rx channels as well. All of these control the repeater or output on the Analogue or Digital ATV Tx. As well as RF it had an expensive internet side with 1 way video steaming @ www.gb3hv.com (http::gb3vh.camstreams.com) where a few broadband visitors could see & hear live ATV.

    RX SIDE
    4 Switched 90ø
    24cm Aerials @ 20m
    \³/ ___ \³/ _______
    ÀÄ´PreÃÄÙ __________³DigitalÃÄ>Rx Dig Vid
    ÀÄÂÄÙ ___ ____ ³ ³24cm RxÃÄ>Rx Dig AF
    mast ÀÄÄÄÄÄ´amp³_³Filt³_ÚÁ¿splitter ³_______ÃÄ>Rx Dig ____________
    ÚÄÄÄÄÄ´___³ ³____³ ÀÂÙ _________ ³WEAK SIGNAL ³ \³/ÚÄÁÄ¿\³/ 5 pole ³__³Narrow ÃÄ>24 AF Rx ³PAL TIMEBASE³ Good
    ÀÄ´___ÃÄÙ ________ ³Analog RxÃÄÄÄÂÄÄÄ>ÄÄÄÄo ³RESTORER & ÃÄÄ>Analog Preamp³ ³LOGIC AEÃ>VIC20 ~~~~~~~~~ ÚÄÄÁÄÄÄÄ¿ Úo <ÄÄ´CONDITIONER ³ Rx Vid
    DC ÀÄÄÄ´selectorÃÄÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÄÄ<ÄÄÄÄÄÄ´RxSyncs³ ³ o ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~~ À<Rx Dig ~~~~~~~ ³ ³ DTMF
    13cm Yagi @19m ______ ³ ³ Controlled
    \³/ ___ ³ 13cmsÃÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ>ÄÄÙ ³ Switch
    ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ´PreÃÄ´ATV RxÃÄ>13cms RX AF ³
    70cm Yagi @19m ~~~ ~~~~~~______ ³
    \³/ Cam Pan ___ ³ 70cm ÃÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ>ÄÄÄÄÙ
    ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ´PreÃÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ´ATV Rx³ _______ _______ _____
    2m & 70cm ~~~____ ~~~~~~ ³Comms ³ 24 AF Rx>´DTMF ³_³MENU ³ðOptions
    \³/ Colinear ³DuplÃÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ´70cm RxÃÄÂÄÄÄ>ÄÄÄÄ´Decoder³ ³LOGIC³ð
    ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ´exerÿ ___________ ~~~~~~~ À>70cm AF ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~
    @ 19m ~~~~ À´Comms 2m RxÃÄ>2m AF
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    The four 24cm (6 loop & reflector) aerials are searched one at a time for the best picture by measuring the picture noise during the frame sync, this took several seconds if the radar is strong, as frame lock can be difficult. If you selected all 4 aerials or use an omni Rx aerial you are RF worse off by 6dB S/N + reflections!

    The 1248MHz FM ATV Rx, had a radar video clipper in it & the video feeds a PAL conditioner that can handle very weak signals of just a few dB S/N. Software in the controlling old VIC20 also allows for DX signals by holding in repeat mode for up to 30 seconds if the signal is persistantly fading.
    Milton keynes
    GB3TG 10GHz
    LUTON / GB3AD 23cm
    GB3TV 23cms QRP
    |
    GB3BH 13cms
    / GB3EN 23cms Isle of Sheppy
    NEWBURY GB3HV 23cm GB3KT 23cms
    _ _ .- -'~~
    GB3FT 13cm
    (test only) L O N D O N


    GB3AT 23cm
    SOUTHAMPTON GB3VR 23cm GB3VX 23cm
    BRIGHTON

    The 13cm Rx system pointed at GB3BH, that can see 23cms ATV repeater GB3TV etc. So manually controlled forward linking was possible, but active onward link control was not possible.

    The 2m & 70cm comms Rx could both be QSYed a few channels from DTMF menu.
    ____________________
    DTMF > Keyboard wires >Ä´ VIC20 ÃÄ>Vic Vid
    Joystick input (Pmeter)>Ä´ Computer ÃÄ>Vic AF
    ÀÂÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÂÂÙ
    Parallel I/F VCR TX Rx Test AE
    Timeout Sync card info

    The very old but highly reliable VIC20 runs things (PCs crash, VIC 20 not!), & provides a carousel of 12 pages when in beacon mode, including control of the seperate the testcard generator. The DTMF menus were all in hardware & menus seen were from the testcard generator multiple EPROM system. DTMF menu options have sound confirmation was by G8MNY's voice recorded in EPROMs.

    An old V2000 format VCR had been wire up to record the 1st 10 mins of ATV activity, unless it is a SUNDAY RSGB news time, when the 10 min limit was suppressed.

    All video sources were DTMF controlled from hardware menus. The video switcher had all inputs DC clamped so there was no DC thumps & Tx PLL off lock when switching sources.

    VIDEO SOURCES MATCHING AF1 SOUND SOURCE AF2
    VIC20 Computer Äo o- VIC20 ID + Rx Sync Tones 2m AF
    Test card gen Äo <ÄÄTxÄÄ> o- VIC20 ID + Rx Sync Tones 2m AF
    Analog Rx (23) Äo o- VIC20 ID + 24 AF Rx 2m AF
    " " (13BH) -o o- VIC20 ID + 13 AF Rx 2m AF
    " " (13FT) -o o- " " " " " " "
    " " (70) -o o- VIC20 ID + 70cm AF 2m AF
    Digital 23cm Rx -o o- VIC20 ID + Dig Rx AF 2m AF
    V2000 VCR Replay -o o- VIC20 ID + VCR AF 2m AF
    Shack Camera -o o- VIC20 ID + Shack Mic 2m AF
    Security " " -o o- VIC20 BERP + Shack Mic Shack Mic
    Mast Camera @ 20m -o o- VIC20 ID + 70cm AF 2m AF
    Internet Video PC -o o- VIC20 ID + Internet PC AF 2m AF

    TX SIDE
    This was on 1308MHz which was the only frequency available 27km away fro
    London Heathrow 530MW ERP 4 channel Radar (Primary User).

    4 90ø 23cms
    Aerials @ 22m
    \³/ \³/ ______ ___ 1308 _____ 70 ___ PQ _____
    ÀÄÄ[]Ä´FilterôPA1ÿ ______ MHz Ú´XvertÃÄÄÄ´ModÆÍ͵MPEG ÃÄ<AF1
    ~~~~~~ ~~~ÚÁ¿_³Driver³Digital oÙ ~~~~~ MHz~~~ ³CODERÃÄ<AF2
    \³/ \³/ ______ ___ÀÂÙ ³ PA ÃÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ/o¿³~~~~~ÃÄ<AF1 ³_____ÿ ______
    ÀÄÄ[]Ä´FilterôPA2ÃÙ ~~~~~~ Analog À´FM TxÃÄ<AF2 ________ ôT.B.C.Ã<VID
    mast ~~~~~~ ~~~ DTMF MENU ³_____ÃÄÄÄ<ÄÄ´TELETEXTÃÄ´ ~~~~~~ splitters ________ ~~~~~~~~ ³
    Broadband link <Ä´InternetÃÄÄ<ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ
    ³ PC ÃÄ<AF1&2
    ~~~~~~~~
    Two FET PAs were used, & were linear enough to handle QPSK digital Tx at only
    a couple of dB down on the satuated FM output. As the MPEG coder can only encode full spec video a Time Base Corrector is used to clean up all the Tx sources to full TV spec. The encoder generates P & Q data streams that drove the 70MHz QPSK modulator, its output was transverted to 1308MHz. As the main mode is FM, users had to DTMF to digital mode, which lasts until 1 or 2 of 15 min testcard idents were done.

    Only the analog Tx system could handle the 7Mb/s 100 page Teletext signal so that is inserted into that path only. Two sound carriers were used, a HiFi one @ 6MHz @ -17dBc & a comms quality one @ 5.5MHz @ -20dBc (not Sat Rx freq). As there was potential with a 1308MHz FM Tx with 6MHz sub-carrier to generate significant -12MHz (1296MHz) noise, a cleaver 2nd harmonic subcarrier (both for 5.5 & 6MHz) phasing system is introduced to null out much of the 1296MHz products, this was in addition to the 3 pole Tx filters.
    ________ __________
    RF /_³ UHF FM ³_______________________ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ´ 6MHz Mod ÃÄ<AF1 Buffer\ ³Modultor³ ³ _³____________ ³ ___________ ³ ~~~~~~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~~ DC^ ³Video Filter &³ Ã<Ä´12MHz PhaseÃÄÙ
    from PLL ³ Pre emphisis ³ ³ ~~~~~~~~~~~ __________
    ~³~~~~~~~~~~~~ ÃÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ´5.5MHz ModÃÄ<AF2
    À<Video ³ ___________ ³ ~~~~~~~~~~
    À<Ä´11MHz PhaseÃÄÙ
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
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    73 De John, G8MNY @ GB7CIP

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